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Quote from: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:16:20 AMi did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list. auto and semiauto shotguns. not autos, semiautos and shotguns.
i did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list.
Quote from: sys on August 27, 2015, 10:41:14 AMQuote from: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:16:20 AMi did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list. auto and semiauto shotguns. not autos, semiautos and shotguns.ah. thanks sys. hey puni how about we throw another shotgun on the barbie? (because we totally could if we were australian)
I want to expand on my swipe at Bernie Sanders. I actually don't blame conservatives for our gun issue, I blame liberals. If liberals were truly interested in solving this problem the first thing they should do is to aggressively change the tone of the narrative. The conservatives have done such a great job framing this as a second amendment issue that no one at all even questions it at all. I can't remember any liberal coming out and flatly stating that gun control isn't a second amendment issue, it isn't.QuoteA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.Anything short of banning all guns is 100% constitutional so why don't liberals start the process of changing the conversation. Every single time the second amendment is mentioned when it comes to gun control laws that sentence should be typed/read as I'm sure 90% of Americans have no idea what the second amendment even says.The reason why liberals aren't more aggressive with this is they are afraid of not being electable and the NRA also has influence within the democratic party. Liberal politicians have the ability to change this country but unfortunately running for a national office, as a liberal, all too often comes with a surgery to remove courage and conviction./rant
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Quote from: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:52:18 AMQuote from: sys on August 27, 2015, 10:41:14 AMQuote from: mocat on August 27, 2015, 10:16:20 AMi did not know that shotguns were lumped in with auto/semiauto weapons on their "ban" list. auto and semiauto shotguns. not autos, semiautos and shotguns.ah. thanks sys. hey puni how about we throw another shotgun on the barbie? (because we totally could if we were australian)no problem, we just need to register for it and provide a genuine reason to the government to possess it.
puni, you shouldn't have relented
update: shooter apprehended w/o injuries
If guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are different
Quote from: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:12:40 PMIf guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are differentdrugs are cheap. guns would not be.
It's like none of you watched lock stock and two smoking barrels. It was like pretty tough for the criminals to get bloody shoota's
Quote from: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on August 27, 2015, 01:14:52 PMQuote from: Benja on August 27, 2015, 01:12:40 PMIf guns were tightly controlled or illegal, it seems like a million ways would pop up to get them anyways, just like with drugs. I mean, that just seems like common sense but I could totally be wrong and maybe guns and drugs are differentdrugs are cheap. guns would not be. Thats true
Quote from: MakeItRain on August 27, 2015, 10:02:52 AMI want to expand on my swipe at Bernie Sanders. I actually don't blame conservatives for our gun issue, I blame liberals. If liberals were truly interested in solving this problem the first thing they should do is to aggressively change the tone of the narrative. The conservatives have done such a great job framing this as a second amendment issue that no one at all even questions it at all. I can't remember any liberal coming out and flatly stating that gun control isn't a second amendment issue, it isn't.QuoteA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.Anything short of banning all guns is 100% constitutional so why don't liberals start the process of changing the conversation. Every single time the second amendment is mentioned when it comes to gun control laws that sentence should be typed/read as I'm sure 90% of Americans have no idea what the second amendment even says.The reason why liberals aren't more aggressive with this is they are afraid of not being electable and the NRA also has influence within the democratic party. Liberal politicians have the ability to change this country but unfortunately running for a national office, as a liberal, all too often comes with a surgery to remove courage and conviction./rantwell, I mean look what happened when they tried to pass a bill that only banned a small number of guns in the wake of a shooting that killed 20 first gradershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013
it's really difficult to set up a gun factory in your garage compared to a growhouse or meth operation. It's also far easier to smuggle a pound of drugs than a pound of guns, for a variety of reasons.