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_FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« on: September 26, 2012, 11:52:06 AM »


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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 11:54:40 AM »
I thought this was super fun during the game. OU absolutely crap themselves whenever we showed this.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2012, 11:56:42 AM »
_FAN, I think some of your images were meant to have added circles, lines, etc.  In particular: #5 – Corner Route Against an Unconventional Defense

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2012, 11:58:55 AM »
_FAN, I think some of your images were meant to have added circles, lines, etc.  In particular: #5 – Corner Route Against an Unconventional Defense

Should be fixed now, I had the incorrect image in there.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2012, 12:01:48 PM »
Great stuff FAN, as always.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2012, 12:05:19 PM »
empty formation is nearly impossible to stop if you don't get a pass rush. SOMEONE is going to get open if they run the routes properly. and with our seemingly improved o-line, this is a great thing for us.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2012, 12:06:01 PM »
Excellent  :thumbs:

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2012, 12:14:47 PM »
Holy mother of our lord, our center absolutely destroyed the LB on Klein run #2.  :sdeek:

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2012, 12:19:10 PM »
I loved the designs on these passing plays while watching the game.  But i couldn't help but link it to line play.  Due to the differences in line play (when we had the ball) from a year ago we could block with 5 and flood the secondary with 5 receivers.  That created the one-on-one matchups we wanted.  In this case, it was Thompson or Lockett with a LB or safety.  Compare that two a year ago when we needed 7 or 8 to stay in and block 4-6 and "flood" OU's secondary with one or two receivers.  That is how having to max protect places limitations on your offense.  Offensive lineman like Hanson, Freeze, and Aufner couldn't handle Alexander, Ronnell Lewis, etc. a year ago.  They still would get to Klein with 4 being blocked by 7.  Not the case this year.

I laugh at the folks who say, "they didn't even attempt to pass rush"....yes, they didn't in some cases because they couldn't.  Last year they brought it because we didn't have the same capability we do this year.  This year they couldn't get there most of the time even if they tried so they were far more concerned about Klein burning them with his feet.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2012, 12:22:57 PM »
Defenses having to have a personnel group completely different than 80% of our snaps for a no back set has got to be a pain in the ass for them.  Not to mention us not being afraid to run out of it when they do put in 6 DBs.  Not to mention, I'm sure defenses wish we would go for the big play more often rather than the 4 or 5 yard runs consistently and kill the clock

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2012, 12:47:17 PM »
i only understand about 20% of these things but i love reading them


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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2012, 12:56:48 PM »
i only understand about 20% of these things but i love reading them

Yep.  Same here.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2012, 12:57:38 PM »
I remember watching the game live when Klein motioned Sexton in to block on play #5.  I was thinking no way in hell is Curry going to be able to block that guy twice his size, but he stuck his cleats in and did a good job. 

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2012, 12:57:39 PM »
Our offense is really good!   :sdeek:

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2012, 01:07:10 PM »
i only understand about 20% of these things but i love reading them
Excellent stuff.   :love: our offensive line.
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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 01:08:33 PM »
Just as we'd take Thompson on a safety one-on-one any day with those empty sets, the beauty of these empty sets is that it dramatically increases the odds of if/when Klein runs he is only facing a linebacker. Guaranteed 4 yds and I'm being modest.
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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 01:13:12 PM »
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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 01:13:55 PM »
It's nice having another WR with size out there in Torell Miller on these sets. I hope he shakes off the dropsies and comes out big against KU.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 01:16:15 PM »
FAN isn't this what Arkansas did to use in the cotton bowl, picking on the linebacker in coverage and other junk? Did Bill swagger jack some schemes? 

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 01:30:26 PM »
FAN isn't this what Arkansas did to use in the cotton bowl, picking on the linebacker in coverage and other junk? Did Bill swagger jack some schemes? 

The crossing route scheme, especially from #4, is similar to what Arkansas did a lot.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 02:04:59 PM »
Just to make sure I understand, we never showed an empty backfield until OU, correct?

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2012, 02:06:43 PM »
Just to make sure I understand, we never showed an empty backfield until OU, correct?

no we showed it before. i recall a few 4x1 sets vs. miami.

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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2012, 02:11:07 PM »
_Fan, have a question.  As it relates to our defense, can you explain why we couldn’t/didn’t/had a hard time adjusting to OU’s set where they lined up in shotgun set with the RB off set to the right, w/ twins to each side..motioned the RB to the side (moving AB with him)…the inside receiver(s) run a seam route or deep out, the outside receiver(s) runs a delay underneath but always stops outside of the hash.  We kinda got destroyed on this nearly every time they ran it.  I wasn’t sure why we couldn’t make the adjustment or what those routes were doing to our secondary that made it so difficult to adjust. 

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2012, 02:13:04 PM »
Just to make sure I understand, we never showed an empty backfield until OU, correct?

We went empty 5 times vs Miami.

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Re: _FANalysis #3 from OU: Empty Backfield Scheme
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2012, 02:14:20 PM »
Just to make sure I understand, we never showed an empty backfield until OU, correct?

We went empty 5 times vs Miami.

Were they all 4 x 1?  I remember thinking at the time that I don't remember seeing that last year.
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