You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[wabash909]

FITZ is a pretty stand up guy.  This was about "doing the right thing".

[unleashthemob]

I really hope we get a name in regards to where the leak came from, currie will get away with his sins but we need a sacrificial lamb.

this sounds like something Kellis might do..I don't trust that POS anywhere near our program

[ChiComCat]

Oh, I think it was most likely a violation.  I also think there is easily enough grey area there to where you can get away with playing him.

[Rams]

jttuck says its "hearsay".

So, Malone didn't wire Jamar $200, it is not understood that this may not have even been an NCAA violation, Jamar was NOT suspended for the game by the athletic department for doing something that MAY NOT have been an NCAA violation.   It was not reported that a 3rd party narc'd on Jamar when he received a wire transfer from Curtis Malone. 

Again, it's all "hearsay" according to jttuck.

I still think everyone reacted too early without any hard facts, but it looks like yours (Dax) and a lot of others on here initial reaction was right.  Just wanted to get that out there.  I still WANT to believe that Currie would do what he thought was the best thing for the university in the long run, but I also understand how naive that is.  If he can't find a way to make something as small as this go away and find a way to let Jamar play in what could be his last game, then he can GTFOOH. 

MIR is doing some solid work in this thread and making it really hard to defend Currie's actions.

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics. 

[Cire]

No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye

[EMAWesome]

if this comes off as a defense of currie, so be it, although that is not my intention.


1)  i'm sure the decision to sit samuels was not reached without some informal consultation with the ncaa.
2)  the worst case, not just for kstate, but for everyone, would have been samuels plays, kstate wins, samuels investigation finished in the ensuing 4 days with a determination that he should have been ineligible.  at that point, what happens?  i have can't imagine, because i've never heard of such a case.  syracuse plays?  wisconsin just advances without a game?  some alternate universe penalty imposed on kstate in lieu of their win being vacated?  i can't imagine that the ncaa would risk that sort of pr nightmare just to be fair to samuels.

I agree with both of these...I also am not trying to be a Currie apologist, or defender, because I completely agree with those that say he needs to have been in front of the media before/during/after that game explaining what he could about what was happening & why...even if he used the "this is an ongoing investigation and I really can't get into specifics," bit, he still could have said, "KSU stands behind Jamar Samuels blah blah blah." (of course, then if it is revealed that Samuels got $50k or something over his career - because you KNOW this will lead to the NCAA sniffing around it could look bad...both for HIM & KSU)

[AbeFroman]

No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye

Yeah, maybe if the probation was for drug dealing, or murder, or rampant payments to players ala SMU

but for $200? Nobody but squawks and tucks would care.

[Dugout DickStone]

Should be getting the Currie form email today.  Post what my reply should be.

[8manpick]

Should be getting the Currie form email today.  Post what my reply should be.

Dear John,

Please resign and/or kill yourself.

Love,
Limestone

[Rams]

No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye

No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
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Landing on probation would be bad and may be something that would take longer for KSU to recover from than a lot of other places, depending on the specifics of the probation.

Vacating wins would be an amazing badge of honor.  I'd kill a drifter if we were ever forced to "vacate wins."

[unleashthemob]

currie has always preached  transparency within the athletic department....should of be straight and upfront about this

[ChiComCat]

I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

[EMAWesome]

I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

[ChiComCat]

I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

In which case, we would be mumped anyways, so play him.

[Kat Kid]

I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

I can't take the morons any more.

[Stupid Fitz]

I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

I can't take the morons any more.

It is sad really

[Dr Rick Daris]

the athletic dept owes fans, season ticket holders and donors an explanation of just what the eff went on. detailed. soon. it's a full 24 hours later and the only person talking is curtin mother rough ridin' malone. i mean how is that even possible? when did they find out? how did they find out? was it currie's decision and only his decision? what did he base it on and why? i mean, they need to outline this from beginning to end.

[EMAWesome]

I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

I can't take the morons any more.

gfy

[Fuktard]

I'm not thrilled with the decision but I will guess that it was made with just a tad bit more info than what everyone here had.  I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC, he's been incredible, especially compared with the last few AD's we've had.  Krause and his secret Prince deal (and even extending that contract in the first place....jeezus).  Weiser and his ignoring the Kansas City market...I once asked him why all of our ad dollars went to western kansas and he told me "that's where our students come from".  No crap.  So you advertise where you own 99% of the market and ignore a significantly larger, closer market because you only have a small fraction of the market.  Briliant.  John Currrie has been phenomenal and those of you calling for his head are likely the same ones that are pissed off at a 10-2 football team and Cotton Bowl appearance or pissed at Frank because we only made the round of 32.

[wabash909]

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance. 

We're again, the losers in all of this.  And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.

 

[michigancat]

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

[bigDcat]

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance. 

We're again, the losers in all of this.  And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.

 

I think people who actually believe Currie did this for his "resume" are being paranoid. I also don't think Currie did this in spite of Frank, but I guess you can argue it.

[wabash909]

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

The image of a vigilance to compliance is what it appears he's trying to uphold.

[Rams]

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance. 

We're again, the losers in all of this.  And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.

 

I refuse to believe he's this naive. His best friend in the business is Lew rough ridin' Perkins for god's sake.  None of this adds up.

[sys]

I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.