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Offline Brock Landers

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2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« on: October 03, 2012, 02:06:11 PM »
If politics is show business for ugly people then tonight is like an Academy Awards ceremony hosted by Jim Lehrer   :love:  Getting pumped/Pak'd already!

Can Romney connect with voters and try to explain his "47%" remarks?

Can Obama make it through the evening without a teleprompter?

Will either candidate break out some specific details on how to improve the economy or reduce the deficit?

Can I keep asking rhetorical questions?  Tune in to find out!


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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 02:11:24 PM »
gonna be a blood bath

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 02:12:24 PM »
yeah, i can't see this going well for romney at all. 

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 02:13:21 PM »
Romney's best strategy would be to run ads to watch the debate at the wrong date, time, and channel to hopefully minimize viewership.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 02:13:36 PM »
Getting Pak'd already!

i bet you're just a real treat to watch it with

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 02:43:42 PM »
It's clear that President Obama has won tonight's debate.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 02:51:46 PM »
Getting Pak'd already!

i bet you're just a real treat to watch it with


Ha, kidding.  I'm still at work but will have 1 or 2  :drink: during the debate.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 03:47:29 PM »
I'd like to watch it; but likely won't have time - maybe I'll youtube it later.
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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 04:41:22 PM »
It's clear that President Obama has won tonight's debate.

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have you not seen the billion romney supporters on tv saying he's going to get slayed in this?
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 05:07:10 PM »
New South Park tonight.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 05:19:02 PM »
It's clear that President Obama has won tonight's debate.

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have you not seen the billion romney supporters on tv saying he's going to get slayed in this?

no. Unless they work for Fox, they aren't supporters.

Just how can he get slayed? all he has to do is talk about the last 4 years and it's a win. What is Obama rebuttal, poor people don't like you so nananana?

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Re: Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 05:30:26 PM »
I'd like to watch it; but likely won't have time - maybe I'll youtube it later.

What the hell do you have to do on a wed. Night in primetime?

I am picking up some thai food right now and then will drink some left over corona lights.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 07:49:47 PM »
Thai food devoured, wine subbing in for corona light.

Going to try and watch and live blog without reading twitter or anything else.  Afterwards will find out what I was supposed to think.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 08:12:27 PM »
Romney coming out swinging

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 08:15:00 PM »
Obama-
happy anniversary michelle
distinction between the candidates, mitt wants to lower taxes on the rich
invest in education
reform tax code

Romney-
nice joke about romantic evening with me
personal stories-  please help, people out of work for a long time
we need best schools in the world, do not have them
champion small business- new business startups at 30 year low
"trickle down" from government

Obama rebuttal-
education reform-  Race to the Top, hire 100,000 more math/science teachers, more community college spots, keep tuition low
tax code- reduce corporate rate,
energy- highest rates of natural gas/oil production in some time, look at alternatives
$5 trillion tax cut on top of $1 trillion Bush tax cut on top of $2 trillion in more military spending = $8 trillion

Romney-
tax relief for middle class, do not have a $5 trillion cut
middle income americans have been buried
$4,300 "economy tax" of lost wages under Obama
health care,
balancing budget, energy, education is key,
training programs with too much overhead, send the money back to the states
tax rates need to be lowered, lower deductions/credit/redemptions
all additional energy production on private land, not on public.  We need additional energy
clean coal, energy independence
not looking to cut taxes that add to the deficit, reduce burden on middle on income americans

Obama-
4 years ago I said I said I would cut middle income taxes, I did by about $3,600

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 08:19:39 PM »
Obama cont.
repeats $5 trillion line
been asked over 100 times about how to close loopholes
he can't pay for the $8 trillion
the independent studies say, the only way you can do it is by raising middle class taxes by $2,000
that isn't my analysis, that is independent analysis
$250,000 for rich

Romney
I'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut
no economist can say that if I say no deficit spending on tax cuts
I have 5 boys, but if people continue to say things that doesn't mean I have to believe it
I will lower taxes on
6 other studies that say your wrong
All these studies out there, well I want to bring down rates
how is it revenue neutral? because we need growth, it is a jobs plan!

Obama
18 months, he's run on this tax plan
5 weeks out he said nevermind
It's math, its arithmatic
we both want to encourage small businesses

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2012, 08:27:22 PM »
Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2012, 08:35:07 PM »
Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!

I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2012, 08:37:38 PM »
Obama (cont)
$250K salaries +, pay Clinton rates
we can't afford anything else
97% of small businesses would not get increased rates on my plan
millionaires and billionaires, Donald Trump is a small business under his plan
that approach will not grow our economy
it will either blow up our deficit, burden the middle class, or we must stop to invest in things we want

Jim Leher
we are way over time, eff it this is pretty good

Romney-
I don't want to cost jobs, the tax rates on small businesses have to come down.
You want to raise it from 35 to 40%!

Obama-
If you believe we can cut taxes by $5 trillion
and add $2 trillion the military isn't asking for
more than our entire defense budget
without picking up the tab, then Romney is your guy
We've tried that approach.  That is the same sales pitch made in 2001 and 2003
we had slow jobs growth, we went from surplus to deficit, we had a crash
He's Bush, I'm Clinton

Jim Leher-
I have no control of this debate

Romney-
$5 trillion is not my plan
bring down deductions, redemptions, etc.

Obama-
ok

Leher-
Alright

Roney-
Food stamps! slow growth!

Leher-
you go first Romney  how do we tackle the deficit

Romney-
moral issue, knowing the burden is passed on to next generation
they will pay principle and the interest
raise taxes, decrease spending, increase growth
he wants to raise taxes
I want to
is it worth borrowing from China?
repeal Obamacare, combine agencies/deptartments, stop subsidy for PBS! (LOL)

Obama-
$1 trillion deficit greeted me in office
credit card spending on 2 wars, tax cuts and a recession
let's make sure we are cutting things that don't make us grow
77 programs were cut
18 government programs for education
medical fraud in medicare and medicaid saved $50 billion in waste overall
$1 trillion in discretionary domestic budget
I put forward a $4 trillion reduction plan, it is specific, on a website
$2.50 in every cut, $1 additional revenue from rich people
Bowles-Simpson, bipartisan commission said some revenue, some spending cuts
Romney was asked $10 of spending cuts for $1 of revenue and he said no
if you take an unbalanced approach you will take a 30% cut for kids with disabilities and seniors

Leher-
do you support Simpson-Bowles

Romney-
you said you'd cut the deficit, why didn't you do it?
you have been president 4 years
we still have deficits, you aren't getting the job done
you said I'm not going to raise taxes because the economy is growing slow
well the economy is growing more slowly, do you still believe that?
your plan will kill 700,000 jobs

Leher-
revenue in addition to cuts

Obama-
he's ruled out revenue

Romney-
completely
you will never balance the budget raising taxes
42% of our economy on government in Spain, we do the same
I don't want to be Spain

Obama-
not just individual taxes
we can make changes that would help the economy
oil industry gets $4 billion in corporate welfare
does anyone think Exxon-Mobil need that?
tax breaks for corporate jet?  no, pay full freight
Romney says he wants to close loopholes and deductions
he won't ID them, I want to do that, but I've said which ones I want to do
you can take a tax deduction for moving a factory overseas! 
so we can raise some of this revenue to help schools and educate our kids
budgets reflect our choices
no revenue means we have to cut, the magnitude of the tax cuts means severe hardship for people and no growth
30% cut in medicaid may not seem like a big deal on paper
but governors aren't creative enough to help a family with autism

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2012, 08:39:18 PM »
Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!

I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.

(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 08:43:26 PM »
Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!

I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.

(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)

Ya, home ownership is stabilizing factor in the country.... reducing the incentives to that seems risky.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 08:47:23 PM »
kidding aside, Mitt is doing 20trillion times better than I thought he woulc or could.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 08:48:30 PM »
kidding aside, Mitt is doing 20trillion times better than I thought he woulc or could.

Mormons are crafty folk.  We laugh at their magical underwear, but who is laughing now?  They are.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 08:49:41 PM »
Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!

I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.

(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)

at < 4% rates, that's a pretty big loan, like nearly $400k on a 30 yr.  but I agree, don't like.

EDIT: not that I don't like gheys, i do.

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Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 08:53:45 PM »
kidding aside, Mitt is doing 20trillion times better than I thought he woulc or could.

Mormons are crafty folk.  We laugh at their magical underwear, but who is laughing now?  They are.

This has to be killing Mrs. Pete