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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Brock Landers on October 03, 2012, 02:06:11 PM
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If politics is show business for ugly people then tonight is like an Academy Awards ceremony hosted by Jim Lehrer :love: Getting pumped/Pak'd already!
Can Romney connect with voters and try to explain his "47%" remarks?
Can Obama make it through the evening without a teleprompter?
Will either candidate break out some specific details on how to improve the economy or reduce the deficit?
Can I keep asking rhetorical questions? Tune in to find out!
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gonna be a blood bath
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yeah, i can't see this going well for romney at all.
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Romney's best strategy would be to run ads to watch the debate at the wrong date, time, and channel to hopefully minimize viewership.
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Getting Pak'd already!
i bet you're just a real treat to watch it with
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It's clear that President Obama has won tonight's debate.
(do not release until after the debate)
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Getting Pak'd already!
i bet you're just a real treat to watch it with
Ha, kidding. I'm still at work but will have 1 or 2 :drink: during the debate.
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I'd like to watch it; but likely won't have time - maybe I'll youtube it later.
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It's clear that President Obama has won tonight's debate.
(do not release until after the debate)
have you not seen the billion romney supporters on tv saying he's going to get slayed in this?
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New South Park tonight.
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It's clear that President Obama has won tonight's debate.
(do not release until after the debate)
have you not seen the billion romney supporters on tv saying he's going to get slayed in this?
no. Unless they work for Fox, they aren't supporters.
Just how can he get slayed? all he has to do is talk about the last 4 years and it's a win. What is Obama rebuttal, poor people don't like you so nananana?
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I'd like to watch it; but likely won't have time - maybe I'll youtube it later.
What the hell do you have to do on a wed. Night in primetime?
I am picking up some thai food right now and then will drink some left over corona lights.
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Thai food devoured, wine subbing in for corona light.
Going to try and watch and live blog without reading twitter or anything else. Afterwards will find out what I was supposed to think.
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Romney coming out swinging
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Obama-
happy anniversary michelle
distinction between the candidates, mitt wants to lower taxes on the rich
invest in education
reform tax code
Romney-
nice joke about romantic evening with me
personal stories- please help, people out of work for a long time
we need best schools in the world, do not have them
champion small business- new business startups at 30 year low
"trickle down" from government
Obama rebuttal-
education reform- Race to the Top, hire 100,000 more math/science teachers, more community college spots, keep tuition low
tax code- reduce corporate rate,
energy- highest rates of natural gas/oil production in some time, look at alternatives
$5 trillion tax cut on top of $1 trillion Bush tax cut on top of $2 trillion in more military spending = $8 trillion
Romney-
tax relief for middle class, do not have a $5 trillion cut
middle income americans have been buried
$4,300 "economy tax" of lost wages under Obama
health care,
balancing budget, energy, education is key,
training programs with too much overhead, send the money back to the states
tax rates need to be lowered, lower deductions/credit/redemptions
all additional energy production on private land, not on public. We need additional energy
clean coal, energy independence
not looking to cut taxes that add to the deficit, reduce burden on middle on income americans
Obama-
4 years ago I said I said I would cut middle income taxes, I did by about $3,600
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Obama cont.
repeats $5 trillion line
been asked over 100 times about how to close loopholes
he can't pay for the $8 trillion
the independent studies say, the only way you can do it is by raising middle class taxes by $2,000
that isn't my analysis, that is independent analysis
$250,000 for rich
Romney
I'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut
no economist can say that if I say no deficit spending on tax cuts
I have 5 boys, but if people continue to say things that doesn't mean I have to believe it
I will lower taxes on
6 other studies that say your wrong
All these studies out there, well I want to bring down rates
how is it revenue neutral? because we need growth, it is a jobs plan!
Obama
18 months, he's run on this tax plan
5 weeks out he said nevermind
It's math, its arithmatic
we both want to encourage small businesses
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.
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Obama (cont)
$250K salaries +, pay Clinton rates
we can't afford anything else
97% of small businesses would not get increased rates on my plan
millionaires and billionaires, Donald Trump is a small business under his plan
that approach will not grow our economy
it will either blow up our deficit, burden the middle class, or we must stop to invest in things we want
Jim Leher
we are way over time, eff it this is pretty good
Romney-
I don't want to cost jobs, the tax rates on small businesses have to come down.
You want to raise it from 35 to 40%!
Obama-
If you believe we can cut taxes by $5 trillion
and add $2 trillion the military isn't asking for
more than our entire defense budget
without picking up the tab, then Romney is your guy
We've tried that approach. That is the same sales pitch made in 2001 and 2003
we had slow jobs growth, we went from surplus to deficit, we had a crash
He's Bush, I'm Clinton
Jim Leher-
I have no control of this debate
Romney-
$5 trillion is not my plan
bring down deductions, redemptions, etc.
Obama-
ok
Leher-
Alright
Roney-
Food stamps! slow growth!
Leher-
you go first Romney how do we tackle the deficit
Romney-
moral issue, knowing the burden is passed on to next generation
they will pay principle and the interest
raise taxes, decrease spending, increase growth
he wants to raise taxes
I want to
is it worth borrowing from China?
repeal Obamacare, combine agencies/deptartments, stop subsidy for PBS! (LOL)
Obama-
$1 trillion deficit greeted me in office
credit card spending on 2 wars, tax cuts and a recession
let's make sure we are cutting things that don't make us grow
77 programs were cut
18 government programs for education
medical fraud in medicare and medicaid saved $50 billion in waste overall
$1 trillion in discretionary domestic budget
I put forward a $4 trillion reduction plan, it is specific, on a website
$2.50 in every cut, $1 additional revenue from rich people
Bowles-Simpson, bipartisan commission said some revenue, some spending cuts
Romney was asked $10 of spending cuts for $1 of revenue and he said no
if you take an unbalanced approach you will take a 30% cut for kids with disabilities and seniors
Leher-
do you support Simpson-Bowles
Romney-
you said you'd cut the deficit, why didn't you do it?
you have been president 4 years
we still have deficits, you aren't getting the job done
you said I'm not going to raise taxes because the economy is growing slow
well the economy is growing more slowly, do you still believe that?
your plan will kill 700,000 jobs
Leher-
revenue in addition to cuts
Obama-
he's ruled out revenue
Romney-
completely
you will never balance the budget raising taxes
42% of our economy on government in Spain, we do the same
I don't want to be Spain
Obama-
not just individual taxes
we can make changes that would help the economy
oil industry gets $4 billion in corporate welfare
does anyone think Exxon-Mobil need that?
tax breaks for corporate jet? no, pay full freight
Romney says he wants to close loopholes and deductions
he won't ID them, I want to do that, but I've said which ones I want to do
you can take a tax deduction for moving a factory overseas!
so we can raise some of this revenue to help schools and educate our kids
budgets reflect our choices
no revenue means we have to cut, the magnitude of the tax cuts means severe hardship for people and no growth
30% cut in medicaid may not seem like a big deal on paper
but governors aren't creative enough to help a family with autism
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.
(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.
(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)
Ya, home ownership is stabilizing factor in the country.... reducing the incentives to that seems risky.
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kidding aside, Mitt is doing 20trillion times better than I thought he woulc or could.
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kidding aside, Mitt is doing 20trillion times better than I thought he woulc or could.
Mormons are crafty folk. We laugh at their magical underwear, but who is laughing now? They are.
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.
(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)
at < 4% rates, that's a pretty big loan, like nearly $400k on a 30 yr. but I agree, don't like.
EDIT: not that I don't like gheys, i do.
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kidding aside, Mitt is doing 20trillion times better than I thought he woulc or could.
Mormons are crafty folk. We laugh at their magical underwear, but who is laughing now? They are.
This has to be killing Mrs. Pete
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.
(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)
at < 4% rates, that's a pretty big loan, like nearly $400k on a 30 yr. but I agree, don't like.
EDIT: not that I don't like gheys, i do.
Some of us live pretty large, JD.
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Is Mitt going to axe the mortgage interest deduction?!
I think he is talking of limiting it to $17,000.
(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay)
at < 4% rates, that's a pretty big loan, like nearly $400k on a 30 yr. but I agree, don't like.
EDIT: not that I don't like gheys, i do.
Some of us live pretty large, JD.
That's why I don't like it. I deducted more than that last year.
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Romney-
35% to 25% the deductions will be gone
$90 billion into to solar and wind
you don't just pick the winners and losers, you've been picking the losers
the idea you get a break for shipping jobs overseas, I've never heard of that
maybe I need a new accountant
state governors, get the money than we can care for our own poor than if the federal government tells us what to do
states are the laboratories of democracy
Leher-
entitlements Do you see a major difference on Social Security
Obama-
similar
structurally sound, will need to be tweaked
values behind Social Security and Medicare because Medicare is the large driver of our deficits
the reason my grandmother could be independent was because of Social Security and Medicare
that is the point of view I bring
they are not dependent, they have worked hard
so how can we strengthen the system?
To reduce costs: $716 billion, no longer overpaying insurance providers
lowered Rx drugs $600/person and made the system more sustainable
we need to lower health care costs
Romney-
our seniors depend on them
nothing will happen to them
neither of us would change retirees or 60 or older no changes will be
Oh nevermind, (HEADFAKE!) actually Obama is changing Medicare for retirees
$716 billion is what he's cutting
going across the board cutting the rates and now hospitals and retirement homes are saying they won't take Medicare or Medicare Advantage
I want to put the $716 billion back in instead of using it to fund Obamacare
Obama-
Medicare voucher program, he won't explain it
I don't support that
If you are 54 or 55
the idea presented by congressman Ryan is:
take your voucher and buy your own health insurance
but the voucher won't keep up with insurance inflation will cost seniors $6000/yr
but health insurance companies will try to prune out the older people in favor of younger
AARP thinks the savings from Medicare strengthen the system and if you repeal Obamacare will be $600/person for Rx, more for preventive care and the primary beneficiaries will be insurance companies
Leher-
do you support voucher system?
Romney-
I support current system for retirees, Obama doesn't, he takes $715 billion out of your current plan
there will be at least two plans
if the government can match the private market
I would just as soon rather have an insurance company not the government telling me what to do, I get to make choices, I can get competition among insurance companies
lower benefits for higher income people
Obama-
government has lower administrative costs than private companies
private companies have to make a profit
so where is the money going to come from? If medicare has fallen apart in the meantime, then where is the choice?
Leher-
Amount of regulation in the marketplace?
Romney-
regulation is essential
you need it
free economies need it
it is excessive in some places
regulation is excessive example; Dodd-Frank
unintended consequences, too big to fail banks
biggest kiss to NY banks ever!
repeal and replace Dodd-Frank
leverage limits, transparency
Obama-
great example
big economic crisis because of reckless behavior across the board
loan officers to people who should not have got it, people asking for loans they should not get, rating agencies rubber stamping, banks making money hand over fist with complex things no one understood
we paid back every dime on the loans, with interest
he wants to repeal Dodd-Frank, roll it back
I'm glad we agree that there is some agreement about regulations
Was there too much regulation of Wall St.? If that's true Romney is your guy?
Too big to fail, hurts small banks
qualified mortgages, won't define qualified mortgage, try and get a mortgage these days because the regulations weren't thought through
Leher-
Health care, Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, you want repeal, Why?
Romney-
I can't afford insurance for myself and my son
the number of small businesses that are dropping is numerous
the costs are prohibitive $2500 more from the CBO per person per year under ACA
it is expensive, that hurts families
it cuts $716b from medicare
unelected board that will say about care covered
companies say it has prevented them from hiring people
he fought for obamacare, not jobs!
craft a plan at the state level to fit the needs of the state and bring costs down
Obama-
had the same conversations
small businesses saw costs go higher, it is the biggest cost of our deficit, but families were scared of going broke if they got sick
pre-existing conditions, arbitrary limits, someone gets sick, they hit the limit, they go broke
if you have insurance, it is not a govt. takeover, insurance can't jerk you around, your kid can stay on until 26
you are going to get rebates if insurance spend more on admin costs and profits than care
group rates instead of individual rates
Leher-
2 minutes are up
Obama-
had 5 seconds before you interrupted me (lol!)
great work Romney on the state system in Mass.
Romney-
I like the way we did it in Mass
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Can I skip the last 10 minutes without missing much? being on dvr time sucks for following this and twitter...
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I watched roughly 1 minute of the debate while at Gomer's liquor tonight, Mitt was talking, he sounded good/great.
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Romney(cont)
you pushed Obamacare through with Pelosi/Reid
we did it bipartisan
we didn't raise taxes
we didn't cut medicare
we didn't have a board say what care people could get
we didn't ask people to lose insurance they had
The republicans did not vote a single vote for it.
Bipartisan plan from republicans was pushed aside
Obama-
This is a Republican plan
we used the same advisors as Romney's plan
it is the same plan
the unelected board, health care experts and doctors looking at reducing costs of care
2 ways of dealing with this: let people fend for themselves, and go without insurance
or we can more the cost of care, there are ways of doing it
Cleveland Clinic- great care cheaper than average: if a patient comes in they get all doctors together and do 1 test instead of 10
lets prevent and manage diabetes, let's pay doctors on performance not by procedure
lets use the purchasing power of medicare and medicaid to take advantage of these cost-cutting measures
health care costs have gone up slower than at any time in the past 50 years
people with private are getting rebates already
Romney won't describe what he will replace it with, his solutions won't help people with pre-existing conditions
50 million will lose insurance
Leher-
what is replace
Romney
kids can stay on, preexisting conditions will be covered
lets bring the cost down, an unelected board, the government, this board is going to decide your care
the private industry will bring down costs better than govt.
your example is a private industry
I was a consultant to hospitals, I was astounded by the creativity
we don't need a board, we need to put them on performance pay
Intermountain healthcare, Mayo
the right answer is not fed. govt. takeover and mandates, telling doctors and patients about care
private works best
Obama
the board does not make decisions about doctor-patient treatments that is specifically prevented
your plan doesn't say that
your plan doesn't help people with pre-existing conditions
Romney plan in Mass was private insurance expansion, you have to take everybody, but you get more customers
but he won't give you a better answers than the answers in Mass
we don't know the details! tax cuts, dodd-frank, obamacare
is the reason he won't reveal the details is because they are too good? because he will help people too much?
no, these are tough problems, but the choices we made help middle class
Romney-
when I lay out my specific plan I can't get cooperation
I want to lay out my framework, will work with congress
bring down deductions, Bowles-Simpson or have a deductions cap
bring down rates, broaden base, bring down deductions
my plan in Mass was a model for state by state and setting aside the 10th amendment is not the way to go
Leher-
role of govt.
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Can I skip the last 10 minutes without missing much? being on dvr time sucks for following this and twitter...
Should watch it all, Romney is just crushing it.
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Oh man Obama is mad
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Just turned it on, has either addressed the growing deficit and how we really can't afford crap?
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lol at Jim Leher spending 60 seconds repeating that we only have 3 minutes left.
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whatever you say Obumma (i just came up with that :cool:)
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Can I skip the last 10 minutes without missing much? being on dvr time sucks for following this and twitter...
Should watch it all, Romney is just crushing it.
Will go back and check the time I missed. Before I hit 'live' I felt like Mitt was crushing, then it looked like he was on the ropes when I got back*
*Fully understanding that you and I don't agree on several issues
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:flush: <---- Obama
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Just turned it on, has either addressed the growing deficit and how we really can't afford crap?
Yes, that was part two, i think.
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Mitt won pretty convincingly. But that's maybe because we thought he'd meltdown.
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Obama-
role of govt., 1st role keep Americans safe
govt. has capacity to open up opportunity with ladders and framework
freedom, free enterprise, work on an idea, make their own decisions
but Abe Lincoln said let's build a transcontinental railroad, natl. academy of sciences, land grant institutions, give all americans opportunity that expands freedom, not contract them
Race to the Top education, states reform then we give more money
we also need 100,000 math/science teachers so we have skills
states have laid off teachers at the state level
Romney says we don't need more teachers, I think we do.
It will create jobs by creating more skilled workplace
Romney-
Mass has great schools we need great teachers, more teachers
every state and school district needs to make that decision on their own
we need to protect the Declaration and the Constitution
Military second to none, will not cut it
are endowed by our creator, we need religious freedom
we care for those that have difficulties
we allow people to pursue their own dreams
trickle down government thinks it can do better than individuals 1/6 people in poverty 47 million on food stamps 50% college grads do not working, we need a change
States take the lead, fed can push state and local along
Title I, IDEA need school choice the funds follow families not school districts
Obama-
Race to the Top- major reforms
Leher- differences?
Obama-
budgets matter
cut taxes? for me and him
we need to cut fed support for ed
Congressman Ryan put forward a budget that was not very detailed, which is a trend
but it would cut education budget by up to 20%
community colleges will need to train for jobs and partner students with jobs that requires fed support
making college affordable- sending $60 billion to banks/lenders for guaranteed loans, we cut out the middle man and now millions more have loans and have lower interest rates
Romney cares about education, but when he says borrow money from your parents, but not all kids, like me and michelle have that option
Romney-
you get your own house, airplane not your own facts as president
I'm not cutting education
$90 billion in to green jobs that is 2 million teachers
these businesses are out of business, a number were contributors to your campaign
the govt. is not picking winners and losers, telling people what treatment they can get, but how can we get schools more competitive
let's grade our schools, let's not cut our commitment, but let's make it better
Mass. schools were ranked #1 in the nation
Leher-
3 min. left, your answers have been too long or I've been poor at this
3 min. total time: fed govt. is in paralysis due to partisan gridlock what do you do?
Romney-
great experience was 87% democrat legislature in Mass
as president day 1, will sit down with democrats and republicans
talk about challenges
find common ground
people are hurting
this deficit could crush future generations
both republicans and democrats lover america, but we need to get the job done
done it before and do it agian
Obama-
busy first day repealing obamacare and sitting down with democrats who won't like that
I dont care who has the ideas
repealed DADT, 3 trade deals, end war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan, brought down Osama Bin Ladin, saying specifics, you need a plan
you need to say no, have we had some fights? yes. leadership is saying what you are for and saying no.
Romney has not said no to people in his own party
Obama closing statement
the question now is how do we build on the strengths?
The American People's genius and grit is channeled and they have a fair shot, a fair shake, we are all playing by the same rules
I said 4 years ago I wasn't perfect, but that I would fight for the middle class, I will continue that fight with your vote
Romney
I am concerned about America over the past 4 years
this is bigger than us, our parties, it is about the future of the countries
two different paths
look at the record
the president will squeeze the middle class, chronic unemployment, costs up, I will create 12 million new jobs
Obamacare with him, premiums up, no Obamacare with me, we will use state by state plans and bring costs down
$716b cut to medicare, hospitals will not allow medicare, I will reinstate
Obama will cut military, I will keep our military strong
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Just turned it on, has either addressed the growing deficit and how we really can't afford crap?
Yes, that was part two, i think.
They did a bunch of dancing anyway. Not sure they really explained crap.
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Mitt made Obama look like he had no idea what he was doing.
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I hated mitt until tonight. Mitt = stud
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Obama's body language is pretty telling. Dude is PISSED.
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OK, I'm ready for the debate. What time does it start?
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Obama's body language is pretty telling. Dude is PISSED.
anyone would be after taking a beating like that
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Jim Leher pretty much stayed out of it and left it to the candidates, that made for a free-wheeling debate and all the talking points came out, multiple times. He set up the talking points, didn't reign in on time or content. It is an approach I like better than an overeager moderator, but it made for a sloppy debate.
Mitt won here, but this debate wasn't decisive. It was really details oriented. Mitt did a better job with repeating $716b medicare and the $90 billion on green jobs than Obama did with his $8 trillion which he switched to $7 trillion then dropped when Mitt questioned it.
Mitt really pandered his ass off with me too!'s on all of Obama's plans on tax cuts and health care. I don't know if that will be transparent or not, but Obama dropped the ball on doing anything about that. He did do a good job with his messaging, but it was not punchy, especially compared with Mitt's absurd energy.
Overall, I don't think this will do much to move things.
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Most convincing reason to vote for Obama from tonight's debate: "if the president is reelected, you'll see dramatic cuts to our military." -- Mitt Romney
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I think Romeny won by not failing (ie: not getting cornered or looking like a block of wood). Did well holding the medicare/ade message together (716 B point).
Did not like Obama looking down that much to take notes, kinda looked like he was texting.
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msnbc people going crazy about how well mitt did :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: just absolutely nuts
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Who watches msnbc?
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i am right now
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i had no idea al sharpton was a dwarf
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If Ryan comes out swinging like this, the Veep debate could get ugly.
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I actually feel like I would not have got my ass kicked as bad as Obama with 10-15 hours of prep. No joke. This looking at who and looking down or whatever was b.s. But Obama on several occasions got straight stunz style neg-alpha'd.
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If Ryan comes out swinging like this, the Veep debate could get ugly.
doubtful. Obama was trying to come out with a tempered image, not a high flying rhetorical style he is known for. I think the Obama camp will feed Biden more ammo.
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If Ryan comes out swinging like this, the Veep debate could get ugly.
Ryan is going to come off like a smarmy a-hole. Biden is going to do a poor man's Clinton and rally the white working class. I am pretty certain of this. Mark it down.
This debate just made the race close, as opposed to a possible Obama landslide.
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Bo looked completely unprepared.does someone get axed?
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This debate just made the race close, as opposed to a possible Obama landslide.
Did it? For reference, was anyone here undecided?
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I think the race was already pretty close....
Not that it matters though.
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This debate just made the race close, as opposed to a possible Obama landslide.
Did it? For reference, was anyone here undecided?
That's the problem. What good does a debate do when everyone has made their minds up based on months of mudslinging? Why do we have the debates this late?
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The Federal Reserve won the debate
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I'd like to watch it; but likely won't have time - maybe I'll youtube it later.
What the hell do you have to do on a wed. Night in primetime?
I am picking up some thai food right now and then will drink some left over corona lights.
If you must know, my wife is a stay at home mom and uses Wednesday's as her hang out at Barnes & noble alone time/sanity break - or go drinking with friends night... I don't know what the eff she does - all I know is on wednesdays every week I entertain, feed, bathe & bed a 6 & 3 year old. Then I usually get laid when she gets home. Kind of a full night. Luckily though the kids fell asleep in the car on the way home from the park tonight and I caught the last 45 minutes and enjoyed a beer.
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This debate just made the race close, as opposed to a possible Obama landslide.
Did it? For reference, was anyone here undecided?
That's the problem. What good does a debate do when everyone has made their minds up based on months of mudslinging? Why do we have the debates this late?
I think the better question is why do we start the elections two years in advance, but yeah.
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I'd like to watch it; but likely won't have time - maybe I'll youtube it later.
What the hell do you have to do on a wed. Night in primetime?
I am picking up some thai food right now and then will drink some left over corona lights.
If you must know, my wife is a stay at home mom and uses Wednesday's as her hang out at Barnes & noble alone time/sanity break - or go drinking with friends night... I don't know what the eff she does - all I know is on wednesdays every week I entertain, feed, bathe & bed a 6 & 3 year old. Then I usually get laid when she gets home. Kind of a full night. Luckily though the kids fell asleep in the car on the way home from the park tonight and I caught the last 45 minutes and enjoyed a beer.
#fanningbrag
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Most convincing reason to vote for Obama from tonight's debate: "if the president is reelected, you'll see dramatic cuts to our military." -- Mitt Romney
Yeah, if I were undecided, I would have ran to the polls for that one.
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It always blows me away that there are people who are undecided.
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It always blows me away that there are people who are undecided.
They should just be called the uninvolved.
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Why do we seem to believe the debates are a good barometer anyway? WGAF how well a candidate can respond to something their opponent threw out a few seconds ago, when in any policy making situation they would have time to sit down with their advisors. Maybe twenty-five years ago, the platform of each candidate was not easily available to anyone who cared and the debates were more important for getting the message out, but now it is basically whoever panders more effectively wins.
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:sdeek:
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This has probably been said, so forgive me if I Luke this...
But, there is NO rough ridin' SUCK THING AS CONVINCING UNDECIDED VOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
There is only "MOTIVATING THE BASE."
Merely ask yourselves, who does the best job of scaring the crap out of their supporters, and that is who "won."
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Let's come back and fact check (LOL as if that matters to anyone), and see what was bullshit and what was right.
What I sort of respect about the "right" is that they do not give a eff, as long as they have more money. They will put up with ANYTHING, as long as there is another nickel in the bucket.
In a way, I really respect that consistency of purpose. It's just a shame that so, so many stupid poor people get dragged along unknowingly. Tip 'o the hat.....
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KU Basketball is the Republican party. KSU is the Democratic party.
KU does "whatever it takes" to win. KSU tries, haplessly, to do things the "right way."
Do-gooders loose.
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It's depressing to think how badly Gary Johnson would have clownsuited both these powertards. :frown:
Obama can't debate, and Romney just debates with lies and doubletalk.
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It's depressing to think how badly Gary Johnson would have clownsuited both these powertards. :frown:
Obama can't debate, and Romney just debates with lies and doubletalk.
blood bath.
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It's depressing to think how badly Gary Johnson would have clownsuited both these powertards. :frown:
Obama can't debate, and Romney just debates with lies and doubletalk.
blood bath.
It wouldn't even last 5 minutes
Johnson: Hey Obama, how come you campaigned against Iraq/Afghan, Patriot Act, Guantanimo, War on drugs, yet signed the NDAA into law, had drones bomb the eff out of the same(AND MORE!) middle east countries, and still let feds raid medical marijuana clinics?
Johnson: Hey Romney, (INSERT ANY TALKING POINT THAT HAS EVER COME OUT OF HIS MOUTH)
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KU Basketball is the Republican party. KSU is the Democratic party.
KU does "whatever it takes" to win. KSU tries, haplessly, to do things the "right way."
Do-gooders loose.
While I don't want to speak for them, I would imagine the residents of Afghanistan and Pakistan who wake up dead wouldn't call Obama a do- gooder
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It was a very good debate for Mitt. If you really think about the things he said related to giving a revenue-neutral tax cut at an unspecified amount, increasing funding for the military, and making no cuts to entitlements, none of it makes any sense at all, though. I thought it was nice that Obama actually used some numbers that make at least a little bit of sense for people who are capable of working basic math.
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KU Basketball is the Republican party. KSU is the Democratic party.
KU does "whatever it takes" to win. KSU tries, haplessly, to do things the "right way."
Do-gooders loose.
You sound just like David Plouffe last night. It's apparent Mitt was the winner when the left resorts to crap like this justifying Obama's poor showing.
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KU Basketball is the Republican party. KSU is the Democratic party.
KU does "whatever it takes" to win. KSU tries, haplessly, to do things the "right way."
Do-gooders loose.
You sound just like David Plouffe last night. It's apparent Mitt was the winner when the left resorts to crap like this justifying Obama's poor showing.
Yeah, this is a pretty bad time for big Obama fans.
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I thought Romney came off sounding like a moderate.
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I thought Romney came off sounding like a moderate.
yeah, he did do a pretty good job.
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I thought Romney came off sounding like a moderate.
A moderate that has on idea how to balance the budget with his idea of a health plan, military spending, etc.
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I'm excited about the next debate, I would imagine we'll get more firepower from the Obama side on the next one. It seems like the Obama camp expected Mitt to come out and shoot himself in the foot after the abortion of a campaign he has been running recently. When Mitt came out firing on target, Barry O seemed surprised and a bit unprepared.
A fact check on the debate would probably be interesting, but that's neither here nor there, since no voter really gives a crap.
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Romney's stumping on military spending is WTF
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so you're telling me that if you already wanted to vote for Obama, that he did a great job and Mitt sucked....and if you wanted to vote for Mitt, then he did a great job and Obama sucked.
:sdeek:
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so you're telling me that if you already wanted to vote for Obama, that he did a great job and Mitt sucked....and if you wanted to vote for Mitt, then he did a great job and Obama sucked.
:sdeek:
There isn't much debate (lol) that Romney won this round.
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so you're telling me that if you already wanted to vote for Obama, that he did a great job and Mitt sucked....and if you wanted to vote for Mitt, then he did a great job and Obama sucked.
:sdeek:
There isn't much debate (lol) that Romney won this round.
Yeah. Obama was surprisingly bad, and Mitt was very good.
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
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well i'm not going to vote but if i did, i'd vote for obama. also, i though mitt prob won last night.
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One of the things that is stupid about debates is that, for MOST people, they will never admit that the guy they hate won the debate because they think that equates to saying, "I am now voting for the other guy."
I am going to do my best to refrain from commenting on politics on this board. The main reason is that I actually think most of you have put more than an ounce of thought/time/energy into your current beliefs. With that in mind, and respecting that most of you are all intelligent people, I highly doubt you will be swayed by what someone (least of all some idiot that calls himself 'dobber') says on a message board.
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One of the things that is stupid about debates is that, for MOST people, they will never admit that the guy they hate won the debate because they think that equates to saying, "I am now voting for the other guy."
I am going to do my best to refrain from commenting on politics on this board. The main reason is that I actually think most of you have put more than an ounce of thought/time/energy into your current beliefs. With that in mind, and respecting that most of you are all intelligent people, I highly doubt you will be swayed by what someone (least of all some idiot that calls himself 'dobber') says on a message board.
Now I'm interested.
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
OK Cat
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
because i agree with what he said? :dunno:
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
because i agree with what he said? :dunno:
That isn't how you score a debate.
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
because i agree with what he said? :dunno:
That isn't how you score a debate.
do tell, john "teach me how to" dougie.
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Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.
Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.
Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.
Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.
Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.
Obama again said he’d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the “rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.” Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama’s health care law.
Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have “seen their income come down by $4,300.” That’s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama’s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.
Obama again touted his “$4 trillion” deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.
Both guys have some good ammunition.
If obama hammers on Mitt's debt reduction plan he's toast.
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
because i agree with what he said? :dunno:
That isn't how you score a debate.
do tell, john "teach me how to" dougie.
Style and refutation count. Obama had very little of both. Just seemed to read off liberal blog points.
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I was a little bit surprised that Mitt went after Obama so hard for taking measures to reduce the federal deficit. He's all but saying that when he's president, he's going to spend more than Obama.
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
how so?
because i agree with what he said? :dunno:
That isn't how you score a debate.
do tell, john "teach me how to" dougie.
Style and refutation count. Obama had very little of both. Just seemed to read off liberal blog points.
so you say that mitt won because you agreed with him and didn't like what Obama said. Gotcha. :thumbs:
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i really don't get into politics so somebody explain this to me...
the republicans seem to hate the federal government and federal government spending but they also seem to fully support DoD and pretty much giving them a blank check. i don't get it. what am i not getting?
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i really don't get into politics so somebody explain this to me...
the republicans seem to hate the federal government and federal government spending but they also seem to fully support DoD and pretty much giving them a blank check. i don't get it. what am i not getting?
It's the great GOP hypocrisy
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Cut spending, cut spending, send a man to Mars, cut spending....
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i really don't get into politics so somebody explain this to me...
the republicans seem to hate the federal government and federal government spending but they also seem to fully support DoD and pretty much giving them a blank check. i don't get it. what am i not getting?
It's the great GOP hypocrisy
Pretty much, but I think it's more complicated than that.
Lots of DOD spending goes to the private sector, high paying science and engineering jobs (kinda like NBAF). And, like NASA or whatever, the public does benefit from technologies developed in DOD research grants and contracts. Like the technology in Wii or XBOX Kinect, that was DOD money. That's just an example, take it FWIW.
Secondly, DOD spending does a lot to make sure that the US dollar remains the world's default currency. You can do your own research but if we weren't spending so much there, there's a better chance the USD loses it's prominence.
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
I know, but Republicans just eat that crap up
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Yes, one of Romney's chief complaints is that Obama is not bombing enough brown people.
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
I should have elaborated. This issue is "THE Great GOP Hypocrisy"
There's nothing to get, because it's nonsense.
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i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
there isn't a coherent logical underpinning to either the dems or the pubs collection of policy preferences. think of it more like a randomly shuffled deck of policy cards that each side got dealt. each card is believed independently and doesn't require logical consistency with the other cards in their hand.
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Yes, one of Romney's chief complaints is that Obama is not bombing enough brown people.
Seems odd considering Obama is bombing the bad ones and the ones who just happen to not run fast enough.
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I was a little bit surprised that Mitt went after Obama so hard for taking measures to reduce the federal deficit. He's all but saying that when he's president, he's going to spend more than Obama.
When did he say that last night? Shoot me the link
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
You don't know much aboput politics. it's ok bud.
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i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
there isn't a coherent logical underpinning to either the dems or the pubs collection of policy preferences. think of it more like a randomly shuffled deck of policy cards that each side got dealt. each card is believed independently and doesn't require logical consistency with the other cards in their hand.
thanks. maybe that's why i just don't really pay attention to politics. the inconsistencies would drive me absolutely insane. prob better off not thinking about it and focusing on travel, points, etc instead.
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These debates are a bullshit farce without my girl jill on stage.
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I was a little bit surprised that Mitt went after Obama so hard for taking measures to reduce the federal deficit. He's all but saying that when he's president, he's going to spend more than Obama.
When did he say that last night? Shoot me the link
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romney-takes-medicare-fight-obama_653564.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romney-takes-medicare-fight-obama_653564.html)
http://nation.time.com/2012/10/04/debating-military-matters/ (http://nation.time.com/2012/10/04/debating-military-matters/)
Spending less on an entitlement like medicare just seems like it would be a position republicans favor to me, and why on earth would we not cut defense spending when we are winding down 2 wars? Romney wants to provide 4% of the GDP to the DOD, which would increase their budget by $2 trillion.
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
I know, but Republicans just eat that crap up
The only advantage I saw to Obama getting elected was to end the war in Afghanistan (Bush had already implemented a plan to withdraw from Iraq).
Obama could have just ended it when he first took office as he promised during his campaign, and then he had a golden opportunity after they capped OBL to say "We accomplished our goal, we are out of here!". I guess he just likes bombing brown people. :opcat:
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
I know, but Republicans just eat that crap up
The only advantage I saw to Obama getting elected was to end the war in Afghanistan (Bush had already implemented a plan to withdraw from Iraq).
Obama could have just ended it when he first took office as he promised during his campaign, and then he had a golden opportunity after they capped OBL to say "We accomplished our goal, we are out of here!". I guess he just likes bombing brown people. :opcat:
Well yeah clearly Barry has some sick obsession with bombing brown people with robots. Why dont Rs give him credit though? His foreign policy is exactly what they want it to be, but the Rs wont give Barry credit because he has a (D) next to his name and hes black
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i thought Obama won easily. :dunno:
You don't know much aboput politics. it's ok bud.
i like obama, i don't like romney. :dunno:
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
I know, but Republicans just eat that crap up
The only advantage I saw to Obama getting elected was to end the war in Afghanistan (Bush had already implemented a plan to withdraw from Iraq).
Obama could have just ended it when he first took office as he promised during his campaign, and then he had a golden opportunity after they capped OBL to say "We accomplished our goal, we are out of here!". I guess he just likes bombing brown people. :opcat:
Well yeah clearly Barry has some sick obsession with bombing brown people with robots. Why dont Rs give him credit though? His foreign policy is exactly what they want it to be, but the Rs wont give Barry credit because he has a (D) next to his name and hes black
This is pretty hypocritical. Obama absolutely wears them (foreign brown people) out. He bombs the ever living crap out of them. Civilians, kids, women, all bombed by drones in the middle of the night, but the republicans just ignore it. And when he invaded Pakistan and executed OBL, they were all "yawn"...but he invaded another country and killed some unarmed brown people! It is crap
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
I know, but Republicans just eat that crap up
The only advantage I saw to Obama getting elected was to end the war in Afghanistan (Bush had already implemented a plan to withdraw from Iraq).
Obama could have just ended it when he first took office as he promised during his campaign, and then he had a golden opportunity after they capped OBL to say "We accomplished our goal, we are out of here!". I guess he just likes bombing brown people. :opcat:
Well yeah clearly Barry has some sick obsession with bombing brown people with robots. Why dont Rs give him credit though? His foreign policy is exactly what they want it to be, but the Rs wont give Barry credit because he has a (D) next to his name and hes black
Obama's media has made the war in Afghanistan a non-issue for everyone. Outta sight, outta mind. 4 years ago, it was story #1 every day, now it's blurbs on page 22.
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USD will lose its prominence thanks to Ben Bernanke. DOD spending just ends in more bombs over Baghdad. Republicans love bombing brown people
Obama is the one bombing brown people. :opcat:
I know, but Republicans just eat that crap up
The only advantage I saw to Obama getting elected was to end the war in Afghanistan (Bush had already implemented a plan to withdraw from Iraq).
Obama could have just ended it when he first took office as he promised during his campaign, and then he had a golden opportunity after they capped OBL to say "We accomplished our goal, we are out of here!". I guess he just likes bombing brown people. :opcat:
Well yeah clearly Barry has some sick obsession with bombing brown people with robots. Why dont Rs give him credit though? His foreign policy is exactly what they want it to be, but the Rs wont give Barry credit because he has a (D) next to his name and hes black
Obama's media has made the war in Afghanistan a non-issue for everyone. Outta sight, outta mind. 4 years ago, it was story #1 every day, now it's blurbs on page 22.
Yeah, it's sickening. I would vote for Mitt if he wanted to withdraw all of our troops from Afghanistan and cut the defense budget.
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
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Al Gore blames the atmosphere (again) for Obama's poor showing. :shakesfist:
"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today — just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
I agree calling out PBS was stupid. The point you are making is absolutely right. Calling out PBS was him trying to act like he is going be tough on spending when he actually isn't. They probably chose PBS just because it's something that everybody knows about but almost nobody would be impacted personally by cutting it's funding.
If you can think of a better example of something that gets government funding and everyone knows about, but would have minimal impact on voters if it's cut, the Repubs would like you to share so they can use it in the next debate.
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rick daris: they are magicians, misdirection and illusion are their entire playbook
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
Because there will be dumbasses out there that hear "450 million dollar cut" and think that it is a lot of money, despite the fact that we are running a deficit over 2000 times that.
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so predictable, but i still laughed really hard at this
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you know what's going to cost usa tax payers a crap ton of money over the next sixty years that nobody really talks about? the number of active duty military who are currently and have been getting out of the military since these wars started who have, are currently and will be filing claims for physically related issues that they incurred while "on duty". oh man. you want to talk big birds and snufalopaguses?
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you know what's going to cost usa tax payers a crap ton of money over the next sixty years that nobody really talks about? the number of active duty military who are currently and have been getting out of the military since these wars started who have, are currently and will be filing claims for physically related issues that they incurred while "on duty". oh man. you want to talk big birds and snufalopaguses?
Totally but for some reason Obama still wages war relentlessly, creating thousands more. I really thought he was going to end it? Fool me once I guess.
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
It had been reported earlier and kind of a big deal was made of it. I think Romney's campaign wanted it out during the debate to make sure everyone knew that Jim Lehrer may have a vested interest in Romney losing the debate.
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I didn't watch the debate, but who won? Did fascism with an R next to it win, or fascism with a D next to it?
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
It had been reported earlier and kind of a big deal was made of it. I think Romney's campaign wanted it out during the debate to make sure everyone knew that Jim Lehrer may have a vested interest in Romney losing the debate.
I agree, and that's just ridiculous. I think the average viewer is well aware that Jim Lehrer has far more integrity than either candidate.
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
It had been reported earlier and kind of a big deal was made of it. I think Romney's campaign wanted it out during the debate to make sure everyone knew that Jim Lehrer may have a vested interest in Romney losing the debate.
I agree, and that's just ridiculous. I think the average viewer is well aware that Jim Lehrer has far more integrity than either candidate.
Perhaps, but Lehrer did try to lead Obama a couple of times when it looked like he was stuck, but I think he may have just been feeling sorry for him and wanted to help.
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so nobody has still explained it. i mean, romney brings up cutting federal funding to freaking pbs in a national debate, but would have no problem giving DoD whatever they want and pubs cheer nationwide.
i don't get it. admittedly, i'm insanely dumb about this so tell me what i'm not getting. i'm sure there's plenty.
2.92 million in the US military between active and reserves. Buying votes. No different than liberals buying votes with other government programs and trying to push through pro-union legislation. Try to figure out what portions of the population you can get to vote for you and give them monetary incentives to vote for you.
Both of these guys have no problem Greeceing us and future generations if it means they get/keep power. Only difference is one tries to act like he's not doing it and the other is pandering the people who don't give a crap because they assume someone else will keep paying for it no problem.
ok. but i mean, it's more than that though isn't it? i mean that's great if he wants to buy DoD type votes by supporting defense funding and all the people that benefit from it. which are much more than just active duty and reserve soldiers btw, but why call out pbs? that seemed weird and out of place.
the gov't gave around 450 million last year to the corporation for public broadcasting. of that 450, prob half went to radio type stuff and half went to tv type stuff. of the half that went to tv type stuff, much less went to pbs and "big bird". conversely, the federal government spent somewhere around 900 billion last year on defense funding. now some of that money is for veterans as well as foreign military and economic aid.
that means that we spent roughly 2,000 times as much last year on defense funding as we did towards the corporation for public broadcasting which is the parent company of pbs.
i mean wtf? like why bother singling pbs out? i don't get it. we spend .0005 of a percent on public boadcasting as a whole as we do on defense and way, way less than that on pbs. seems so weird i don't get it. yet that was a focal point of romney's message last night.
any thoughts?
It had been reported earlier and kind of a big deal was made of it. I think Romney's campaign wanted it out during the debate to make sure everyone knew that Jim Lehrer may have a vested interest in Romney losing the debate.
I agree, and that's just ridiculous. I think the average viewer is well aware that Jim Lehrer has far more integrity than either candidate.
Perhaps, but Lehrer did try to lead Obama a couple of times when it looked like he was stuck, but I think he may have just been feeling sorry for him and wanted to help.
He also let Romney have the last word whether he spoke first on a topic or not. Lehrer did an excellent job of moving forward enough to briefly touch on all the topics, but spend more time on the topics that the candidates disagreed on.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
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Pro tip: mitt isn't cutting PBS.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
A debate is supposed to let both sides speak their positions, not the bossiest. JL should have shut Romney down a few times but he didn't so Obama should have adapted instead of making weird expressions.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
A debate is supposed to let both sides speak their positions, not the bossiest. JL should have shut Romney down a few times but he didn't so Obama should have adapted instead of making weird expressions.
I liked it. They both had their bossy moments, but yeah, it's like Obama didn't know he was on split screen.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
A debate is supposed to let both sides speak their positions, not the bossiest. JL should have shut Romney down a few times but he didn't so Obama should have adapted instead of making weird expressions.
I liked it. They both had their bossy moments, but yeah, it's like Obama didn't know he was on split screen.
Don't get too cocky, I doubt Obama shows up this unprepared next one.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
A debate is supposed to let both sides speak their positions, not the bossiest. JL should have shut Romney down a few times but he didn't so Obama should have adapted instead of making weird expressions.
I liked it. They both had their bossy moments, but yeah, it's like Obama didn't know he was on split screen.
Don't get too cocky, I doubt Obama shows up this unprepared next one.
I know. He'll be much more animated and combative and try to make it about Romney, but he still has to defend his record as president, and that's a tough position to be in with an economy that has been slowing over the last 3 years. Bottom line, more people are out of work now than when he took office, average incomes are down, tax increases are looming, healthcare costs are up, still at war, borrowing 40 cents of every dollar, hasn't passed a budget, trillion dollar deficits, blames bush, etc, etc, etc.
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he still has to defend his record as president, and that's a tough position to be in with an economy that has been slowing over the last 3 years. Bottom line, more people are out of work now than when he took office, average incomes are down, tax increases are looming, healthcare costs are up, still at war, borrowing 40 cents of every dollar, hasn't passed a budget, trillion dollar deficits, blames bush, etc, etc, etc.
i heard some focus group discussing who won, why and what they liked on one of the cable channels. "i didn't like it when the president kept telling the governor about the five billion", "president obama didn't seem like he was listening, that's what's wrong with this country", "governor romney blinked a lot, he didn't seem comfortable".
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
A debate is supposed to let both sides speak their positions, not the bossiest. JL should have shut Romney down a few times but he didn't so Obama should have adapted instead of making weird expressions.
Obama talked for 4 more minutes than Romney.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
A debate is supposed to let both sides speak their positions, not the bossiest. JL should have shut Romney down a few times but he didn't so Obama should have adapted instead of making weird expressions.
Obama talked for 4 more minutes than Romney.
HEard that stat. Seems amazing.
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Romney said more words. I think it was something like 29 lies in 38 minutes of jabbering at Obama, calling him boy, etc.
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he still has to defend his record as president, and that's a tough position to be in with an economy that has been slowing over the last 3 years. Bottom line, more people are out of work now than when he took office, average incomes are down, tax increases are looming, healthcare costs are up, still at war, borrowing 40 cents of every dollar, hasn't passed a budget, trillion dollar deficits, blames bush, etc, etc, etc.
i heard some focus group discussing who won, why and what they liked on one of the cable channels. "i didn't like it when the president kept telling the governor about the five billion", "president obama didn't seem like he was listening, that's what's wrong with this country", "governor romney blinked a lot, he didn't seem comfortable".
sometimes, when I'm feeling down. I think "at least I'm not as dumb as those morons." Then I look around and realize that the irony is I have to interact with those morons for the rest of my life.
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he still has to defend his record as president, and that's a tough position to be in with an economy that has been slowing over the last 3 years. Bottom line, more people are out of work now than when he took office, average incomes are down, tax increases are looming, healthcare costs are up, still at war, borrowing 40 cents of every dollar, hasn't passed a budget, trillion dollar deficits, blames bush, etc, etc, etc.
i heard some focus group discussing who won, why and what they liked on one of the cable channels. "i didn't like it when the president kept telling the governor about the five billion", "president obama didn't seem like he was listening, that's what's wrong with this country", "governor romney blinked a lot, he didn't seem comfortable".
sometimes, when I'm feeling down. I think "at least I'm not as dumb as those morons." Then I look around and realize that the irony is I have to interact with those morons for the rest of my life.
My dad's go-to line for this is "Remember, their vote counts just as much as yours."
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he still has to defend his record as president, and that's a tough position to be in with an economy that has been slowing over the last 3 years. Bottom line, more people are out of work now than when he took office, average incomes are down, tax increases are looming, healthcare costs are up, still at war, borrowing 40 cents of every dollar, hasn't passed a budget, trillion dollar deficits, blames bush, etc, etc, etc.
i heard some focus group discussing who won, why and what they liked on one of the cable channels. "i didn't like it when the president kept telling the governor about the five billion", "president obama didn't seem like he was listening, that's what's wrong with this country", "governor romney blinked a lot, he didn't seem comfortable".
sometimes, when I'm feeling down. I think "at least I'm not as dumb as those morons." Then I look around and realize that the irony is I have to interact with those morons for the rest of my life.
My dad's go-to line for this is "Remember, their vote counts just as much as yours."
At first I was thinking in abstractions, then I started thinking about when I walked around canvassing for a moderate Republican in the primaries.
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This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhUI8ktHuw) is pretty much all you need to know about the debate.
Well, that and that KatKid's analytical "skills":
Mitt won here, but this debate wasn't decisive.
... still suck. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/08/gallup_romney_won_debate_by_52_percent_draws_even_in_national_polls_.html)
Gallup's latest survey shows just how overwhelmingly the American public thought Mitt Romney bested President Obama onstage in Denver last Wednesday: 72 percent of debate watchers gave the win to the GOP challenger with only 20 percent seeing the president as the winner.
That 52-point gap was the largest the polling outfit has ever seen, topping even Bill Clinton's 42-point margin over George H. W. Bush in 1992.
It was very clearly an ass kicking of biblical proportions.
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Jokes on you, because we don't even BELIEVE in the bible!
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Jokes on you, because we don't even BELIEVE in the bible!
Koranical proportions?
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I think that happened during the primaries, and for some weird reason, Romney won.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I don't disagree that a third option would be great, but that isn't at all what this sounds like. This sounds like a mockery of an exchange of ideas.
"Mr Candidate, what is your plan for the economy"
"To fix it..."
"I'm sorry, your out of time. Mr. President, your rebuttal?"
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I think that happened during the primaries, and for some weird reason, Romney won.
He won because the sheep were told that he won
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I think that happened during the primaries, and for some weird reason, Romney won.
He won because the sheep were told that he won
Ron Paul is not ever going to win a republican primary because he his not a republican. He's been much more successful at hijacking the republican party than I ever dreamed he could be, but until the libertarian party gets organized to a level that can overcome the forces that are shutting them out of the funding and exposure the other two parties enjoy, we are not going to see a libertarian president.
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I think that happened during the primaries, and for some weird reason, Romney won.
He won because the sheep were told that he won
Ron Paul is not ever going to win a republican primary because he his not a republican. He's been much more successful at hijacking the republican party than I ever dreamed he could be, but until the libertarian party gets organized to a level that can overcome the forces that are shutting them out of the funding and exposure the other two parties enjoy, we are not going to see a libertarian president.
I agree
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I think that happened during the primaries, and for some weird reason, Romney won.
He won because the sheep were told that he won
Ron Paul is not ever going to win a republican primary because he his not a republican. He's been much more successful at hijacking the republican party than I ever dreamed he could be, but until the libertarian party gets organized to a level that can overcome the forces that are shutting them out of the funding and exposure the other two parties enjoy, we are not going to see a libertarian president.
I would love to see him try his hand on the Democrats in their primary. :pray:
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I thought Lehrer totally sucked. Didn't reign anyone in and Romney took huge advantage of it.
PS. If PBS get cut to hell, Jim will be just fine.
I liked that he didn't reel them in. It gave them a chance to expand on the subject and finish their explanations.
Yeah, I'm sure he's ready to retire KSU style, but I'm guessing he's pretty loyal to PBS.
Honestly, I wish they were all like this and that they lasted much longer. The short time limits are too easy to fill with practiced bullshit. If they were given plenty of time to respond back and forth on the topics we would all soon see what their real thoughts were, or who is an idiot and who isn't. Debates are pretty worthless imo. Not enough time to discuss detail of plans that are really big and require a lot of detail to actually work.
It almost sounds like we should allow a third party candidate to debate
I think that happened during the primaries, and for some weird reason, Romney won.
He won because the sheep were told that he won
Ron Paul is not ever going to win a republican primary because he his not a republican. He's been much more successful at hijacking the republican party than I ever dreamed he could be, but until the libertarian party gets organized to a level that can overcome the forces that are shutting them out of the funding and exposure the other two parties enjoy, we are not going to see a libertarian president.
I would love to see him try his hand on the Democrats in their primary. :pray:
I would like to see that, too. It would be interesting. I think he's too old to run again in 4 years, though.
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Biden is kicking Ryan's ass.
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Joe is doing fine, but he's laughing at inappropriate times, and it's a bit distracting.
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Joe is doing fine, but he's laughing at inappropriate times, and it's a bit distracting.
He's laughing appropriately.
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Joe Biden is the absolute best option for president. I could not love him more.
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Joe Biden is the absolute best option for president. I could not love him more.
We basically already have him as president! (he's the Animal!)
"I was there with Reagan and Tip O'Neil, we got a round a table, had a few cigars, cut some nuts and got crap done. Sit down kid."
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Ryan just got real on taxes.
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Joe just laughs. No response.
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Joe is floundering here.
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Joe is floundering here.
Which debate are you watching, Joe killed Ryan on taxes and particularly on his inability to explain how they can possibly pay for what they say they are paying for.
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Also this moderator is much better than Leher.
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hope the o's can pitch out of this, but it looks tough. also hope the debate's on a vid somewhere when the game's over.
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I think she's been fair.
The media is oing to say Joe won, but I think it was fairly even, I don't think either really stood out overall. Joe was much more emotional, which is what he does, and Ryan is the numbers guy, which is what he does.
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hope the o's can pitch out of this.
:ksu:
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Ryan finished strong, good debate overall.
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Ryan is itching to bomb Iran, I tuned out after that.
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
There was no standout in this debate, unlike the presidential debate. Don't be delusional.
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
There was no standout in this debate, unlike the presidential debate. Don't be delusional.
Biden stood out while being a hilarious douche, Ryan was just a douche who looked bad. It's the veep debate so it won't move the meter that much, but it was some pretty fantastic entertainment.
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
There was no standout in this debate, unlike the presidential debate. Don't be delusional.
This really bothers me because when half of what you say is made up, you don't get to say you were a "standout" that "won".
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
There was no standout in this debate, unlike the presidential debate. Don't be delusional.
This really bothers me because when half of what you say is made up, you don't get to say you were a "standout" that "won".
Oh, I agree it shouldn't be that way. But that's how things are and always have been to an extent. Debates have always been style over substance, it's just more pronounced now.
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
There was no standout in this debate, unlike the presidential debate. Don't be delusional.
This really bothers me because when half of what you say is made up, you don't get to say you were a "standout" that "won".
I assume you are talking about the Benghazi coverup, but you can't blame Biden for trying to hold the story line.
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Ryan's fake religious moment sealed it for Biden
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biden did everything but give him a swirlie. biden won. also, the other guy sounded kind of dumb when talking about troops overseas and defense spending.
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Joe is floundering here.
Which debate are you watching, Joe killed Ryan on taxes and particularly on his inability to explain how they can possibly pay for what they say they are paying for.
Pro-tip: neither can come close to paying for what they say they want to spend. They know this, but don't care because all they are doing is buying votes. None of the four participating in the debates actually gives 2 shits about America's citizens or it's future.
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I think the worse pandering is to military. It needs to be cut.
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Only a mouth breathing yokel could possibly think "joe" won that debate. At best he sounded like an msnbc pundit, realistically he sounded like a drunk guy arguing politics at a bar in coffeyville, ks. He looked like the baffoon we all knew he already was. The fact that Ryan absolutely clowned him on foreign policy, Joe's strong suit, tells you all you really need to know.
Hilarious that the libs we all up in arms about style over substance a week ago, now their fawning over a braggadocios inappropriate loud mouth regurgitating boring blogotalking points.
Also, that Martha lady creeps me out a bit.
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Ryan looked like a complete rube
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biden did everything but give him a swirlie. biden won. also, the other guy sounded kind of dumb when talking about troops overseas and defense spending.
whatever you say rick "democrat" daris
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obama, a president and presidential candidate turned in one of the worst debating performances of the last quarter century, in front of a huge audience, and it appears to have made about a (likely temporary) 3% difference among likely voters.
this debate had neither of the above two factors. it isn't going to make a 0.1% difference by the time the elections roll around. and it wouldn't have even if one of the two had been embarrassing.
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Sys still wears a Nixon-Cabot button to work on Friday.
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Sys still wears a Nixon-Cabot button to work on Friday.
i have no idea what that means, which i suppose is a victory for you. enjoy.
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Ryan comes off so badly. He should as to do the next debate on the radio.
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Ryan comes off so badly. He should as to do the next debate on the radio.
You debates are on the radio, tard.
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I think the worse pandering is to military. It needs to be cut.
obama is right in the middle of cutting the absolute crap out of it. no more free handouts for the three million DoD employees and active duty military if he's the president. romney would continue and increase the handouts and subsidizing though.
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Ryan comes off so badly. He should as to do the next debate on the radio.
You debates are on the radio, tard.
Exclusively for that awkward weenie.
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I don't understand what Limestone is trying to do here, and I really don't care.
#vpdebate
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how 'bout dem o's, hon?
:ksu: :crossfingers:
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whole lot of FSD butthurt going on here.
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whole lot of FSD butthurt going on here.
Indeed. He must be completely stunned by half of this country's elections.
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how 'bout dem o's, hon?
:ksu:
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FSD thinks the Yankees just won
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whole lot of FSD butthurt going on here.
Was a butthurt thing to say
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Dems are celebrating, 'Pubs are saying it's a tie and/or Biden was TOO MEAN. It's the same dynamic as last week, but the parties are switched. Call this one for Biden. (Yes, Biden was more sarcastic/demeaning than Romney was. Doesn't matter.)
There was no standout in this debate, unlike the presidential debate. Don't be delusional.
This really bothers me because when half of what you say is made up, you don't get to say you were a "standout" that "won".
I assume you are talking about the Benghazi coverup, but you can't blame Biden for trying to hold the story line.
I'm speaking about Romney. I haven't watched this one yet.
Honestly, I may not. Paul Ryan isn't worth my time and never has been.
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obama/biden- "hey, we've got an idea. the united states federal government spends way, way too much money on defense and employs way too many defense related employees. let's save some money by cutting a lot here."
romney/other guy- "no way. sounds horrible."
fake sugar dick- "man oh man. looks like romney and the other guy win another debate."
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:sdeek:
This isn't going to end well for RD. Too bad, he's one of my favs.
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:sdeek:
This isn't going to end well for RD. Too bad, he's one of my favs.
ridiculous. it always ends well for me.
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fsd is worse than a lot of the people on my fb feed
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Early polling confirms Sugar Dick is right again.
goEMAW losers remain losery, confused and butthurt about Sugar Dick and his control over their feeble minds.
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Early polling confirms Sugar Dick is right again.
goEMAW losers remain losery, confused and butthurt about Sugar Dick and his control over their feeble minds.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/14378909-did-the-vice-presidential-debate-do-anything-to-influence-who-you-will-support-in-the-election?lite
its almost like I can find a partisan site to back up any side!
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I wish there were drunk Joe Bidens in coffeyville. I wish the whole town was nothing but drunk Joe Bidens. The demo derby at the fair would be a-maze-ing. Nothing but t-top trans ams.
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Biden is an absolute stud. Ryan could be the biggest loser in politics. This thing was over before it began.
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa57.foxnews.com%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fimages%2Froot_images%2F0%2F0%2FSNICKERDOODLE_20121012_083623.jpg&hash=34672399f81ae914816376cd2f6d9717907b4664)
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Biden is an absolute stud. Ryan could be the biggest loser in politics. This thing was over before it began.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLH76f.jpg&hash=147f194dea23c558a823d830ed883013fb7d6dd3)
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Biden is an absolute stud. Ryan could be the biggest loser in politics. This thing was over before it began.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLH76f.jpg&hash=147f194dea23c558a823d830ed883013fb7d6dd3)
:lol: He's probably listening to Rage Against the Machine in that pic.
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Biden is an absolute stud. Ryan could be the biggest loser in politics. This thing was over before it began.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLH76f.jpg&hash=147f194dea23c558a823d830ed883013fb7d6dd3)
:lol: He's probably listening to Rage Against the Machine in that pic.
Led Zeppelin
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Biden's teeth.....are those veneers or did he load up on some Crest White Strips?
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
the united states dept of defense is the largest employer in the world, so there's also that. it's all about jobs and the republicans appear to want nothing more than to tax it's citizens so that they can then employ them.
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
the united states dept of defense is the largest employer in the world, so there's also that. it's all about jobs and the republicans appear to want nothing more than to tax it's citizens so that they can then employ them.
Doesn't the DOD also buy tons of incredibly expensive technology from private contractors who in turn make huge donations to the politicians who are awarding those contracts?
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
the united states dept of defense is the largest employer in the world, so there's also that. it's all about jobs and the republicans appear to want nothing more than to tax it's citizens so that they can then employ them.
Doesn't the DOD also buy tons of incredibly expensive technology from private contractors who in turn make huge donations to the politicians who are awarding those contracts?
oh well yeah. obviously. was just also adding that the dept of defense is basically a welfare system at this point in that it is taxing americans to provide 3-4 million "jobs" as well.
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
Obviously meant everyone except companies/people that directly financially benefit from a bigger DOD. Of coure they want it as big as possible. Just hate when the "we will be less safe if we cut defense" argument is made as it was last night by Ryan. Yeah I'm sure other countries would attack us if our defense spending was only as big as the next 15 countries combined as opposed to 17 countries combined. You can't be serious about being deficit neutral unless you put defense cuts on the table IMO.
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
Obviously meant everyone except companies/people that directly financially benefit from a bigger DOD. Of coure they want it as big as possible. Just hate when the "we will be less safe if we cut defense" argument is made as it was last night by Ryan. Yeah I'm sure other countries would attack us if our defense spending was only as big as the next 15 countries combined as opposed to 17 countries combined. You can't be serious about being deficit neutral unless you put defense cuts on the table IMO.
Agreed with everything. We could do a lot of cutting and still be able to defend if Canada attacked.
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
So those 2.1 million people should just stay on the government teat?
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
So those 2.1 million people should just stay on the government teat?
They are producers, not leaches.
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lol
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
So those 2.1 million people should just stay on the government teat?
that's the republican mindset. i'm just hopeful that obama can win again and continue to cut taxpayer money that is being funneled to this at sickening pace.
agree with john dougie that they are "good, high paying jobs". once someone gets one i guarantee they'll never want to leave it. cushy, overpaid, underworked, etc. it's a scheme and the american taxpayer is getting screwed. so glad obama is trying to shut it down.
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I rough ridin' knew I should have majored in missile design, but my parents were all "You'll never get a good job with that degree." Thanks alot mom and dad. :curse:
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This is just effing stupid, don't see how anyone can disagree.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/06/military-spending
Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed etc. disagree.
the united states dept of defense is the largest employer in the world, so there's also that. it's all about jobs and the republicans appear to want nothing more than to tax it's citizens so that they can then employ them.
Doesn't the DOD also buy tons of incredibly expensive technology from private contractors who in turn make huge donations to the politicians who are awarding those contracts?
Contractors make max donations to both parties.
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Also, you could cut a crap ton of defense spending without cutting a lot of jobs.
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Also, you could cut a crap ton of defense spending without cutting a lot of jobs.
Yes. The US government is the most wasteful and inefficient entity on earth.
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Also, you could cut a crap ton of defense spending without cutting a lot of jobs.
Yes. The US government is the most wasteful and inefficient entity on earth.
*except for DoD employees
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
I thought the Gov sucked at everything?
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
I thought the Gov sucked at everything?
Pretty much. We effed it up big time.
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can you imagine how efficient and jobs-generating a private dod would be? :love:
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can you imagine how efficient and jobs-generating a private dod would be? :love:
I think we should try it with education first. The results can't be any worse. :driving:
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The DOD is much more efficient at producing good, high paying, jobs than any government stimulus could ever dream. $110 billion reduction over 2 years would cost 2.1 million jobs, according to University of Maryland (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42763.pdf). We spent nearly $1 trillion over 4 years for 4.5 million full and part time jobs that barely cover the population increase. I agree there is waste in the DOD, but the cuts to be targeted to find the inefficiencies, just like with all government departments.
So those 2.1 million people should just stay on the government teat?
that's the republican mindset. i'm just hopeful that obama can win again and continue to cut taxpayer money that is being funneled to this at sickening pace.
agree with john dougie that they are "good, high paying jobs". once someone gets one i guarantee they'll never want to leave it. cushy, overpaid, underworked, etc. it's a scheme and the american taxpayer is getting screwed. so glad obama is trying to shut it down.
This extends to all federal government jobs.
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can you imagine how efficient and jobs-generating a private dod would be? :love:
I think we should try it with education first. The results can't be any worse. :driving:
Why would you want to send your kid to a private school that has a ton of poor kids whose parents are on meth?
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can you imagine how efficient and jobs-generating a private dod would be? :love:
I think we should try it with education first. The results can't be any worse. :driving:
Why would you want to send your kid to a private school that has a ton of poor kids whose parents are on meth?
Because the teachers will be able to teach what the school's owner wants them to teach, and not what some government wonk wants.
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It's too bad these guys don't have to do it K-State National Championship Beth Mendenhall fast-talky style. They could cover a lot more ground and there would be less time for giggling.
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watched about half of it now. i like how biden mixes in personal statements of affection with insults. iirc, he did the same thing vs. palin re. mccain.
"my friend here, who i love, btw, may have just said the stupidest thing i've ever heard".
"virtually everything this guy, who is one of my best friends, says is a complete lie, and he knows it". -big smile.
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watched about half of it now. i like how biden mixes in personal statements of affection with insults. iirc, he did the same thing vs. palin re. mccain.
"my friend here, who i love, btw, may have just said the stupidest thing i've ever heard".
"virtually everything this guy, who is one of my best friends, says is a complete lie, and he knows it". -big smile.
I'm sure he's been on the other end of it enough to have that tactic perfected.
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Joe biden is a huge dumbass and he ran circles around ryan. i think palin put up a better attempt.
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Bullseye
Biden aimed to throw the Obama base a lifeline. He fed the Kos Kidz desperate need to see some fight, but at the cost of his remaining (and mostly notional) dignity. If you want a gibbering, snorting, mumbling clown with a rictus-grin locked on his mug a heartbeat away from controlling America's nuclear arsenal, Joe Biden's your guy.
Ryan aimed to meet the standard of gravitas and presence, to demonstrate to the fabled female/suburban/swing/moderate voters that he's not a scary granny-killing Terminator sent from the future to throw seniors into the snowbank. He had to demonstrate steadiness, stature and knowledge. Done and done.
The conventional wisdom this morning is that the debate was a tie. That conventional wisdom is (as is so often the case) dead wrong. Biden played to his base, trying to dig Obama out of the hole he's been trapped in since last week's debate trainwreck. Ryan played to the center, to the swing and to the late-engagers. The post-hoc coverage won't factor into their decisions: the pictures and Biden's mugging, drunk-uncle affect will. (Also, Biden opened several new, Costco-scale cans of worms for the Administration on the Libya scandal.)
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Rick Wilson?
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Edge-of-Panic
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Joe Biden would be the most badass hilarious president ever.
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Biden 2016!
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Joe Biden would be the most badass hilarious president ever.
Yes
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lulz at the people who think Ryan won. At times he looked like the college freshman speaking out his ass back from college for thanksgiving break sitting at the adult table (foreign policy, economy, tax cuts). At worse he looked like the same old neocon ideologue who can't explain how their partisan assault on American values actually plays to middle America (tax cuts, economy, personal freedom).
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Biden "won" this debate in the same way Gore kicked Bush's ass in their first debate back in 2000. He dominated his opponent but came across as an unlikeable dickface.
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lets talk about the war machine......lets talk about our debt and how we are going to solve it instead of telling us how much you love america and we need to adress our debt.......lol we all know another debt ceiling increase is on the way.. if not implosion is imminent. as ron paul said......with qe3 its the begining of the end.
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Oh man. Hillary bomb. The clintons are almost as awesome as the Bidens.
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Oh man. Hillary bomb. The clintons are almost as awesome as the Bidens.
Yes
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Oh man. Hillary bomb. The clintons are almost as awesome as the Bidens.
The buck stops down below all of them, way down there, somewhere, not sure with whom. :dubious:
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Oh man. Hillary bomb. The clintons are almost as awesome as the Bidens.
The buck stops down below all of them, way down there, somewhere, not sure with whom. :dubious:
We knew the attack was coming but let it happen so we can later bomb someone and explain it away as being the guys who planned the attack.
even I can see that and I don't read Richochet
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Took a nap, what did I miss.
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Mitt sounds terrible on this tax policy question.
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I don't like them not answering the question. eff these dildos. JILL STEIN 2012
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I hope they fight. Standing next to each other makes it possible.
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Mitt just got owned.
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
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He did not answer the how in any way.
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
His whole campaign is saying things people want to hear and not providing the how.
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
His whole campaign is saying things people want to hear and not providing the how.
Welcome to politics in the United States in 2012
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
His whole campaign is saying things people want to hear and not providing the how.
Let me tell you, I talked to a woman last month as I was out campaigning and she said [insert talking point that fits whatever they are talking about]
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If I was a question reader, I would say something different than what the original question is. I'd be like "Governor Romney, if you are elected, what would you do to make sure that we can have drinking fountains that have Hawaiian Punch in them, just like in that movie Mr. Deeds, and that all Americans have access to them?"
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If I was a question reader, I would say something different than what the original question is. I'd be like "Governor Romney, if you are elected, what would you do to make sure that we can have drinking fountains that have Hawaiian Punch in them, just like in that movie Mr. Deeds, and that all Americans have access to them?"
Get money. eff bitches. Pizza Hut.
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If I was a question reader, I would say something different than what the original question is. I'd be like "Governor Romney, if you are elected, what would you do to make sure that we can have drinking fountains that have Hawaiian Punch in them, just like in that movie Mr. Deeds, and that all Americans have access to them?"
Mic would be cut...apparently this can't be done for Obama or Romney...would love for their mics to just cut out when their time is up.
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Romney: um...
Obama: oo...
Romney: wait...
Obama: uhh...
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Does this lady moderating have a job tomorrow?
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buttholes.
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Romney: um...
Obama: oo...
Romney: wait...
Obama: uhh...
Lol
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Obama is a snake oil salesman. Pitiful.
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Obama is kicking Romney's ass.
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Obama is kicking Romney's ass.
he's doing a great job of directing everything away from his 1st 4 years in office
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Obama is kicking Romney's ass.
Wrong
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Rommers may have accidentally just pissed on the gun nuts.
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Romney's going to murder the person who told him Obama didn't mention the Ambassador's killing the day after.
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Romney blew his bounce
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i bet stunner finds these debates mesmerizing.
obama just won the debate, btw, with that "please proceed, governor". he should have stayed shut up and good looking though while romney stammered. coulda had a knockout, ended up with just a tko.
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People need to get married when they are pregnant, that will curb violence
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This whole AK-47 segment is exactly what's wrong with politics. Neither said anything that has a thing to do with the question. The question before, Romney goes off topic and Obama interrupts him so we can go onto the next question because Romney's off topic. At the end of this question Obama goes completely off topic, and when the moderator tries to stop him, he just keeps going.
:flush:
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Obama is kicking Romney's ass.
Wrong
No, it's absolutely correct. Romney looks like a complete dipshit.
Which, honestly, is what he is, so it's not surprising.
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They need like 5 fact checkers there onsite, anytime one of them says something false, the fact checkers stop the debate, and the candidate who lied has to drink.
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i bet stunner finds these debates mesmerizing.
obama just won the debate, btw, with that "please proceed, governor". he should have stayed shut up and good looking though while romney stammered. coulda had a knockout, ended up with just a tko.
A real Alpha wouldn't look like he cared so much.
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... I like politicians a lot more when they aren't talking. This crap stinks. Neither are impressing me whatsoever. :flush:
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Just to confirm, somewhere around the one hour mark, Romney essentially conscripted the children of illegals into the military in exchange for citizenship, right?
I'm pretty sure I caught that on NPR when I went to get some donuts and coffee.
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Who is better suited to improve the economy?
A career politician or a businessman who is political minded?
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I mean, I get some of you don't like Romney, I get it, he's a tool. But you guys don't actually like Obama do you? You don't actually think he's done anything good?
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Just to confirm, somewhere around the one hour mark, Romney essentially conscripted the children of illegals into the military in exchange for citizenship, right?
I'm pretty sure I caught that on NPR when I went to get some donuts and coffee.
He said that would be an option. It's also one of the two options in Obama's Dream Act.
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Obama is kicking Romney's ass.
Wrong
No, it's absolutely correct. Romney looks like a complete dipshit.
Which, honestly, is what he is, so it's not surprising.
I hope you don't believe most of what Barry spouts. An open mind suits voters well.
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Just to confirm, somewhere around the one hour mark, Romney essentially conscripted the children of illegals into the military in exchange for citizenship, right?
false, citizenship is already on the table for your country's mercenaries. romney told america that he could bargain the illegals down to permanent residency.
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Anybody who has watched this debate and believes the economy will be better under Obama than under Romney is a complete fool. hopeless.
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Anybody who has watched this debate and believes the economy will be better under Obama than under Romney is a complete fool. hopeless.
lol anyone who thanks it would be better under either is a fool. The Federal Reserve won another debate, and America lost again.
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Just to confirm, somewhere around the one hour mark, Romney essentially conscripted the children of illegals into the military in exchange for citizenship, right?
false, citizenship is already on the table for your country's mercenaries. romney told america that he could bargain the illegals down to permanent residency.
Good to know.
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Anybody who has watched this debate and believes the economy will be better under Obama than under Romney is a complete fool. hopeless.
lol anyone who thanks it would be better under either is a fool. The Federal Reserve won another debate, and America lost again.
Bernake should be in front of a firing squad.
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http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/scoreboard/
Romney selling off a bit.
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I mean, I get some of you don't like Romney, I get it, he's a tool. But you guys don't actually like Obama do you? You don't actually think he's done anything good?
I'll speak for myself.
I would put the following in the "good" category:
Health Care Reform
Foreign Policy (compared to Romney)
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Another strong showing from Mitt. These debates give him an opportunity to show how intelligent and yet compassionate he is. Which is, probably why he's spiking in favorability(passed B.O.) I also like how he blows up B.O.'s lies, strawmen and idiotic rhetoric. Doing the media's work for them.
B.O. was actually awake, so that was good for him, might even convince some wishful thinking partisan dems on this board to pine that he won. Whenever he talks for more than 30 seconds he starts to sound like a broken rheterobot, "education....good jobs for everyone...manufacturing back in the us...college for all...manufacturing jobs that are high paying (and require college??)...fair share". For someone who doesn't know any details about Romney's plans he seems to have lots of specific details and studies on them, which is weird because he seems to have no plan at all for anything other than raising taxes. You'd think he'd eventually want to bring that out. Completely dodged Libya and closing the debate championing free enterprise will certainty haunt him.
Two things they both royally mumped up was the question about women and pay, and the one about machine guns(didn't realize this was an issue this go round).
Overall, Mitt won the debate on style and substance, but B.O. probably won the says mean things to the other and hit more cable news talking points. Independents will probably continue flocking to Romney know that they know he's an acceptable alternative.
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Foreign Policy (compared to Romney)
:barf:
although you may be right. Romney will continue Obama's war on brown people and undoubtedly extend it into Iran, back into Iraq, and probably Palestine.
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Great job by the President. He had to come out and look like a President who cares, and he cleared that hurdle tonight. Now he's consolidated his support and the election will hinge on GOTV in the swing states, where the Obama campaign has a stronger organization.
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Another strong showing from Mitt. These debates give him an opportunity to show how intelligent and yet compassionate he is. Which is, probably why he's spiking in favorability(passed B.O.) I also like how he blows up B.O.'s lies, strawmen and idiotic rhetoric. Doing the media's work for them.
B.O. was actually awake, so that was good for him, might even convince some wishful thinking partisan dems on this board to pine that he won. Whenever he talks for more than 30 seconds he starts to sound like a broken rheterobot, "education....good jobs for everyone...manufacturing back in the us...college for all...manufacturing jobs that are high paying (and require college??)...fair share". For someone who doesn't know any details about Romney's plans he seems to have lots of specific details and studies on them, which is weird because he seems to have no plan at all for anything other than raising taxes. You'd think he'd eventually want to bring that out. Completely dodged Libya and closing the debate championing free enterprise will certainty haunt him.
Two things they both royally mumped up was the question about women and pay, and the one about machine guns(didn't realize this was an issue this go round).
Overall, Mitt won the debate on style and substance, but B.O. probably won the says mean things to the other and hit more cable news talking points. Independents will probably continue flocking to Romney know that they know he's an acceptable alternative.
You should prepare yourself for the over roughly 60% possibility Obama wins.
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#butthurt
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Two things they both royally mumped up was the question about women and pay, and the one about machine guns(didn't realize this was an issue this go round).
You clearly aren't a woman if you don't think that President Obama curbstomped Mitt on this one. Also, if you think that independent women voters would watch this and not take issue, you are mistaken.
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Great job by the President. He had to come out and look like a President who cares, and he cleared that hurdle tonight. Now he's consolidated his support and the election will hinge on GOTV in the swing states, where the Obama campaign has a stronger organization.
Ahhh, the "ground game", the dems last string of hope.
I'm thinking it's a little late to start registering and writing in bums and dead people for them. Too late for that, son. Also, ACORN is gone.
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Two things they both royally mumped up was the question about women and pay, and the one about machine guns(didn't realize this was an issue this go round).
You clearly aren't a woman if you don't think that President Obama curbstomped Mitt on this one. Also, if you think that independent women voters would watch this and not take issue, you are mistaken.
Didn't realize stellarcat was a woman. We'd love to hear more feminine feedback, stellarcat, do share m'lady.
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They both got really butthurt over time allotment. I think gottlieb would be a great moderator.
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In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a woman who will be voting for Obama. I do believe that the bumbling answer about the binder full of women and references to women being home to make dinner was off-putting to most. He doesn't support fair pay. Awesome.
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After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
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After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
He said, " No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
I knew that some people would play semantics.
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Good job everyone. Debating what Obama said in the Rose Garden one day. Christ.
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After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
He said, " No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
I knew that some people would play semantics.
He was speaking in general terms of earlier attacks at that point, but earlier in the speech he was more specific.
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts."
I also found it interesting that Crowley had the transcript on hand and that Obama asked her to confirm what he said.
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After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
He said, " No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
I knew that some people would play semantics.
He was speaking in general terms of earlier attacks at that point, but earlier in the speech he was more specific.
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts."
I also found it interesting that Crowley had the transcript on hand and that Obama asked her to confirm what he said.
yeah its almost like its a bullshit talking point that Republicans are running on.
Good God the conservatives we have here are hacks.... :facepalm:
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
His whole campaign is saying things people want to hear and not providing the how.
It absolutely goes both ways. I mean, Christ. Obama won an entire election in 08 on two words alone because that's all he had to do.
I DVR'd and just started it. Does Obama ever clarify any "THAT'S NOT TRUE"s or is it one of those things that is so deeply ingrained into his mind as fact that he doesn't feel that it's necessary to elaborate?
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
His whole campaign is saying things people want to hear and not providing the how.
It absolutely goes both ways. I mean, Christ. Obama won an entire election in 08 on two words alone because that's all he had to do.
I DVR'd and just started it. Does Obama ever clarify any "THAT'S NOT TRUE"s or is it one of those things that is so deeply ingrained into his mind as fact that he doesn't feel that it's necessary to elaborate?
It's exhausting trying to correct all of romney's (and the rights) lies.
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In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a woman who will be voting for Obama. I do believe that the bumbling answer about the binder full of women and references to women being home to make dinner was off-putting to most. He doesn't support fair pay. Awesome.
Oh look, fsd being a complete idiot moron bad person again. :facepalm:
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did not watch
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did not watch
Three seems like a lot. I would maybe watch if there was some role playing scenarios and they had to act out what they'd do. Or if they were hooked up to monitors and we could see their heart rate and blood pressure fluctuations. Or if there was a First Lady debate. Or if their kids had a sack race and a spelling bee as a tie breaker.
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In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a woman who will be voting for Obama. I do believe that the bumbling answer about the binder full of women and references to women being home to make dinner was off-putting to most. He doesn't support fair pay. Awesome.
On top of being off-putting, the anecdote was a lie (shocker).
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/the-binder-story-was-another-lie.html (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/the-binder-story-was-another-lie.html)
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lol at anyone suprised about politicians lying and stuff.
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Romney said we need to bring down cost of college. Did he say how?
His whole campaign is saying things people want to hear and not providing the how.
It absolutely goes both ways. I mean, Christ. Obama won an entire election in 08 on two words alone because that's all he had to do.
I DVR'd and just started it. Does Obama ever clarify any "THAT'S NOT TRUE"s or is it one of those things that is so deeply ingrained into his mind as fact that he doesn't feel that it's necessary to elaborate?
It's exhausting trying to correct all of romney's (and the rights) lies.
Well if Romney's statistics were so erroneous then surely it would be easy for Obama to correct him, no?
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lol at anyone suprised about politicians lying and stuff.
Yeah. People will selectively notice the lie told by their rival and rationalize the one told by their favorite.
Mitt's binder thing is funny, but Obama's "Rose Garden" thing is worse, IMO. But I'm biased toward my own interests and the people I work with, so I suppose I fall into the same traps.
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another awful debate.
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After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
He said, " No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
I knew that some people would play semantics.
He was speaking in general terms of earlier attacks at that point, but earlier in the speech he was more specific.
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts."
I also found it interesting that Crowley had the transcript on hand and that Obama asked her to confirm what he said.
She didn't have a transcript you dope. She did however do her homework, unlike Mitt.
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After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
He said, " No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
I knew that some people would play semantics.
He was speaking in general terms of earlier attacks at that point, but earlier in the speech he was more specific.
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts."
I also found it interesting that Crowley had the transcript on hand and that Obama asked her to confirm what he said.
She didn't have a transcript you dope. She did however do her homework, unlike Mitt.
But she was wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=athcyCTnTTs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=athcyCTnTTs)
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ECONOMIC INSIDERS: Is the budget deficit a meaningful economic measure? It's obviously important but is there a direct relationship between the economic health of our country when running surpluses vs. deficits?
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ECONOMIC INSIDERS: Is the budget deficit a meaningful economic measure? It's obviously important but is there a direct relationship between the economic health of our country when running surpluses vs. deficits?
It's only a problem for future generations. Party now! :party:
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What dumbass decided to have the final debate on at the same time as Monday Night Football??!? :shakesfist:
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Mods, can we get one of those "undecided voters" trend lines on the site during the games?
Would live to see how +++ everyone is after the Judge makes a ruling.
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ECONOMIC INSIDERS: Is the budget deficit a meaningful economic measure? It's obviously important but is there a direct relationship between the economic health of our country when running surpluses vs. deficits?
1,000 word post boils down to: It depends.
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Romney won this debate easily, sad really.
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Did I hear that correctly? Did the moderator refer to Osama by saying Obama?
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Also, I guess whoever wins:
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there was a debate tonight?
this is honestly the first i'm even hearing of it. :zzz:
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there was a debate tonight?
this is honestly the first i'm even hearing of it. :zzz:
First I've heard of it.
:dunno:
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Did not watch again
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Boring and uninformative debate. Nobody really cares about foreign policy right now. :zzz:
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What dumbass decided to have the final debate on at the same time as Monday Night Football??!? :shakesfist:
About 20 minutes into this debate I realized it was smart to schedule it at the same time as Monday Night Football. It was awful....Obama was better but it's probably not going to help him at all since nobody watched or cared.
Although I got a chuckle out of "The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back". I halfway expected Mitt to say "Well the Jerk Store called and they're running out of you!"
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Boring and uninformative debate. Nobody really cares about foreign policy right now. :zzz:
It's only the most important duty of the president. I fell asleep during the debate, so I don't know who won overall. I did like Obama's response to Romney claiming that our navy has less ships than we did in 1917 so we are less safe.
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romney is pretty darn set on raising our military spending a bunch.
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romney is pretty darn set on raising our military spending a bunch.
Yeah, it's like he doesn't think the budget deficit is a big deal or something.
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horse and bayonet stocks are anticipating a major bump on nov 6
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Obama has been all over the map, Romney will be all over the map . . . it's just going to be more chaos no matter who gets elected.
The endgame I fear is cloaked in the zeal of tired old words.
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romney is pretty darn set on raising our military spending a bunch.
This is the major thing i took away from watching the replay.
Do people out there really think we need to spend more money on defense but cut pbs? Very odd.
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romney is pretty darn set on raising our military spending a bunch.
This is the major thing i took away from watching the replay.
Do people out there really think we need to spend more money on defense but cut pbs? Very odd.
It's amazing. It's almost as amazing as the number of people who actually support increased security measures at airports.
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
It actually made Obama seem childish.
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
It actually made Obama seem childish.
I thought it really brought to light the incredible stupidity about Romney's concerns of our defense budget putting America in a dangerous position.
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
It actually made Obama seem childish.
I thought it really brought to light the incredible stupidity about Romney's concerns of our defense budget putting America in a dangerous position.
Nope. Serious people didn't appreciate the boyish condescending remarks. "we have ships that airplanes land on and boats that go underwater". Childish.
He was playing to his base.
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
It actually made Obama seem childish.
I love how the right wing claimed that Romney was being "strong, presidential" in the first debate while characterizing something similar from Obama in the second debate was "childish".
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
It actually made Obama seem childish.
I thought it really brought to light the incredible stupidity about Romney's concerns of our defense budget putting America in a dangerous position.
Nope. Serious people didn't appreciate the boyish condescending remarks. "we have ships that airplanes land on and boats that go underwater". Childish.
He was playing to his base.
Stupid talking points comparing raw military numbers today to those in 1917 should be met with stupid responses.
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I don't think we should try to restrict trade with China. At all, really, but I'd settle for not increasing restrictions.
Both candidates disagree with me. :frown:
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I think we should cut the deficit by nearly a trillion dollars by 2 years from now. Both candidates disagree with me, too. :frown:
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I don't think we should try to restrict trade with China. At all, really, but I'd settle for not increasing restrictions.
Both candidates disagree with me. :frown:
As I undertsand it (and it's possible I don't), it's tit for tat between the U.S. and China when it comes to trade restrictions, with each side claiming the other is trying to eff them over and that they're just trying to even the playing field in response. Point being, if China doesn't stop then the U.S. won't stop and vice versa, and it really doesn't look like the Chinamen are interested in stopping.
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I don't think we should try to restrict trade with China. At all, really, but I'd settle for not increasing restrictions.
Both candidates disagree with me. :frown:
As I undertsand it (and it's possible I don't), it's tit for tat between the U.S. and China when it comes to trade restrictions, with each side claiming the other is trying to eff them over and that they're just trying to even the playing field in response. Point being, if China doesn't stop then the U.S. won't stop and vice versa, and it really doesn't look like the Chinamen are interested in stopping.
That may be true, but there's plenty of cases where it isn't like that. The US restrictions on China that I've dealt with are based on US companies whining about China taking our jobs. But most of those jobs are already gone and never coming back and they'll just go to places like India or Vietnam or Indonesia instead. In fact many of the companies whining have already sent their jobs overseas and will never take them back, but we keep upholding restrictions just because.
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I didn't like Romney's statement that he'd call-out China on Day 1 if he were elected. Very GWB of him.
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Yeah, I don't really know what he wants to call them out on, other than maybe being Chinese and supporting our economy by buying US bonds.
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
It actually made Obama seem childish.
I thought it really brought to light the incredible stupidity about Romney's concerns of our defense budget putting America in a dangerous position.
Nope. Serious people didn't appreciate the boyish condescending remarks. "we have ships that airplanes land on and boats that go underwater". Childish.
He was playing to his base.
Stupid talking points comparing raw military numbers today to those in 1917 should be met with stupid responses.
I agree it was a dumb talking point, but the response was dumber.
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Yeah, I don't really know what he wants to call them out on, other than maybe being Chinese and supporting our economy by buying US bonds.
He said he was going to designate them as currency manipulators. Some are saying it would set off a trade war, but that seems a little suspect given the huge trade imbalance we already have. I don't know if this is the optimal time to do it, though. I like my cheap Chinese stuff.
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i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus. :lol:
I heard about this and was a little confused. Does Obama actually think the military doesn't use horses and bayonets anymore, or does he think that they use them in the Navy, just not as much as in 1917. Not sure where he got the idea anyone is advocating for more calvary and infantry, maybe he was playing Risk or something before the debate with his infantile press corp. Regardless, a real d-bag thing to say, which is pretty much the only type of things he says and the type of stuff butthurt partisans like OKCat, Rachel Maddow and that other androgynous character on msnbc eat up.
The consensus is he sounded like a real jerk and was offputting to the people he needs most to actually win this election. Beyond that, claiming he's not going to allow military funding to be cut will undoubtedly piss off the true liberals and further disincentivize them from voting in two weeks.
Seems like these debates couldn't have gone any better for Romney. All he had to do was appear like a human being capable of doing a slightly better job than the absolute worst president this country has seen perhaps ever. Mission Accomplished and then some.
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I'm not 100% sure FSD knows what consensus means.
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Risk is such a great game, but it takes too damn long to play :dubious:
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I'm not 100% sure FSD knows what consensus means.
i think goEMAW.com has reached a consensus on that, mcat
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I'm not 100% sure FSD knows what consensus means.
obviously
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the United States is the real currency manipulator. Romney is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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The governor of Virginia looks like a real dum dum arguing with Anderson Cooper over how insulted all Navy people should be over the "horses and bayonets" comment.
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Risk is such a great game, but it takes too damn long to play :dubious:
*nerd alert*
in high school i used to have people over to my house every night for a week for epic risk games.
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FR_bro on how bland Romney is:
"I bet even his magic underwear does nothing but balloon animals. And everything's a 5-point dog."
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Same foreign policies of bombing people... torturing people ....the military industrial complex will continue to run ...it doesnt matter who is president..they r just the frontmen. rebloodlican or democrip your getting the same basic policies but the rhetoric is twisted so the average american that doesnt pay much attention and the process just continues. we need real change people.. i mean is this country willing to go to war for these people? riots will happen in the streets if we try to start another war..
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Risk is such a great game, but it takes too damn long to play :dubious:
A long winter afternoon, some hot cocoa, and warm fire make it quite enjoyable.
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Risk is such a great game, but it takes too damn long to play :dubious:
A long winter afternoon, some hot cocoa, and warm fire make it quite enjoyable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_grid_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_grid_game)
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so similar it is scary... great choices. we are so mumped.
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So, now that it's quite clear Romney got about a 5 point bump from the debates, are there people out there that still think B.O. won the debates?
Probably, because about 35% of the country is "liberal" and every single one of them is a delusional irrational Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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So, now that it's quite clear Romney got about a 5 point bump from the debates, are there people out there that still think B.O. won the debates?
Probably, because about 35% of the country is "liberal" and every single one of them is a delusional irrational Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
1. The polling impact is one way to measure who won the debates. There are other metrics.
2. If Obama wins re-election will that make you a delusional irrational Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
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Probably, because about 35% of the country is "liberal" and every single one of them is a delusional irrational Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
Pretty sure anyone who classifies 35% of the population as delusional irrational retards has done quite a bit to prove that description about himself.
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Looks like we found two guys that certainly fit the "irrational" bill. KK point #1 also leans towards delusional.
:lol:
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Looks like we found two guys that certainly fit the "irrational" bill. KK point #1 also leans towards delusional.
:lol:
so debate results are determined by the majority of voters and there are no other ways they can be evaluated?
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Is the primary purpose of a presidential debate swaying voters? Seems like it probably is.
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Is the primary purpose of a presidential debate swaying voters? Seems like it probably is.
Is the only point of elections to win them?
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Is the only point of voting to select a winner?
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:lol:
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So, now that it's quite clear Romney got about a 5 point bump from the debates, are there people out there that still think B.O. won the debates?
that's not at all clear. the polling consensus is more consistent with a 4-5 point bump following the first debate that has since been ameliorated down to a lasting 2.5-3.5 point bump, either due to subsequent debates, or simply as potential voters have forgotten about the first debate over time.
that's pretty consistent with the media talking points on the debates - a crushing victory for romney in the first debate and narrow victories for obama in the second two.