Another school shooting

[Emo EMAW]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

[Institutional Control]

If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

That would depend on where you live.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free. Even violent felons may petition to have their firearms rights restored in states like Ohio, Minnesota and Virginia. Some states, including Georgia and Nebraska, award scores of pardons every year that specifically confer gun privileges.

[CNS]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

[michigancat]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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ours was due to some guy getting into a school and murdering 26 kids or something.

[CNS]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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ours was due to some guy getting into a school and murdering 26 kids or something.

A macro view.

[michigancat]

also it's one of those california schools that is almost completely open air. I mean you can just walk down the halls any time of day and no one would give you a second look. But still, the mass murder of the children probably was the biggest reason.

[Emo EMAW]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

[Institutional Control]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

[Emo EMAW]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

Was a question, not assertion?

[Institutional Control]

Was a question, not assertion?

Right.

[CNS]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

Nope.  all we can do is fortress our kids in school and intricately weave together a productive learning environment out of fear, good intentions, and personal freedoms. 

Emo, where at your place of work do you guys hide during your armed crisis drills?  My 5 yr old son's class all stuff into a single hole bathroom and turn out the light and bolt the door.  My wife's classroom and my 7 yr old daughter's class are similar in that neither is lucky enough to have a bathroom in it, so they all(20 kids or so each) have to get as close to under the teacher's desk as they can since they have no other place to hide due to a window wall on one interior wall and the exterior wall as well as large glass sidelites on the door and the school doesn't have the budget to provide adequate window coverings to obstruct view from outside the room(you know, funding issues and all).  Does your employer provide adequate places to cower during an armed breach?

The armed crisis drills go off pretty well at their school.  I mean, it's kinda like the tornado drills from when you were a kid, only instead of lining the hall and learning about how to protect your head, they are all getting shoved into dark closets while cops go through the rooms one by one and simulate an insane armed maniac trying to force the door to the said closet while everyone learns to stay quiet and stuff. 

As soon as the drill is over, everyone is congratulated on doing a good job and a few pointers are given on how to further decrease your chance of being shot if the real thing should ever occur.  Then they go back to working on reading and stuff.

[ChiComCat]

If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

That would depend on where you live.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free. Even violent felons may petition to have their firearms rights restored in states like Ohio, Minnesota and Virginia. Some states, including Georgia and Nebraska, award scores of pardons every year that specifically confer gun privileges.

I am almost certain shooting someone counts a violent offense

[Institutional Control]

If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

That would depend on where you live.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Today, in at least 11 states, including Kansas, Ohio, Minnesota and Rhode Island, restoration of firearms rights is automatic, without any review at all, for many nonviolent felons, usually once they finish their sentences, or after a certain amount of time crime-free. Even violent felons may petition to have their firearms rights restored in states like Ohio, Minnesota and Virginia. Some states, including Georgia and Nebraska, award scores of pardons every year that specifically confer gun privileges.

I am almost certain shooting someone counts a violent offense

Ok. Still depends on the state.

[Emo EMAW]

Wife's was due to an unmedicated dad getting released from prison and having shown up at school two days ago claiming to be Jesus.  Mother serving him w papers tomorrow and the police have decided that the entire school should work the next day in partial lock down rather than the mother just keeping her kids home.  Guy was in prison for shooting someone couple yrs ago.  My wife is the guys eldest child's teacher.

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If he's a felon he can't possess a gun anyways.  Nothing to worry about here.

Jesus, just like most crazy ppl, just does whatevs he wants.

Oh so laws don't help then?

Nope.  all we can do is fortress our kids in school and intricately weave together a productive learning environment out of fear, good intentions, and personal freedoms. 

Emo, where at your place of work do you guys hide during your armed crisis drills?  My 5 yr old son's class all stuff into a single hole bathroom and turn out the light and bolt the door.  My wife's classroom and my 7 yr old daughter's class are similar in that neither is lucky enough to have a bathroom in it, so they all(20 kids or so each) have to get as close to under the teacher's desk as they can since they have no other place to hide due to a window wall on one interior wall and the exterior wall as well as large glass sidelites on the door and the school doesn't have the budget to provide adequate window coverings to obstruct view from outside the room(you know, funding issues and all).  Does your employer provide adequate places to cower during an armed breach?

The armed crisis drills go off pretty well at their school.  I mean, it's kinda like the tornado drills from when you were a kid, only instead of lining the hall and learning about how to protect your head, they are all getting shoved into dark closets while cops go through the rooms one by one and simulate an insane armed maniac trying to force the door to the said closet while everyone learns to stay quiet and stuff. 

As soon as the drill is over, everyone is congratulated on doing a good job and a few pointers are given on how to further decrease your chance of being shot if the real thing should ever occur.  Then they go back to working on reading and stuff.

We don't have armed crisis drills.  What's your point though?

[CNS]

My point is that it is ridiculous that such things have become an accepted part of my wife's job, or anyone's job not directly involved in security or defense.  It is ridiculous that such things have become a required measure for my children, or any children, to have to practice while attending elementary school. 

It is easy to become jaded about this crap, but just think about the fact that an elementary teacher has to go to work just like you or I but now has to understand the best way to hide from an armed gunman while at that job.  That is now part of said teacher's process.  Bell at 8:15, gym at 10am, lunch at 11:15, crisis drill so kids don't get massacred at 2:00.   That is the most ridiculous thing I could imagine.  We live in a society that has made this something that happens now yet all that is being discussed are two ludicrous things in either 1. take all guns away, or 2. Alcohol and cars should be illegal.  Oh, also that discussed is that teachers are paid too much.

[Emo EMAW]

Our parents ducked under desks during the Cuban missile crisis.     If it's not one thing it's something else.  (I do agree it's ridiculous, though, from multiple standpoints.)

[CNS]

Our parents ducked under desks during the Cuban missile crisis.     If it's not one thing it's something else.  (I do agree it's ridiculous, though, from multiple standpoints.)

Yeah and kids in the 40's did air raid drills.  You should expect such things when you are at war or near war with another country that has a distinct possibility of harming your citizens as part of that war.  This issue is us.  It's our ppl, our culture, our society, and those who should be working to resolve it are instead spinning it as best they can to make the other side look bad rather than resolving it.

Something has to change and that change, in order to actually have a legitimate effect, will have to limit someone's rights.

[Stevesie60]

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

[sys]

people seem to spending a lot of time and money worrying about children.

[0.42]

people seem to spending a lot of time and money worrying about children.

 

[HeinBallz]

Anyone disputing the stance that new gun laws won't have any impact should try explaining how one of the over 300 gun laws have contributed to the decline, then rise, then decline again of violent deaths in the USA. It would serve your stance better than posting pictures of straw men.

Although, I guess It's a lot easier to expunge yourself of guilt by asking someone else to deal with things for you.  Casting a ballot is an awfully convenient method of passing the buck and not admitting to yourself that this problem can't be solved with a child like emotional fit of taking something away from someone.  Email your congressman/senator then forget about it. 

So excuse me if I see anyone as clamoring for gun control as incredible naive, lazy, OR not willing to admit that some of the things that can cause this type of violence is something they are or were guilty of and are awfully lucky their own kid doesn't commit suicide or murder them in their sleep.

Take 30 minutes and listen to this; ignore the video, just listen.

[steve dave]

thanks kstatefreak42

[HeinBallz]

thanks kstatefreak42

Does that make you feel better about yourself?

[Stevesie60]

Anyone disputing the stance that new gun laws won't have any impact should try explaining how one of the over 300 gun laws have contributed to the decline, then rise, then decline again of violent deaths in the USA. It would serve your stance better than posting pictures of straw men.

Although, I guess It's a lot easier to expunge yourself of guilt by asking someone else to deal with things for you.  Casting a ballot is an awfully convenient method of passing the buck and not admitting to yourself that this problem can't be solved with a child like emotional fit of taking something away from someone.  Email your congressman/senator then forget about it. 

So excuse me if I see anyone as clamoring for gun control as incredible naive, lazy, OR not willing to admit that some of the things that can cause this type of violence is something they are or were guilty of and are awfully lucky their own kid doesn't commit suicide or murder them in their sleep.

Take 30 minutes and listen to this; ignore the video, just listen.

Mental health is only a factor in a small percentage of gun violence crimes.

[HeinBallz]

Really? So perfectly sane healthy people are going around and shooting people?