Love ya, Pete, but I don't think Jamar was the difference today.
Our Freshman and Sophomore three-star guards just got outplayed by NBA talent.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
You're worse than JT, Dobbie and Fanning combined.Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach. LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie. LOFLz
You're a fool if you think Frank wouldn't have played him.Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach. LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie. LOFLz
You're worse than JT, Dobbie and Fanning combined.Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach. LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie. LOFLz
Frank was :curse: :curse: :curse: during his presser.
Is Frank being Frank'd?
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach. LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie. LOFLz
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach. LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie. LOFLz
I never PI. I just don't do it.
But, go eff yourself.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
fanning, you don't have a scoop.I have a hell of a lot more than you do, dumbass.
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
fanning, you don't have a scoop.I have a hell of a lot more than you do, dumbass.
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
Good thing you know it wouldn't of made a difference and we all knew that going in so we didn't give ourselves a chance
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT.
Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town.
He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT.
Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town.
He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT.
Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town.
He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT.
Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town.
He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT.
Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town.
He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.
If the suspension ends up being bullshit and Frank leaves because Currie is a dumbass, I am never going to or watching a game again!!! :chainsaw:
Yes, I know I won't be missed, but :chainsaw: anyway.
im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game. he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.
im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game. he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.
:toilet: I expect apologies when they go public, dumbasses.fanning, you don't have a scoop.I have a hell of a lot more than you do, dumbass.
no you don't, fanning.
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.
im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game. he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.
:toilet: I expect apologies when they go public, dumbasses.
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing. He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss. and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.
im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game. he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.
Just shut the eff up, dumbass. You sound ridiculously stupid right now. I'd like the read what everyone that's not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is saying about this situation without your stupid rough ridin' posts getting in the way.
Jesus Christ have a beer. It was a border line benefit. We wouldn't of won with him, dumbfuck.:toilet: I expect apologies when they go public, dumbasses.
1) you are already going public, you dumbfuck.
2) everyone has already heard everything you've heard.
3) consider the source.
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
We wouldn't of won with him, dumbfuck.
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
We wouldn't of won with him, dumbfuck.
of course we would have.
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
denied. try again.Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
It's like you're not smart, dumb person.
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today?
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today?
daris, you are probably the best poster on this board, but there is no way we win this game with jamar. it would have been closer, but we still lose, so who cares.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)
Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today?
daris, you are probably the best poster on this board, but there is no way we win this game with jamar. it would have been closer, but we still lose, so who cares.
how the eff do you know? both mu and duke lost yesterday. did you correctly predict those games? seriously, did you? eff no you didn't. you play that game ten times with jamar and we win three times. you play it without jamar and we win once. losing him was a huge, huge blow.
Daris, I appreciate you being real about it. I love Samuels, I really really do. But I think the anger should be pointed at him. Even JO's mom said it wouldn't surprise her. It's ok to believe he mumped up. With that said, he would have made an impact, but they were clearly the better team.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Martin's quote is:
"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''
I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.
:cry: :clac: :clac:Daris, I appreciate you being real about it. I love Samuels, I really really do. But I think the anger should be pointed at him. Even JO's mom said it wouldn't surprise her. It's ok to believe he mumped up. With that said, he would have made an impact, but they were clearly the better team.
my current anger is pointed at you and other people saying that him not playing was a non factor in the outcome. i could care less right now about jamar or currie or frank or whatever, but you are a complete dumbass for saying that syracuse would've won regardless.
who the eff cares who the better team is/was? who is/was better...mu or norfolk? would norfalk have won if o'quinn would've been ruled ineligible right before the game? eff man. don't be such a rough ridin' idiot. it might have made a difference. how the eff can you disagree w/ that.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)
Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....
Well those quotes from Frank should take care of the "eff John Currie" talking point.
But it probably won't. :facepalm:
This is what finally draws the line in the sand.
Are you #teamFrank?
Ask yourself that question.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)
Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....
Well those quotes from Frank should take care of the "eff John Currie" talking point.
But it probably won't. :facepalm:
i like the way martin enunciates "err". i know how he enunciates "err" because i watched the rough ridin' presser, from which these rough ridin' quotes are drawn. the one where he rough ridin' said it was not his decision to not let samuels play and where he rough ridin' proclaimed that samuels did nothing wrong.
This is what finally draws the line in the sand.
Are you #teamFrank?
Ask yourself that question.
Team frank
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Question. Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Question. Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Question. Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?
It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this. Like when artist dies young, for example.
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Question. Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?
It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this. Like when artist dies young, for example.
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not. Syracuse was just way better. Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half. And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable. Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Question. Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?
It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this. Like when artist dies young, for example.
Austin Meek ? @austin_meek
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.
Austin Meek ? @austin_meek
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.
The next time I see John Currie I'm going to toss him a couple C-notes and tell him to put them toward the Jamar Samuels Snitches Get Stitches Legacy Scholarship.
@austin_meek: Malone didn''t believe gift represented an impermissible benefit because of his pre-existing relationship with Samuels and his mother.
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I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?
I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?
Of course Jamar playing would have made a positive difference, unless you think it was better for Gipson to be shooting all of those free throws. Gipson hadn't played the high post all season and that is integral to beating that zone. How Jamar played the previous games is completely irrelevant because the style of play is completely unique. Jamar is a better passer, shooter, drawer of fouls, free throw shooter, ball handler, and rebounded than Gipson at this point. How you feel about if the team would have been better with Jamar is a litmus test, not of basketball knowledge but of common sense.
I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?
Assuming they didn't "do that in private" don't you think the fact that they didn't do it in private indicate that they didn't have anything to hide?
Austin Meek ? @austin_meekpfft I hope this book never ends
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.
Besides JO, over the course of his career, he's played better than any post on our team did today.Of course Jamar playing would have made a positive difference, unless you think it was better for Gipson to be shooting all of those free throws. Gipson hadn't played the high post all season and that is integral to beating that zone. How Jamar played the previous games is completely irrelevant because the style of play is completely unique. Jamar is a better passer, shooter, drawer of fouls, free throw shooter, ball handler, and rebounded than Gipson at this point. How you feel about if the team would have been better with Jamar is a litmus test, not of basketball knowledge but of common sense.
How Jamar played in the previous game is also completely irrelevant because it has been his whole career.
If Meek's story is accurate it is bad for Currie and compliance. It would be quite easy to prove a prior relationship. They have a documented relationship that's at least a decade long.
Doesn't help that Malone was just charged with assault three days ago.
Doesn't help that Malone was just charged with assault three days ago.
This is relevant in what universe?
Somebody set me straight.... So our ad and complience people error on the side of caution, presumably so their reps are intact and we can claim due diligence and institutional control should the Beasley allegations ever flare up? And jamars last college game is a casualty of currie legal posturing (assuming that snake Malone IS the issue). That would be a crying shame for jamsam to have been such an ill treated pawn in a larger game of greed and politics
So, if we don't suspend him, and just for shits & giggles, lets say Jamar makes up a 16 point difference (LOL), and we beat 'Cuse...then this week, or next month, whenever it comes to light that Jamar DID have eligibility issues and we forfeit everything...you guys that hate Currie now would have his back then?
"It's an eligibility issue that would typically indicate an NCAA issue," Currie said. "We're working to get it resolved as quickly as we can.
"That's our total focus."
this is like 100 times better than just a regular old loss.Agreed.
western union at a grocery store. I mean why not deliver him a rough ridin' game show check at halftime of the USM game.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Martin's quote is:
"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''
I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.
why? not that i disagree.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Martin's quote is:
"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''
I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.
why? not that i disagree.
Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now). Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:
"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."
I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32. If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).
I hate our fans so rough ridin' much. Frank is gonna bolt now.
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly? Guessing yes on the first, no on the second. eff Currie.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Martin's quote is:
"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''
I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.
why? not that i disagree.
Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now). Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:
"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."
I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32. If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).
you might be the absolute stupidest person i've ever encountered.
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly? Guessing yes on the first, no on the second. eff Currie.
I think Curries a "let the burning bridges light my way" kind of guy.
For 4th of July I'm going to get a John Currie pinata filled with cash money and invite the bball team over to smash the crap out of it.
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Martin's quote is:
"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''
I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.
why? not that i disagree.
Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now). Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:
"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."
I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32. If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).
For 4th of July I'm going to get a John Currie pinata filled with cash money and invite the bball team over to smash the crap out of it.
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly? Guessing yes on the first, no on the second. eff Currie.
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly? Guessing yes on the first, no on the second. eff Currie.
At this point the west side project is strictly fundraising.
How many western union's can there be in grocery stores in MHK?A quick google search shows Hy-Vee and two Dillons
I like the part where Malone said that if he wanted to hide the money he would have done it differently.
@austin_meek: Malone didn''t believe gift represented an impermissible benefit because of his pre-existing relationship with Samuels and his mother.
is there a way to track down the nark townie at the goddamn bank/dillions? i want blood.I tweeted Cassidy telling him to name the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), he said he's working on it.
Don't come to K-State good basketball players, if you're hungry and need some walking around money and a friend sends it to you . . . some townie is going to run over to the AD and get you suspended.
good god. i feel so bad for jamar.
good god. i feel so bad for jamar.
good god. I feel so bad for K-State basketball fans.
It makes me sad that jamar can't order a pizza and a stack of 20's show up in the crazy stix box that he didn't order. The fact that he has to even go to Curtis for money is a travesty to our program.
1) i bet the western union thing is legit. my guess is westloop dillons.
2) jesus christ. this happens everywhere. how t f though? i mean how t f does it get out here? and now?
It makes me sad that jamar can't order a pizza and a stack of 20's show up in the crazy stix box that he didn't order. The fact that he has to even go to Curtis for money is a travesty to our program.
1) i bet the western union thing is legit. my guess is westloop dillons.
2) jesus christ. this happens everywhere. how t f though? i mean how t f does it get out here? and now?
Is it even legal to divulge that type of information? You would think there are some pretty basic privacy safeguards that would protect the public and their financial transactions.
Doug Compton is having a hearty laugh at the expense of our amateur hour basketball program right now.
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NCAA should be burnt to the ground.
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We cant be mad at @john_currie or @frankmartinksu. Jamar made a mistake. The punishment was the right thing to do. #kstate #EMAW
How hard is it for whatever secretary that took the initial call to go "Our head compliance guy is out of town, I'll have him get back to you" and just move it to the bottom of the pile. Unless we beat Syracuse, then you lose that crap.
So. rough ridin'. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).Quote from: random KSU "fan"@Riley_Gates Close
We cant be mad at @john_currie or @frankmartinksu. Jamar made a mistake. The punishment was the right thing to do. #kstate #EMAW
So. rough ridin'. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).Quote from: random KSU "fan"@Riley_Gates Close
We cant be mad at @john_currie or @frankmartinksu. Jamar made a mistake. The punishment was the right thing to do. #kstate #EMAW
Well, looks like we have a pretty strong lead on the townie. I mean this amount of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) has to run in the family.
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don't ask don't tell..
and yet, K-State still decided to tell.. It's called integrity.. i'm happy to see Manhattan still has some of it while so much of our society seems to lack it
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It is amazing how pissed I am and it has nothing to do with the game. The townie posts about integrity are not helping.
Meek on Deadspin:
http://m.deadspin.com/5894236/reports-jamar-samuels-ineligible-because-his-former-aau-coach-gave-him-money-before-ncaa-tournament-[update]
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?
The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?
The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story
we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?
eff you sys and Michigancat. "Fanning doesn't know crap. He's a respect". Please die.
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?
The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?
eff you sys and Michigancat. "Fanning doesn't know crap. He's a respect". Please die.
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?
The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?
If the NCAA suspends you they do not let you attend NCAA sanctioned events. Jamar's presence on the bench is a glaring indicator that he was sat by Currie and the compliance cuntfaces.
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?
The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?
If the NCAA suspends you they do not let you attend NCAA sanctioned events. Jamar's presence on the bench is a glaring indicator that he was sat by Currie and the compliance cuntfaces.
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
Feel bad for Jamar . . . damn.yes
Is K-State on Spring Break?
Feel bad for Jamar . . . damn.yes
Is K-State on Spring Break?
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception. If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game. Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that. it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar. people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.
Sys and Michigancat showing their true colors as dipshits in this thread. Congrats guys. Dumbasses. "Hey, we're the cool edgy guys. We'll PI ppl till they think we know more about basketball, but we really suck at life.". Dumbasses.Okay we get it, ITKFanning.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.
Agreed.
I hate our fans. Fools. Just rough ridin' fools.
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception. If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game. Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.
Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception. If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game. Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.
Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?
Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident. Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing. Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him. There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.
What do you expect from the average white townie (no offense to the the "good" townies on this board).
I remember going to a couple of townie events held on campus back when I was at K-State, as the invited guest of a member of the K-State faculty. Sitting at dinner tables in the K-State Union ballroom, surrounded by middling to upper crust townie types. Unbelievable.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.
Agreed.
I hate our fans. Fools. Just rough ridin' fools.
Lots of people here seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the person who reported this was a religious narc shirt-tuck powerespect townie. But until we know more details about it, I don't think that assumption is totally warranted. It could very well have been somebody who has a bone to pick with KSU basketball or even a fan of a different team, like a Huskerpride-type that happens to live in Manhattan. In fact, I met an older guy one time that was a townie who worked at the Dillon's in Westloop who totally hated the crap out of K-State and hoped the lost every single game. Don't know if he still works there or not, but maybe it was him. I doubt an actual KSU fan would have reported it.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.
Agreed.
I hate our fans. Fools. Just rough ridin' fools.
Lots of people here seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the person who reported this was a religious narc shirt-tuck powerespect townie. But until we know more details about it, I don't think that assumption is totally warranted. It could very well have been somebody who has a bone to pick with KSU basketball or even a fan of a different team, like a Huskerpride-type that happens to live in Manhattan. In fact, I met an older guy one time that was a townie who worked at the Dillon's in Westloop who totally hated the crap out of K-State and hoped the lost every single game. Don't know if he still works there or not, but maybe it was him. I doubt an actual KSU fan would have reported it.
western union at a grocery store. I mean why not deliver him a rough ridin' game show check at halftime of the USM game.
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that. it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar. people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right. The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff. I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen? Vacating it?
No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.
....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that. it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar. people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.
That's why I put that "mere shot" part in there. I was very specific.
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Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception. If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game. Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.
Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?
Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident. Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing. Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him. There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk. The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward. Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk. The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward. Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.
Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.
I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW
what thread please?
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception. If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game. Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.
Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?
Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident. Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing. Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him. There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.
I'm with you on this, but is it within the realm of possibility that we did this to say, "Hey, we knew about the potential of a minor infraction between Curtis Malone and one of our players, and we sat that kid prior to an NCAA tournament game. Do you think we would have allowed Mike Beasley to play an entire year if we knew he was getting money from Malone and Joel Bell?" when the big investigation comes to town?
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.
Catsdo and Feartheneckbrace:
Are you saying that programs that are clean and run the right way cannot be successful? Seriously? Coach LHC Bill Snyder may have something to say about that.
Are you saying that you would rather go to the NCAA tourney every year with a cheating program than the NIT with a program that does not cheat? Seriously?
Cheating your way to wins is not true success. It is empty. It is like someone bragging about how they beat all of their friends playing Trivial Pursuit, when they looked up all the answers on the cards in advance. How can you feel good about that?
I'm glad AD Currie did things the right way, even if you find it so small-townish.
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.
I am of the same opinion.
I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?
I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down. Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.
I am of the same opinion.
When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance? And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?
Guys. Really?
MIR makes me proud to know there are wildcat fans like him out there! Thank you.I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down. Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.
You're serious about this? I assure you that this wasn't the first time.
My second biggest fear of fallout from this is that the NCAA rules that there was no prior relationship between Malone and Jamar, and they discover that it has happened more than once and Frank's and the school's records get wiped for a significant portion of the last four years.
Let's say that's all bullshit though. Do you really think that the way into a program of a coach who will eventually win 1000 games is to screw over another program? Why would Boeheim trust Malone if he is going to jam up a program whenever he gets butthurt. If this was some elaborate plot why not take out Rodney or Rodney and Jamar? Did he also pay the customer service agent at Dillons, Walmart, or HyVee to snitch? Of course if Curtis did this he would have told Jamar a very specific time and place to pick up the money gram and hope that his plant wasn't on break when Jamar went in.
Your theory is ummm, interesting.
this is clearly a case of a guy putting his resume above everything else.
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.
I am of the same opinion.
When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance? And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?
Guys. Really?
I mean, would it have been so tough to drop a couple be cnotes in the mail to jamar. Had to western union that crap......
You have me thinking about it LSOC.
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now. It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now. I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports. I'm not kidding.
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now. It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now. I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports. I'm not kidding.
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk. The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward. Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.
Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.
I haven't been on much today, has there been much talk about the post game press conference? I just watched it on ncaa.com and Frank made it obvious for the first time publicly (that I know about) that he is royally pissed off at Currie. If you think about how much Frank cares about Jamar, this could be a big issue since he said he wouldn't have held Jamar out.
If Frank wants him gone, JC needs to get the eff out. I don't have a good feeling about the situation if JC stays.
Edit: just saw the thread on the presser.
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now. It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now. I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports. I'm not kidding.
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
There is no way this is the first time. Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
There is no way this is the first time. Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.
Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games. Surely. Surely?
"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."
If I had just bought $200 worth of drugs from you, and I didn't want to get caught paying you, would I Western Union that crap to Dillons?
Jfc
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
There is no way this is the first time. Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.
Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games. Surely. Surely?
Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?Quote"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."
If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.
Im with you.I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
There is no way this is the first time. Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.
Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games. Surely. Surely?
Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?Quote"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."
I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done. MIR made a really good point. We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to.
We self reported a minor violation at a bad time. The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.
Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
There is no way this is the first time. Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.
Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games. Surely. Surely?
Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?Quote"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."
Yes, I think panj is only reading replies to his posts.
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.
He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged. He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."
John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word. Just let the entire country assume the worst.
Shame on you John Currie. I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.
I am serious. I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult. I think you know me better. But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement. Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback. From a huge program. In his recruiting area.
Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests.
There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.
When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA? Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong? Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?
As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
There is no way this is the first time. Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.
Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games. Surely. Surely?
Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?Quote"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."
I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done. MIR made a really good point. We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to.
We self reported a minor violation at a bad time. The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.
Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.
He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged. He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."
John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word. Just let the entire country assume the worst.
Shame on you John Currie. I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.
He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged. He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."
John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word. Just let the entire country assume the worst.
Shame on you John Currie. I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.
Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.
He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged. He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."
John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word. Just let the entire country assume the worst.
Shame on you John Currie. I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.
Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.
The rough ridin' Vice President of the United States of America was in the crowd. The game was against Syracuse...a historic program. It was in the prime spot on CBS.........
....and John Currie let Jamar Samuels sit there like a criminal...and just let the country assume the worst.
eff YOU, JOHN CURRIE. eff YOU.
What you said was no where close to my point.
Does this qualify as K-State0?
I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.
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@john_currie Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Curried $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker
I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.
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Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Currie $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker. #emaw
Wow.QuoteSantiago 007 ? @melvetedehondur
@john_currie Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Curried $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker
We need to rough ridin' unionize the student athletes. I'm not joking.
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW
I'd really like to hear CaptainCrap's thoughts on this situation.
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.
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This Jamar Samuels story makes me sick. THAT was the reason the kid missed his last game? Please somebody fix this once and for all!!
Just another glorious chapter in K-State incompetence when it comes to operating a multimillion dollar institution.
This is what we do.
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.
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I'd really like to hear CaptainCrap's thoughts on this situation.
I think it is asking a great deal for him to comment positively or negatively about the compliance department and the CEO of the Athletic Department, especially relating to a student-athlete.
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkQuote from: Seth DavisThis Jamar Samuels story makes me sick. THAT was the reason the kid missed his last game? Please somebody fix this once and for all!!
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?
I think that John Currie thinks that.
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?
I think that John Currie thinks that.
Why?
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?
I think that John Currie thinks that.
Why? Who would be impressed by nitpicking the rules and running off the best employee you have?
I think he runs a "large tent." I believe that he believed that most of his constituency would be behind him, AND that he'd show prospective employers that he improved the facilities and donations at KSU whilst staying compliant...and a compliance "event" is just icing on the cake.
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.
That's why they have 12 National Championships.
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.
That's why they have 12 National Championships.
I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.
That's why they have 12 National Championships.
I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.
I know, I was just making a LOL. Came out mean-ish sounding. :cheers:
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.
That's why they have 12 National Championships.
I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.
I know, I was just making a LOL. Came out mean-ish sounding. :cheers:
Curtis Malone is a "suit?"
An entire thread devoted to melting down over hearsay and personal guesses about Jamar. Just when I think our fanbase can't possibly be any dumber...
So, if we don't suspend him, and just for shits & giggles, lets say Jamar makes up a 16 point difference (LOL), and we beat 'Cuse...then this week, or next month, whenever it comes to light that Jamar DID have eligibility issues and we forfeit everything...you guys that hate Currie now would have his back then?
If it IS 'just' $200 from a family friend, I agree it looks bad, but it isn't like Currie is handed a dossier with 100% of the facts (i.e. he doesn't know if that $200 is a one time thing, or the only thing he knows about right now). He has to make a judgement call based on what he has, and he HAS to take Jamar's history of boneheaded decisions into account.
just sayin
I know they just gave computer privileges down at achievement services...You're worse than JT, Dobbie and Fanning combined.Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.
Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach. LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie. LOFLz
jttuck says its "hearsay".
So, Malone didn't wire Jamar $200, it is not understood that this may not have even been an NCAA violation, Jamar was NOT suspended for the game by the athletic department for doing something that MAY NOT have been an NCAA violation. It was not reported that a 3rd party narc'd on Jamar when he received a wire transfer from Curtis Malone.
Again, it's all "hearsay" according to jttuck.
There arent very many people that im ashamed to have associated with K-State, but Currie just about penciled himself in with Krause and BTK.
Now the Fitz is saying that Samuels getting the money from Malone was an NCAA violation, because the Malone/Samuels relationship, despite going back years was "rooted in basketball". How do they determine that?
I really hope we get a name in regards to where the leak came from, currie will get away with his sins but we need a sacrificial lamb.this sounds like something Kellis might do..I don't trust that POS anywhere near our program
jttuck says its "hearsay".
So, Malone didn't wire Jamar $200, it is not understood that this may not have even been an NCAA violation, Jamar was NOT suspended for the game by the athletic department for doing something that MAY NOT have been an NCAA violation. It was not reported that a 3rd party narc'd on Jamar when he received a wire transfer from Curtis Malone.
Again, it's all "hearsay" according to jttuck.
if this comes off as a defense of currie, so be it, although that is not my intention.
1) i'm sure the decision to sit samuels was not reached without some informal consultation with the ncaa.
2) the worst case, not just for kstate, but for everyone, would have been samuels plays, kstate wins, samuels investigation finished in the ensuing 4 days with a determination that he should have been ineligible. at that point, what happens? i have can't imagine, because i've never heard of such a case. syracuse plays? wisconsin just advances without a game? some alternate universe penalty imposed on kstate in lieu of their win being vacated? i can't imagine that the ncaa would risk that sort of pr nightmare just to be fair to samuels.
No its not. Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
Should be getting the Currie form email today. Post what my reply should be.
No its not. Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
No its not. Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
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Landing on probation would be bad and may be something that would take longer for KSU to recover from than a lot of other places, depending on the specifics of the probation.
Vacating wins would be an amazing badge of honor. I'd kill a drifter if we were ever forced to "vacate wins."
I can't see $200 landing us on probation. The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.
I can't see $200 landing us on probation. The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.
Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing
I can't see $200 landing us on probation. The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.
Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing
I can't see $200 landing us on probation. The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.
Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing
I can't take the morons any more.
I can't see $200 landing us on probation. The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.
Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing
I can't take the morons any more.
I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else. If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else. If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance.
We're again, the losers in all of this. And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?
I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else. If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance.
We're again, the losers in all of this. And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.
i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him. both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.
i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him. both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.
i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him. both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.
he is better than what we've had in the past
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?
The image of a vigilance to compliance is what it appears he's trying to uphold.
I believe in mis-information as well as the next guy. But KSU is one of the leading Land Grant Universities in the world. If a KSU student is hungry, he/she can walk over to Grain Science and they can snarf down all the bread crumbs they want out of the baking labs.
I do not think Jamar needed money for FOOD.
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.
i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him. both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.
he is better than what we've had in the past
Said the dumbass who hates Frank Martin.
JFC, that scout board really is the dumbest place on earth.QuoteI believe in mis-information as well as the next guy. But KSU is one of the leading Land Grant Universities in the world. If a KSU student is hungry, he/she can walk over to Grain Science and they can snarf down all the bread crumbs they want out of the baking labs.
I do not think Jamar needed money for FOOD.
this would never have happened in football. never.Eh. Broderick may disagree. OTOH, Ell Roberson played the entire Fiesta Bowl.
JFC, that scout board really is the dumbest place on earth.QuoteI believe in mis-information as well as the next guy. But KSU is one of the leading Land Grant Universities in the world. If a KSU student is hungry, he/she can walk over to Grain Science and they can snarf down all the bread crumbs they want out of the baking labs.
I do not think Jamar needed money for FOOD.
Are we close to having an argument over whether or not Jamar should be on food stamps?
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
How can you be certain of that?
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
How can you be certain of that?
I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.
this would never have happened in football. never.Eh. Broderick may disagree. OTOH, Ell Roberson played the entire Fiesta Bowl.
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter? If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter? If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.
You would think.
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter? If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.
You would think.
This has become a national story with people making fair or unfair accusations against our University, yet our Athletic Department remains silent. It really pisses me off.
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department. I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
How can you be certain of that?
I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.
And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department. I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
How can you be certain of that?
I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.
And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Do you disagree?
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department. I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.
Do you disagree?
I see what you're getting at, but I don't know if I agree with you. I mean, prior to this last season all of us were bitching and moaning about Snyder's untouchable nature within the Athletic Department, how nobody's allowed to fire him or tell him what to do (especially re. Sean).Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department. I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.
Do you disagree?
If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department. I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
How can you be certain of that?
I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.
And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Do you disagree?
It is dumb on Currie's part. But's it's more arrogance.
He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too. In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record.
When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?
They were before he got there and he didn't hire the coach with the "issues?" :dunno:
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.
i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him. both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.
i don't think he's a bad a.d. i just don't like him.
I see what you're getting at, but I don't know if I agree with you. I mean, prior to this last season all of us were bitching and moaning about Snyder's untouchable nature within the Athletic Department, how nobody's allowed to fire him or tell him what to do (especially re. Sean).Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department. I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.
Do you disagree?
If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?
Snyder runs his show and answers to nobody, imo. Frank, otoh, has a boss.
Not saying it's right, but that's how I think it is.
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"
Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well). Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK. How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public?
Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry. Like a rough ridin' pussy.
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"
Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well). Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK. How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public?
Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry. Like a rough ridin' pussy.
I think that even if they told the players not to be associated with this guy, it's harder for a guy like Jamar (who has grown up with Malone being there for him) to cut ties than say, Rodney.
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"
Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well). Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK. How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public?
Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry. Like a rough ridin' pussy.
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"
Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well). Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK. How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public?
Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry. Like a rough ridin' pussy.
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.
Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.
Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it. But he did do it. So own it, JC.
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.
Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it. But he did do it. So own it, JC.
What is there to own?
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"
Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well). Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK. How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public?
Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry. Like a rough ridin' pussy.
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.
Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
Frank is just as unfireable as Snyder, based on results. What's going to happen if Frank tells Currie to eff off and plays Jamar? Currie throws Martin under the bus and fires him over this issue? I'm sure University Presidents loves someone with that kind of relationship with his coaches.
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.
Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
Some townie was reporting it to them as something wrong rather than them internally analyzing it? :dunno:
I don't believe that the first time Jamar called home for money was Monday, and/or that the decision on whether it was OK or not was made solely by Curtis Malone until Friday night.
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.
Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
And on the resume aspect, I'm not one making an argument that this episode or his handling of it in any manner was good for his resume or that he thinks that. I do think that he feels that a major coach hire is something his resume needs - it's obviously not good enough now as he's not getting any of the jobs he interviews for - and he's not necessarily going to get a shot at hiring a football coach. I think he'd be very, very happy if Frank left of his own accord, and if tinkering with hoops will accelerate that, then this helped.
So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."
Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.
So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."
Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.
On point 1, I'm not the one arguing that Currie looked at this situation as a thing that will enhance his resume. I don't think Jamar and Curtis unilaterally decided it was OK to do this Monday. As you pointed out before, I guess it's possible that Currie has a woefully inadequate and non-proactive compliance department that left it to Jamar and Curtis to decide these things on their own. I think it's more likely that Jamar and Curtis had cleared this sort of transaction before, but something was different here (some outside party bitched about it rather than Jamar asking if it was cool), and Currie decided to play it safe.
On point 2, I agree that losing Frank due to Frank not being able to stand Currie is as bad and probably worse on a resume than not having a major hire. I don't think Currie agrees with us.
IF he is that stupid, I guess it would explain both things.
IF he is that stupid, I guess it would explain both things.
yeah. But I don't think he gets into his position by being that stupid. I mean, if he is, I am going to start trying to be a high-major AD like tomorrow.
I agree Currie's PR has been bad. He did come on with Wyatt right before the game and say Jamar was on course to graduate, did nothing wrong academically or behaviorally, and that he and K-State completely supported Jamar and that he hoped for resolution quickly. But very few heard that.
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
next theory
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.
in this scenario, the coach would obviously be in on it
I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.
what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.
in this scenario, the coach would obviously be in on it
It's like, just when I think you can't possibly post something dumber than the last thing, you go and outdo yourself.
If Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.
You guys are hilarious. So let me get this straight: AD's build resumes and get high profile jobs because they are considered "squeaky clean"? What rough ridin' planet are you guys from? You think Currie did this to BOOST his position in the NCAA community? Do you think when OSU goes out to look for an new AD, T Boone's first question is going to be "Well how clean of a program is he going to run here at our fine university?" The way you get better AD jobs and build your resume is one rough ridin' thing: winning. And we had a hell of a lot better chance of WINNING with Jamar, than without.
If Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.
AgreedIf Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.
:thumbs:
I didn't listen to the post game conference. So, Frank really called out Currie?
Weirder yet that our AD is too big of a pussy to deal with this in a sensible manner.
Lost a lot of respect for Currie yesterday. His inexperience and apparent lack of integrity was really on display yesterday with the bush league way in which he cowardly threw Jamar and Coach Martin under the bus to protect his personal reputation.
Another air ball, Kim. Hang it up.
btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone. i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.
Is it football season yet?
btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone. i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.
Yeah, a cynical person would note that it really makes Beasley's theory in the pending lawsuit that Malone gives naive kids money for the purpose of directing them to Bell seem silly.
btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone. i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.
Yeah, a cynical person would note that it really makes Beasley's theory in the pending lawsuit that Malone gives naive kids money for the purpose of directing them to Bell seem silly.
I think your relationship with mabeaz may be blinding you to the missing link in the chain of custody for the Malone-Beasley cash money.
MBB is off the front page. Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.
http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html
MBB is off the front page. Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.
http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html
how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.
MBB is off the front page. Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.
http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html
how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.
MBB is off the front page. Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.
http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html
how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.
They can, and will.
MBB is off the front page. Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.
http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html
how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.
They can, and will.
My yahoo email account that KSU used to send the Letters from John Currie is now getting emails from KSU Women's Basketball only.
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.
He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged. He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."
John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word. Just let the entire country assume the worst.
Shame on you John Currie. I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.
There will be no public outcry for answers, so K-State will happily give none.
There will be no public outcry for answers, so K-State will happily give none.
I'm not sure what constitutes a "public outcry" in your eyes, but at the very least I believe Meek, at least will want to here K-State's side of the story he broke.
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.
200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.
Pussies!!
I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down. Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.
Eff that $hit!
I need to start sending random Western Union orders for like $2 to that Dillons:lol:
To: John Currie
From: The Mothee-ah
To: Tate Snyder
From: Osama
Then we will smoke out the narc.
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.
200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.
Pussies!!
I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down. Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.
Eff that $hit!
In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing. Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.
200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.
Pussies!!
I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down. Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.
Eff that $hit!
In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing. Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.
200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.
Pussies!!
I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down. Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.
Eff that $hit!
In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing. Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.
Sad . . . SMH.
Sad . . . SMH.
I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.
200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.
Pussies!!
I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down. Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.
Eff that $hit!
In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing. Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.
Then don't say a damn thing and enjoy JaSam in the starting lineup.
RamTuck . . . sad.
you're acting like he mumped Jamar over for some personal gain or did this to further his own agenda.
Sad . . . SMH.
I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.
Sad . . . SMH.
I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.
My use of SMH was kind of sad . . . really.
I am officially in win at all costs mode, a significant portion of the existing NCAA field consists of win at all costs programs, and we need to emulate and advance.
No K-State basketball player gets suspended over $200 under the sonofdaxjones compliance program.
Sad . . . SMH.
I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.
My use of SMH was kind of sad . . . really.
I am officially in win at all costs mode, a significant portion of the existing NCAA field consists of win at all costs programs, and we need to emulate and advance.
No K-State basketball player gets suspended over $200 under the sonofdaxjones compliance program.
Sys threw a giant ice bath on my white hot anger, I'm in dissaray.
After 21 pages, I think the moral of this thread is that EMAW townies need to get non-EMAW townies in line.
Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.
Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.
not entirely. i saw your argument, and i think it is possible you're right (agree that none of us knows).
but, i am working off the assumption that kstate had some sort of informal consultation or guidance from the ncaa before they decided to sit him. also, the assumption that a school would be rough ridin' crazy to "ignore" any possible violation which is brought to their attention in any documented way. which i know you haven't argued for, but some others have.
Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.
not entirely. i saw your argument, and i think it is possible you're right (agree that none of us knows).
but, i am working off the assumption that kstate had some sort of informal consultation or guidance from the ncaa before they decided to sit him. also, the assumption that a school would be rough ridin' crazy to "ignore" any possible violation which is brought to their attention in any documented way. which i know you haven't argued for, but some others have.
I don't know too much about Western Union. I've never used it before and don't really know anyone who has. Is it legal though for the teller to be giving up actual documentation of the transaction? I don't think it matters much, but jw.
I don't know too much about Western Union. I've never used it before and don't really know anyone who has. Is it legal though for the teller to be giving up actual documentation of the transaction? I don't think it matters much, but jw.
I don't buy the argument that this can't boost Currie's resume in any sense. If he's angling for an SEC job or a win-at-all-costs school, then this yes, this is potentially damaging to him. But I feel like there are some Big Ten/Pac 12 schools that are obsessed with, at the very least, projecting a facade of doing things "the right way" and would rather use players as sacrificial lambs to continue to project that image, the coach's opinion be damned. Currie could be overcompensating with this and the CK/JP incidents to project that image after his dirt-filled past. In that sense, he's using us if true.
you're acting like he mumped Jamar over for some personal gain or did this to further his own agenda.
No, he isn't.
To throw (someone) under the bus is an idiomatic phrase meaning to sacrifice another person (often a friend or ally), who is usually not deserving of such treatment, out of malice or for personal gain.
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I work in customer service in the East Side dillons. I can assure you if the western union was done at ours, it was not one of our people that reported it. It is highly confidential, and a transaction like that would not be deemed suspisious. Plus only myself and about 3 other people that work the western union would know who Jamar Samuels is. In fact the few people that did know who he was asked me why he was suspended. So I would look at West side dillons, and there is also a couple other locations I think...pretty sure hyvee might have one as well as at least one other place.
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my store used to be an agent for western union 4
years ago. transactions are highly confidential
and any clerk that would bring the transaction to
the attention to anyone might be subject to dismissal.
when we were agents we could not even give information
to the police department. the western web site shows
5 agents in manhattan. 2 dillions, hy-vee gas and i
believe 2 convenience stores. nearest site appears to
be westloop dillions.
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I"m 99 percent confident the incident occurred at Dillon's west. I saw Jamar Samuels in there (along with Jeremy Jones) the DAY before they left for Pittsburgh. I saw him in the check out line and appeared to have roughly 100-120 dollars worth of groceries. So if you want to find the rat, I'd go to Dillon's on west loop.
So it appears he really was buying groceries. Makescurrieand the rat look like even bigger vaginas
It was Thursday Spring Break week; food services which also means the training table is shut down for the week correct??
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance.
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance.
Yep, fire Cosh.
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.
and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
:thumbs:
I feel our anger is misdirected.
We obviously have a mole following our players around and when they slip up, they call the compliance office and report us.
The mole needs to be exposed and taken out.
So it appears he really was buying groceries. Makescurrieand the rat look like even bigger vaginas
Currie has no blood on his hands.
The mole must be taken out.
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.
I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything. I'm guessing Frank and Currie would love to have the power/resources/experience to effectively cover up crap like this, but they don't.
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of K-State0 sense that we would want to be able to cover more crap up but just end up bumbling around for a little while and then telling on ourselves cause we're K-State0.
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
It's really just unfortunate that this rogue director of compliance was able to slip into the department and usurp all of Currie's power when it comes to things like this.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/genrel/110209aaa.html
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program. But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.
Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book. And trust me there are some juicy ones.
So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.
Compliance
Office 864-4200 Fax: 864-5289
Associate Athletics Director - Compliance Theresa Becker 864-7995 Click here to contact.
Assistant Athletics Director - Compliance Kristine Fowler 864-3524 Click here to contact.
Director, Initial and Continuing Eligibility Certification Dino Bell 864-7312 Click here to contact.
Director, Compliance - Monitoring Randy Krahulik 864-5624 Click here to contact.
Director, Education Scott Hobbs 864-7967 Click here to contact.
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.
I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything. I'm guessing Frank and Currie would love to have the power/resources/experience to effectively cover up crap like this, but they don't.
If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of K-State0 sense that we would want to be able to cover more crap up but just end up bumbling around for a little while and then telling on ourselves cause we're K-State0.
Yes, if only our athletic director had the power to manage policies and protocols for his staff in the athletic department.
I'm not talking about power internally, dumbass. I'm talking about the power/resources to make the Western Union narc STFU and go home. The power/resources to make everyone at Dillard's keep their rough ridin' mouths shut. How do you think Lew got away with disappearing all the crap he did at KU? Respect, fear, and resources...and the balls to use them. Currie seems to be good at raising money but horrible at making little crap just go away. My argument with Dax isn't that Currie's a fantastic AD and we should shower him with praise. All I was saying is that it doesn't make sense that he purposefully seeks out little compliance events like this and "throws people under the bus" to further his career.
I can't believe you're not smart enough to get my point, so I have to assume you're just being a dick on purpose.
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program. But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.
Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book. And trust me there are some juicy ones.
So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program. But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.
Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book. And trust me there are some juicy ones.
So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.
JFC, look how many directors the squawks have!QuoteCompliance
Office 864-4200 Fax: 864-5289
Associate Athletics Director - Compliance Theresa Becker 864-7995 Click here to contact.
Assistant Athletics Director - Compliance Kristine Fowler 864-3524 Click here to contact.
Director, Initial and Continuing Eligibility Certification Dino Bell 864-7312 Click here to contact.
Director, Compliance - Monitoring Randy Krahulik 864-5624 Click here to contact.
Director, Education Scott Hobbs 864-7967 Click here to contact.
I feel our anger is misdirected.
We obviously have a mole following our players around and when they slip up, they call the compliance office and report us.
The mole needs to be exposed and taken out.
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program. But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.
Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book. And trust me there are some juicy ones.
So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.
They'll tell you "thanks for the information, we'll get right on that." Then they'll hang up and say "Another one called about Compton, we better punish our players" and burst into uncontrollable laughter as they take the paper they wrote the stories on and shred it.
FYI, anyone wondering if this had something to do with Spring Break, today is the first Monday of Spring Break, class was in session last week.
maybe this has been said, but doesn't anyone else want to take some money over to KU and start handing it out with someone in the bushes taking pictures. Then email said pictures to the NCAA on Wednesday and see if they suspend any of their players? I do.
maybe this has been said, but doesn't anyone else want to take some money over to KU and start handing it out with someone in the bushes taking pictures. Then email said pictures to the NCAA on Wednesday and see if they suspend any of their players? I do.
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.
Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku. Not the morning they hear about it.
and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
:thumbs:
And wash it all down with a cool and refreshing Long Island Iced Tea.
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.
Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku. Not the morning they hear about it.
When did KSU hear about it?
Of course, that would be assuming that KU would handle things the same was as K-State would, which they don't. As this hypothetical shows, the NCAA's model compliance process is laughable, if that's what K-State is following.
Of course, that would be assuming that KU would handle things the same was as K-State would, which they don't. As this hypothetical shows, the NCAA's model compliance process is laughable, if that's what K-State is following.
Slimz, at the end of the day, John Currie made a pledge to us.
And that pledge was that he would run a model intercollegiate athletics program. "A model intercollegiate athletics program can signify many things but we have five core measures that we will use here at K-State to define a model program,” Currie says. “And, overall, when people are talking about intercollegiate athletics and the programs in the nation that do it right, Kansas State should and can be one of those model programs.”
At the end of the day can the Squawks call themselves a model intercollegiate athletics department? Can they say they do it right? CAN THEY?
I hope this morning when those people put their red and blue attire upon themselves and gallivant into their offices and tote their mop buckets and carouse about their Sweet 16 appearance they keep that in mind.
They may win the basketball games, but we have the integrity and transparency in relation to ethics, finance and NCAA compliance.
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.
instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.
Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.
Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku. Not the morning they hear about it.
When did KSU hear about it?
If it wasn't the day of, why not play him if he played the game before unless someone else reported it. No way we sat on it one game and not the other.
despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.
Don't forget about the coleslaw too.despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.
Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie. I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week. THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
Yeah, both sides have valid points, with the Jamar plays point being the most valid of them all.
Don't forget about the coleslaw too.despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.
Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie. I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week. THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.
:adored:Don't forget about the coleslaw too.despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.
Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie. I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week. THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
Yeah, I heard about that too. So much info emanating out of Pittsburgh last week, all topped off with your big reveal re: "the suits."
Yeah, I heard about that too. So much info emanating out of Pittsburgh last week, all topped off with your big reveal re: "the suits.":adored:
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.
What does this mean?
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.
What does this mean?
This means that Compliance acted on the squawk informant, went behind Currie's back or over his head, and advanced the case far enough to where Currie and Frank were forced to act on it.
I just don't know what position to take on here sometimes. Play full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to entertain the crowd or throw in a few ITK tid bits here and there? You let me know Trim, you let me know.
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.
What does this mean?
This means that Compliance acted on the squawk informant, went behind Currie's back or over his head, and advanced the case far enough to where Currie and Frank were forced to act on it.
Man, what a shitty hire Currie made if so.
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.
Start a "You better have some rough ridin' answers, Vaughn" thread.
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.
You also have to remember that he took over for super-party-non-stop-fun-time Bob Krause and his little shitstorm. That probably had more to do with it then the Pearl crap (which took place later). (this does not mean I think this was handled correctly, FWIW).
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
I called ku compliance, and they said, "will you do your stand up for us at the end of year banquet"?
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
What's Pete going to do now that Currie isn't giving him his rough ridin' answers?
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them. The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them. The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.
My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.
You have to remember that he put out that statement long before Fanning broke the story. He can't come out and say "We're benching him because someone told us he took $200 from Curtis Malone". It was obvious it was an impermissible gift issue from the statements he made to Meek and Manbeck, but saying any more would have been far worse for Jamar than what was actually said.
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.
instead we get this, which again just makes you think what in the world is going on over there that something can come up in between the first and second game that escalates from some "third party witness" to jamar can't play all in the span of 24 hours? that just makes no sense.
Kansas State athletics director John Currie told reporters shortly before the game that Samuels’ ineligibility “developed very rapidly over the last 24 hours."
“We are working diligently to try and resolve it even right now," Currie said. "Jamar Samuels has worked extremely hard academically and athletically throughout his career. We are certainly going to do everything we can to advocate for him.”
i'm not telling you what he should or should't have done. i'm telling you what would maybe make me happy because you just said "Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy".
My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.
yeah, if anyone was throwing Jamar under the bus, it was Malone.
All I want to know is how can I be method man in this scenario.
new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i want to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?
I do wonder how much Frank hates Curtis Malone. I mean, what a dickhead that guy is to Frank. I guess he still deserves a little residual goodwill for beasley and rod, but man. That crap has to expire soon.
The Nation jumps in, http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels
Sorry if repost, haven't read through the past 10 pages
His team had to figure out a new game plan with twenty minutes to spare, while administrators furiously tried to lobby officials to change their mind. The NCAA’s absolute authority as judge, jury and executioner, is a recipe for abuse.
new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i want to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?
Yeah.
Regardless, Malone's comments only make K-State's position and whatever they say even more delicate, so I'm not surprised K-State/Currie hasn't said anything yet.
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."
The ties have been cut. We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon. But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.
Look, everyone got screwed but Malone. Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick. We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.
If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.
Malone just scares the ---- out of me.
currie is getting a free pass with the media. :dubious:
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
Please list in order of who we should be the most angry at, down to who we should be the least angry at: (TIA)
- Currie
- Jamar
- Frank
- NCAA
- townie snitch
- Malone
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
What is the name and address of the townie snitch?
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."
The ties have been cut. We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon. But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.
Look, everyone got screwed but Malone. Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick. We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.
If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.
Malone just scares the ---- out of me.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."
The ties have been cut. We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon. But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.
Look, everyone got screwed but Malone. Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick. We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.
If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.
Malone just scares the ---- out of me.
In the not too distant past, I remember everyone sayin " what we need is a good AAU connection so we can get recruits and win, to hell with the consequences", and now we don't want that?
The only real issue here is not playing Jamar if you follow the former line of thinking, and the idea that no recruits will come here now because of the action taken against Jamar, and FM.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.
Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.
capt crap is going to tow the company line on this one. i'm standing firm that currie is a jackass.
capt crap is going to tow the company line on this one. i'm standing firm that currie is a jackass.
You guys are acting like there were multiple options available to K-State once they found out about the violation, and then Currie or somebody in Compliance purposely chose the shittiest one. That isn't how it works, at all.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
why hasn't Currie publicly said this?
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively. Innocent until proven guilty etc."?
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?
The timing just sucked on this one.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively. Innocent until proven guilty etc."?
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.
Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.
Will Frank leave over this?
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively. Innocent until proven guilty etc."?
That's what sucks about the NCAA.
We found out about it. Reported it as soon as we did. Most likely thought it would have been okay (just being safe) NCAA says no it is not. Were caught with our dicks in our hands
If we would have waited until after, we might as well not reported it at all as the if/when the NCAA would have found out about it, the hammer blows would have been just as hard.
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.
Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.
Will Frank leave over this?
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?
Yes, according to the NCAA
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.
i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.
i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
why hasn't Currie publicly said this?
My guess is that he will explain the situation at some point in the next few days, probably once he gets home from the girls game in CT.
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?
Yes, according to the NCAA
The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?
i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.
i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?
I think CC is saying KU would have to IMMEDIATELY report this, T-Rob would be suspended and so would Self until they get cleared. Regardless of verification, proof, gathering information, foundation, verification.
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?
Yes, according to the NCAA
The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?
They ruled.
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?
Yes, according to the NCAA
The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?
They ruled.
Question for the Resume Builder tucks:
What Big time program would want to hire an AD who sole claims to fame are hording millions of dollars and being a compliance Nazi?
Question for the Resume Builder tucks:
What Big time program would want to hire an AD who sole claims to fame are hording millions of dollars and being a compliance Nazi?
I'll bite.
He is doing the compliance to establish a reputation. He wouldn't do it at his dream job. He would just use his reputation as a compliance nazi to get the job who would mutually be using that reputation to burnish a tarnished reputation.
The profit just shows he can raise a bunch of money, balance the books and control costs. That doesn't look good?
Goal Three: "INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY IN MATTERS OF ETHICS, FINANCE, AND NCAA COMPLIANCE"
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny. A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game. It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type.
Yeah I was wrong on a lot of things. Sorry, Currie.Meh. A wise man once said "I don't like Currie".
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny. A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game. It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type.
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny. A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game. It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type.
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
I haven't ascribed to this theory but to play devils advocate here:
The "Jamar incident" has no relevance to his resume. The swift and thorough reaction to it through Currie and his compliance office is a positive mark on his resume. He nor compliance has any control over Malone sending money and Jamar accepting it. They do however have total control over what they do when they find out. The talking point that "everybody cheats" is complete BS. University Presidents and Boards of Regents want a guy who has control over their athletic departments and won't give the university a black eye by covering up or being lazy.
He nor compliance has any control over Malone sending money and Jamar accepting it.
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.
The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny. A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game. It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type.
Of course, this hypothetical university might be concerned with why an athletic director hadn't long ago squashed any possibility that student-athletes could think it was OK to get $200 from their former AAU coach and father figure simultaneously embroiled in a lawsuit with the GKSUBB'rOAT, when apparently it takes a day or less for the NCAA to say it's not alright.
Currie could go on to say that he had a discussion with Rodney and Jamar about Malone and warned them of such swift action as what took place Sat with Jamar.
I saw Jamar in Dillons at customer service last Tuesday.
:horrorsurprise:
I saw Jamar in Dillons at customer service last Tuesday.
:horrorsurprise:
Meh. Still don't like Currie. Still think Frank don't like Currie neither.
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.
To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.
Meh. Still don't like Currie. Still think Frank don't like Currie neither.
You're very astute, CartierFor3, no matter how much you love cancer.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.
To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.
How many games did Cam miss? It goes back to the double standard things. If I remember correctly. The NCAA ruled Cam ineligible and in less than 24 hours He was ruled okay to play and practice after Auburn appealed. Seems they worked at a different speed for the Newton situation.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.
To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.
How many games did Cam miss? It goes back to the double standard things. If I remember correctly. The NCAA ruled Cam ineligible and in less than 24 hours He was ruled okay to play and practice after Auburn appealed. Seems they worked at a different speed for the Newton situation.
It took them a day or so for Cam. K-State had like 12 hours.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.
NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.
Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.
NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.
Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
It took them a day or so for Cam. K-State had like 12 hours.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.
NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.
Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.
NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.
Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?
If the NCAA truly doesn't care about $, but only about reporting, our special friends of the program need to really take this to both heart and wallet and start getting some crap done.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.
NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.
Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?
Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.
CC, in another thread, Limestone quotes Kietz saying "2. KS doesn't have a "compliance" department, it has an "enforcement" department and is much different from other NCAA schools."
two Q's:
1. has this been something we have looked into restructuring to?
2. if not, why not?
This should be made our #1 priority, even above the practice facility.
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?
He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand. Do you know of one?
OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."
I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.
NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.
Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?
Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
Oh yeah Cam Newton, it all came out and the NCAA pretty much said there was not only smoke, but the house had been burned to the ground . . . but there was nothing they could do.
CC, who tipped K-State off? Townie tuck who happened to be walking by Jamar at the customer service counter, or Western Union employee behind the counter? Is anything going to be done to this tipster for a blatant breach of confidentiality/possible violations of interstate commerce laws?
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?
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Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
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In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative. Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.
I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested. Not everyone is EMAW.
Why didn't Currie just let his phone go to voicemail and then "forget" to check it for 12 hours
CC, in another thread, Limestone quotes Kietz saying "2. KS doesn't have a "compliance" department, it has an "enforcement" department and is much different from other NCAA schools."
two Q's:
1. has this been something we have looked into restructuring to?
2. if not, why not?
This should be made our #1 priority, even above the practice facility.
In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative. Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.
I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested. Not everyone is EMAW.
You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.
Correct, and if it is "no" then there is no reason for kstate to have determined it to be legit and report it until 1 minute after we beat Syracuse.Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?
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If this answer is "yes" we EMAW'ers have our new strategy to win every tournament we ever play in
I would like to take this time to remind all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) townies that witnessing the breaking of NCAA regs is not witnessing the breaking of laws and therefore you are in no way ethically or legally required to inform anyone unless your job requires it.
In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative. Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.
I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested. Not everyone is EMAW.
You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.
Okay, someone get a western union receipt or whatever so we can photoshop the crap out of it for every opponent we ever play in any sport ever.So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
Would this timeline be correct
1. found out about it from source
2. investigated it and found it to be true
3. suspended Jamar
4. Reported to the NCAA (thinking things would be cleared up)
5. 12 hours till tip, NCAA rules Jamar is ineligible
6. before, during and currently we are working to get this reversed.
Look about right?
CC dodging all questions about the informant :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
CC dodging all questions about the informant :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?
Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
This is what I think is going to come out.
1. Tip from person who should be fired
2. Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3. Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4. Jamar to Frank "yup"
5. Frank "shazbot!"
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
This is what I think is going to come out.
1. Tip from person who should be fired
2. Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3. Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4. Jamar to Frank "yup"
5. Frank "shazbot!"
Makes a lot of sense. I can see Frank giving a massive facepalm and going "Why the eff did you tell me that jamar? Why the eff did you tell me?"
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.
Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have? Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees? Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?
For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.
Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have? Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees? Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?
For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?
Honestly, I would guess they would probably have to ask the player no matter how small. But when the allegation involves Curtis Malone and cash you can be damn sure that any compliance department/AD in our situation will ask regardless of the amount.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.
Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have? Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees? Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?
For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?
You know what I wish?
I wish it didn't feel like Currie wasn't on our side. You know?
I am thankful for his fund raising, but it's nothing that every single other AD at the BCS level doesn't do. We had very, very poor leadership in that way for the last decade, and by comparison Currie seems like a white knight. Glad to have it, but not going to award him AD of the Galaxy for it....it's just what you are supposed to do.
Where am I am missing the "skin" he is putting into the game? When he's out there applying for other jobs, whilst saying KSU is a destination job, it comes off as deceitful and shallow. Of course, the Wabash Station crowd never picks up on this....so I suppose he assumes that all is well.
Set me straight here...am I wrong to have this impression of Currie? What am I missing?
You know what I wish?
I wish it didn't feel like Currie wasn't on our side. You know?
I am thankful for his fund raising, but it's nothing that every single other AD at the BCS level doesn't do. We had very, very poor leadership in that way for the last decade, and by comparison Currie seems like a white knight. Glad to have it, but not going to award him AD of the Galaxy for it....it's just what you are supposed to do.
Where am I am missing the "skin" he is putting into the game? When he's out there applying for other jobs, whilst saying KSU is a destination job, it comes off as deceitful and shallow. Of course, the Wabash Station crowd never picks up on this....so I suppose he assumes that all is well.
Set me straight here...am I wrong to have this impression of Currie? What am I missing?
I would just say that I think he can want a better job and still be on our side. (I feel the same way about Frank, FWIW). Other than trim not liking him and townie rumors of frank not liking him, there's no reason to think he "isn't on our side", and I have no problem with any coach/AD at KSU wanting to move up the ladder in their profession.
it's really funny that some people (KK and MANY OTHERS I'm sure) can even throw stones at him for making too much profit. "all he's doing is building his resume"...."it's not his job to make a profit, donor's want to break even!" this poor bastard can't win for losing.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
This is what I think is going to come out.
1. Tip from person who should be fired
2. Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3. Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4. Jamar to Frank "yup"
5. Frank "shazbot!"
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cpt crap-
could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.
cpt crap-
could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.
Guessing the NCAA would've said "well what do you know right now?" Then we're back to the same result.
cpt crap-
could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.
Guessing the NCAA would've said "well what do you know right now?" Then we're back to the same result.
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Man you have to feel great right now.
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Man you have to feel great right now.
Karma works in magical ways.
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Man you have to feel great right now.
Karma works in magical ways.
:popcorn:
:popcorn:
Man you have to feel great right now.
Karma works in magical ways.
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I'm not sure you know what karma is.
:popcorn:
Man you have to feel great right now.
Karma works in magical ways.
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:popcorn:
Man you have to feel great right now.
Karma works in magical ways.
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Well that's not very TSC of you.
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Man you have to feel great right now.
Karma works in magical ways.
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I'm not sure you know what karma is.
Karma is watching a bunch of grapes stress out over an alleged NCAA violation after spending countless days and nights trying to diminish KU's dominance in basketball and blame all of our success on "cheating." Same thing happened when Mizzou got punked by Norfolk State.
Karma.
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I think it's just "irony." Like how it's ironic that we all know KU cheats, and we get bent out of shape about it, but then our own school gets nailed with punishment akin to cheating, even though we didn't cheat.
not sure if people have beaten this horse yet: where does the Jamar/Malone relationship stand with respect to the prior acquaintance exception and if this has happened before or was this the first transaction?
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.
More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.
Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
its confirmed that Darrel Arthur did not complete the requirements for college admittance. The issue is that KU was able to manipulate the clearing house to get him through and insulate the university from punishment.Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.
More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.
See what I mean? Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school?
Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.
More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.
See what I mean? Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school?
Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
its confirmed that Darrel Arthur did not complete the requirements for college admittance. The issue is that KU was able to manipulate the clearing house to get him through and insulate the university from punishment.Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.
More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.
See what I mean? Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school?
Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
This is what I think is going to come out.
1. Tip from person who should be fired
2. Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3. Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4. Jamar to Frank "yup"
5. Frank "shazbot!"
Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
This is what I think is going to come out.
1. Tip from person who should be fired
2. Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3. Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4. Jamar to Frank "yup"
5. Frank "shazbot!"
Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.
WHY? I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis. Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis. Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.
Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish. If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit. He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong. He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent. If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food. In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy. If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.
It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.
_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out. There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone. That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.
So if we learned anything out of this mess, it's that we need to have a booster's son as a walkon - let him buy all of the "groceries" and get Western Union out of the loop.
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
This is what I think is going to come out.
1. Tip from person who should be fired
2. Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3. Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4. Jamar to Frank "yup"
5. Frank "shazbot!"
Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.
WHY? I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis. Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis. Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.
Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish. If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit. He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong. He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent. If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food. In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy. If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.
It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.
_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out. There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone. That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.
WHY? I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis. Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis. Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.
Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish. If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit. He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong. He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent. If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food. In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy. If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.
It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.
_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out. There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone. That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.
WHY? I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis. Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis. Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.
Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish. If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit. He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong. He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent. If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food. In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy. If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.
It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.
_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out. There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone. That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to think Jamar was perfectly in the right to see why he thought taking money from Malone was OK but at the same time see why the NCAA would not agree.
Yeah. Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.
Yeah. Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.
Yeah. Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.
If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis.
That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis. That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.
Yeah. Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.
If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis.
That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis. That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.
This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.
Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.
I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.
Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.
I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.
Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.
Yeah. Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.
If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis.
That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis. That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.
This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.
True, but there's people in the athletic department with no duties other than compliance tasks. Frank wasn't part of the crew that instantly decided to report this. Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.
This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.
If I knew it and wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently.
We believe this to be a very isolated incident.
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.
mismatched turf
Maybe those guys only believe that if there is a third party who is going to turn us in.
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.
I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.
I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.
would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie? he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.
http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.
I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.
This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.
This quote from Malone is just ridiculous.QuoteIf I knew it and wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently.
And this quote from Currie seems to point at the message he was trying to get out from this.QuoteWe believe this to be a very isolated incident.
I think Currie is scared to death of Malone and what else he might say.
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.
would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie? he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.
http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html
Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous? Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.
would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie? he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.
http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html
Now that writer has some zeal. :love:
Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous? Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?
No, not at all. I just think its ridiculous that he would say it (along with the rest of the stuff he said). And that's why Currie is scared to death of him.
i just think it's nice that he gives money to samuels. maybe there's some weird angle that makes it all exploitative, but i don't know what the hell that angle could be.
WHY? I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis. Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis. Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis. Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.
Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish. If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit. He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong. He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent. If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food. In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy. If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.
It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.
Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous? Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?
No, not at all. I just think its ridiculous that he would say it (along with the rest of the stuff he said). And that's why Currie is scared to death of him.
Okay, I just see it as him being genuine. Even if it is believed that Malone is a total scum of the earth assbag, assbag scum have moments of sincerity. If I gave you $200 in front of a cop with good intentions and it turned out you were a drug trafficker, I would ask the cop why would I buy drugs where you could see me?
IMO Malone's stance is legit. If he's a legit bad guy who should be avoided I would think he would be more careful when sending $200 to a 6'7" black kid in a town of 50,000 white people. No matter what anyone thinks of Malone, he didn't get where he is by being sloppy or stupid.
i just think it's nice that he gives money to samuels. maybe there's some weird angle that makes it all exploitative, but i don't know what the hell that angle could be.
He'd have to have BOTH a hatred of Frank AND a sociopathic disregard for Jamar and his family.
But, that is still plausible in my little world of imagining what AAU handler types are like.
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.
PJ, I wasn't talking to you unless you think Jamar should have been cut off from a man he's knows since he was 11 because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell.
I feel your pain, EMAW. I really do. This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense. What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend? What possible reason is there for such a rule? I just don't understand it. A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games. The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200. It's complete and utter BS.
I feel your pain, EMAW. I really do. This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense. What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend? What possible reason is there for such a rule? I just don't understand it. A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games. The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200. It's complete and utter BS.
honestly, though, apart from samuels and kstate, what kind of a nosy busybody reports something like this? i can't even come close to imagining the mentality of this person. who are you? the stasi? mind your own rough ridin' business.
honestly, though, apart from samuels and kstate, what kind of a nosy busybody reports something like this? i can't even come close to imagining the mentality of this person. who are you? the stasi? mind your own rough ridin' business.
yeah that's really the most puzzling part about this.
Well, I feel pretty damn validated. Turns out I was right and :once again, Dax shot his load all over himself. :cool:
I feel your pain, EMAW. I really do. This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense. What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend? What possible reason is there for such a rule? I just don't understand it. A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games. The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200. It's complete and utter BS.
Malone didn't graduate from ksu dumbass
confused about what answers currie needs to have. the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.
jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right. end of story.
Trim, I want to see you do a :dnr: dance to John.
and my response to that is, so what? nothing changes.confused about what answers currie needs to have. the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.
jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right. end of story.
except we've heard all this from local media. The AD hasn't said anything since before the game on Saturday. Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
WE DEMAND THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES WITH REGARD TO THE MATTER OF WHY THEY ARE NOT CHEATING THEIR ASSES OFF!
i mean, that's sort of how i take this thread.
confused about what answers currie needs to have. the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.
jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right. end of story.
confused about what answers currie needs to have. the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.
jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right. end of story.
Frank's hand was forced, he didn't do what he thought was right, he did what saved his job. He wanted to play Jamar.
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)
Way to be a man, Frank!
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)
Way to be a man, Frank!
:dubious:
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)
Way to be a man, Frank!
:dubious:
Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)
Way to be a man, Frank!
:dubious:
Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.
when did he blame his boss?
He's, in my opinion, done nothing wrong. Please don't ask me any questions on it 'cause I had nothing to do with the decision. Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.
when did he blame his boss?Quote from: FrankHe's, in my opinion, done nothing wrong. Please don't ask me any questions on it 'cause I had nothing to do with the decision. Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.
Ownership! Being a man! :ksu:
when did he blame his boss?Quote from: FrankHe's, in my opinion, done nothing wrong. Please don't ask me any questions on it 'cause I had nothing to do with the decision. Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.
Ownership! Being a man! :ksu:
Are you advocating that he lie? Unless something changed like last week, compliance and the NCAA don't consult coaches for help when they assess punishment.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.
Or he could legitimately have odds with Currie over this :dunno:
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.
Or he could legitimately have odds with Currie over this :dunno:
Then either:
A) Be a man and come out and say it.
B) Be a man and handle your personal beef internally.
He chose the pussified middle ground instead.
Yes this was enjoyed very much by Jmart. Don't you remember that glorious leather jacket he had. :love:Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.
I don't think we heckled Krause.
There's nothing manly about A, unless you equate manliness with stupidity.
You have a problem on how Frank, in the heat of the moment, emotionally chose to say no no comment.
There's nothing manly about A, unless you equate manliness with stupidity.
You have a problem on how Frank, in the heat of the moment, emotionally chose to say no no comment.
Well we have a 36 goddam page thread bitching about how Currie chose to say no comment so I don't have a problem calling out the face of the Men's Basketball program for the same thing.
Yes this was enjoyed very much by Jmart. Don't you remember that glorious leather jacket he had. :love:Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.
I don't think we heckled Krause.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??
Would like to see them in a fight to the death. Winner stays.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??
Would like to see them in a fight to the death. Winner stays.
The Athletic Department is the institution in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Currie is the nurse. Frank is McMurphy.
People, people, people . . . take a step back and think about a world, a world where K-State doesn't say a damn thing.
Does this thread exist? No
Are we fighting amongst ourselves? No
Are we feeling bad for Jamar and Frank because of this situation? No
That's 3 solid No's . . . you just can't argue with that, don't even try.
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either. grow the eff up and see the big picture.
The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??
currie did exactly what he was supposed to do.
People, people, people . . . take a step back and think about a world, a world where K-State doesn't say a damn thing.
Does this thread exist? No
Are we fighting amongst ourselves? No
Are we feeling bad for Jamar and Frank because of this situation? No
That's 3 solid No's . . . you just can't argue with that, don't even try.
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Still thinking about how the NCAA did my bro JamSam and the crazy part is so much stuff happens at other schools and they sweep it under the
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Table and nobody does anything schools are paying for kids and breaking rules leaving conferences for money and Jam can't play his last game
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Because of 200 hundred dollars u can't tell me that's not bullshit but it doesn't bother them he didn't play his last game of his career smh
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Basketball is a game but it is a game that can change a life no matter fan or player but to the NCAA it's a business and we are replaceable
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Still thinking about how the NCAA did my bro JamSam and the crazy part is so much stuff happens at other schools and they sweep it under theQuote7m Jacob Pullen Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0
Table and nobody does anything schools are paying for kids and breaking rules leaving conferences for money and Jam can't play his last gameQuoteJacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0
Because of 200 hundred dollars u can't tell me that's not bullshit but it doesn't bother them he didn't play his last game of his career smhQuoteJacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0
Basketball is a game but it is a game that can change a life no matter fan or player but to the NCAA it's a business and we are replaceable
QuoteThe Athletic Department is the institution in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Currie is the nurse. Frank is McMurphy.
Wow, I haven't seen a Frank Murphy thread for some time.
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)
Way to be a man, Frank!
:dubious:
Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.
lets hang a banner
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)
Way to be a man, Frank!
:dubious:
Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.
My :dubious: was in reference to your "under the bus" comment. I thought you were weighing in on the Dax/Rams/Trim argument from earlier in the thread.
I agree with you though. Frank could've taken the high road and at least given the impression that he supported Currie...especially given CC's take on the matter (which I believe) that there was really no other choice. Given the facts that we now have (thanks to CC) Frank's comments paint him as whiny and bitter. I feel like I don't really have a dog in this fight because I like Frank and I like Currie and I want them both to stay. I do know from talking about this subject at length with a mutual friend of theirs that there is a rift in that relationship, and Frank's comments and the way he dealt with questions about Jamar lead me to believe he is at least partly to blame for the two of them not getting along. He definitely could've handled that better. I do kind of give him a pass though given the emotions he was probably feeling in that post-game presser.
I do find it curious that everyone is so quick to take Frank's side and paint Currie as the villain. Currie has done some great things since he's been here, yet everyone wants to hate on him for interviewing for other jobs. Meanwhile, you're all swinging on Frank's nuts whilst he openly lobbies for an interview for the Miami job. I mean whatever I guess...it's just weird.
FWIW, and not that you care, but you've been nails in this thread, Rusty.
Hey guys, I think since Rams, Trim and Dax are all best buds, we should think of a great nickname for them. What about "the three amigos"? Or something more simple, like "the trio"? I don't know, I'm open to suggestions.
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TY Rusty. Your analogy wins until daris puts together a rap masterpiece
Hey guys, I think since Rams, Trim and Dax are all best buds, we should think of a great nickname for them. What about "the three amigos"? Or something more simple, like "the trio"? I don't know, I'm open to suggestions.
the "Menage a trois"
TY Rusty. Your analogy wins until daris puts together a rap masterpiece
it would probably involve Malone hanging currie upside down over the balcony of a hotel room.
yes frank could have acted differently and acted like he supported currie. he could also have acted like he loved and supported a player that gave four hard, hard years to him and had all of those years taken from him at the last second.
much thanks to cc with some bits and pieces but he's no different from anybody here and types with a bias. there was quite a bit of opinion sprinkled in as well imo and not enough fact/timeline for me to really be sure about what i think. take it all with a grain of salt.
i don't think frank's comments make him sound whiny and bitter at all. weird that you do.
it's possible to like frank and currie and not like everything about each of them and openly talk about what you don't like. currie handled this and the aftermath poorly imo. it's ok to say that.
did you really have to talk to a "mutual friend" to decide there was a "rift". lol.
of course frank is partly to blame.
i thought frank handled it fine.
why would people not take frank's side. we at least know his. currie has not given his or even spoke about the situation. if he can't speak about then he should say so. everybody is just speculating and him putting his head in the sand doesn't help. i mean jesus christ. it seems like your whole opinion on the subject is based on what "captain crap" said on the goEMAW.com message board. again, i love cc but how rough ridin' weird of you is that? i mean jesus.
he has done some great things. not everybody hates him for interviewing other places. i'd say most don't. i don't.
why wouldn't we swing from frank's nuts? he's taken us to the tournament four out of five years with an elite 8 appearance. that's not weird. we are kansas state fans and i'm assuming most of us would rather win games then lose them.
yes. rusty has been great. i disagree w/ a lot of what he is saying but he's great. just an fyi though...if the whole thread was reversed then what he typed also would've been reversed. he's a contrarian. it's what he does and he's amazing at it.
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yes frank could have acted differently and acted like he supported currie. he could also have acted like he loved and supported a player that gave four hard, hard years to him and had all of those years taken from him at the last second.
much thanks to cc with some bits and pieces but he's no different from anybody here and types with a bias. there was quite a bit of opinion sprinkled in as well imo and not enough fact/timeline for me to really be sure about what i think. take it all with a grain of salt.
i don't think frank's comments make him sound whiny and bitter at all. weird that you do.
it's possible to like frank and currie and not like everything about each of them and openly talk about what you don't like. currie handled this and the aftermath poorly imo. it's ok to say that.
did you really have to talk to a "mutual friend" to decide there was a "rift". lol.
of course frank is partly to blame.
i thought frank handled it fine.
why would people not take frank's side. we at least know his. currie has not given his or even spoke about the situation. if he can't speak about then he should say so. everybody is just speculating and him putting his head in the sand doesn't help. i mean jesus christ. it seems like your whole opinion on the subject is based on what "captain crap" said on the goEMAW.com message board. again, i love cc but how rough ridin' weird of you is that? i mean jesus.
he has done some great things. not everybody hates him for interviewing other places. i'd say most don't. i don't.
why wouldn't we swing from frank's nuts? he's taken us to the tournament four out of five years with an elite 8 appearance. that's not weird. we are kansas state fans and i'm assuming most of us would rather win games then lose them.
yes. rusty has been great. i disagree w/ a lot of what he is saying but he's great. just an fyi though...if the whole thread was reversed then what he typed also would've been reversed. he's a contrarian. it's what he does and he's amazing at it.
Most of that is your opinion, which differs from mine, which is fine. IMO we still don't have enough facts for anybody to be taking a hardline stance one way or the other. I tend to believe CC because he confirmed what I suspected from the beginning. It's really not that weird at all. Just like if he would've confirmed your initial reaction you would've PI'd the eff out of anybody that questioned him. You know you would.
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
Currie gave just as insightful a statement as Frank, but everyone chooses to ignore it.
And FWIW, I would drive Currie down to the old Kreem Kup and put him on the first greyhound bus out of town if it meant we could keep Frank.
i think we are taking martin's side because we are humans.
i think we are taking martin's side because we are humans.
Finally, someone gets it. It's just like Kony.
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Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
what part of currie's side hasn't been given? LOL, you guys are hilarious.
ncaa: he's ineligible
currie: he's ineligible
currie: are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank: why did you bench jamar?
frank: i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW: :flush:
wow you're a rough ridin' idiot with low reading comprehension.its confirmed that Darrel Arthur did not complete the requirements for college admittance. The issue is that KU was able to manipulate the clearing house to get him through and insulate the university from punishment.Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.
More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.
See what I mean? Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school?
Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
No it's not. He didn't need that math class to graduate high school. KU is completely in the clear. You idiots never cease to amaze me. Keep 'em coming.
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I thought as MIR said that if a player is suspended by the NCAA they can't have contact with the team, ie be on the bench, am I wrong here?Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
what part of currie's side hasn't been given? LOL, you guys are hilarious.
ncaa: he's ineligible
currie: he's ineligible
currie: are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank: why did you bench jamar?
frank: i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW: :flush:
oh crap! when did currie say this? page 28?
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels
Has that been posted yet? Don't care if it has.
I thought as MIR said that if a player is suspended by the NCAA they can't have contact with the team, ie be on the bench, am I wrong here?Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
what part of currie's side hasn't been given? LOL, you guys are hilarious.
ncaa: he's ineligible
currie: he's ineligible
currie: are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank: why did you bench jamar?
frank: i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW: :flush:
oh crap! when did currie say this? page 28?
Fair enough indeed. I just figured if the NCAA was waving their disciplinarian finger at their petulant child they would say he couldn't be on the bench.I thought as MIR said that if a player is suspended by the NCAA they can't have contact with the team, ie be on the bench, am I wrong here?Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
what part of currie's side hasn't been given? LOL, you guys are hilarious.
ncaa: he's ineligible
currie: he's ineligible
currie: are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank: why did you bench jamar?
frank: i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW: :flush:
oh crap! when did currie say this? page 28?
I guess when they call 20 minutes before tip off they can't ban you from the building if you're already there.
finally got through this thread. the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.
finally got through this thread. the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.
that's easy to say now as an outsider looking at it retrospectively. you weren't there man. the bullets were flying.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels
Has that been posted yet? Don't care if it has.
SOLJ
finally got through this thread. the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.
finally got through this thread. the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.
I thought Pete was really good, too.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels
Has that been posted yet? Don't care if it has.
SOLJ
This is the best post in this thread. Great work 8man
granted, the bar was very low, but it made me chuckle a little and then i smiled and kinda stayed smiling for a few minutes even though i had moved on to other, less funny thoughts...then my girlfriend came in and said "what's are you smiling about?" and i didn't even realize i was still smiling....it was nice.http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels
Has that been posted yet? Don't care if it has.
SOLJ
This is the best post in this thread. Great work 8man
I'm a little :dubious: about it being the best in the thread, but :cheers: anyway, Fuktard.
is your girlfriend eastern european?
What is you are smiling about, baby?
is your girlfriend eastern european?
What is you are smiling about, baby?
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hey guys why don't we let players play coaches coach posters post and ads add?
However, we can't decide on our own which rules we want to follow and which ones we don't, nor would we want to participate in an organization where members have such latitude.
Still think we should've rolled the dice.
So John Currie slaps together a mass email and you fuckers just slurp that crap up... Every last drop. No chance he'd try to make this email portray himself in a good light... Nothing but the God honest truth from ol' JC ---- Buncha K-Tucks up in here.
So John Currie slaps together a mass email and you fuckers just slurp that crap up... Every last drop. No chance he'd try to make this email portray himself in a good light... Nothing but the God honest truth from ol' JC ---- Buncha K-Tucks up in here.
Made me so mad getting on twitter and seeing everybody kissing his ass after the e-mail.
Holy crap it is easy to appease this fan base.
We were one of 32 schools out of 338 NCAA Division I basketball-playing institutions to make the third round of the men's basketball tournament.
:lol:
so many of you are so off on this, it's really kind of weird.
@Cole_Manbeck: Kansas State has denied an open records request regarding how the NCAA/K-State discovered the suspension of Samuels. The request also (cont)This makes currie look as bad as the last two idiot athletic directors. What happened to all the " being. open" bullshit...
@Cole_Manbeck: asked for all information on how KSU argued for Samuels to play. Some stuff has to be protected due to privacy, but don't agree w/ this
@Cole_Manbeck: @robcassidy22 We have had every single open records request we've put in (that I can think of) denied by the new administration. Unreal.
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What happened to all the " being. open" bullshit...
rough ridin' hypocrite
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball?
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball?
Not really, because anyone can do it.
I would say it is more like being the guy that wears the gimp suit for some sexy dominatrix that is heavy into punishing balls and taints. Anyone can do this too, but a true EMAW'er is the gimp that likes it and asks for more then goes about his day and spends time on a message board talking with other gimps and discussing who's balls hurt worse and how awesome that is and who's gimp suit is the most stylish.
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball?
Not really, because anyone can do it.
I would say it is more like being the guy that wears the gimp suit for some sexy dominatrix that is heavy into punishing balls and taints. Anyone can do this too, but a true EMAW'er is the gimp that likes it and asks for more then goes about his day and spends time on a message board talking with other gimps and discussing who's balls hurt worse and how awesome that is and who's gimp suit is the most stylish.
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Thanks. I know who meek is, didn't know who the mark guy was.
they rough ridin' hate austin. how the eff do you hate austin meek? it's baffling.
they rough ridin' hate austin. how the eff do you hate austin meek? it's baffling.
they rough ridin' hate austin. how the eff do you hate austin meek? it's baffling.
hating meek is easy. dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].
they rough ridin' hate austin. how the eff do you hate austin meek? it's baffling.
hating meek is easy. dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].
:thumbs: he seems like an alright guy
they rough ridin' hate austin. how the eff do you hate austin meek? it's baffling.
hating meek is easy. dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].
:thumbs: he seems like an alright guy
yes. meek is great.
they rough ridin' hate austin. how the eff do you hate austin meek? it's baffling.
hating meek is easy. dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].
:thumbs: he seems like an alright guy
yes. meek is great.
You toss around adjectives too easily. I also had a really mean joke in the first version of this post, that I didn't post because I was criticizing your lack of restraint and it would seem really wrong to tack on a completely gratuitous, libelous, yet hilarious joke.
can't.
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday. That should be fun.
Anyone can attend our meetings.Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday. That should be fun.
Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday. That should be fun.
Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
Anyone can attend our meetings.
Anyone can attend our meetings.Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday. That should be fun.
Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
I can just imagine the DU president introducing ADJC to a chorus of boos and angry shouts from a large contingent of DUs and angry goEMAWers. :love:
Mock oscar,hatecurrie andschulz.
Mock oscar,hatecurrie andschulz.
It is very possible we will go through multiple decades of shitty athletics under Schulz. Must kill the head of the snake.
Mock oscar,hatecurrie andschulz.
It is very possible we will go through multiple decades of shitty athletics under Schulz. Must kill the head of the snake.
i still hate currie and don't hate weber.But what if Currie's behavior is just a product of Schulz? What if Schulz's behavior is just a product of his wife? One brave goemawer needs to break this marriage up!
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true. How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play. I am guessing at least 3, but probably more. I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.
What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?
I'm not jumping on that grenade.i still hate currie and don't hate weber.But what if Currie's behavior is just a product of Schulz? What if Schulz's behavior is just a product of his wife? One brave goemawer needs to break this marriage up!
Anyone can attend our meetings.Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday. That should be fun.
Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
So, this is what we're doing, right? All of goEMAW in attendance, nooses in hand?
Randolphyeah this is kinda a big one
:confused:Randolphyeah this is kinda a big one
"EMAW"Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true. How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play. I am guessing at least 3, but probably more. I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.
What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?
Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.
--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response
What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true. How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play. I am guessing at least 3, but probably more. I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.
What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?
Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.
--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response
What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?
Randolphyeah this is kinda a big one
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true. How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play. I am guessing at least 3, but probably more. I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.
What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?
Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.
--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response
What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?
not letting women's hoops players transfer
should have a transfers *Randolphyeah this is kinda a big one
it's filed under "Marcus Foster"
"They really killed us inside" - oscarI LOLed (inside).
Hey oscar, spoiler alert, we've been dead inside since you got here