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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4275 on: February 14, 2018, 06:47:31 PM »
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4276 on: February 14, 2018, 06:49:39 PM »
John Doug and I  (reasonable independent thinkers) are trying to ponder why people have killed each other for the entire history of human beings being a thing. And why suddenly they are able to do it in large (some say “mass”) numbers so easily.


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The question is why it is becoming epidemic in schools. Number of casualties aside, there are more incidents of kids shooting kids at school.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4277 on: February 14, 2018, 06:57:08 PM »
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

 


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4278 on: February 14, 2018, 06:59:38 PM »
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4279 on: February 14, 2018, 07:01:15 PM »
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4280 on: February 14, 2018, 07:03:10 PM »
John Doug and I  (reasonable independent thinkers) are trying to ponder why people have killed each other for the entire history of human beings being a thing. And why suddenly they are able to do it in large (some say “mass”) numbers so easily.


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The question is why it is becoming epidemic in schools. Number of casualties aside, there are more incidents of kids shooting kids at school.

An adult shot these kids today
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4281 on: February 14, 2018, 07:03:29 PM »
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4282 on: February 14, 2018, 07:04:18 PM »
It’s incredible that this keeps happening after all that we’ve done to try to curtail it.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4284 on: February 14, 2018, 07:05:39 PM »
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

Shooting in the school, or "shooting up the school" as in the whole school?


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4285 on: February 14, 2018, 07:05:52 PM »
It’s incredible that this keeps happening after all that we’ve done to try to curtail it.


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I mean what else could we even try?

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4286 on: February 14, 2018, 07:09:17 PM »
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

Not much profit potential in that sort of endeavor.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4287 on: February 14, 2018, 07:09:17 PM »
Repeating firearms have been available for over a century in this country.   For decades all you had to do was walk into a gun store and buy one, no questions asked. 

So, why in the last twenty years are we seeing more and more mass shootings? 



People have been shooting up schools since the 1700’s.

Got a link on that friend?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

Shooting in the school, or "shooting up the school" as in the whole school?



I dunno bud, I think you are pretty reasonable on this issue and I’m not sure what you are driving at here. 
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4288 on: February 14, 2018, 07:15:35 PM »
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

What private entites are there to donate money towards gun research? I would assume Gun Control organizations. The Brady Campaign had a $3 million budget in 2012, and I would think they're one of the largest. That doesn't seem like a lot of coin to go around.

I believe gun violence research could use some federal infusion.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4289 on: February 14, 2018, 07:23:07 PM »
I think a great plan is to simply point fingers at guns, and not analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression.

This coming from a person who advocates that certain weapons be banned, certain types of ammo be banned, for mandatory waiting periods for the purchase of certain types of weapons, and the same rules be applicable to gun shows, and person-to-person sale of certain kinds of weapons.

That would be great except the government won't let the CDC research gun violence because the NRA has congress held hostage on the issue. Pass legislation permitting goverment funding for research on gun violence and they pull their donations to sitting members of congress.

Bucket, can you place a number of on the amount of non government funded research that is done at America's top 200 Research Universities?  I.E. Research funded by university endowments, private trusts and the like?

I'll give a start.  In FY 2017 K-State spent nearly $200 million on research.   Now, I'll grant you a huge chunk of that was the Federal Gov.   But Just a quick glance indicates that 3-4-5-6 million (minimum) was funded by all kinds of non government entities.   Now extrapolate that over the fact that the K-State is probably pushing #200 in terms overall research expenditures.   So once you peel it back hundreds of millions of dollars of research funding at the Top 200 comes from non Federal agencies.   Nobody in that giant pie willing to fund research on gun violence??

What private entites are there to donate money towards gun research? I would assume Gun Control organizations. The Brady Campaign had a $3 million budget in 2012, and I would think they're one of the largest. That doesn't seem like a lot of coin to go around.

I believe gun violence research could use some federal infusion.

Friend, just look at the list of extramural funding sources at any major research university.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4290 on: February 14, 2018, 07:41:22 PM »
Dax, you said we need to, "analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression." I pointed to government funded research which is nil. Do you have any suggestions?

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4291 on: February 14, 2018, 07:49:48 PM »
Bring back (Christian) prayer in school, and drop teaching evilution, boom problem solved.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4292 on: February 14, 2018, 07:53:39 PM »
Dax, you said we need to, "analyze the root cause of this kind of aggression." I pointed to government funded research which is nil. Do you have any suggestions?

I think I gave you plenty.   But come on man, in terms of research dollars there's hundreds of millions available out that that isn't tied to the Federal Government.

I suspect if you were to cobble together every non-profit with a six figure person who was on a round table on NPR today you could find millions.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4293 on: February 14, 2018, 08:01:35 PM »
Before we talk about guns, we have to cure mental health and man's insatiable desire for violence.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4294 on: February 14, 2018, 08:02:50 PM »
It’s not ever going to stop, is it?

Everyone with kids just has to hope the odds go their way everyday they go off to school

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4295 on: February 14, 2018, 08:03:05 PM »
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

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That number is incredibly misleading.  Everytown defines a school shooting as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds".  This includes many instances where a gun was fired but no one was injured.  It also includes suicides and solo confrontations like the one at Wake Forest, where a football player was killed during an argument at a sorority house on campus.

The true number is closer to 3.  Obviously that is 3 too many.



https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5837/

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4296 on: February 14, 2018, 08:49:58 PM »
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

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That number is incredibly misleading.  Everytown defines a school shooting as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds".  This includes many instances where a gun was fired but no one was injured.  It also includes suicides and solo confrontations like the one at Wake Forest, where a football player was killed during an argument at a sorority house on campus.

The true number is closer to 3.  Obviously that is 3 too many.



https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/5837/

I don't see why it is misleading since the point was about comparison.  It's no less appalling if it had said 3 school shootings in the last 18 years everywhere else vs. 3 in the last 35 days in the U.S.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4297 on: February 14, 2018, 08:52:45 PM »
If you have kids just rest assured that people acknowledge the problem and are taking action

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4298 on: February 14, 2018, 09:15:36 PM »
Did you know that the AR in AR-15 doesn't mean assault rifle?
 
really makes you think.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #4299 on: February 14, 2018, 09:36:36 PM »
Did you know that the AR in AR-15 doesn't mean assault rifle?
 
really makes you think.
I know that the AK in AK-47 stands for Andrei Kirilenko.


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