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Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 01:38:06 PM
This had better be rough ridin' good.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 17, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
All I want to know is if it was self-reported.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 01:39:57 PM
Jamar and Frank's last game?

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 01:41:22 PM
Love ya, Pete, but I don't think Jamar was the difference today.

Our Freshman and Sophomore three-star guards just got outplayed by NBA talent.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Spaces on March 17, 2012, 01:41:41 PM
 :blank:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: D-FRED-BROWN on March 17, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 01:43:44 PM
Right with you this time Pete.

Anything short of chalk outlines in an alley and Jamar should play.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 17, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
if this was self reported I want the entire department fired
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 01:46:35 PM
Love ya, Pete, but I don't think Jamar was the difference today.

Our Freshman and Sophomore three-star guards just got outplayed by NBA talent.

I don't know, Panj.  Jamar's replacements were pretty horrible.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
eff him
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 17, 2012, 01:50:15 PM
Eh, Jamar would've helped, but in all likelihood, it wouldn't have mattered that much.  Jamar sucks for not playing by the rules (seriously, he shouldn't get a free pass), and Currie sucks for reporting it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 01:54:22 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 01:55:36 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 17, 2012, 01:56:26 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz
You're worse than JT, Dobbie and Fanning combined.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 01:56:58 PM
Jesus Christ Dax  :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 17, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
Hope he hires a good football coach. 

 :pray:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 17, 2012, 01:58:30 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz
You're a fool if you think Frank wouldn't have played him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 01:58:48 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz
You're worse than JT, Dobbie and Fanning combined.

Frank can't coach basketball.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 17, 2012, 01:59:05 PM
Frank was  :curse: :curse: :curse: during his presser.

Is Frank being Frank'd?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 01:59:23 PM
Samuels took money. JC was watching out for us, dumbasses.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:00:16 PM
Frank was  :curse: :curse: :curse: during his presser.

Is Frank being Frank'd?

god willing
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 02:00:28 PM
fanning, you don't have a scoop.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 17, 2012, 02:00:42 PM
If Jamar's suspension was unwarranted:
A. Frank says "eff you" and takes whatever job is available?
B. Currie get fired?

The only correct answer is the latter.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 02:01:13 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz

I never PI.  I just don't do it.

But, go eff yourself.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:02:04 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz

I never PI.  I just don't do it.

But, go eff yourself.

he can't coach basketball.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: D-FRED-BROWN on March 17, 2012, 02:03:35 PM
warm up the hate mail  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
Please PM me if you know how to get ahold of JamSam.  I want to know "his" side of this story. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 02:05:07 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Nice knowing you, Frank.

It's been a hell of a ride.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
Good Grief there are some terrible posters on this board.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 02:07:04 PM
fanning, you don't have a scoop.
I have a hell of a lot more than you do, dumbass.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: D-FRED-BROWN on March 17, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
JFC currie, whatever happened to MCMW?  :dubious:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 17, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
I feel like Bosco really let all of EMAW down today. No days off.  Wtf was he today?

Also, I am assuming jamar was indicted for murder or something

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
We beat Mizzou!  Twice!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 02:44:54 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 02:46:15 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

I thought the exact same thing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 02:46:38 PM
fanning, you don't have a scoop.
I have a hell of a lot more than you do, dumbass.

no you don't, fanning.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:46:54 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

Good thing you know it wouldn't of made a difference and we all knew that going in so we didn't give ourselves a chance
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

Good thing you know it wouldn't of made a difference and we all knew that going in so we didn't give ourselves a chance

 :cheers:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 02:53:13 PM
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT. 


Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town. 

He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 17, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
If the suspension ends up being bullshit and Frank leaves because Currie is a dumbass, I am never going to or watching a game again!!!  :chainsaw:

Yes, I know I won't be missed, but  :chainsaw: anyway.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 02:55:24 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:55:45 PM
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT. 


Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town. 

He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....

you could say the same for frank, pete
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 02:56:12 PM
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT. 


Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town. 

He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....

Is there really a school in the SEC interested in an AD who doesn't sweep things under the rug?  Vanderbilt maybe?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 17, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT. 


Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town. 

He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....

who else has told JC no in addition to UTenn?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT. 


Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town.

He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....

Here's my thing.  If Currie wants to leave, more power to him.  He cleaned up Krause's mess and put us in a better spot.

But if we lose Frank because of Currie, well, I've got a big problem with that.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 02:57:23 PM
Once again, Kansas State University pays the tab on John Currie's efforts to rebuild his image after being tainted with the hire of oscar Pearl at UT. 


Currie's mission: Clean up his image, and catch the first smoking ship out of town. 

He's already been widely rumored to have been interviewing at other places in the past....

i like currie. i think. him interviewing other places is not a rumor. i want to punch him in the face if he is in anyway responsible for this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 02:57:41 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.

im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game.  he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 17, 2012, 02:58:23 PM
Quote
If the suspension ends up being bullshit and Frank leaves because Currie is a dumbass, I am never going to or watching a game again!!!  :chainsaw:

Yes, I know I won't be missed, but  :chainsaw: anyway.

If the suspension wasn't justified, Currie should be out. Don't need add anything else.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 17, 2012, 03:00:17 PM
Quote
im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game.  he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.

JFC, stop. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 03:04:05 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.

im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game.  he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.

1)name the three
2)the guy averages 27 minutes a game and he is our leading rebounder. how the eff do not think that losing him makes a difference?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: LHarKSUCat on March 17, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)

Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
fanning, you don't have a scoop.
I have a hell of a lot more than you do, dumbass.

no you don't, fanning.
:toilet: I expect apologies when they go public, dumbasses.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 03:10:08 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.

im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game.  he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.

Just shut the eff up, dumbass. You sound ridiculously stupid right now. I'd like the read what everyone that's not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is saying about this situation without your stupid rough ridin' posts getting in the way.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:11:04 PM
:toilet: I expect apologies when they go public, dumbasses.

1)  you are already going public, you dumbfuck.
2)  everyone has already heard everything you've heard.
3)  consider the source.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 03:11:50 PM
here's the deal...who cares if jam plays today and we have to give up the w a month down the road? not me. not anybody. let him play and deal w/ potential consequences down the road. i mean wtf? w.t.f.?

WGAF if jam plays, he would have gotten dominated.  Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  He scored 1 god damn point against So. Miss.  and I love Jamar btw, but he wouldn't have made any difference in this game whatsoever.

you are an absolute rough ridin' idiot.

im not the one stating that jamar would have made a difference in this game.  he has had 3 good games in his entire rough ridin' career.

Just shut the eff up, dumbass. You sound ridiculously stupid right now. I'd like the read what everyone that's not Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is saying about this situation without your stupid rough ridin' posts getting in the way.

 :flush:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kcchiefdav on March 17, 2012, 03:12:12 PM
The point isn't whether or not Jam would have made the difference. The point is that he was part of the game plan and Frank had the rug pulled out from under him with less than 12 hours to adjust.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 17, 2012, 03:15:08 PM
it's these guys.

http://www.kstatesports.com/compliance/ (http://www.kstatesports.com/compliance/)

http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines/68664977.html
 (http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines/68664977.html)

Currie brought in Jamie Vaughn to head up the Compliance Office in 2009 and there has been a suffocating culture of over-compliance in all of the athletic programs since.

I really, really, want to know how all of this crap went down.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
:toilet: I expect apologies when they go public, dumbasses.

1)  you are already going public, you dumbfuck.
2)  everyone has already heard everything you've heard.
3)  consider the source.
Jesus Christ have a beer. It was a border line benefit. We wouldn't of won with him, dumbfuck.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 03:15:43 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 03:17:58 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
We wouldn't of won with him, dumbfuck.

of course we would have.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.

It's like you're not smart, dumb person.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 03:21:14 PM
We wouldn't of won with him, dumbfuck.

of course we would have.

Not that that point even matters.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
Sorry for the name calling guys. This is just really aggravating.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 03:22:38 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.

fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today is beyond me as a rational thinking human.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 03:23:39 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.

It's like you're not smart, dumb person.
denied. try again.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.

fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today?

daris, you are probably the best poster on this board, but there is no way we win this game with jamar.  it would have been closer, but we still lose, so who cares.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 03:28:30 PM
Daris, I appreciate you being real about it. I love Samuels, I really really do. But I think the anger should be pointed at him. Even JO's mom said it wouldn't surprise her. It's ok to believe he mumped up. With that said, he would have made an impact, but they were clearly the better team.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.

fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today?

daris, you are probably the best poster on this board, but there is no way we win this game with jamar.  it would have been closer, but we still lose, so who cares.

how the eff do you know? both mu and duke lost yesterday. did you correctly predict those games? seriously, did you? eff no you didn't. you play that game ten times with jamar and we win three times. you play it without jamar and we win once. losing him was a huge, huge blow.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 17, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)

Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....

Well those quotes from Frank should take care of the "eff John Currie" talking point. 

But it probably won't.  :facepalm:
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 03:38:55 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
It's like you didn't watch his last two games, smart person.

fanning, i like you but you and anybody living that takes this line is going to fall into "dumbest people in the world" category for me. the rough ridin' guy averages damn near thirty minutes a game. he is our second leading scorer. he is our leading rebounder. just how the eff can you say that it didn't potential hurt us and our ability to win today?

daris, you are probably the best poster on this board, but there is no way we win this game with jamar.  it would have been closer, but we still lose, so who cares.

how the eff do you know? both mu and duke lost yesterday. did you correctly predict those games? seriously, did you? eff no you didn't. you play that game ten times with jamar and we win three times. you play it without jamar and we win once. losing him was a huge, huge blow.

Especially with JO on the bench with fouls and Gip ineffective, and Gruds hurt.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 03:40:06 PM
Daris, I appreciate you being real about it. I love Samuels, I really really do. But I think the anger should be pointed at him. Even JO's mom said it wouldn't surprise her. It's ok to believe he mumped up. With that said, he would have made an impact, but they were clearly the better team.

my current anger is pointed at you and other people saying that him not playing was a non factor in the outcome. i could care less right now about jamar or currie or frank or whatever, but you are a complete dumbass for saying that syracuse would've won regardless.

who the eff cares who the better team is/was? who is/was better...mu or norfolk? would norfalk have won if o'quinn would've been ruled ineligible right before the game? eff man. don't be such a rough ridin' idiot. it might have made a difference. how the eff can you disagree w/ that.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: youchooseausername on March 17, 2012, 03:45:07 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Martin's quote is:

"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''

I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 03:51:21 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Martin's quote is:

"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''

I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.

why? not that i disagree.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 03:52:07 PM
Daris, I appreciate you being real about it. I love Samuels, I really really do. But I think the anger should be pointed at him. Even JO's mom said it wouldn't surprise her. It's ok to believe he mumped up. With that said, he would have made an impact, but they were clearly the better team.

my current anger is pointed at you and other people saying that him not playing was a non factor in the outcome. i could care less right now about jamar or currie or frank or whatever, but you are a complete dumbass for saying that syracuse would've won regardless.

who the eff cares who the better team is/was? who is/was better...mu or norfolk? would norfalk have won if o'quinn would've been ruled ineligible right before the game? eff man. don't be such a rough ridin' idiot. it might have made a difference. how the eff can you disagree w/ that.
   :cry:  :clac: :clac:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 03:58:54 PM
This absolutely blows my mind.

I mean, can anyone on here fathom Cheyenne Zulu suspending Tyshawn Taylor for a fringe improper benefit 15 minutes before a tournament game?

I mean, really?

It goes like this, Cheyenne, you've got one effing job.  Make Bill Self happy and don't interfere with the basketball program and the way we win basketball games.



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)

Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....

Well those quotes from Frank should take care of the "eff John Currie" talking point. 

But it probably won't.  :facepalm:

i like the way martin enunciates "err".  i know how he enunciates "err" because i watched the rough ridin' presser, from which these rough ridin' quotes are drawn.  the one where he rough ridin' said it was not his decision to not let samuels play and where he rough ridin' proclaimed that samuels did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 04:14:43 PM
This is what finally draws the line in the sand.

Are you #teamFrank?

Ask yourself that question.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 04:16:17 PM
Team frank
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
This is what finally draws the line in the sand.

Are you #teamFrank?

Ask yourself that question.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7701275/2012-ncaa-tournament-kansas-state-wildcats-hold-jamar-samuels-eligibility-concern)

Frank makes it sound like he was involved with the decision to hold Jamar out....

Well those quotes from Frank should take care of the "eff John Currie" talking point. 

But it probably won't.  :facepalm:

i like the way martin enunciates "err".  i know how he enunciates "err" because i watched the rough ridin' presser, from which these rough ridin' quotes are drawn.  the one where he rough ridin' said it was not his decision to not let samuels play and where he rough ridin' proclaimed that samuels did nothing wrong.

#teamdaris #teampete #teamsys #teamramskimcarnesfanningaredumbasses

and most importantly #teamfrank

i'm so hurt and angry right now.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:18:08 PM
This is what finally draws the line in the sand.

Are you #teamFrank?

Ask yourself that question.

Throw Currie in the 'Kaw unless by some miracle this wasn't self-reported.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 04:18:30 PM
Team frank

All we wanted is a chance. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 04:18:52 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Question.  Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 04:23:02 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Question.  Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?

no crap. not the point dumbasses. bigger picture you effing morons.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:23:33 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Having Jamar in could potentially have changed the dynamic on both sides of the court. Fewer buckets down low. Not having to rely exclusively on JO inside. Pressure taken off of Rodney and Angel and Sprads to create. 'Cuse is good, and if they shot the way they did in the second half, it wouldn't have mattered. But if Jamar was in, there's a chance he flusters them enough to make it so that they don't shoot that way. There's a chance our offense isn't so atrocious.

But now we'll never know. That's the point.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Question.  Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?

It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this.  Like when artist dies young, for example.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 04:24:51 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Oh heh.  I get it.

I'm going to go back to #teamfrank, but feel free to stay over there on the sidelines with #teamirreverent.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Question.  Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?

It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this.  Like when artist dies young, for example.

Immortalized? Come on. We all know that Jamar could have Jamar'd as well as possibly made a difference. Nobody with a brain on here is suddenly going to elevate JamSam into some sort of pantheon. It just sucks that he and Frank got mumped over.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Question.  Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?

It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this.  Like when artist dies young, for example.

No its not acutally.  It's important to determine whether or not Currie even gives a crap about the basketball program. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 04:27:28 PM
Actually, I think it is more naive to think that there's a decent chance that Samuels would have made a difference today than not.  Syracuse was just way better.  Before they started trying to run out the clock with 6:00 left, they were crushing us in the second half.  And Samuels is overall pretty replaceable.  Being the leading or second leading anything isn't that big of a deal on a team full of role players.

Question.  Why are you guys arguing about if Samuels would've made the difference or not?

It's important to determine whether or not his career will be unduly immortalized because of this.  Like when artist dies young, for example.

I know you're trolling, but just for the uninformed....

legacy/career judgements being made:

1) John Currie
2) Frank Martin

I hope to influence both of them.  Jamar will always be loved, but no more or less because of this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chemhawk on March 17, 2012, 04:30:01 PM
#TEAMFRANK

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: LHarKSUCat on March 17, 2012, 04:32:38 PM
Austin Meek ? @austin_meek
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
Austin Meek ? @austin_meek
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.

Someone on the phog said $200.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 04:33:45 PM
Austin Meek ? @austin_meek
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
oh eff me sideways
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 17, 2012, 04:37:05 PM
@austin_meek: Malone didn''t believe gift represented an impermissible benefit because of his pre-existing relationship with Samuels and his mother.


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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 04:37:45 PM
The next time I see John Currie I'm going to toss him a couple C-notes and tell him to put them toward the Jamar Samuels Snitches Get Stitches Legacy Scholarship.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
The next time I see John Currie I'm going to toss him a couple C-notes and tell him to put them toward the Jamar Samuels Snitches Get Stitches Legacy Scholarship.

 :lol: /  :angry:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 17, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
@austin_meek: Malone didn''t believe gift represented an impermissible benefit because of his pre-existing relationship with Samuels and his mother.


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Fire Currie. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 04:39:31 PM
great job by meek
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:39:46 PM
I sense a board renaming coming from this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 04:41:56 PM
if i believe anyone who says that something curtis malone did was on the up and up, it's curtis malone.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 04:42:10 PM
I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
Of course Jamar playing would have made a positive difference, unless you think it was better for Gipson to be shooting all of those free throws.  Gipson hadn't played the high post all season and that is integral to beating that zone.  How Jamar played the previous games is completely irrelevant because the style of play is completely unique.  Jamar is a better passer, shooter, drawer of fouls, free throw shooter, ball handler, and rebounded than Gipson at this point.  How you feel about if the team would have been better with Jamar is a litmus test, not of basketball knowledge but of common sense.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 04:46:32 PM
I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?

agreed.  samuels legacy should be that of a eff up, not the guy who could have been the difference.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?

Assuming they didn't "do that in private" don't you think the fact that they didn't do it in private indicate that they didn't have anything to hide?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 04:47:09 PM
Of course Jamar playing would have made a positive difference, unless you think it was better for Gipson to be shooting all of those free throws.  Gipson hadn't played the high post all season and that is integral to beating that zone.  How Jamar played the previous games is completely irrelevant because the style of play is completely unique.  Jamar is a better passer, shooter, drawer of fouls, free throw shooter, ball handler, and rebounded than Gipson at this point.  How you feel about if the team would have been better with Jamar is a litmus test, not of basketball knowledge but of common sense.

How Jamar played in the previous game is also completely irrelevant because it has been his whole career.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 04:47:36 PM
I'm as mad as anyone at JC, but what kind of rough ridin' moron(read Jamar and Malone) can't do that in private?

Assuming they didn't "do that in private" don't you think the fact that they didn't do it in private indicate that they didn't have anything to hide?

No, it indicates they're rough ridin' retards.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jmlynch1 on March 17, 2012, 04:49:49 PM
Austin Meek ? @austin_meek
Jamar Samuels suspension believed to be related to financial benefit from Curtis Malone, founder of the DC Assault AAU organization.
pfft I hope this book never ends
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
If Meek's story is accurate it is bad for Currie and compliance.  It would be quite easy to prove a prior relationship.  They have a documented relationship that's at least a decade long.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 04:51:13 PM
Well this certainly explains why the DC Pipeline dried up.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 17, 2012, 04:55:34 PM
Of course Jamar playing would have made a positive difference, unless you think it was better for Gipson to be shooting all of those free throws.  Gipson hadn't played the high post all season and that is integral to beating that zone.  How Jamar played the previous games is completely irrelevant because the style of play is completely unique.  Jamar is a better passer, shooter, drawer of fouls, free throw shooter, ball handler, and rebounded than Gipson at this point.  How you feel about if the team would have been better with Jamar is a litmus test, not of basketball knowledge but of common sense.

How Jamar played in the previous game is also completely irrelevant because it has been his whole career.
Besides JO, over the course of his career, he's played better than any post on our team did today.

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 04:56:33 PM
i wanna lock currie in sandusky's cell and throw away the key.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 17, 2012, 04:56:48 PM
If Meek's story is accurate it is bad for Currie and compliance.  It would be quite easy to prove a prior relationship.  They have a documented relationship that's at least a decade long.

Yeah, Malone's quotes make it sound like this has been happening for a while.


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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 17, 2012, 04:57:15 PM
Doesn't help that Malone was just charged with assault three days ago.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Whale on March 17, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
I expect a Currie statement any time now:

"Well, we called the NCAA to see if it was an issue, but they never called us back!  You should totally be mad at them, not us"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Doesn't help that Malone was just charged with assault three days ago.

This is relevant in what universe?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 17, 2012, 05:01:00 PM
Doesn't help that Malone was just charged with assault three days ago.

This is relevant in what universe?

The NCAA's attention universe
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: BEFR on March 17, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
Somebody set me straight.... So our ad and complience people error on the side of caution, presumably so their reps are intact and we can claim due diligence and institutional control should the Beasley allegations ever flare up? And jamars last college game is a casualty of currie legal posturing (assuming that snake Malone IS the issue). That would be a crying shame for jamsam to have been such an ill treated pawn in a larger game of greed and politics
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 17, 2012, 05:01:52 PM
So, if we don't suspend him, and just for shits & giggles, lets say Jamar makes up a 16 point difference (LOL), and we beat 'Cuse...then this week, or next month, whenever it comes to light that Jamar DID have eligibility issues and we forfeit everything...you guys that hate Currie now would have his back then?

If it IS 'just' $200 from a family friend, I agree it looks bad, but it isn't like Currie is handed a dossier with 100% of the facts (i.e. he doesn't know if that $200 is a one time thing, or the only thing he knows about right now). He has to make a judgement call based on what he has, and he HAS to take Jamar's history of boneheaded decisions into account.

just sayin
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 05:03:33 PM
A goddamn townie reported the money transfer.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1344399
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 05:03:51 PM
Someone saw this and reported it?  Hope the power tard that did this rots in hell
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 05:06:22 PM
omfg. you motherfucking townies
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CHONGS on March 17, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
why the hell do our fans hate frank? jfc
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 05:08:31 PM
we will never have anything nice. never.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 05:08:45 PM
Somebody set me straight.... So our ad and complience people error on the side of caution, presumably so their reps are intact and we can claim due diligence and institutional control should the Beasley allegations ever flare up? And jamars last college game is a casualty of currie legal posturing (assuming that snake Malone IS the issue). That would be a crying shame for jamsam to have been such an ill treated pawn in a larger game of greed and politics

 :thumbs: don't think the beasley thing has anything to do with Currie's thinking though, otherwise spot on.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 05:09:03 PM
Even money says it's Fitz that saw it and reported it so he could have a scoop.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 17, 2012, 05:09:25 PM
Unfuckingbelievable.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Whale on March 17, 2012, 05:09:39 PM
So, if we don't suspend him, and just for shits & giggles, lets say Jamar makes up a 16 point difference (LOL), and we beat 'Cuse...then this week, or next month, whenever it comes to light that Jamar DID have eligibility issues and we forfeit everything...you guys that hate Currie now would have his back then?


The eff kind of question is this?  Of course you take the win(s) now. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Whale on March 17, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote
"It's an eligibility issue that would typically indicate an NCAA issue," Currie said. "We're working to get it resolved as quickly as we can.

"That's our total focus."

Welp, John....guess you might as well take the rest of the weekend off.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 05:14:17 PM
how does this even happen? who the hell does this? how are we this incompetent?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 05:14:47 PM
this is like 100 times better than just a regular old loss.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 17, 2012, 05:15:08 PM
I am amazed that we still have any type of athletics at KSU considering how rough ridin' stupid our fans are.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
Can someone find our where Jamar banks?  I'll be heading up a picket and boycott.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 05:17:34 PM
western union at a grocery store. I mean why not deliver him a rough ridin' game show check at halftime of the USM game.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Saulbadguy on March 17, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
this is like 100 times better than just a regular old loss.
Agreed.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 17, 2012, 05:19:08 PM
western union at a grocery store. I mean why not deliver him a rough ridin' game show check at halftime of the USM game.

I really enjoyed this post Rusty.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: youchooseausername on March 17, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Martin's quote is:

"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''

I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.

why? not that i disagree.

Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now).  Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:

"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."

I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32.  If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 05:21:24 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Martin's quote is:

"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''

I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.

why? not that i disagree.

Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now).  Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:

"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."

I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32.  If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).

you might be the absolute stupidest person i've ever encountered.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
I hate our fans so rough ridin' much.  Frank is gonna bolt now.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 05:22:29 PM
Are effing kidding me . . . this was all about a little foldin money?

That's probably the nightly hand out in Doug Compton Jr's room at Jayhawk Towers.

Never gonna win anything like this.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 17, 2012, 05:23:08 PM
this might be the most ridiculous story i've ever heard. It can't be real. Can't be.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 05:24:00 PM
I hate our fans so rough ridin' much.  Frank is gonna bolt now.

it would be detrimental to frank's career to remain at k-state. he's got one hand tied behind his back.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 17, 2012, 05:24:10 PM
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly?  Guessing yes on the first, no on the second.  eff Currie.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 05:25:00 PM
For 4th of July I'm going to get a John Currie pinata filled with cash money and invite the bball team over to smash the crap out of it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly?  Guessing yes on the first, no on the second.  eff Currie.

I think Curries a "let the burning bridges light my way" kind of guy.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: youchooseausername on March 17, 2012, 05:28:21 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Martin's quote is:

"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''

I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.

why? not that i disagree.

Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now).  Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:

"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."

I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32.  If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).

you might be the absolute stupidest person i've ever encountered.

We should hang out or something.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 17, 2012, 05:28:41 PM
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly?  Guessing yes on the first, no on the second.  eff Currie.

I think Curries a "let the burning bridges light my way" kind of guy.

I'll try to remember this post later when I'm in a mindset to appreciate it.  I think it was pretty good.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wazucat on March 17, 2012, 05:30:34 PM
For 4th of July I'm going to get a John Currie pinata filled with cash money and invite the bball team over to smash the crap out of it.

LOL
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 05:31:35 PM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Martin's quote is:

"In my opinion, he's done nothing wrong," said Martin, who also declined to provide details on the nature of the issue. "You always have to err on the side of caution and not do something and look back on it and then regret your decision.''

I believe the "he" in this quote is referring to Currie, not Jamar.

why? not that i disagree.

Mostly because of the second half of the quote about erring on the side of caution (the "side of caution" being the decision to hold JamSam out in case the Malone relationship turns out to be deeper than we know right now).  Also, Frank had a second quote that I interpreted as him backing Currie's play:

"As a university, we have to take a stance and protect our university. Unfortunately, it put him in a tough spot."

I agree with Currie and Frank on this; there is no reason to place the university in a position of risk so that we can play JamSam during our run to the round of 32.  If we were a 2 seed, my position would be different (as morally grey as that sounds).

Two things, one if you watched the press conference you would know he was talking about Jamar and not Currie.  Secondly, pretty sure that quote is wrong.  I believe Frank actually said Jamar and not Currie, Rob Cassidy has the quote in his story correctly.

Either way your theory is dumb, no offense.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 05:32:28 PM
For 4th of July I'm going to get a John Currie pinata filled with cash money and invite the bball team over to smash the crap out of it.

then he'll cancel the season
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 05:33:43 PM
pete is so good at thread titles
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
Id wait until John fucks over the baseball team too
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 05:35:03 PM
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly?  Guessing yes on the first, no on the second.  eff Currie.

At this point the west side project is strictly fundraising.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 17, 2012, 05:37:39 PM
Serious question, are the practice facility and BSFS expansion far enough along that Currie leaving wouldn't derail them significantly?  Guessing yes on the first, no on the second.  eff Currie.

At this point the west side project is strictly fundraising.

 :bawl:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
This whole department/fanbase is mumped.  Lets burn it down and start our own alternative K-State.  We get all the nice things, they don't rough ridin' deserve them.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
How many western union's can there be in grocery stores in MHK?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
I like the part where Malone said that if he wanted to hide the money he would have done it differently.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jmlynch1 on March 17, 2012, 05:41:14 PM
How many western union's can there be in grocery stores in MHK?
A quick google search shows Hy-Vee and two Dillons
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
Jamar/Malone should sue the crap out of them.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
I like the part where Malone said that if he wanted to hide the money he would have done it differently.

I like the part where tully cochran tweeted that the $200 was probably not for food because they feed the team on the road.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 05:43:24 PM
@austin_meek: Malone didn''t believe gift represented an impermissible benefit because of his pre-existing relationship with Samuels and his mother.


Only at K-State.  Lol. 

So small time all you can do is laugh and shake your head in disbelief.



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 17, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
is there a way to track down the nark townie at the goddamn bank/dillions? i want blood.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 05:46:36 PM
is there a way to track down the nark townie at the goddamn bank/dillions? i want blood.
I tweeted Cassidy telling him to name the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), he said he's working on it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 05:49:08 PM
I find it amazing that someone took time out of their day to report a $200 money transfer to a basketball player.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on March 17, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
good god. i feel so bad for jamar.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 17, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
K-State basketball players will now be off limits from Dillards and Dillons?

Only at K-State.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 05:52:32 PM
If the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) works at Western Union, he has to be breaking any number of company privacy policies.  He better lose his job over this crap.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 05:53:15 PM
Don't come to K-State good basketball players, if you're hungry and need some walking around money and a friend sends it to you . . . some townie is going to run over to the AD and get you suspended.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 17, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Don't come to K-State good basketball players, if you're hungry and need some walking around money and a friend sends it to you . . . some townie is going to run over to the AD and get you suspended.

Wait a second.....CPAHawk works as a cashier at Dillon's?  JFC!  Just our luck.  #NOBAMA #nationallyrecognizedkudegrees
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
1) i bet the western union thing is legit. my guess is westloop dillons.
2) jesus christ. this happens everywhere. how t f though? i mean how t f does it get out here? and now?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
good god. i feel so bad for jamar.

good god.  I feel so bad for K-State basketball fans.



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 05:56:45 PM
pgtr92
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
good god. i feel so bad for jamar.

good god.  I feel so bad for K-State basketball fans.





The non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) ones at least.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 17, 2012, 05:58:07 PM
might as well just burn the whole program to the ground now. it's over.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2012, 06:00:13 PM
It makes me sad that jamar can't order a pizza and a stack of 20's show up in the crazy stix box that he didn't order.  The fact that he has to even go to Curtis for money is a travesty to our program.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 06:01:51 PM
It makes me sad that jamar can't order a pizza and a stack of 20's show up in the crazy stix box that he didn't order.  The fact that he has to even go to Curtis for money is a travesty to our program.

yeah. asbury days used to be that way and we got nothing but junction city recruits.  :frown:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
1) i bet the western union thing is legit. my guess is westloop dillons.
2) jesus christ. this happens everywhere. how t f though? i mean how t f does it get out here? and now?

Is it even legal to divulge that type of information?  You would think there are some pretty basic privacy safeguards that would protect the public and their financial transactions.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
probably not "illegal" but unethical and grounds for termination.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 06:03:54 PM
It makes me sad that jamar can't order a pizza and a stack of 20's show up in the crazy stix box that he didn't order.  The fact that he has to even go to Curtis for money is a travesty to our program.

I hope fans of big time basketball programs are reading this and laughing their asses off.  $200 bucks . . . smh.  Damn
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 17, 2012, 06:07:25 PM
1) i bet the western union thing is legit. my guess is westloop dillons.
2) jesus christ. this happens everywhere. how t f though? i mean how t f does it get out here? and now?

Is it even legal to divulge that type of information?  You would think there are some pretty basic privacy safeguards that would protect the public and their financial transactions.

this. BSAC?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 06:07:29 PM
Doug Compton is having a hearty laugh at the expense of our amateur hour basketball program right now.

:embarrassed:



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 06:11:01 PM
Doug Compton is having a hearty laugh at the expense of our amateur hour basketball program right now.

:embarrassed:


yeah  :frown:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: D-FRED-BROWN on March 17, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
NCAA should be burnt to the ground.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
NCAA should be burnt to the ground.

I don't think the NCAA had anything to do with this dude.  Some townie reported this to our athletic dept and we sat samuels.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
How hard is it for whatever secretary that took the initial call to go "Our head compliance guy is out of town, I'll have him get back to you" and just move it to the bottom of the pile.  Unless we beat Syracuse, then you lose that crap.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstater on March 17, 2012, 06:48:30 PM
So. rough ridin'. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Quote from: random KSU "fan"
@Riley_Gates Close
We cant be mad at @john_currie or @frankmartinksu. Jamar made a mistake. The punishment was the right thing to do. #kstate #EMAW
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 06:51:25 PM
some humble, stupid ass townie was scared they would have to go confess their sins for not "doing the right thing". Ill just go ahead and blame Christianity.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
How hard is it for whatever secretary that took the initial call to go "Our head compliance guy is out of town, I'll have him get back to you" and just move it to the bottom of the pile.  Unless we beat Syracuse, then you lose that crap.

from an employee of a company that probably no longer works there due to shady ass crap.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: KSU-Krazie on March 17, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
So. rough ridin'. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Quote from: random KSU "fan"
@Riley_Gates Close
We cant be mad at @john_currie or @frankmartinksu. Jamar made a mistake. The punishment was the right thing to do. #kstate #EMAW


Well, looks like we have a pretty strong lead on the townie. I mean this amount of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) has to run in the family.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bruce on March 17, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
Meek on Deadspin:
http://m.deadspin.com/5894236/reports-jamar-samuels-ineligible-because-his-former-aau-coach-gave-him-money-before-ncaa-tournament-[update]
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 3maw on March 17, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
if this crap is true... :bang: why waste money on our mbb/fb  teams anymore. That's like 23 billion dollars (rough est.) to get our quidditch team off the ground. eff logic.

in all seriousness, jc has always had a hidden agenda written right on his face, and this tip was TGTBT for his career to pass up. Makes sense. Preseason lynch mob on the narc?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 07:14:04 PM
So. rough ridin'. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Quote from: random KSU "fan"
@Riley_Gates Close
We cant be mad at @john_currie or @frankmartinksu. Jamar made a mistake. The punishment was the right thing to do. #kstate #EMAW


Well, looks like we have a pretty strong lead on the townie. I mean this amount of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) has to run in the family.

JFC.  I don't even...

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don't ask don't tell..

and yet, K-State still decided to tell.. It's called integrity.. i'm happy to see Manhattan still has some of it while so much of our society seems to lack it

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 17, 2012, 07:17:41 PM
It is amazing how pissed I am and it has nothing to do with the game. The townie posts about integrity are not helping.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 07:23:15 PM
What do you expect from the average white townie (no offense to the the "good" townies on this board).

I remember going to a couple of townie events held on campus back when I was at K-State, as the invited guest of a member of the K-State faculty.  Sitting at dinner tables in the K-State Union ballroom, surrounded by middling to upper crust townie types.   Unbelievable.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 07:25:12 PM
It is amazing how pissed I am and it has nothing to do with the game. The townie posts about integrity are not helping.

It's only beginning.  Just wait until the contract renegotiation / coaching carrousel starts.

This is going to be a hell of a next two months.



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 17, 2012, 07:28:22 PM
Meek on Deadspin:
http://m.deadspin.com/5894236/reports-jamar-samuels-ineligible-because-his-former-aau-coach-gave-him-money-before-ncaa-tournament-[update]

"Update 7:40 p.m.: CBS Sports is reporting that Malone transferred 200 dollars to Samuels because "[t]he kid's family doesn't have anything and he called me for money to eat." Samuels reportedly received the money on Monday and was informed of the NCAA's decision today."

May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?

The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 07:28:52 PM
Its good to have integrity and Im happy that Kansans are some of the nicest people around, but Jesus Christ. $200 from an old friend and some stupid ass super religious Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) townie thought they better phone it in to Currie. God damn it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 17, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
I wonder if he asked gpc for the phone number/email adress before he reported it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 07:36:35 PM
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?

The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story

we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 07:37:50 PM
eff you sys and Michigancat. "Fanning doesn't know crap. He's a respect". Please die.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 17, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?

The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story

we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?


Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 07:46:21 PM
eff you sys and Michigancat. "Fanning doesn't know crap. He's a respect". Please die.

what you posted was posted with more detail on phog.net before you did your little "look at me" shitstorm. Like I said, you had no scoop.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 07:48:38 PM
Is it not still up in the air as to whether this was even an improper benefit?

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?

The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story

Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?

If the NCAA suspends you they do not let you attend NCAA sanctioned events.  Jamar's presence on the bench is a glaring indicator that he was sat by Currie and the compliance cuntfaces.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 07:56:16 PM
eff you sys and Michigancat. "Fanning doesn't know crap. He's a respect". Please die.

shut up, luke-scoopsfanning.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 17, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?

The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story

Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?

If the NCAA suspends you they do not let you attend NCAA sanctioned events.  Jamar's presence on the bench is a glaring indicator that he was sat by Currie and the compliance cuntfaces.

makes sense and if he is proved to be have been eligible, i will face punch currie in some kind of death match of his choosing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
May be an update typo, but that says it was NCAA's Decision - So, Currie might have known about this prior to Thu, & let Jamar play, then it was taken out of our hands?

The thing that nobody has brought up...with a 'Minor' violation like this, doesn't the player just have to repay any 'improper' benefits received, and after that, is eligible? Surely the guys on the roster could have come up w/ $200 to cover this on the spot, we self report that we found out about it, he paid back the $$, and he plays, and this is a non-story

Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

we just did this a year ago, do you seriously not remember the rule and process?

If the NCAA suspends you they do not let you attend NCAA sanctioned events.  Jamar's presence on the bench is a glaring indicator that he was sat by Currie and the compliance cuntfaces.

That's what it looks like.



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Feel bad for Jamar . . . damn.

Is K-State on Spring Break?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 08:01:07 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jmlynch1 on March 17, 2012, 08:02:39 PM
Feel bad for Jamar . . . damn.

Is K-State on Spring Break?
yes
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 17, 2012, 08:04:40 PM
Feel bad for Jamar . . . damn.

Is K-State on Spring Break?
yes

So this means that Food Services/Training Table was not open right?  (gotta get that Training Table built ASAP)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 17, 2012, 08:12:53 PM
what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

dunno, no one ever does that.  i'm sure it'd be bad.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 17, 2012, 08:19:53 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What are they going to do?  Pull our tourney wins after the fact?  I am completely ok with that
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 08:32:34 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception.  If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game.  Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 08:34:57 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.

Agreed.

I hate our fans.  Fools.  Just rough ridin' fools.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

Self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing.  Also please remove Frank's name from your thought process, it was not a joint decision.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on March 17, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
Is this bullshit even impermissible?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 08:42:20 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that.  it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar.  people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception.  If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game.  Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.

Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 17, 2012, 08:45:24 PM
I'm just really sad about how this all played out. 

Poor Jamar.

 :frown:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 08:46:58 PM
Sys and Michigancat showing their true colors as dipshits in this thread. Congrats guys. Dumbasses. "Hey, we're the cool edgy guys. We'll PI ppl till they think we know more about basketball, but we really suck at life.". Dumbasses.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Barry McCockner on March 17, 2012, 08:47:18 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that.  it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar.  people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.

So, do you think we would have won with Jamar?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 17, 2012, 08:49:28 PM
Sys and Michigancat showing their true colors as dipshits in this thread. Congrats guys. Dumbasses. "Hey, we're the cool edgy guys. We'll PI ppl till they think we know more about basketball, but we really suck at life.". Dumbasses.
Okay we get it, ITKFanning.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2012, 08:50:36 PM
Scoops Fanning
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Barry McCockner on March 17, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
Someone give him a cookie so he'll stfu.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 17, 2012, 08:53:12 PM
Ya, didn't want to be this respect. But these two dipshits drop me to this level every time. They apparently have something against me.I know I've been a douche in this thread, but eff. What did I do to those dipshits besides try to drop some info off?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Deez Nutz on March 17, 2012, 09:02:17 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.

Agreed.

I hate our fans.  Fools.  Just rough ridin' fools.

Lots of people here seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the person who reported this was a religious narc shirt-tuck powerespect townie.  But until we know more details about it, I don't think that assumption is totally warranted.  It could very well have been somebody who has a bone to pick with KSU basketball or even a fan of a different team, like a Huskerpride-type that happens to live in Manhattan.  In fact, I met an older guy one time that was a townie who worked at the Dillon's in Westloop who totally hated the crap out of K-State and hoped the lost every single game.  Don't know if he still works there or not, but maybe it was him.  I doubt an actual KSU fan would have reported it.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 09:04:33 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception.  If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game.  Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.

Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?

Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident.  Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing.  Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him.  There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception.  If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game.  Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.

Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?

Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident.  Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing.  Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him.  There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.

Makes sense.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2012, 09:12:32 PM
What do you expect from the average white townie (no offense to the the "good" townies on this board).

I remember going to a couple of townie events held on campus back when I was at K-State, as the invited guest of a member of the K-State faculty.  Sitting at dinner tables in the K-State Union ballroom, surrounded by middling to upper crust townie types.   Unbelievable.

It's the worst. There are many good townies but SO MANY BAD TOWNIES. I rough ridin' hate it. It's awful. Did we learn nothing??? (http://www.kstatecollegian.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-sweep-secrets-under-the-rug-1.2464362?firstComment=20#.T2VEDk_NuQs)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
that was a good scoop, faninng.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 17, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.

Agreed.

I hate our fans.  Fools.  Just rough ridin' fools.

Lots of people here seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the person who reported this was a religious narc shirt-tuck powerespect townie.  But until we know more details about it, I don't think that assumption is totally warranted.  It could very well have been somebody who has a bone to pick with KSU basketball or even a fan of a different team, like a Huskerpride-type that happens to live in Manhattan.  In fact, I met an older guy one time that was a townie who worked at the Dillon's in Westloop who totally hated the crap out of K-State and hoped the lost every single game.  Don't know if he still works there or not, but maybe it was him.  I doubt an actual KSU fan would have reported it.

Whatever, Christian.


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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

Problem is a majority of our fanbase would. That's why we will never have nice things.

Agreed.

I hate our fans.  Fools.  Just rough ridin' fools.

Lots of people here seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the person who reported this was a religious narc shirt-tuck powerespect townie.  But until we know more details about it, I don't think that assumption is totally warranted.  It could very well have been somebody who has a bone to pick with KSU basketball or even a fan of a different team, like a Huskerpride-type that happens to live in Manhattan.  In fact, I met an older guy one time that was a townie who worked at the Dillon's in Westloop who totally hated the crap out of K-State and hoped the lost every single game.  Don't know if he still works there or not, but maybe it was him.  I doubt an actual KSU fan would have reported it.

it was probably some low life.  i mean really, who works at western union?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 17, 2012, 09:21:44 PM
JFC, from the scout site: "Unfortunately, most athletes spend that money on PS3's, tattoos, Jordan shoes, and everything else in this world that is not a necessity."
I haven't had much use for the "I hate our fans" attitude, but I hate having anything in common with that eff head racist.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: JKEYS on March 17, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
western union at a grocery store. I mean why not deliver him a rough ridin' game show check at halftime of the USM game.

This may be the best post in the entire 10 page thread!  LOL
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
Yeah, losing our second leading scorer, leading rebounder 5th year senior post player literally moments before the biggest game of most of our teams lives for a completely unexplained reason I'm sure had no impact on anything whatsoever, thanks incredibly smart person.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 10:00:10 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that.  it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar.  people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.

That's why I put that "mere shot" part in there.  I was very specific.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SdK on March 17, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
DNR after page 3.


While you cannot say that we win with Jamar, you also cannot say we lose with or without him. That's rough ridin' stupid.

Gip was subpar today and that's ok. Gip being subpar when subbing in for Jamar is a lot different than Gip being subpar while attempting to spell Jamar.

Jamar is without a doubt the most important player to this team this year. Regardless of his stat line, this team doesn't win without Jam. It just doesn't work. Anyone that thinks another player on this team is KSU's mvp is an idiot.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 17, 2012, 10:01:27 PM
I understand the anger, i'm pissed too, but Currie and Frank got it right.  The anger should be directed at townie-narc-eff.   I wish we could sweep this crap under the rug, but crap like that will come back to bite you in the ass.

What "bite" could be worse than the mere shot at a sweet sixteen?  Vacating it? 

No one on here would disapprove of Currie if that happened.

....but Currie's future employers might, and that is what this was about.

we wouldn't be in the sweet 16, quit suggesting that.  it is so rough ridin' ridiculous to suggest that we would have won with jamar.  people should be mad that jamar was suspended, but that is not why we lost.

That's why I put that "mere shot" part in there.  I was very specific.

i know you were, pete.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 17, 2012, 10:11:23 PM
It's 10 pm and I am still so pissed I can't formulate coherent thoughts on the subject....eff.   :curse:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 17, 2012, 10:12:24 PM
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Cole Manbeck ? @Cole_Manbeck
From rulebook: "current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable (continued)

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Cole Manbeck ? @Cole_Manbeck 
"living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

 :dubious:
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception.  If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game.  Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.

Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?

Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident.  Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing.  Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him.  There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.

I'm with you on this, but is it within the realm of possibility that we did this to say, "Hey, we knew about the potential of a minor infraction between Curtis Malone and one of our players, and we sat that kid prior to an NCAA tournament game.  Do you think we would have allowed Mike Beasley to play an entire year if we knew he was getting money from Malone and Joel Bell?" when the big investigation comes to town?

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: nicname on March 17, 2012, 10:25:53 PM
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk.  The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward.  Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
You morons are missing the obvious.  Malone is sucking up to Cuse and when Jamar mentioned he needed dough Malone saw his window.

Who the eff Western Unions anyone money, let alone $200, except someone who wants the receiving person to get caught?

Still a crap show but clear our rube ass AD got taken again.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 10:33:39 PM
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW

what thread please?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down.  Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk.  The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward.  Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.

Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 10:42:19 PM
Clams, text me Malone's number.

How can't you guys see this obvious crap?  Jamar could easily get $200 in manhattan.

The dumbest rubes in the game got schooled.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 10:46:27 PM
Western rough ridin' Union?  Where on earth?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: D-FRED-BROWN on March 17, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
should have used Paypal  :cry:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-von on March 17, 2012, 10:50:01 PM
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk.  The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward.  Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.

Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.

I haven't been on much today, has there been much talk about the post game press conference?  I just watched it on ncaa.com and Frank made it obvious for the first time publicly (that I know about) that he is royally pissed off at Currie. If you think about how much Frank cares about Jamar, this could be a big issue since he said he wouldn't have held Jamar out.

If Frank wants him gone, JC needs to get the eff out.  I don't have a good feeling about the situation if JC stays.

Edit: just saw the thread on the presser.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Benja on March 17, 2012, 10:52:15 PM
SERIOUSLY, WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?
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Post by: chum1 on March 17, 2012, 10:52:51 PM
I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?

WHO THE eff ARE YOU?  WHO THE eff IS A BENJA?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW

what thread please?

Well, purplepat, instead of spending time on a bbs, just pay attention to Yanni or Celtic Woman. We both know you have one of them playing on your townie-tuck 22 inch tv.    :curse:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot.  under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty.  under $300 is 3 games (for bball).  when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report.  the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception.  If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game.  Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.

Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?

Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident.  Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing.  Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him.  There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.

I'm with you on this, but is it within the realm of possibility that we did this to say, "Hey, we knew about the potential of a minor infraction between Curtis Malone and one of our players, and we sat that kid prior to an NCAA tournament game.  Do you think we would have allowed Mike Beasley to play an entire year if we knew he was getting money from Malone and Joel Bell?" when the big investigation comes to town?

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

I'm somewhat confused by what you're asking.  No matter the reasoning Currie & compliance has for sitting him is shaky for two simple reasons.
1. What was reported may turn out not to be a violation.  The NCAA didn't rule anything.  You sit guys for things that are obvious violations and you as an athletic department couldn't possibly justify playing said player(s).  The example that we are most familiar with is Jake and Curt last year.  What they did clearly constituted receiving improper benefits.  This case whether or not Curtis Malone fits the NCAA's description of someone who can give money to Jamar is up to interpretation.  In this case Currie should have bit the bullet and let the NCAA decide.
2. By self reporting the athletic department clears themselves of any potential for being hammered for a cover-up or any other nefarious behavior.  An athletic department will not/cannot get hammered for playing a kid who may or may not be eligible.  The best example of this is Auburn and Cameron Newton.

Your Beasley example/question has no relevance to this conversation because clearly the Malone/Beasley relationship differs from that of Jamar.  Also pretty safe to assume that Jamar isn't getting money from an agent.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
this was currie covering his ass.  nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wetwillie on March 17, 2012, 11:05:28 PM
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
Can't WAIT for Captaincrap to weigh in on this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2012, 11:08:03 PM
Scout board is driving me up the rough ridin' banana wall tonight.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=8817922&p=1


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Catsdo and Feartheneckbrace:

Are you saying that programs that are clean and run the right way cannot be successful? Seriously? Coach LHC Bill Snyder may have something to say about that.

Are you saying that you would rather go to the NCAA tourney every year with a cheating program than the NIT with a program that does not cheat? Seriously?

Cheating your way to wins is not true success. It is empty. It is like someone bragging about how they beat all of their friends playing Trivial Pursuit, when they looked up all the answers on the cards in advance. How can you feel good about that?

I'm glad AD Currie did things the right way, even if you find it so small-townish.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 17, 2012, 11:08:43 PM
this is clearly a case of a guy putting his resume above everything else.
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Post by: Winters on March 17, 2012, 11:10:31 PM
JFC
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Winters on March 17, 2012, 11:11:01 PM
#TeamKillCurrie
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
All you people with Twitter need to be rough ridin' assaulting him on there tonight.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 11:13:06 PM
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance?  And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?

Guys.  Really? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SuperG on March 17, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?

It could have, and most likely would have been a completely different game. With Jamar at the high-post I don't think we look nearly as helpless against the zone.

At this point it would be in Currie's best interest that these "benefits" are deemed impermissible. From what's been reported, my common sense tells me they are not. This will be interesting.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:16:33 PM
I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down.  Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.

You're serious about this?  I assure you that this wasn't the first time.

My second biggest fear of fallout from this is that the NCAA rules that there was no prior relationship between Malone and Jamar, and they discover that it has happened more than once and Frank's and the school's records get wiped for a significant portion of the last four years.

Let's say that's all bullshit though.  Do you really think that the way into a program of a coach who will eventually win 1000 games is to screw over another program?  Why would Boeheim trust Malone if he is going to jam up a program whenever he gets butthurt.  If this was some elaborate plot why not take out Rodney or Rodney and Jamar?  Did he also pay the customer service agent at Dillons, Walmart, or HyVee to snitch?  Of course if Curtis did this he would have told Jamar a very specific time and place to pick up the money gram and hope that his plant wasn't on break when Jamar went in.

Your theory is ummm, interesting.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on March 17, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance?  And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?

Guys.  Really?

I mean, would it have been so tough to drop a couple be cnotes in the mail to jamar.  Had to western union that crap......

You have me thinking about it LSOC.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Winters on March 17, 2012, 11:19:56 PM
I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down.  Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.

You're serious about this?  I assure you that this wasn't the first time.

My second biggest fear of fallout from this is that the NCAA rules that there was no prior relationship between Malone and Jamar, and they discover that it has happened more than once and Frank's and the school's records get wiped for a significant portion of the last four years.

Let's say that's all bullshit though.  Do you really think that the way into a program of a coach who will eventually win 1000 games is to screw over another program?  Why would Boeheim trust Malone if he is going to jam up a program whenever he gets butthurt.  If this was some elaborate plot why not take out Rodney or Rodney and Jamar?  Did he also pay the customer service agent at Dillons, Walmart, or HyVee to snitch?  Of course if Curtis did this he would have told Jamar a very specific time and place to pick up the money gram and hope that his plant wasn't on break when Jamar went in.

Your theory is ummm, interesting.
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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: nicname on March 17, 2012, 11:20:12 PM
this is clearly a case of a guy putting his resume above everything else.

Pretty much all that needs to be said, and all that we need to know. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 17, 2012, 11:20:29 PM
Seriously, though.  Twitter people. Bombard Currie immediately and do it ad nauseum. Hold his feet to the fire and call attention to this crap so much that he has no choice but to answer some legit questions. Whip out your cameraphone and TMZ him if you see him out and about in town.  Make that rough rider give us some answers.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:23:50 PM
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance?  And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?

Guys.  Really?

I mean, would it have been so tough to drop a couple be cnotes in the mail to jamar.  Had to western union that crap......

You have me thinking about it LSOC.

So you propose that Malone should have mailed two hundred dollars cash in an envelope overnight?  You're aware that usps, FedEx, and UPS along with checks and money orders also leave a paper trail, right?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: catsdo on March 17, 2012, 11:25:28 PM
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 11:27:02 PM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

It's mostly born of ignorance.  They have no clue as to what they're thankful for.  If you attempted to tell them that they could have reported this but still played Jamar, they would be too stupid to understand.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 11:32:05 PM
Pimping Boeheim's integrity?  I mean.... Just....no way
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-von on March 17, 2012, 11:36:01 PM
I think Frank would be incredibly happy with us if we completely demolish Currie on this.

Feels kind of good to have a villain again.  Was getting kinda boring.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 17, 2012, 11:36:19 PM
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

As long as they are teaching these kids some integrity, that's the most important thing.

Nevermind the 20K other students that attend KSU.  We need to make sure that the athletes are being "raised" with integrity.


 :angry:


I just want to rough ridin' scream.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 11:36:36 PM
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk.  The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward.  Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.

Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.

I haven't been on much today, has there been much talk about the post game press conference?  I just watched it on ncaa.com and Frank made it obvious for the first time publicly (that I know about) that he is royally pissed off at Currie. If you think about how much Frank cares about Jamar, this could be a big issue since he said he wouldn't have held Jamar out.

If Frank wants him gone, JC needs to get the eff out.  I don't have a good feeling about the situation if JC stays.

Edit: just saw the thread on the presser.


People are getting wrapped up in the small picture here and not focusing on the big picture.

Small picture:  Sitting a player and costing our chance at winning a game.

Big Picture:  Frank is publically at odds with Currie, again, because his program has been undermined by an over zealous compliance department and opportunistic AD.

If you're a K-State basketball fan, it should be more than evident at this point that this internal conflict is very real and we could be headed down a path none of us want this to go with a contract negotiation looming and a number of jobs about to open up.





Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:37:05 PM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 17, 2012, 11:40:03 PM
I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

These are the same townie K-State dumbfucks that would still be defending Tom Asbury if they could.  A lot of people simply relish mediocrity.  It's a sad truth.



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 11:44:01 PM
He isn't getting to bed with anyone.  He didn't ask for anything.  Malone did it, expecting something later. 

But btw, Boeheim doesnt give any crap about who he is in bed with, his program is as filthy as any that has taken the court in the past 20 years.  Whether academics, drugs or benefits (child rape ) they are absolutely what I'd love us to be without the rough ridin' little kids and being hilariously dismissive of every NCAA rule that ever existed.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 17, 2012, 11:44:29 PM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 11:45:16 PM
If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 11:50:07 PM
If I had just bought $200 worth of drugs from you, and I didn't want to get caught paying you, would I Western Union that crap to Dillons?

Jfc
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 11:50:55 PM
If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.

I just stayed away knowing what would happen.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 17, 2012, 11:54:04 PM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

Quote
"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2012, 11:54:29 PM
 Guys on scout still use Western Union to move $$
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
If I had just bought $200 worth of drugs from you, and I didn't want to get caught paying you, would I Western Union that crap to Dillons?

Jfc

If you bought drugs from me you wouldn't be trying to give me money in any other way than face-to-face, certainly not halfway across the continent.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 17, 2012, 11:57:43 PM
SkinnyBenny, Currie has been getting bombarded on twitter today, but unfortunately he is gonna get away with it. Im sure Fitz and co will give him a free pass.  :chainsaw:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 11:59:17 PM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

Quote
"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done.  MIR made a really good point.  We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to. 

We self reported a minor violation at a bad time.  The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.

Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:01:00 AM
If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.

Yep.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kstatefreak42 on March 18, 2012, 12:01:07 AM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

Quote
"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done.  MIR made a really good point.  We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to. 

We self reported a minor violation at a bad time.  The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.

Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.
Im with you.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 12:01:53 AM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

Quote
"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

Yes, I think panj is only reading replies to his posts.  Of course there is going to be a paper trail because they weren't trying to hide anything.  The argument here is that Curtis Malone had a relationship with Jamar before he was a prospective student athlete making the payments permissible.  I thought I covered this when you were babbling about Malone, Beasley, and Bell. 

No one is hiding anything its a simple rule interpretation which is why Curries act was so rough ridin' ridiculous.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 18, 2012, 12:12:31 AM
Yes, I think panj is only reading replies to his posts.

Mostly, yes.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 12:13:49 AM
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 12:14:13 AM
I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

Quote
"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done.  MIR made a really good point.  We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to. 

We self reported a minor violation at a bad time.  The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.

Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.

What you said was no where close to my point.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 12:14:52 AM
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 18, 2012, 12:15:36 AM
eff me, this is such a k-state way to end a season.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:15:55 AM
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.

The rough ridin' Vice President of the United States of America was in the crowd.  The game was against Syracuse...a historic program.  It was in the prime spot on CBS.........



....and John Currie let Jamar Samuels sit there like a criminal...and just let the country assume the worst.


eff YOU, JOHN CURRIE.  eff YOU.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wes mantooth on March 18, 2012, 12:18:24 AM
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

Wow i didnt even think of it like this. What a rough ridin' coward.

The rough ridin' Vice President of the United States of America was in the crowd.  The game was against Syracuse...a historic program.  It was in the prime spot on CBS.........



....and John Currie let Jamar Samuels sit there like a criminal...and just let the country assume the worst.


eff YOU, JOHN CURRIE.  eff YOU.

yeah, i don't see anyway john currie doesn't come out of this not smelling like a bag of mixed dicks
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 12:20:54 AM
mixed dicks? :opcat:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 18, 2012, 12:23:15 AM
What you said was no where close to my point.

My apologies.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 18, 2012, 12:23:58 AM
Does this qualify as K-State0?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 12:26:01 AM
Does this qualify as K-State0?

Yes
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Scary Smart on March 18, 2012, 12:26:16 AM
I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 18, 2012, 12:28:22 AM
I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.

Yeah, Pete has completely nailed it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 18, 2012, 12:32:45 AM
Wow.

Quote
Santiago 007 ? @melvetedehondur

@john_currie Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Curried $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 12:33:44 AM
I don't really see how anybody can disagree with Pete's last few posts. I didn't really think about it this way earlier today, but Currie deserves all the blame here. What an bad person.

Yeah, I've never actually hated Currie until today.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:34:51 AM
I mean, it's even rough ridin' worse than we initially thought.  John Currie still hasn't said a rough ridin' word. Why?  And then I think about the rough ridin' pukes who are condemning Jamar right now...

A dude on twitter, a ksu fan I didn't know, had the perfect summation:


Quote

@cfoster_ks


Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Currie $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker. #emaw


There it is.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 12:35:11 AM
He's a rough ridin' coward. Jamar is what, 22 years old? I cant imagine that happening to me at that age. Most the people watching around the country probably thought, "what a jerk that youngster is, he must have raped a young white girl after stealing her car."

Way to rough ridin' go, John.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:35:49 AM
Wow.

Quote
Santiago 007 ? @melvetedehondur

@john_currie Send Jamar $200 and you've defiled the integrity of the game. Send John Curried $200 and you get an Ahearn Fund sticker

 :excited:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:37:28 AM
Well, whomever tweeted that was brilliant.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 12:37:59 AM
We need to rough ridin' unionize the student athletes.  I'm not joking.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 12:39:49 AM
We need to rough ridin' unionize the student athletes.  I'm not joking.

What do student athletes get for stipend these days? dax?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: catsdo on March 18, 2012, 12:43:07 AM
Go eff yourself, Mr. Currie.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 12:46:44 AM
The sad thing is that Currie has the tucks convinced that a violation was actually committed here, when it appears a rule very well might not have even been broken.

Lack of Institutional control.  Doing things the right way?  I mean, how do you even start to combat this level of stupidity?

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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: catsdo on March 18, 2012, 12:48:10 AM
Even if a rule had been broken, it was so small and meaningless that I would not have given a crap whatsoever.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Scary Smart on March 18, 2012, 12:49:31 AM
I'd really like to hear CaptainCrap's thoughts on this situation.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
There arent very many people that im ashamed to have associated with K-State, but Currie just about penciled himself in with Krause and BTK.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 12:56:30 AM
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.


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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 12:59:01 AM
I'd really like to hear CaptainCrap's thoughts on this situation.

I think it is asking a great deal for him to comment positively or negatively about the compliance department and the CEO of the Athletic Department, especially relating to a student-athlete.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 12:59:49 AM
Just another glorious chapter in K-State incompetence when it comes to operating a multimillion dollar institution.

This is what we do.





Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 18, 2012, 01:01:32 AM
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.


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Quote from: Seth Davis
This Jamar Samuels story makes me sick. THAT was the reason the kid missed his last game? Please somebody fix this once and for all!!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 18, 2012, 01:01:59 AM
Just another glorious chapter in K-State incompetence when it comes to operating a multimillion dollar institution.

This is what we do.

K-State Compliance: Where Amazing Happens
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 01:03:52 AM
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.


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The incompetence.  My God.




Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Scary Smart on March 18, 2012, 01:19:05 AM
I'd really like to hear CaptainCrap's thoughts on this situation.

I think it is asking a great deal for him to comment positively or negatively about the compliance department and the CEO of the Athletic Department, especially relating to a student-athlete.

Yeah I know and I didn't actually expect him to comment on it for this very reason, it would just be interesting if he could.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:20:48 AM
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 01:22:52 AM
@SethDavisHoops: K State should have let him play and if they had to vacate the game, so be it. I'd rather have the memory than the $$. Not that much anyway.


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Quote from: Seth Davis
This Jamar Samuels story makes me sick. THAT was the reason the kid missed his last game? Please somebody fix this once and for all!!

THIS IS WHAT JOHN CURRIE DECIDED.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 18, 2012, 01:23:11 AM
Hell, if he would just come out and say something, ANYTHING, I'd be okay with it.  Might not agree with it, but I'd be okay. 

You made a decision, John.  Now own it, and don't let someone who has given this much to the program get thrown under the bus like this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 01:24:10 AM
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?

I think that John Currie thinks that.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:24:52 AM
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?

I think that John Currie thinks that.

Why? Who would be impressed by nitpicking the rules and running off the best employee you have?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 01:26:36 AM
He wants to polish up on his way to a BIG TIME sec job or something.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 18, 2012, 01:27:10 AM
Because the university presidents who do the hiring want someone who can demonstrate that they are squeaky-clean and follow everything to the letter of the law, I'd guess? :dunno:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 01:27:21 AM
if this comes off as a defense of currie, so be it, although that is not my intention.


1)  i'm sure the decision to sit samuels was not reached without some informal consultation with the ncaa.
2)  the worst case, not just for kstate, but for everyone, would have been samuels plays, kstate wins, samuels investigation finished in the ensuing 4 days with a determination that he should have been ineligible.  at that point, what happens?  i have can't imagine, because i've never heard of such a case.  syracuse plays?  wisconsin just advances without a game?  some alternate universe penalty imposed on kstate in lieu of their win being vacated?  i can't imagine that the ncaa would risk that sort of pr nightmare just to be fair to samuels.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 01:28:08 AM
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?

I think that John Currie thinks that.

Why?

I think he runs a "large tent."  I believe that he believed that most of his constituency would be behind him, AND that he'd show prospective employers that he improved the facilities and donations at KSU whilst staying compliant...and a compliance "event" is just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 01:29:23 AM
I don't like Currie.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 01:30:29 AM
Why does everyone think this would look good on Currie's resume?

I think that John Currie thinks that.

Why? Who would be impressed by nitpicking the rules and running off the best employee you have?

show experience?
Resume:
-pressbox
-training facility
-dealt with and controlled crooked coaches who had been hired by the previous AD regime

or to get Frank to leave so he can show he can actually make a good hire.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 01:32:41 AM
Maybe he just did it so he can talk about it in a job interview:

Alabama U President: So what would you do if a caught wind that a player may have received impropper benefits?

Currie: Well, this one time......





that greedy ass rough rider.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 18, 2012, 01:35:56 AM
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.

That's why they have 12 National Championships.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
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Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:38:18 AM

I think he runs a "large tent."  I believe that he believed that most of his constituency would be behind him, AND that he'd show prospective employers that he improved the facilities and donations at KSU whilst staying compliant...and a compliance "event" is just icing on the cake.

 "Compliance events" are icing on the cake? Yes, I'm sure Florida would love to have a few high profile "compliance events" during bowl season or the week before the uga game. They love that kind of crap.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 01:39:37 AM
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.

That's why they have 12 National Championships.

I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 18, 2012, 01:48:52 AM
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.

That's why they have 12 National Championships.

I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.

I know, I was just making a LOL.  Came out mean-ish sounding.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:51:27 AM
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.

That's why they have 12 National Championships.

I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.

I know, I was just making a LOL.  Came out mean-ish sounding.   :cheers:

To be fair, every school that pays more than KSU would be a bad example.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2012, 01:54:54 AM
I've had a good 12 hours to digest this and four hours of driving from Manhattan to Oklahoma with nothing but my thoughts and some jams to listen to. I'm still angry. Not because we lost. I'm angry that athletes like Jamar, Jacob, and CK get made scapegoats out of by our stoolpigeon athletic department for doing the most minor of minor transgressions (or in Jamar's case, maybe no transgressions at all). John Currie throwing student athletes under the bus makes me angry enough, but what's worse is that the tucks/townies will eat this up and will use this as ammo that our basketball program is "clearly out of control" and Frank is an unhinged madman who shouldn't represent K-State.

This is what they want. Student athletes getting thrown under the bus if they don't fit the shirt tuck mold of a student-athlete from the rough ridin' 1950's. Recruiting classes full of five-hearts from Goodland and Junction City. Mediocre results as long as every last rough ridin' thing is done "the right way." See a basketball player in the hallway and he picks up a quarter lying on the ground? Someone clearly left that for him and it's an impermissible benefit. Gotta turn him in so we can do things "the right way." After all, he's black, so he can't be trusted with any money that's not given to him by KSU, right?

eff this crap. Pete's right, unionization has to happen for college players, and damned soon. This is just straight up abusive.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-von on March 18, 2012, 01:58:18 AM
The Alabama president would show him the rough ridin' door right then and there.

That's why they have 12 National Championships.

I know, but i was just making a point. Bama was a bad example.

I know, I was just making a LOL.  Came out mean-ish sounding.   :cheers:

Alabama would be happy to have a guy with a clean compliance record.  They just make it clear during the interview process that sort of stuff is taken seriously, and that there is a "chain of command" that things have to run through so problems disappear in the process.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 02:20:40 AM
Curtis Malone is a "suit?"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 18, 2012, 02:25:09 AM
Curtis Malone is a "suit?"

Yeah this was simultaneously bemusing and befuddling
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jtksu on March 18, 2012, 02:36:09 AM
An entire thread devoted to melting down over hearsay and personal guesses about Jamar.  Just when I think our fanbase can't possibly be any dumber...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: TBL on March 18, 2012, 02:38:27 AM
You know, this event has brought about an interesting idea. What would happen if someone would email an athletic department from a soon-to-be-played school and said that one/two/three of their players violated some nca2 rule, whether true or not. Maybe even telling that school that a "cc" had been sent to nca2 compliance? Would that keep certain "star" players from enjoying the fun of playing in a major game? Only a thought, but it does show how easy it is for a lone douchebag to totally screw up a season.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 02:42:19 AM
An entire thread devoted to melting down over hearsay and personal guesses about Jamar.  Just when I think our fanbase can't possibly be any dumber...

 :flush:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 18, 2012, 03:11:05 AM
So, if we don't suspend him, and just for shits & giggles, lets say Jamar makes up a 16 point difference (LOL), and we beat 'Cuse...then this week, or next month, whenever it comes to light that Jamar DID have eligibility issues and we forfeit everything...you guys that hate Currie now would have his back then?

If it IS 'just' $200 from a family friend, I agree it looks bad, but it isn't like Currie is handed a dossier with 100% of the facts (i.e. he doesn't know if that $200 is a one time thing, or the only thing he knows about right now). He has to make a judgement call based on what he has, and he HAS to take Jamar's history of boneheaded decisions into account.

just sayin

These kind of quotes absolutely astonish me. We lost by 20 because we didn't give up at the end and kept fouling. If Jamar would have made even a 6 point difference, that could have been all that we needed.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CrushNasty on March 18, 2012, 03:38:38 AM
Love Pete in this thread.      (Except he missed on the "Currie is doing this for his resume" point.)

LOSC's Malone-Cuse theory is hilarious, too.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CrushNasty on March 18, 2012, 03:42:21 AM
I feel bad for everyone that ever again has to hit the recruiting trail with this in their rear-view mirror.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CrushNasty on March 18, 2012, 03:50:56 AM
Not the biggest point, but...


if we can't feed Jamar, then i just..... idk where to rough ridin' start with our athletic department...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CatsFan_58 on March 18, 2012, 04:21:34 AM
Frank was quoted after game saying he believed that Jam did nothing wrong, and that all other questions should be directed to the AD....was tweeted by sporting news.

Frank is a pathetic excuse for a basketball coach.   LOL at anyone blaming this crap show on currie.  LOFLz
You're worse than JT, Dobbie and Fanning combined.
I know they just gave computer privileges down at achievement services...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2012, 05:52:56 AM
do I have the cliffs right

*Jamar gets $200 from Malone for food
*some townie reports it to K-State
*JC decides to sit Jamar even with a legit 'out' as MIR indicates with the prior relationship rule (hope I didn't screw that up)
*JC issues no statements and allows excessive tuckism to erupt
*NCAA did not suspend Jamar or indicate their leaning one way or the other
*tucks support the decision while fans who live in the real world become mind mumped
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 06:27:18 AM
jttuck says its "hearsay".

So, Malone didn't wire Jamar $200, it is not understood that this may not have even been an NCAA violation, Jamar was NOT suspended for the game by the athletic department for doing something that MAY NOT have been an NCAA violation.   It was not reported that a 3rd party narc'd on Jamar when he received a wire transfer from Curtis Malone. 

Again, it's all "hearsay" according to jttuck.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2012, 08:04:25 AM
I really hope we get a name in regards to where the leak came from, currie will get away with his sins but we need a sacrificial lamb.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 08:29:56 AM
jttuck says its "hearsay".

So, Malone didn't wire Jamar $200, it is not understood that this may not have even been an NCAA violation, Jamar was NOT suspended for the game by the athletic department for doing something that MAY NOT have been an NCAA violation.   It was not reported that a 3rd party narc'd on Jamar when he received a wire transfer from Curtis Malone. 

Again, it's all "hearsay" according to jttuck.

When emaw is under attack, you always come through.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 08:51:59 AM
Now the Fitz is saying that Samuels getting the money from Malone was an NCAA violation, because the Malone/Samuels relationship, despite going back years was "rooted in basketball".    How do they determine that? 



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 18, 2012, 08:53:14 AM
There arent very many people that im ashamed to have associated with K-State, but Currie just about penciled himself in with Krause and BTK.

Krause would not have done this
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
why are there so many people in positions of influence that openly want us to fail?  it's infuriating
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 18, 2012, 09:01:51 AM
Now the Fitz is saying that Samuels getting the money from Malone was an NCAA violation, because the Malone/Samuels relationship, despite going back years was "rooted in basketball".    How do they determine that?

He' playing to the crowd Dax, have you not been reading their idiocy
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:55 AM
FITZ is a pretty stand up guy.  This was about "doing the right thing".
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: unleashthemob on March 18, 2012, 09:41:21 AM
I really hope we get a name in regards to where the leak came from, currie will get away with his sins but we need a sacrificial lamb.
this sounds like something Kellis might do..I don't trust that POS anywhere near our program
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2012, 09:43:24 AM
Oh, I think it was most likely a violation.  I also think there is easily enough grey area there to where you can get away with playing him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 09:58:59 AM
jttuck says its "hearsay".

So, Malone didn't wire Jamar $200, it is not understood that this may not have even been an NCAA violation, Jamar was NOT suspended for the game by the athletic department for doing something that MAY NOT have been an NCAA violation.   It was not reported that a 3rd party narc'd on Jamar when he received a wire transfer from Curtis Malone. 

Again, it's all "hearsay" according to jttuck.

I still think everyone reacted too early without any hard facts, but it looks like yours (Dax) and a lot of others on here initial reaction was right.  Just wanted to get that out there.  I still WANT to believe that Currie would do what he thought was the best thing for the university in the long run, but I also understand how naive that is.  If he can't find a way to make something as small as this go away and find a way to let Jamar play in what could be his last game, then he can GTFOOH. 

MIR is doing some solid work in this thread and making it really hard to defend Currie's actions.

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 18, 2012, 10:05:18 AM
No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 18, 2012, 10:18:31 AM
if this comes off as a defense of currie, so be it, although that is not my intention.


1)  i'm sure the decision to sit samuels was not reached without some informal consultation with the ncaa.
2)  the worst case, not just for kstate, but for everyone, would have been samuels plays, kstate wins, samuels investigation finished in the ensuing 4 days with a determination that he should have been ineligible.  at that point, what happens?  i have can't imagine, because i've never heard of such a case.  syracuse plays?  wisconsin just advances without a game?  some alternate universe penalty imposed on kstate in lieu of their win being vacated?  i can't imagine that the ncaa would risk that sort of pr nightmare just to be fair to samuels.

I agree with both of these...I also am not trying to be a Currie apologist, or defender, because I completely agree with those that say he needs to have been in front of the media before/during/after that game explaining what he could about what was happening & why...even if he used the "this is an ongoing investigation and I really can't get into specifics," bit, he still could have said, "KSU stands behind Jamar Samuels blah blah blah." (of course, then if it is revealed that Samuels got $50k or something over his career - because you KNOW this will lead to the NCAA sniffing around it could look bad...both for HIM & KSU)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 18, 2012, 10:25:34 AM
No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye

Yeah, maybe if the probation was for drug dealing, or murder, or rampant payments to players ala SMU

but for $200? Nobody but squawks and tucks would care.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2012, 10:28:01 AM
Should be getting the Currie form email today.  Post what my reply should be.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 18, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Should be getting the Currie form email today.  Post what my reply should be.

Dear John,

Please resign and/or kill yourself.

Love,
Limestone
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 10:34:37 AM
No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
No its not.  Landing on probation our vacating wins would be a huge black eye
[/quote

Landing on probation would be bad and may be something that would take longer for KSU to recover from than a lot of other places, depending on the specifics of the probation.

Vacating wins would be an amazing badge of honor.  I'd kill a drifter if we were ever forced to "vacate wins."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: unleashthemob on March 18, 2012, 10:44:00 AM
currie has always preached  transparency within the athletic department....should of be straight and upfront about this
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2012, 10:58:23 AM
I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 18, 2012, 10:59:41 AM
I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2012, 11:02:16 AM
I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

In which case, we would be mumped anyways, so play him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 11:09:34 AM
I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

I can't take the morons any more.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 18, 2012, 11:13:03 AM
I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

I can't take the morons any more.

It is sad really
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2012, 11:14:13 AM
the athletic dept owes fans, season ticket holders and donors an explanation of just what the eff went on. detailed. soon. it's a full 24 hours later and the only person talking is curtin mother rough ridin' malone. i mean how is that even possible? when did they find out? how did they find out? was it currie's decision and only his decision? what did he base it on and why? i mean, they need to outline this from beginning to end.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 18, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
I can't see $200 landing us on probation.  The only way we get into serious trouble over $200 is if we blatantly lie to the NCAA about it once they get around to asking questions.

Or if $200 is just the tip of the iceberg, which is what I think JC was fearing

I can't take the morons any more.

gfy
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 18, 2012, 11:17:31 AM
I'm not thrilled with the decision but I will guess that it was made with just a tad bit more info than what everyone here had.  I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC, he's been incredible, especially compared with the last few AD's we've had.  Krause and his secret Prince deal (and even extending that contract in the first place....jeezus).  Weiser and his ignoring the Kansas City market...I once asked him why all of our ad dollars went to western kansas and he told me "that's where our students come from".  No crap.  So you advertise where you own 99% of the market and ignore a significantly larger, closer market because you only have a small fraction of the market.  Briliant.  John Currrie has been phenomenal and those of you calling for his head are likely the same ones that are pissed off at a 10-2 football team and Cotton Bowl appearance or pissed at Frank because we only made the round of 32.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 11:23:53 AM

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance. 

We're again, the losers in all of this.  And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.

 

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 11:29:57 AM
It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 11:38:18 AM

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance. 

We're again, the losers in all of this.  And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.

 

I think people who actually believe Currie did this for his "resume" are being paranoid. I also don't think Currie did this in spite of Frank, but I guess you can argue it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 11:43:24 AM
It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

The image of a vigilance to compliance is what it appears he's trying to uphold.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 11:44:58 AM

I'm with Rusty though, I still don't understand how he thinks this helps him or anybody else.  If he's trying to "build his resume", this is the dumbest rough ridin' resume building move in the history of athletics.

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

It's a high risk gamble that ultimately won't pay off because the winning is going to walk out the door and be quickly replaced by Jim Wooldridge V2 due to his strong armed, overzealous approach to compliance. 

We're again, the losers in all of this.  And we're going to learn the hard way, again, that no elite level coach that understands the stakes of winning at this level is going to tolerate continuously being backed into a corner by this type of administration.

 

I refuse to believe he's this naive. His best friend in the business is Lew rough ridin' Perkins for god's sake.  None of this adds up.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 11:45:44 AM
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
Why is it so hard for people to understand that Currie is really good at some of his responsibilities, but very bad at others?  Praise and criticism are not mutually exclusive.  And as far as the praise goes, maybe Currie can look to the apt compensation befitting an athletics director at Kansas State.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.

he is better than what we've had in the past
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 11:51:16 AM
i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.

he is better than what we've had in the past
[/quote]

i don't think he's a bad a.d.  i just don't like him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 18, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.

he is better than what we've had in the past

Said the dumbass who hates Frank Martin.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 12:08:29 PM
It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

The image of a vigilance to compliance is what it appears he's trying to uphold.



This seems like pretty piss-poor compliance. You have a player that has been on your watch for your entire tenure and he thinks it's OK to take $200 from an AAU coach? You haven't educated Jamar enough to at least get him to ask what to do about getting fed before he asked an AAU coach that is being sued by a former player for being an agent runner? On top of that, it took place in possibly the most public way imaginable. I'm sure University Presidents are super impressed by the way Currie got "AAU Coach", "cash", and "Kansas State University" in headlines across the country during possibly the highest-profile weekend of the NCAA calendar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 18, 2012, 12:10:17 PM
Frank's comments are what upsets me most.  He felt his kid was betrayed.  If Frank had come out and said "Jamar made a big mistake, we still love him, but he had to sit", I'd feel differently.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 18, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
JFC, that scout board really is the dumbest place on earth.

Quote
I believe in mis-information as well as the next guy.  But KSU is one of the leading Land Grant Universities in the world.  If a KSU student is hungry, he/she can walk over to Grain Science and they can snarf down all the bread crumbs they want out of the baking labs.

I do not think Jamar needed money for FOOD.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.

he is better than what we've had in the past

Said the dumbass who hates Frank Martin.

good point (that frank is also better than what we've had in the past)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 12:20:25 PM
JFC, that scout board really is the dumbest place on earth.

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I believe in mis-information as well as the next guy.  But KSU is one of the leading Land Grant Universities in the world.  If a KSU student is hungry, he/she can walk over to Grain Science and they can snarf down all the bread crumbs they want out of the baking labs.

I do not think Jamar needed money for FOOD.

Are we close to having an argument over whether or not Jamar should be on food stamps?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 18, 2012, 12:20:51 PM
this would never have happened in football.  never.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 18, 2012, 12:23:31 PM
this would never have happened in football.  never.
Eh.  Broderick may disagree.  OTOH, Ell Roberson played the entire Fiesta Bowl.

It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 18, 2012, 12:25:53 PM
JFC, that scout board really is the dumbest place on earth.

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I believe in mis-information as well as the next guy.  But KSU is one of the leading Land Grant Universities in the world.  If a KSU student is hungry, he/she can walk over to Grain Science and they can snarf down all the bread crumbs they want out of the baking labs.

I do not think Jamar needed money for FOOD.

Are we close to having an argument over whether or not Jamar should be on food stamps?

No, but they are basically saying "well those blacks spend all that pell grant money on tattoos and jordan bball shoes!  :shakesfist:".

Just rough ridin' embarassing.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.


How can you be certain of that?
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 18, 2012, 12:36:46 PM
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.


How can you be certain of that?

I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 18, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

Currie blames the issue on someone else, and claims he's the good guy by reporting it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2012, 12:41:11 PM
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter?  If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.


How can you be certain of that?

I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.


And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 12:44:15 PM
this would never have happened in football.  never.
Eh.  Broderick may disagree.  OTOH, Ell Roberson played the entire Fiesta Bowl.

It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.

comparing jamar samuels to ell roberson, good grief.  ell roberson was 100 times more important to the success of his team than jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter?  If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.

You would think.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter?  If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.

You would think.

This has become a national story with people making fair or unfair accusations against our University, yet our Athletic Department remains silent. It really pisses me off.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 01:09:46 PM
This is apples to oranges.  Roberson didn't violate any NCAA rules, dumbasses.  He broke curfew and sexed a girl up.  His punishment, or lack thereof, was entirely at the discretion of the head coach.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 01:13:07 PM
Is it unreasonable to expect clarification from the A.D on the matter?  If transparency is the end game then why would a thorough explanation of the circumstances and thought process that led to the decision be withheld.

You would think.

This has become a national story with people making fair or unfair accusations against our University, yet our Athletic Department remains silent. It really pisses me off.

lol, no one cares about this story.
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 18, 2012, 01:14:26 PM
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.


How can you be certain of that?

I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.


And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 18, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.


How can you be certain of that?

I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.


And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

not at all dlew. not at all. and i imagine it really grates on frank.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2012, 01:21:27 PM
It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

They were before he got there and he didn't hire the coach with the "issues?" :dunno:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 18, 2012, 01:25:29 PM
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?
I see what you're getting at, but I don't know if I agree with you.  I mean, prior to this last season all of us were bitching and moaning about Snyder's untouchable nature within the Athletic Department, how nobody's allowed to fire him or tell him what to do (especially re. Sean).

Snyder runs his show and answers to nobody, imo.  Frank, otoh, has a boss. 

Not saying it's right, but that's how I think it is.
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 01:25:35 PM
It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.


How can you be certain of that?

I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.


And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

There are no comparable situations for this.  You're just making crap up here.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:29:00 PM
It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

They were before he got there and he didn't hire the coach with the "issues?" :dunno:

They still happened under his compliance department. He's still responsible for training coaches and athletes on compliance issues. Everyone knows Curtis Malone walks a fine line between booster and runner. If you're a university president interviewing Currie, what do you ask about this? "How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

If you're honest with yourself, it looks TERRIBLE on a resume.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 18, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
The "Snyder is untouchable" argument died with Jon Wefald.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.

:blush:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 01:55:12 PM
i don't think he's a bad a.d.  i just don't like him.

Yes, my dislike for him has virtually nothing to do with facilities upgrades or fundraising or whatever AD things he does.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 01:56:07 PM
Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?
I see what you're getting at, but I don't know if I agree with you.  I mean, prior to this last season all of us were bitching and moaning about Snyder's untouchable nature within the Athletic Department, how nobody's allowed to fire him or tell him what to do (especially re. Sean).

Snyder runs his show and answers to nobody, imo.  Frank, otoh, has a boss. 

Not saying it's right, but that's how I think it is.

Frank is just as unfireable as Snyder, based on results. What's going to happen if Frank tells Currie to eff off and plays Jamar? Currie throws Martin under the bus and fires him over this issue? I'm sure University Presidents loves someone with that kind of relationship with his coaches.

And before you say, "well, it's understandable that he wouldn't get along with coaches that he didn't hire", ask yourself who his employees will be at his next job? You HAVE to be able to work with existing coaches when you're a high major AD.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 18, 2012, 01:57:20 PM
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I think that even if they told the players not to be associated with this guy, it's harder for a guy like Jamar (who has grown up with Malone being there for him) to cut ties than say, Rodney.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 01:59:25 PM
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I think that even if they told the players not to be associated with this guy, it's harder for a guy like Jamar (who has grown up with Malone being there for him) to cut ties than say, Rodney.

I don't think they told anyone to cut ties with him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 18, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it.  But he did do it. So own it, JC.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 02:05:21 PM
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.

Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

Some townie was reporting it to them as something wrong rather than them internally analyzing it?  :dunno:

I don't believe that the first time Jamar called home for money was Monday, and/or that the decision on whether it was OK or not was made solely by Curtis Malone until Friday night.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 02:05:58 PM
I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it.  But he did do it. So own it, JC.

What is there to own?

Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
I think the Malone connection forced Currie's hand IMO. It doesn't help that Malone is talking about it like he does it all the time for all his players.

Just a terrible deal for Jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 02:09:27 PM

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

And on the resume aspect, I'm not one making an argument that this episode or his handling of it in any manner was good for his resume or that he thinks that.  I do think that he feels that a major coach hire is something his resume needs - it's obviously not good enough now as he's not getting any of the jobs he interviews for - and he's not necessarily going to get a shot at hiring a football coach.  I think he'd be very, very happy if Frank left of his own accord, and if tinkering with hoops will accelerate that, then this helped.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 18, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it.  But he did do it. So own it, JC.

What is there to own?

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he should have been answering questions about this yesterday.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

And yet they did.

So far it seems to me that the following things are known:

1) Frank is unhappy with how this situation was handled
2) Frank's ongoing relationship with Currie is not ideal

The ongoing sour nature of their relationship colors everything Currie does for me and others.  It remains to be seen if this was beyond K-State's ability to manage without pulling Jamar from the game, but I'm not going to give Currie the benefit of the doubt because of these two knowns.  Even if 1) doesn't necessarily indicate that Frank thinks Currie screwed this up, the burden of proof for me has shifted.  At a minimum, I am upset that Frank and Jamar were seemingly left to answer for everything with John leaving his involvement to a couple throw away quotes in the newspaper article.  It would be nice if Currie made concrete steps to manage the P.R. end of the situation, but so far it seems like there has been perfunctory efforts made on Jamar's behalf by John.  Even if the lack of effective P.R. on Jamar's behalf does not mirror a lack of diligence in advocating for Jamar with regards to the facts of the case, the impression that is left is poor.  That should be concerning to everyone at an absolute minimum.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2012, 02:12:40 PM
Frank is just as unfireable as Snyder, based on results. What's going to happen if Frank tells Currie to eff off and plays Jamar? Currie throws Martin under the bus and fires him over this issue? I'm sure University Presidents loves someone with that kind of relationship with his coaches.

Frank isn't as unfireable because there is money-weilding group of fans that probably want another Woolridge.  Regardless, he won't be fired.  But Currie could make his job suck until he leaves.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 02:12:49 PM
I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.

Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

Some townie was reporting it to them as something wrong rather than them internally analyzing it?  :dunno:

I don't believe that the first time Jamar called home for money was Monday, and/or that the decision on whether it was OK or not was made solely by Curtis Malone until Friday night.

So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."

You're fishing for a meltdown moment.



I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

And on the resume aspect, I'm not one making an argument that this episode or his handling of it in any manner was good for his resume or that he thinks that.  I do think that he feels that a major coach hire is something his resume needs - it's obviously not good enough now as he's not getting any of the jobs he interviews for - and he's not necessarily going to get a shot at hiring a football coach.  I think he'd be very, very happy if Frank left of his own accord, and if tinkering with hoops will accelerate that, then this helped.

Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2012, 02:15:30 PM
I agree Currie's PR has been bad. He did come on with Wyatt right before the game and say Jamar was on course to graduate, did nothing wrong academically or behaviorally, and that he and K-State completely supported Jamar and that he hoped for resolution quickly. But very few heard that.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 02:22:47 PM
#teamrusty
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 02:25:02 PM
So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."

Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.

On point 1, I'm not the one arguing that Currie looked at this situation as a thing that will enhance his resume.  I don't think Jamar and Curtis unilaterally decided it was OK to do this Monday.  As you pointed out before, I guess it's possible that Currie has a woefully inadequate and non-proactive compliance department that left it to Jamar and Curtis to decide these things on their own.  I think it's more likely that Jamar and Curtis had cleared this sort of transaction before, but something was different here (some outside party bitched about it rather than Jamar asking if it was cool), and Currie decided to play it safe.

On point 2, I agree that losing Frank due to Frank not being able to stand Currie is as bad and probably worse on a resume than not having a major hire.  I don't think Currie agrees with us.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 18, 2012, 02:25:38 PM
If Currie does this again then hes earned a "Currie is a coward" airplane banner imo
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."

Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.

On point 1, I'm not the one arguing that Currie looked at this situation as a thing that will enhance his resume.  I don't think Jamar and Curtis unilaterally decided it was OK to do this Monday.  As you pointed out before, I guess it's possible that Currie has a woefully inadequate and non-proactive compliance department that left it to Jamar and Curtis to decide these things on their own.  I think it's more likely that Jamar and Curtis had cleared this sort of transaction before, but something was different here (some outside party bitched about it rather than Jamar asking if it was cool), and Currie decided to play it safe.

The problem with your theory is that this is in no way a safe move if Currie has cleared this type of transaction before. It's actually probably the least safe thing he could possibly do.

On point 2, I agree that losing Frank due to Frank not being able to stand Currie is as bad and probably worse on a resume than not having a major hire.  I don't think Currie agrees with us.

You may be right, but I don't think he's that stupid.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 02:30:03 PM
IF he is that stupid, I guess it would explain both things.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 02:32:25 PM
IF he is that stupid, I guess it would explain both things.

yeah. But I don't think he gets into his position by being that stupid. I mean, if he is, I am going to start trying to be a high-major AD like tomorrow.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 02:41:32 PM
IF he is that stupid, I guess it would explain both things.

yeah. But I don't think he gets into his position by being that stupid. I mean, if he is, I am going to start trying to be a high-major AD like tomorrow.

:thumbs:

You know, he's only gotten one more high-major AD job than you have, and he's applied for and interviewed for many more than you.  You can probably catch him if you put in a lot of hard work.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 02:50:56 PM
I agree Currie's PR has been bad. He did come on with Wyatt right before the game and say Jamar was on course to graduate, did nothing wrong academically or behaviorally, and that he and K-State completely supported Jamar and that he hoped for resolution quickly. But very few heard that.

I hope people heard it, they basically said as much on a national television broadcast.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: tuck34 on March 18, 2012, 02:57:18 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 18, 2012, 03:01:24 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future

next theory
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: tuck34 on March 18, 2012, 03:08:45 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future

next theory

see how effective it could be
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 18, 2012, 03:22:35 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future

Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 03:30:41 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future

Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.

in this scenario, the coach would obviously be in on it
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 18, 2012, 03:37:07 PM
Great theory, frank is great at acting and not wearing his emotions on his sleeves
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 03:48:45 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future

Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.

in this scenario, the coach would obviously be in on it


It's like, just when I think you can't possibly post something dumber than the last thing, you go and outdo yourself.




Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 03:53:14 PM

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume.  I really, really want to think that.

what if currie is just making a couple of minor infractions highly visible - kelly and pullen last year and samuels this year - to create the impression of a ridiculously squeaky clean program so that we can really cheat like mf'ers in the future

Not gonna matter when he runs off the best coach we've had in 30 years.

in this scenario, the coach would obviously be in on it


It's like, just when I think you can't possibly post something dumber than the last thing, you go and outdo yourself.

what the eff are you talking about?  can you read?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 18, 2012, 04:10:36 PM
You guys are hilarious.  So let me get this straight:  AD's build resumes and get high profile jobs because they are considered "squeaky clean"?  What rough ridin' planet are you guys from?  You think Currie did this to BOOST his position in the NCAA community?  Do you think when OSU goes out to look for an new AD, T Boone's first question is going to be "Well how clean of a program is he going to run here at our fine university?"  The way you get better AD jobs and build your resume is one rough ridin' thing:  winning.  And we had a hell of a lot better chance of WINNING with Jamar, than without. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 04:31:27 PM

I think the resume idea has been shot down enough now.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 18, 2012, 04:43:42 PM
If Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-von on March 18, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
If Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.

The rage I will feel towards Currie will be uncontrollable. I may have to stay a safe distance away from him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 18, 2012, 04:55:17 PM
You guys are hilarious.  So let me get this straight:  AD's build resumes and get high profile jobs because they are considered "squeaky clean"?  What rough ridin' planet are you guys from?  You think Currie did this to BOOST his position in the NCAA community?  Do you think when OSU goes out to look for an new AD, T Boone's first question is going to be "Well how clean of a program is he going to run here at our fine university?"  The way you get better AD jobs and build your resume is one rough ridin' thing:  winning.  And we had a hell of a lot better chance of WINNING with Jamar, than without. 

Tboone doesn't care but board of regents, school presidents and shirt tuck donors do
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 18, 2012, 04:57:59 PM
If Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on March 18, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
I didn't listen to the post game conference. So, Frank really called out Currie?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 18, 2012, 05:06:49 PM
If Frank leaves and Currie is still here, I will be a fan of whatever school hires Frank until Currie is gone.

 :thumbs:
Agreed
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 05:10:00 PM
Was somebody arguing yesterday that Currie suspended Jam for the purpose of citing the suspension as something he accomplished at KSU?  I read through the first 15 or so pages really fast at 2 in the morning after a day of drinking and pak'n out.

I just see it as another thing in the divide between Frank and Currie.  It will really suck if Frank leaves because of it, and my impression is that unfortunately Currie doesn't think it will suck.

That's the only "resume" aspect I see to it - if Currie thinks he needs to have a major hire on his resume, then, in addition to his seeming dislike for Frank, it would only heighten his indifference to whether Frank is happy here.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2012, 05:28:07 PM
I still think it is weird as crap for Malone to be Western Unioning $200 to Dillons for a KSU player. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 18, 2012, 05:39:42 PM
And even weirder that some uptight holier-than-thou bad person makes it his/her business to report it to athletic department.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 05:44:43 PM
I didn't listen to the post game conference. So, Frank really called out Currie?

no, not really.  but it has some morphed into that in this thread.  people are really reaching.  currie did what any a.d. would have done.



btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone.  i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 05:50:56 PM
Weirder yet that our AD is too big of a pussy to deal with this in a sensible manner.

Lost a lot of respect for Currie yesterday.  His inexperience and apparent lack of integrity was really on display yesterday with the bush league way in which he cowardly threw Jamar and Coach Martin under the bus to protect his personal reputation.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 05:59:21 PM
Weirder yet that our AD is too big of a pussy to deal with this in a sensible manner.

Lost a lot of respect for Currie yesterday.  His inexperience and apparent lack of integrity was really on display yesterday with the bush league way in which he cowardly threw Jamar and Coach Martin under the bus to protect his personal reputation.

what in god's name are you talking about you old shoe?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 18, 2012, 06:01:10 PM
Another air ball, Kim.  Hang it up.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 06:02:13 PM
Another air ball, Kim.  Hang it up.

 :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 18, 2012, 06:05:34 PM
I think at heart currie is just a tuck goodie two shoes
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 18, 2012, 06:06:29 PM
jtksu was never as bad as kim carnes. And the point of trolling, kim, is to be funny. So I'm not really sure what you're doing here.....
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 06:07:48 PM
btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone.  i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.

Yeah, a cynical person would note that it really makes Beasley's theory in the pending lawsuit that Malone gives naive kids money for the purpose of directing them to Bell seem silly.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: TBL on March 18, 2012, 06:08:00 PM
Is it football season yet? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 18, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Is it football season yet?

Nope, the only two seasons going on now are combo-fanning season, and praying for Frank not to leave us before next season season.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone.  i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.

Yeah, a cynical person would note that it really makes Beasley's theory in the pending lawsuit that Malone gives naive kids money for the purpose of directing them to Bell seem silly.

maybe thats why he sent the money?

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 18, 2012, 06:12:22 PM
Maybe one of those russian teams owned by oil tycoons had a high money offer on the table for jamar. After all he's going to be a kstategrad :kstategrad:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2012, 06:31:31 PM
btw, i'm kinda impressed with malone.  i wouldn't have thought he'd be a guy to give money to ex-players that aren't going to need an agent to negotiate a decent-sized contract in the future.

Yeah, a cynical person would note that it really makes Beasley's theory in the pending lawsuit that Malone gives naive kids money for the purpose of directing them to Bell seem silly.

I think your relationship with mabeaz may be blinding you to the missing link in the chain of custody for the Malone-Beasley cash money.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 06:42:50 PM
I think your relationship with mabeaz may be blinding you to the missing link in the chain of custody for the Malone-Beasley cash money.

Sorry, kids and their families.

I'm not even sure she's watching this season of Basketball Wives.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
MBB is off the front page.  Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.

http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 18, 2012, 09:17:41 PM
Throwing jamar under the bus. I'm so disillusioned with my alma mater and their tucked shirts
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2012, 09:21:29 PM
MBB is off the front page.  Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.

http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html

how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 18, 2012, 09:33:36 PM
MBB is off the front page.  Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.

http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html

how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.

They can, and will.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: joda on March 18, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
MBB is off the front page.  Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.

http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html

how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.

Unfortunately they can thanks to the tucks and dumbfucks in our fanbase.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2012, 09:39:42 PM
MBB is off the front page.  Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.

http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html

how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.

They can, and will.

My yahoo email account that KSU used to send the Letters from John Currie is now getting emails from KSU Women's Basketball only.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 09:42:50 PM
They will have to answer to it. Or do you really think Meek is just going to quit after talking to Malone? There's nothing wrong with letting the dust settle a bit and let Frank and Currie come up with a joint statement.

Still, I'm not sure what you guys expect Currie to say, or what you think he should have said the day of the suspension.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 18, 2012, 09:46:32 PM
MBB is off the front page.  Almost no reference to Jamar's existence in the recap/quotes of the game.

http://www.kstatesports.com/index-main.html

how we are now 36 hours after the fact with no additional information or clarification from the athletic dept is absolutely just beyond me. i mean, they can't just ignore this.

They can, and will.

My yahoo email account that KSU used to send the Letters from John Currie is now getting emails from KSU Women's Basketball only.

There will be no public outcry for answers, so K-State will happily give none.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pufiZzle on March 18, 2012, 09:48:06 PM
Currie treated Jamar, and by extension the entire Basketball Team and Staff, like pieces of crap.

He did not have the courage to redirect the cameras and microphones, on America's largest stage, away from a student and onto himself...where they belonged.   He could have easily stepped in front of the camera and said "Jamar Samuels is a good kid, who graduated our university in good standing, and is alleged to have done anything against the law."

John Currie decided to suspend a team leader, and 4 year student, and not say a word.  Just let the entire country assume the worst.


Shame on you John Currie.  I hope someone does the exact same thing to you someday.

hth
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
There will be no public outcry for answers, so K-State will happily give none.

I'm not sure what constitutes a "public outcry" in your eyes, but at the very least I believe Meek, at least will want to here K-State's side of the story he broke.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 18, 2012, 09:51:16 PM
There will be no public outcry for answers, so K-State will happily give none.

I'm not sure what constitutes a "public outcry" in your eyes, but at the very least I believe Meek, at least will want to here K-State's side of the story he broke.

Austin Meek does not constitute a public outcry. HTH.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.

200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.

Pussies!!

I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down.   Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.

Eff that $hit!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
currie didn't throw samuels under a bus or anything else for extorting $200 from some random east coast aau elite.  he was thrown under an ncaa rule for letting some townie snitch find out about it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 09:57:38 PM
No harm, no foul . . . enjoy your McDonald's JaSam . . . and don't do it again.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 18, 2012, 09:59:15 PM
I need to start sending random Western Union orders for like $2 to that Dillons

To:  John Currie
From: The Mothee-ah

To: Tate Snyder
From: Osama


Then we will smoke out the narc.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2012, 10:01:00 PM
Sys threw a giant ice bath on my white hot anger, I'm in dissaray.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.

200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.

Pussies!!

I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down.   Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.

Eff that $hit!

In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing.  Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pufiZzle on March 18, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
I need to start sending random Western Union orders for like $2 to that Dillons

To:  John Currie
From: The Mothee-ah

To: Tate Snyder
From: Osama


Then we will smoke out the narc.
:lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.

200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.

Pussies!!

I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down.   Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.

Eff that $hit!

In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing.  Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.

Then don't say a damn thing and enjoy JaSam in the starting lineup.

RamTuck . . . sad.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wetwillie on March 18, 2012, 10:07:04 PM
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.

200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.

Pussies!!

I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down.   Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.

Eff that $hit!

In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing.  Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.

200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.

Pussies!!

I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down.   Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.

Eff that $hit!

In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing.  Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.

It was a huge career booster for Meeks scoopahan breaking the news.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
Sad to see so many fake EMAW's who don't really want to win.

Sad . . . SMH.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 10:12:31 PM
Sad . . . SMH.

I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 10:13:55 PM
Sad . . . SMH.

I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.

what is SMH?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SwiftCat on March 18, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
Tuck outed
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 18, 2012, 10:19:13 PM
The real bottom line for me is that K-State would throw a basketball player under the bus over $200 bucks.

200 rough ridin' dollars and the kid has to sit out because we're all worried about the NCAA.

Pussies!!

I can speak a little to this . . . I remember the guys on the track team from far off places and families of scant means . . . spring break and food services is shut down.   Little Johnny White Bread heads off to Spring Break or at least back home to plates of food, meanwhile JaSam is burning up 1000's of calories a day for EMAW and needs a little folding money for some extra nutrients and instead he's got tire tracks all over his wonderful face.

Eff that $hit!

In order for somebody to have been "thrown under the bus", the person doing the throwing would have to have something to gain from said throwing.  Nobody gained anything from this. Nobody.

Then don't say a damn thing and enjoy JaSam in the starting lineup.

RamTuck . . . sad.

Look, goddammit, I feel horrible for JamSam and it's a shitty rough ridin' deal all the way around, but you're going to far to try and create a villain.  Maybe Currie mumped up and could've played him and/or kept his mouth shut and everything would've been fine.  If that's the case than he's a terrible rough ridin' AD that needs to learn how to cover crap up or look the other way, but you're acting like he mumped Jamar over for some personal gain or did this to further his own agenda.  There's just no basis for that.  It doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 18, 2012, 10:19:53 PM
It's easy for currie to ignore it, in the past, player no longer part of the program
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 10:22:18 PM
you're acting like he mumped Jamar over for some personal gain or did this to further his own agenda. 

No, he isn't.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2012, 10:22:57 PM
Sad . . . SMH.

I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.

My use of SMH was kind of sad . . . really.

I am officially in win at all costs mode, a significant portion of the existing NCAA field consists of win at all costs programs, and we need to emulate and advance.

No K-State basketball player gets suspended over $200 under the sonofdaxjones compliance program.

   

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 10:24:12 PM
Sad . . . SMH.

I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.

My use of SMH was kind of sad . . . really.

I am officially in win at all costs mode, a significant portion of the existing NCAA field consists of win at all costs programs, and we need to emulate and advance.

No K-State basketball player gets suspended over $200 under the sonofdaxjones compliance program.

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2012, 10:28:23 PM
Sad . . . SMH.

I hope you're not replacing "sad, really" with this SMH crap.

My use of SMH was kind of sad . . . really.

I am officially in win at all costs mode, a significant portion of the existing NCAA field consists of win at all costs programs, and we need to emulate and advance.

No K-State basketball player gets suspended over $200 under the sonofdaxjones compliance program.

 

hopefully in your compliance program our players won't accept $200 from their former AAU coaches via Western rough ridin' Union.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 18, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
After 21 pages, I think the moral of this thread is that EMAW townies need to get non-EMAW townies in line.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 10:35:33 PM
Sys threw a giant ice bath on my white hot anger, I'm in dissaray.

Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.  Neither of us have enough info to be certain and the words of Currie in his press conference and to Wyatt and Stan in the pre-game tell me that he doesn't either.  Therefore you can make a reasonable case that suspending Jamar was overly judicious.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2012, 10:44:38 PM
After 21 pages, I think the moral of this thread is that EMAW townies need to get non-EMAW townies in line.

Here's what I got out of 21 pages:

Pete: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

goEMAW: YEAH! YEAH!

Currie: LOL, no.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 10:46:22 PM
Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.

not entirely.  i saw your argument, and i think it is possible you're right (agree that none of us knows).

but, i am working off the assumption that kstate had some sort of informal consultation or guidance from the ncaa before they decided to sit him.  also, the assumption that a school would be rough ridin' crazy to "ignore" any possible violation which is brought to their attention in any documented way.  which i know you haven't argued for, but some others have.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 18, 2012, 11:17:11 PM
Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.

not entirely.  i saw your argument, and i think it is possible you're right (agree that none of us knows).

but, i am working off the assumption that kstate had some sort of informal consultation or guidance from the ncaa before they decided to sit him.  also, the assumption that a school would be rough ridin' crazy to "ignore" any possible violation which is brought to their attention in any documented way.  which i know you haven't argued for, but some others have.


I don't know too much about Western Union. I've never used it before and don't really know anyone who has. Is it legal though for the teller to be giving up actual documentation of the transaction? I don't think it matters much, but jw.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 11:21:58 PM
Sys is working off of the assumption that an NCAA violation was committed, I don't share that view.

not entirely.  i saw your argument, and i think it is possible you're right (agree that none of us knows).

but, i am working off the assumption that kstate had some sort of informal consultation or guidance from the ncaa before they decided to sit him.  also, the assumption that a school would be rough ridin' crazy to "ignore" any possible violation which is brought to their attention in any documented way.  which i know you haven't argued for, but some others have.


I don't know too much about Western Union. I've never used it before and don't really know anyone who has. Is it legal though for the teller to be giving up actual documentation of the transaction? I don't think it matters much, but jw.

Of course it isn't, as it is also against Dillons, Walmart, and HyVee policy.  Why are you asking ,as whoever narked almost certainly didn't provide any documentation?  I'm sure a compliance officer asked Jamar and/or Curtis if they did it, and they said yes.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
I don't know too much about Western Union. I've never used it before and don't really know anyone who has. Is it legal though for the teller to be giving up actual documentation of the transaction? I don't think it matters much, but jw.

yeah, i didn't mean documentation of the transaction, rather that the fact that the compliance office had been informed of a potential violation was documented or potentially documented.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
I don't buy the argument that this can't boost Currie's resume in any sense. If he's angling for an SEC job or a win-at-all-costs school, then this yes, this is potentially damaging to him. But I feel like there are some Big Ten/Pac 12 schools that are obsessed with, at the very least, projecting a facade of doing things "the right way" and would rather use players as sacrificial lambs to continue to project that image, the coach's opinion be damned. Currie could be overcompensating with this and the CK/JP incidents to project that image after his dirt-filled past. In that sense, he's using us if true.

It's a conditional argument, but if Currie is interviewing for those types of jobs instead of schools that willingly get down and dirty, it's a possibility. We won't know though until we actually hear anything (we won't).

I've calmed down from my stance of tossing Currie in the 'Kaw, but jesus christ, going on a pregame radio show and calling it a day is not nearly enough to restore a player's reputation. At the very least, Currie has shown that his PR skills are weak. I'd take Currie over Wefald in a heartbeat, but if this crap keeps up and/or he runs off Frank, I want him zipped up in a bag for Collin Klein to pound during practice drills.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 12:25:44 AM
I don't buy the argument that this can't boost Currie's resume in any sense. If he's angling for an SEC job or a win-at-all-costs school, then this yes, this is potentially damaging to him. But I feel like there are some Big Ten/Pac 12 schools that are obsessed with, at the very least, projecting a facade of doing things "the right way" and would rather use players as sacrificial lambs to continue to project that image, the coach's opinion be damned. Currie could be overcompensating with this and the CK/JP incidents to project that image after his dirt-filled past. In that sense, he's using us if true.

This issue doesn't make him look good in any way. You may have a point with CK/JP/Dillards, but not when Curtis Malone is involved. NO rough ridin' way does a school serious about compliance like the way this was handled. I have some very nice posts on the subject in this thread that I encourage you to read.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 12:27:20 AM
I'll look them over, I saw you'd posted stuff earlier but I kinda skimmed them because I was reading the thread while stuck in traffic and I was mainly trying to focus on noticing when everything started moving again.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
Ok I am now very much politically neutral dog

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 19, 2012, 08:27:54 AM
you're acting like he mumped Jamar over for some personal gain or did this to further his own agenda. 

No, he isn't.

Well...then we have different definitions of "throwing someone under the bus"...and mine is right.

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 08:29:49 AM
This entire thing is so rotten.  I simply cannot believe that a compliance department and AD, as overzealous as they may be, would take an action as severe and far reaching as this without some substantive evidence.

And it just perplexes me that a some low life rat would have the ability to contact the athletic department to try to incriminate one of our student athletes, and if some form of real evidence wasn't provided, that this matter would even be investigated and this type of punishment would be delivered.

I'd really hope somebody at some point does some actual investigative reporting, not some silly Tim Fitzgerald opinion piece, and sheds a little light on what actually occurred here.


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I work in customer service in the East Side dillons. I can assure you if the western union was done at ours, it was not one of our people that reported it. It is highly confidential, and a transaction like that would not be deemed suspisious. Plus only myself and about 3 other people that work the western union would know who Jamar Samuels is. In fact the few people that did know who he was asked me why he was suspended. So I would look at West side dillons, and there is also a couple other locations I think...pretty sure hyvee might have one as well as at least one other place.
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my store used to be an agent for western union 4
years ago. transactions are highly confidential
and any clerk that would bring the transaction to
the attention to anyone might be subject to dismissal.

when we were agents we could not even give information
to the police department. the western web site shows
5 agents in manhattan. 2 dillions, hy-vee gas and i
believe 2 convenience stores. nearest site appears to
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I"m 99 percent confident the incident occurred at Dillon's west. I saw Jamar Samuels in there (along with Jeremy Jones) the DAY before they left for Pittsburgh. I saw him in the check out line and appeared to have roughly 100-120 dollars worth of groceries. So if you want to find the rat, I'd go to Dillon's on west loop.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 08:36:34 AM
Yeah, both sides have valid points, with the Jamar plays point being the most valid of them all.

 

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: puniraptor on March 19, 2012, 08:37:29 AM
Good to see at least some of them rat hunting instead of jamar crucifying or currie blowing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 19, 2012, 08:38:10 AM
So it appears he really was buying groceries. Makes currie and the rat look like even bigger vaginas
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 08:40:45 AM
I feel our anger is misdirected.

We obviously have a mole following our players around and when they slip up, they call the compliance office and report us.

The mole needs to be exposed and taken out.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 08:41:20 AM
Fine point Abe . . . so a hungry K-State student athlete got some grocery money from a long time friend. 

You think Anthony Davis at Kentucky worries about grocery money?   :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 08:42:46 AM
So it appears he really was buying groceries. Makes currie and the rat look like even bigger vaginas

Currie has no blood on his hands.

The mole must be taken out.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 08:44:36 AM
It was Thursday Spring Break week; food services which also means the training table is shut down for the week correct??

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
It was Thursday Spring Break week; food services which also means the training table is shut down for the week correct??

I don't think they shut down until Friday.

Another reason Currie wants the west side expansion: The training table facilities are part of it. If we would have had this Jamar would not have need the money.

So I blame this on the donors for not donating more money and quicker.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
Has anybody tried e-mailing Currie?  He responds to every e-mail.

Maybe change the subject line to something a little cheerier than "You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 08:57:58 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 09:00:46 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.

Exactly.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.

:thumbs:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance.

Yep, fire Cosh.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 09:04:27 AM
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance.

Yep, fire Cosh.

Spradling may be The Mole. We had no issues until he set foot on campus.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 19, 2012, 09:06:58 AM
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.

I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything.  I'm guessing Frank and Currie would love to have the power/resources/experience to effectively cover up crap like this, but they don't. 

If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of K-State0 sense that we would want to be able to cover more crap up but just end up bumbling around for a little while and then telling on ourselves cause we're K-State0.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 09:07:44 AM
and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.

:thumbs:

And wash it all down with a cool and refreshing Long Island Iced Tea.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 09:08:04 AM
I feel our anger is misdirected.

We obviously have a mole following our players around and when they slip up, they call the compliance office and report us.

The mole needs to be exposed and taken out.

Could it be sprads!? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 09:09:33 AM
So it appears he really was buying groceries. Makes currie and the rat look like even bigger vaginas

Currie has no blood on his hands.

The mole must be taken out.


Stormy, it's your job to smoke him out.  Smoke him out of his hole.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 09:11:05 AM
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.

I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything.  I'm guessing Frank and Currie would love to have the power/resources/experience to effectively cover up crap like this, but they don't. 

If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of K-State0 sense that we would want to be able to cover more crap up but just end up bumbling around for a little while and then telling on ourselves cause we're K-State0.

Yes, if only our athletic director had the power to manage policies and protocols for his staff in the athletic department.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 09:14:09 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.

Or if it were ku the number to the Compliance Dept has been out of service for 3 years and the narc never gets through.

As an aside, I worked at that Dillons back in the days before I was cool.  It is full of Snyder loving tucks.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 09:15:16 AM
It's really just unfortunate that this rogue director of compliance was able to slip into the department and usurp all of Currie's power when it comes to things like this. 

http://kstatesports.cstv.com/genrel/110209aaa.html
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 09:25:11 AM
It's really just unfortunate that this rogue director of compliance was able to slip into the department and usurp all of Currie's power when it comes to things like this. 

http://kstatesports.cstv.com/genrel/110209aaa.html

People like him is why I hate Whistleblower laws.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 09:30:48 AM
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program.  But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.

Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book.  And trust me there are some juicy ones.

So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 09:36:35 AM
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program.  But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.

Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book.  And trust me there are some juicy ones.

So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.

JFC, look how many directors the squawks have!

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Compliance
Office       864-4200   Fax: 864-5289
Associate Athletics Director - Compliance   Theresa Becker   864-7995   Click here to contact.
Assistant Athletics Director - Compliance   Kristine Fowler   864-3524   Click here to contact.
Director, Initial and Continuing Eligibility Certification   Dino Bell   864-7312   Click here to contact.
Director, Compliance - Monitoring   Randy Krahulik   864-5624   Click here to contact.
Director, Education   Scott Hobbs   864-7967   Click here to contact.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 19, 2012, 09:36:37 AM
I have a feeling that Currie and Frank would have loved to sweep this, the Pullen/Curtis Dillards shop and drop, and all the failed drug tests but some one has a big powertrip inside KSUAD. Probably the director of compliance. Would look bad to fire said Director as he/she would come back and squeal. She/he better never be late to the office.

I think this is probably closer to the truth than anything.  I'm guessing Frank and Currie would love to have the power/resources/experience to effectively cover up crap like this, but they don't. 

If you think about it, it actually makes a lot of K-State0 sense that we would want to be able to cover more crap up but just end up bumbling around for a little while and then telling on ourselves cause we're K-State0.

Yes, if only our athletic director had the power to manage policies and protocols for his staff in the athletic department.

I'm not talking about power internally, dumbass.  I'm talking about the power/resources to make the Western Union narc STFU and go home.  The power/resources to make everyone at Dillard's keep their rough ridin' mouths shut.  How do you think Lew got away with disappearing all the crap he did at KU? Respect, fear, and resources...and the balls to use them.  Currie seems to be good at raising money but horrible at making little crap just go away.  My argument with Dax isn't that Currie's a fantastic AD and we should shower him with praise.  All I was saying is that it doesn't make sense that he purposefully seeks out little compliance events like this and "throws people under the bus" to further his career.

I can't believe you're not smart enough to get my point, so I have to assume you're just being a dick on purpose.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 09:40:17 AM
I'm not talking about power internally, dumbass.  I'm talking about the power/resources to make the Western Union narc STFU and go home.  The power/resources to make everyone at Dillard's keep their rough ridin' mouths shut.  How do you think Lew got away with disappearing all the crap he did at KU? Respect, fear, and resources...and the balls to use them.  Currie seems to be good at raising money but horrible at making little crap just go away.  My argument with Dax isn't that Currie's a fantastic AD and we should shower him with praise.  All I was saying is that it doesn't make sense that he purposefully seeks out little compliance events like this and "throws people under the bus" to further his career.

I can't believe you're not smart enough to get my point, so I have to assume you're just being a dick on purpose.

Again, I'm not the MysPerson making an argument that Currie thinks this episode is good for his career.

Doesn't take a lot of power/resources to implement Daris' hang-up/e-mail/r-a-b plan.

Speaking of being a dick, balls?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2012, 09:56:42 AM
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program.  But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.

Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book.  And trust me there are some juicy ones.

So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.

They'll tell you "thanks for the information, we'll get right on that."  Then they'll hang up and say "Another one called about Compton, we better punish our players" and burst into uncontrollable laughter as they take the paper they wrote the stories on and shred it.   
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 10:06:17 AM
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program.  But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.

Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book.  And trust me there are some juicy ones.

So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.

JFC, look how many directors the squawks have!

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Compliance
Office       864-4200   Fax: 864-5289
Associate Athletics Director - Compliance   Theresa Becker   864-7995   Click here to contact.
Assistant Athletics Director - Compliance   Kristine Fowler   864-3524   Click here to contact.
Director, Initial and Continuing Eligibility Certification   Dino Bell   864-7312   Click here to contact.
Director, Compliance - Monitoring   Randy Krahulik   864-5624   Click here to contact.
Director, Education   Scott Hobbs   864-7967   Click here to contact.

Dax, unleash the hounds.

And don't hold back.  I'm talking everything.  And make sure they know about Doug Compton and the way he uses his company to divert money to all the players by employing their moms and stuff.

Zulu will have no choice at that point.  The reputation of the University is TOO IMPORTANT to not take action immediately.




 

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWzified on March 19, 2012, 10:07:08 AM
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I feel our anger is misdirected.

We obviously have a mole following our players around and when they slip up, they call the compliance office and report us.

The mole needs to be exposed and taken out.

Obviously Victor. Most to gain.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: fr@ck me on March 19, 2012, 10:11:14 AM
maybe this has been said, but doesn't anyone else want to take some money over to KU and start handing it out with someone in the bushes taking pictures.  Then email said pictures to the NCAA on Wednesday and see if they suspend any of their players?  I do.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
Until this weekend I never knew how easy it was to take down a basketball program.  But, thanks to K-State now I know that any rat fink with a bone to pick easily can.

Once I find KU's compliance number, I'm going to pass it along to Dax and he's going to tell them every Doug Compton story in the book.  And trust me there are some juicy ones.

So note to Bill Self, enjoy it while it last because once Zulu catches wind, all of your starters are going to get benched for NC State.

They'll tell you "thanks for the information, we'll get right on that."  Then they'll hang up and say "Another one called about Compton, we better punish our players" and burst into uncontrollable laughter as they take the paper they wrote the stories on and shred it.

"Tell the women's golf team they are going to get hammered again!"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 19, 2012, 10:20:19 AM
FYI, anyone wondering if this had something to do with Spring Break, today is the first Monday of Spring Break, class was in session last week.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
FYI, anyone wondering if this had something to do with Spring Break, today is the first Monday of Spring Break, class was in session last week.

I would wonder if it made any difference at all.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2012, 10:25:21 AM
maybe this has been said, but doesn't anyone else want to take some money over to KU and start handing it out with someone in the bushes taking pictures.  Then email said pictures to the NCAA on Wednesday and see if they suspend any of their players?  I do.

What exactly would that accomplish?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: slimz on March 19, 2012, 10:26:32 AM
maybe this has been said, but doesn't anyone else want to take some money over to KU and start handing it out with someone in the bushes taking pictures.  Then email said pictures to the NCAA on Wednesday and see if they suspend any of their players?  I do.

You wouldn't even have to do that. All you need to do is find out when and where one of their important players was at a certain point in time. Then you e-mail/call the compliance office/NCAA and tell them you think you saw the player receiving a couple of hundred cash from someone at that location/time. They ask the player about it, and he either a) admits he was there but swears he didn't get any cash [smoke] or b) denies he was there, even though he was, because now he's scared, which, if there is any other info showing he was there at that point in time, makes the allegation look even more plausible [smoke and fire]. 

Of course, that would be assuming that KU would handle things the same was as K-State would, which they don't. As this hypothetical shows, the NCAA's model compliance process is laughable, if that's what K-State is following.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2012, 10:30:21 AM
have you guys gotten your rough ridin' answers yet?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.




Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 10:36:06 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.




Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.

Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku.  Not the morning they hear about it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 10:36:58 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.




Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.

Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku.  Not the morning they hear about it.

When did KSU hear about it?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWesome on March 19, 2012, 10:38:15 AM
and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.

:thumbs:

And wash it all down with a cool and refreshing Long Island Iced Tea.

Hey, assholes...it's Monday Morning...no need to ruin my week by talking about things that I will not have for a couple months  :bang: :bawl:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: doom on March 19, 2012, 10:43:38 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.




Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.

Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku.  Not the morning they hear about it.

When did KSU hear about it?

If it wasn't the day of, why not play him if he played the game before unless someone else reported it.  No way we sat on it one game and not the other.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 10:48:05 AM

Of course, that would be assuming that KU would handle things the same was as K-State would, which they don't. As this hypothetical shows, the NCAA's model compliance process is laughable, if that's what K-State is following.


Slimz, at the end of the day, John Currie made a pledge to us. 

And that pledge was that he would run a model intercollegiate athletics program.  "A model intercollegiate athletics program can signify many things but we have five core measures that we will use here at K-State to define a model program,” Currie says. “And, overall, when people are talking about intercollegiate athletics and the programs in the nation that do it right, Kansas State should and can be one of those model programs.”

At the end of the day can the Squawks call themselves a model intercollegiate athletics department?  Can they say they do it right?  CAN THEY?

I hope this morning when those people put their red and blue attire upon themselves and gallivant into their offices and tote their mop buckets and carouse about their Sweet 16 appearance they keep that in mind.

They may win the basketball games, but we have the integrity and transparency in relation to ethics, finance and NCAA compliance.





Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EllToPay on March 19, 2012, 10:56:20 AM

Of course, that would be assuming that KU would handle things the same was as K-State would, which they don't. As this hypothetical shows, the NCAA's model compliance process is laughable, if that's what K-State is following.


Slimz, at the end of the day, John Currie made a pledge to us. 

And that pledge was that he would run a model intercollegiate athletics program.  "A model intercollegiate athletics program can signify many things but we have five core measures that we will use here at K-State to define a model program,” Currie says. “And, overall, when people are talking about intercollegiate athletics and the programs in the nation that do it right, Kansas State should and can be one of those model programs.”

At the end of the day can the Squawks call themselves a model intercollegiate athletics department?  Can they say they do it right?  CAN THEY?

I hope this morning when those people put their red and blue attire upon themselves and gallivant into their offices and tote their mop buckets and carouse about their Sweet 16 appearance they keep that in mind.

They may win the basketball games, but we have the integrity and transparency in relation to ethics, finance and NCAA compliance.

Exactly. I don't have trouble sleeping at night. Not at all.

But do the resident squawks? Do they?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 10:58:25 AM
What's Pete going to do now that Currie isn't giving him his rough ridin' answers?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 11:03:23 AM
i think part of the problem is the perception that currie and the compliance people appear to think that busting student athletes and prosecuting them to the fullest is part of their job. it shouldn't be. i mean what happened? some western union person called and said "hey, i think jamar just got some money from from curtis malone" and then the compliance people rang the compliance police alarm and immediately notified the NCAA and started investigating immediately based on that? i mean wtf? do they get bonuses every time they can keep one of our basketball players from playing a game or something.

instead, they should've been like "lol. ok thanks. i'll look into it" and then hung up. then maybe send Martin an email to an email account that they know he doesn't check and then go get a spicy at rab and call it a day.




Considering Curtis Malone told everyone who would listen the details as soon as the news was out, I wouldn't be surprised if someone asked Jamar about it and he told them what happened.

Fair enough, but that discussion occurs after a week or so at ku.  Not the morning they hear about it.

When did KSU hear about it?

If it wasn't the day of, why not play him if he played the game before unless someone else reported it.  No way we sat on it one game and not the other.

exactly. which means that kstate prob found out thursday or friday and were so amazingly hypervigilent in their investigation that the athletic director (not the ncaa) decided that he wouldn't be allowed to play on saturday. they were able to do all of this despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away. that seems more than a little aggresive. way to go kstate.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 11:12:49 AM
Folks, it's spelled out pretty clearly here.

He took a pledge for us.  It doesn't matter if he's six states away.  A pledge is a pledge.

http://www.kstatesports.com/school-bio/kstate-pledge.html (http://www.kstatesports.com/school-bio/kstate-pledge.html)

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:14:40 AM
despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.

Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie.  I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week.  THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.

Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie.  I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week.  THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
Don't forget about the coleslaw too.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 11:20:50 AM
Yeah, both sides have valid points, with the Jamar plays point being the most valid of them all.

I meant mainly about whether Currie was the one who mumped Jamar over or not. It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one. I completely agree that Jamar should've played.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:21:35 AM
despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.

Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie.  I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week.  THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
Don't forget about the coleslaw too.

Yeah, I heard about that too.  So much info emanating out of Pittsburgh last week, all topped off with your big reveal re: "the suits."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:22:08 AM
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.

What does this mean?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2012, 11:26:42 AM
despite the fact that the athletic director and the entire basketball team was six states away.

Well there's one flaw in the procedure of hanging up and going to r-a-b, at least as it pertains to Currie.  I guess he could've gone to primanti's or whatever it was that everyone wouldn't shut up about last week.  THEY PUT FRIES ON THEIR SANDWICHES!
Don't forget about the coleslaw too.

Yeah, I heard about that too.  So much info emanating out of Pittsburgh last week, all topped off with your big reveal re: "the suits."
  :adored:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:28:25 AM
Yeah, I heard about that too.  So much info emanating out of Pittsburgh last week, all topped off with your big reveal re: "the suits."
  :adored:
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You're just determined to not help me at all in defending you to MIR, huh?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2012, 11:32:01 AM
I just don't know what position to take on here sometimes. Play full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to entertain the crowd or throw in a few ITK tid bits here and there? You let me know Trim, you let me know.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.

What does this mean?

This means that Compliance acted on the squawk informant, went behind Currie's back or over his head, and advanced the case far enough to where Currie and Frank were forced to act on it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.

What does this mean?

This means that Compliance acted on the squawk informant, went behind Currie's back or over his head, and advanced the case far enough to where Currie and Frank were forced to act on it.

Man, what a shitty hire Currie made if so.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:35:47 AM
I just don't know what position to take on here sometimes. Play full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to entertain the crowd or throw in a few ITK tid bits here and there? You let me know Trim, you let me know.

Curtis Malone's $200 was your big money from the suits?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 11:38:07 AM
It's very possible Compliance pulled a fast one.

What does this mean?

This means that Compliance acted on the squawk informant, went behind Currie's back or over his head, and advanced the case far enough to where Currie and Frank were forced to act on it.

Man, what a shitty hire Currie made if so.

Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:43:04 AM
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.

Start a "You better have some rough ridin' answers, Vaughn" thread.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 11:43:38 AM
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.

You also have to remember that he took over for super-party-non-stop-fun-time Bob Krause and his little shitstorm. That probably had more to do with it then the Pearl crap (which took place later). (this does not mean I think this was handled correctly, FWIW).
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 11:46:15 AM
Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.

Start a "You better have some rough ridin' answers, Vaughn" thread.


:thumbs:

Yes, but it makes sense the more I think about it. Currie may have hired a self important control freak at Compliance Director to polish his image and compensate for the Pearl incidents, and it may have backfired. It wouldn't be the first time that a hire has blown up in a boss' face because his subordinate is too power-hungry.

You also have to remember that he took over for super-party-non-stop-fun-time Bob Krause and his little shitstorm. That probably had more to do with it then the Pearl crap (which took place later). (this does not mean I think this was handled correctly, FWIW).

Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 11:51:58 AM
I called ku compliance, and they said, "will you do your stand up for us at the end of year banquet"?

That's a big time program there folks .  . . nobody over there is picking up the narc line for $200 in foldin money.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
Lets not forget we are in super transparency mode after Krause/Wefart. When you live in a glass house, the neighbors can see you doing the lines of coke very clearly.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 12:02:46 PM
I called ku compliance, and they said, "will you do your stand up for us at the end of year banquet"?

I would love to have a goEMAW end of year banquet at which Dax does material.  :love:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 12:03:10 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them.  The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 12:05:19 PM
What's Pete going to do now that Currie isn't giving him his rough ridin' answers?

I have a few thoughts on this, check your PM
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 19, 2012, 12:12:59 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them.  The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.

Lol, this incident will have no effect on our already shitty recruiting.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 12:17:26 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

instead we get this, which again just makes you think what in the world is going on over there that something can come up in between the first and second game that escalates from some "third party witness" to jamar can't play all in the span of 24 hours? that just makes no sense.




 Kansas State athletics director John Currie told reporters shortly before the game that Samuels’ ineligibility “developed very rapidly over the last 24 hours."

“We are working diligently to try and resolve it even right now," Currie said. "Jamar Samuels has worked extremely hard academically and athletically throughout his career. We are certainly going to do everything we can to advocate for him.”



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 12:20:25 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

It would've at least kept Jamar from looking like an bad person to the country and blunted the impact of the hit to his reputation if he had said the same thing during a postgame press conference that he'd said to Wyatt. I think that would have at least calmed some people down here. I'm not convinced on your second point. Given how the AD enables Snyder to run his fortress of silence with an iron fist, I wouldn't be surprised if they just sit on this and tell us true EMAW's to "deal with it" because the tuck hordes are openly supporting them.  The damage is already done in terms of negative ammunition for recruiting, and nobody's gonna pay any attention if we quietly leak something that explains the situation within the next couple of months, so they may just decide to sit on it and hope that it goes away.

My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 12:24:10 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

You have to remember that he put out that statement long before Fanning broke the story. He can't come out and say "We're benching him because someone told us he took $200 from Curtis Malone". It was obvious it was an impermissible gift issue from the statements he made to Meek and Manbeck, but saying any more would have been far worse for Jamar than what was actually said.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 12:26:39 PM
My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.

yeah, if anyone was throwing Jamar under the bus, it was Malone.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 12:29:40 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

You have to remember that he put out that statement long before Fanning broke the story. He can't come out and say "We're benching him because someone told us he took $200 from Curtis Malone". It was obvious it was an impermissible gift issue from the statements he made to Meek and Manbeck, but saying any more would have been far worse for Jamar than what was actually said.

i'm not telling you what he should or should't have done. i'm telling you what would maybe make me happy because you just said "Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy".
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 12:29:40 PM
Valid point. I might have jumped the gun by immediately using Currie as a scapegoat (although I do think he should've done more to stick up for Jamar than just talk him up on Wyatt's pregame show). What sucks is that we're never really going to know what happened unless we can get a captaincrap or BSAC scoop.

Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy. I suppose he could have repeated what he said to Wyatt to reporters, but no one here would think that's enough. And I think we'll find out what happened, or at least pretty close. They won't let Curtis Malone's story be the only version out there.

i want to know whose call it was and why they made the call to sit him. when they were notified, who were they notified by (doesn't have to be a specific name) and what steps they took when they were. a pretty simple and precise explanation might make me perfectly happy. dead serious.

instead we get this, which again just makes you think what in the world is going on over there that something can come up in between the first and second game that escalates from some "third party witness" to jamar can't play all in the span of 24 hours? that just makes no sense.




 Kansas State athletics director John Currie told reporters shortly before the game that Samuels’ ineligibility “developed very rapidly over the last 24 hours."

“We are working diligently to try and resolve it even right now," Currie said. "Jamar Samuels has worked extremely hard academically and athletically throughout his career. We are certainly going to do everything we can to advocate for him.”


The "third Party" could have been a big dick and not only called compliance but also the NCAA and Syracuse. I would not put it past a pissed off Wichita State fan.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
i'm not telling you what he should or should't have done. i'm telling you what would maybe make me happy because you just said "Nothing Currie could have said would have made people happy".

I don't think what you are saying would make you happy would have actually made you happy given the circumstances but I'm not a mind reader so who knows.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 19, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/kansas-state-jamar-samuels-a-victim-of-ncaa-tournament-amateur-sham-031912 (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/kansas-state-jamar-samuels-a-victim-of-ncaa-tournament-amateur-sham-031912)

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
My issue is that the person that made Jamar/his family look the worst was Curtis Malone. He didn't have to tell Meek that Jamar was hungry and couldn't afford to eat and that his family had nothing to help him. He could've easily told Meek "no comment". I find it hard to believe that as long as he has done this that Malone actually believes he can give former players money, no matter how well he knows them.

yeah, if anyone was throwing Jamar under the bus, it was Malone.

new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i wanted to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 12:41:27 PM
All I want to know is how can I be method man in this scenario.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 12:43:31 PM
All I want to know is how can I be method man in this scenario.


i'll need a few hours...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 12:45:35 PM
new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i want to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?

Yeah.

Regardless, Malone's comments only make K-State's position and whatever they say even more delicate, so I'm not surprised K-State/Currie hasn't said anything yet.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 12:46:22 PM
I do wonder how much Frank hates Curtis Malone. I mean, what a dickhead that guy is to Frank. I guess he still deserves a little residual goodwill for beasley and rod, but man. That crap has to expire soon.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Paul Moscow on March 19, 2012, 12:53:54 PM
The Nation jumps in, http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Sorry if repost, haven't read through the past 10 pages
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 19, 2012, 12:56:46 PM
I do wonder how much Frank hates Curtis Malone. I mean, what a dickhead that guy is to Frank. I guess he still deserves a little residual goodwill for beasley and rod, but man. That crap has to expire soon.

Curtis Malone will always be some sort of shadowy villain to a lot of KSU fans due to Beasley, Judge, and this, regardless of who we've gotten from him in the past.

Also, the fact that he recently assaulted a guy probably doesn't help.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Winters on March 19, 2012, 12:58:26 PM
What a mess.  :frown:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EllToPay on March 19, 2012, 12:59:52 PM
The Nation jumps in, http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Sorry if repost, haven't read through the past 10 pages

Quote
His team had to figure out a new game plan with twenty minutes to spare, while administrators furiously tried to lobby officials to change their mind. The NCAA’s absolute authority as judge, jury and executioner, is a recipe for abuse.

:dubious:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 19, 2012, 01:00:04 PM
new thought... this is all some kind of suge knight p diddy east coast west coast thing and jamar just got tupac'd. frank is suge. malone is puff. dalonte is mace. currie is maybe snoop (not really sure here). the ncaa tournament was the source awards where suge called out bad boy. oh man. i mean the quote about "if i want to hide it i would've done it differently". wow just wow. you think malone waited one or two hours before calling the ncaa to tell them what he just did?

Yeah.

Regardless, Malone's comments only make K-State's position and whatever they say even more delicate, so I'm not surprised K-State/Currie hasn't said anything yet.

Well, we do have to be careful.  We don't need Malone telling the NCAA he's been giving money to our numerous DC Assault players over the last five years.

A part of me wants this to just go away for that reason.  Malone is not some guy you screw with.  The Suge Knight reference was funny because after the assault charge, I immediately thought of him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 19, 2012, 01:00:16 PM
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 19, 2012, 01:01:48 PM
currie is getting a free pass with the media.   :dubious:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 19, 2012, 01:04:37 PM
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

The ties have been cut.  We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon.  But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.

Look, everyone got screwed but Malone.  Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick.  We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.

If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.

Malone just scares the ---- out of me.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 19, 2012, 01:05:55 PM
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

The ties have been cut.  We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon.  But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.

Look, everyone got screwed but Malone.  Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick.  We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.

If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.

Malone just scares the ---- out of me.

Sorry, "cut ties" was bad phrasing on my part. I meant, how aggressive we get when poking the bear, to use your analogy.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 01:09:23 PM
currie is getting a free pass with the media.   :dubious:

Which came first, Self reporting the infraction, or a call from the NCAA saying you need to self report. I am beginning to wonder if it was the latter. Especially since it was reported on twitter during the game that K-State was still actively trying to get Samuels eligible. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 01:29:36 PM
If I was Jamar, punching Malone in his fat face would be priority #1 once I graduated.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

Please list in order of who we should be the most angry at, down to who we should be the least angry at: (TIA)

- Currie
- Jamar
- Frank
- NCAA
- townie snitch
- Malone
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 01:34:49 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 01:36:20 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:36:31 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.

Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:37:13 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

Please list in order of who we should be the most angry at, down to who we should be the least angry at: (TIA)

- Currie
- Jamar
- Frank
- NCAA
- townie snitch
- Malone

1. NCAA
2. Malone
3. Jamar
4. Everybody else
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: puniraptor on March 19, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
hmmm. This is a twist.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2012, 01:38:30 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:38:36 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 01:39:31 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

Did we tell the NCAA first or did they already know (Mr. Third Party told them as well) ?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
Sooo, NCAA has stupid money rules that we have all discussed in past.

Did Malone snitch himself as some major F You to Frank for past issues and Jamar was the perfect weapon to do so with?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 01:39:58 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 19, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
What is the name and address of the townie snitch?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 01:40:52 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

I know, that's the Zero Chance thing.  was a joke.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
What is the name and address of the townie snitch?

I have a feeling it's the guy who is threatened by Jamar wanting to become Mayor of Manhattan.

Early smear campaign from a guy who isn't a fan of orgies in his front yard on top of puke covered trash.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 19, 2012, 01:43:08 PM
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

The ties have been cut.  We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon.  But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.

Look, everyone got screwed but Malone.  Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick.  We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.

If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.

Malone just scares the ---- out of me.


In the not too distant past, I remember everyone sayin " what we need is a good AAU connection so we can get recruits and win, to hell with the consequences", and now we don't want that? 

The only real issue here is not playing Jamar if you follow the former line of thinking, and the idea that no recruits will come here now because of the action taken against Jamar, and FM.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
Now we have to wonder how much (if any) dirt Malone has on the K-State program if we get too aggressive in "cutting ties."

The ties have been cut.  We're not getting anyone from DC Assault any time soon.  But we (being the fans) don't know what Malone has been doing with our numerous recruits over the years.

Look, everyone got screwed but Malone.  Honestly, I don't really want to poke that bear with a stick.  We got a great foundation built with DC Assault kids, and our sacrifice was a loss in a second round NCAA tournament game that may or may not have still happened with Jamar.

If the AD comes out with a statement issuing regret over the situation and lauding Jamar for being a good kid who made a great contribution to KSU for 4.5 years, I'd call it good.

Malone just scares the ---- out of me.


In the not too distant past, I remember everyone sayin " what we need is a good AAU connection so we can get recruits and win, to hell with the consequences", and now we don't want that? 

The only real issue here is not playing Jamar if you follow the former line of thinking, and the idea that no recruits will come here now because of the action taken against Jamar, and FM.

Not that we don't want that, it's that we already lost that from Malone with Beaz.  Nothing going on right now, that anyone seems to know of, suggests that Malone has any interest in reconnecting with KSU.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 19, 2012, 01:47:08 PM
capt crap is going to tow the company line on this one.  i'm standing firm that currie is a jackass.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 01:50:47 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

why hasn't Currie publicly said this?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EllToPay on March 19, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.

Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.

Will Frank leave over this?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:54:42 PM
capt crap is going to tow the company line on this one.  i'm standing firm that currie is a jackass.

You guys are acting like there were multiple options available to K-State once they found out about the violation, and then Currie or somebody in Compliance purposely chose the shittiest one. That isn't how it works, at all.

There's basically two options when they are made aware of a violation: report it or ignore it. Once you choose to report it, there's a process they go through (rule him ineligible, apply for reinstatement, get a ruling). Once it's reported, the only judgement involved is that of the NCAA.

If you choose to ignore it, you are taking a serious risk -- when it comes out later (which it almost certainly would have, considering who it was) and the NCAA finds out that K-State knew and chose to overlook a potentially serious violation, they come down hard -- postseason bans, scholarship reductions, etc. You really want to go down that road over $200?

I know it sucks, but really K-State was in a pretty awful spot with no real options. If you want to upset with anything I'd say be upset with the NCAA for ruling it a violation despite CM and JS previous relationship.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 19, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
capt crap is going to tow the company line on this one.  i'm standing firm that currie is a jackass.

You guys are acting like there were multiple options available to K-State once they found out about the violation, and then Currie or somebody in Compliance purposely chose the shittiest one. That isn't how it works, at all.

Why isn't townie snitch #1 on your list?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

why hasn't Currie publicly said this?

My guess is that he will explain the situation at some point in the next few days, probably once he gets home from the girls game in CT.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 02:00:28 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?

You can take all the time you want to investigate, sure. But the NCAA doesn't operate with "innocent until proven guilty". You have to rule him ineligible first, then gather your evidence and make your case as to why he shouldn't be ineligible. That application for reinstatement is the key part of the process, and is when the NCAA rules on when he can play again and what penalties there are if any. If this was the middle of the season and K-State had a few days to get the ruling, JS might have maybe missed a game or two and paid back the money. The timing just sucked on this one.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Gooch on March 19, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 02:09:27 PM
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 19, 2012, 02:09:37 PM
The timing just sucked on this one.

Why'd this hit when it did, if the transaction happened Monday? I realize you need to "tow the company line" or whatever. But the snitch is a big part of this, no??
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 02:10:55 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?

That's what sucks about the NCAA.

We found out about it. Reported it as soon as we did. Most likely thought it would have been okay (just being safe) NCAA says no it is not. Were caught with our dicks in our hands

If we would have waited until after, we might as well not reported it at all as the if/when the NCAA would have found out about it, the hammer blows would have been just as hard.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EllToPay on March 19, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.

Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.

Will Frank leave over this?

CC isn't answering this one.  :runaway:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

So it isn't an option to say "let's not rush to judgment, we need to investigate this fully and extensively.  Innocent until proven guilty etc."?

That's what sucks about the NCAA.

We found out about it. Reported it as soon as we did. Most likely thought it would have been okay (just being safe) NCAA says no it is not. Were caught with our dicks in our hands

If we would have waited until after, we might as well not reported it at all as the if/when the NCAA would have found out about it, the hammer blows would have been just as hard.

Correct. NCAA rules much more harshly on schools that do not report when they clearly should have. It's the only way the NCAA compliance setup works, is having schools self-report. So they make it much more punitive when you fail to do so.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
Just now reading the board, not interested in reading all 26 pages. Somebody cliff notes me: where are you guys at on your blame game, and what questions need answering?

currie is to blame because he overreacted to take a hard line on compliance for his resume and should have made a better statement detailing exactly what and when happened and doesn't care if frank leaves.

Incorrect. Not an overreaction. Nothing to do with his resume or with Frank.

Will Frank leave over this?

Strongly doubt it. Can't speak for him, but I'm sure he's frustrated by the situation. But like I've said it's not a K-State problem, it's just a shitty deal all the way around.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 02:18:23 PM
CC, Would it be safe to assume that we thought he would be cleared to play when we self reported.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 02:24:14 PM
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Thanks for these responses CC. And for K-State not making a big deal out of the fatty shirts.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 02:26:31 PM
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 02:27:13 PM
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

I'm sure they asked Jamar did he get the money and from who, and he told them the truth. If they did self report based on a random phone call then that is shitty compliance form.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 02:27:25 PM
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

I think CC is saying KU would have to IMMEDIATELY report this, T-Rob would be suspended and so would Self until they get cleared.  Regardless of verification, proof, gathering information, foundation, verification.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kougar24 on March 19, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

why hasn't Currie publicly said this?

My guess is that he will explain the situation at some point in the next few days, probably once he gets home from the girls game in CT.

Is there anything WBB doesn't ruin?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 02:28:16 PM
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

They ruled.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 02:28:36 PM
i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

can confirm, i am an expert
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EllToPay on March 19, 2012, 02:32:07 PM
would love to know the chain of events from who was told first and what they did with the information and what the information even was. seems like kstate could've stalled that a day or two. i mean, you can't just self report every ridiculously stupid thing that you're told and then have to gather your proof and fight to get him put back on the team.

i mean, why can't i just call ku compliance next friday and tell them that i personally just saw thomas robinson taking two hundred dollars from bill self in a parking lot while simultaneously cheating on his geography assignment?

I think CC is saying KU would have to IMMEDIATELY report this, T-Rob would be suspended and so would Self until they get cleared.  Regardless of verification, proof, gathering information, foundation, verification.

Wow, would be a shame if someone actually did this to spoil KU's chances at a title and having T-Rob and Taylor going out on top. Would be awful.

TSC.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 02:33:54 PM
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

They ruled.

Why didn't Currie explain this to inquiring reporters following the game Saturday, with plenty of time to spare to go to Connecticut?

Are KSU athletes, particularly DC Assault alums, instructed not to get money from past AAU coaches, particularly Curtis Malone, regardless of whether or not they consider them "family?"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2012, 02:43:35 PM
cc, are you the mole?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2012, 02:44:34 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Is this truely a violation based on the parties prior relationship?

Yes, according to the NCAA

The NCAA ruled on this episode, or it's KSU's belief/fear that this is a violation under NCAA rules?

They ruled.

I'm so proud that the ICT pakr's and my strut 'n cut teammates asked the best and most pertinent questions.  Thanks CC for answering.  Although I didn't have any conspiracy theories I will certainly eat crow as these two questions/answers addressed my issues with this.  I will be interested to see how/why the NCAA ruled that Jamar and Curtis didn't fit the prior relationship standard, and how this will effect K-State Basketball as this certainly wasn't the first time Malone sent Jamar money, he said as much.

CC care to share light on this?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
I still am the most angry at the townie snitch  :dunno:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
Yeah I was wrong on a lot of things. Sorry, Currie. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 03:01:55 PM
Question for the Resume Builder tucks:

What Big time program would want to hire an AD who sole claims to fame are hording millions of dollars and being a compliance Nazi?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 03:06:06 PM
Question for the Resume Builder tucks:

What Big time program would want to hire an AD who sole claims to fame are hording millions of dollars and being a compliance Nazi?

I'll bite. 

He is doing the compliance to establish a reputation.  He wouldn't do it at his dream job.  He would just use his reputation as a compliance nazi to get the job who would mutually be using that reputation to burnish a tarnished reputation.

The profit just shows he can raise a bunch of money, balance the books and control costs.  That doesn't look good?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 03:10:45 PM
Question for the Resume Builder tucks:

What Big time program would want to hire an AD who sole claims to fame are hording millions of dollars and being a compliance Nazi?

I'll bite. 

He is doing the compliance to establish a reputation.  He wouldn't do it at his dream job.  He would just use his reputation as a compliance nazi to get the job who would mutually be using that reputation to burnish a tarnished reputation.

The profit just shows he can raise a bunch of money, balance the books and control costs.  That doesn't look good?

I guess if I was a big time school looking for a new add, I would rather hire one that makes no waves (positive or negative) as far as compliance than one that is a compliance nazi.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 03:11:27 PM
Quote
Goal Three: "INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENCY IN MATTERS OF ETHICS, FINANCE, AND NCAA COMPLIANCE"

So long as there's a "Captain Crap" and goEMAW.com Q&A sessions, consider goal #3 as MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.  Warm up the dogtag t-shirts, motherfuckers.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 03:12:52 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 03:23:14 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny.  A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game.  It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type. 

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 03:26:08 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny.  A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game.  It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type. 

I've addressed it with several posts, but it was from a known agent runner with a known association to multiple players in the university and it took place the week of the most important game of the year. The fact that it even took place looks FAR worse than any reaction could look good.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Gooch on March 19, 2012, 03:26:45 PM
Yeah I was wrong on a lot of things. Sorry, Currie. 
Meh. A wise man once said "I don't like Currie".
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: mocat on March 19, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny.  A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game.  It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type.

Man, when you lay it out like that, it really makes you sad. So sad for Jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

I haven't ascribed to this theory but to play devils advocate here:

The "Jamar incident" has no relevance to his resume.  The swift and thorough reaction to it through Currie and his compliance office is a positive mark on his resume.  He nor compliance has any control over Malone sending money and Jamar accepting it.  They do however have total control over what they do when they find out.  The talking point that "everybody cheats" is complete BS.  University Presidents and Boards of Regents want a guy who has control over their athletic departments and won't give the university a black eye by covering up or being lazy.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 03:30:25 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny.  A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game.  It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type. 

Of course, this hypothetical university might be concerned with why an athletic director hadn't long ago squashed any possibility that student-athletes could think it was OK to get $200 from their former AAU coach and father figure simultaneously embroiled in a lawsuit with the GKSUBB'rOAT, when apparently it takes a day or less for the NCAA to say it's not alright.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

I haven't ascribed to this theory but to play devils advocate here:

The "Jamar incident" has no relevance to his resume.  The swift and thorough reaction to it through Currie and his compliance office is a positive mark on his resume.  He nor compliance has any control over Malone sending money and Jamar accepting it.  They do however have total control over what they do when they find out.  The talking point that "everybody cheats" is complete BS.  University Presidents and Boards of Regents want a guy who has control over their athletic departments and won't give the university a black eye by covering up or being lazy.

That's fair, but you can't have the reaction without the incident, and Currie deserves a shitload of responsibility for the incident. He oversees compliance training and making sure athletes have the resources to succeed. (Not starving is part of success, IMO)

Even still, if you believe what captain is saying, a "swift reaction" is what was best for KSU.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
He nor compliance has any control over Malone sending money and Jamar accepting it. 

If Jamar getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation, I think anybody with more than a passing interest in KSU hoops over the last 5 years would know that administration should make it abundantly clear to Jamar and Rodney not to be getting money from Curtis Malone.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
If it looks good on a resume, it is good for K-State.

The Jamar incident does not look good on a resume, and I'm not sure why so many otherwise intelligent people think it would in any way, shape, or form.

It doesn't look bad on an AD level resume for any school who wants to project an outward appearance and reputation that would deflect a certain level of scrutiny.  A kid took $200 and got absolutely squashed for it as a Senior immediately before his last game of his career on the day of a second round NCAA game.  It makes Straight Arrow Generro look like the wild and loose type. 

Of course, this hypothetical university might be concerned with why an athletic director hadn't long ago squashed any possibility that student-athletes could think it was OK to get $200 from their former AAU coach and father figure simultaneously embroiled in a lawsuit with the GKSUBB'rOAT, when apparently it takes a day or less for the NCAA to say it's not alright.

I DNR the first 20+ pages of this.

Currie could mention that a really f'ed up guy named Krouse had the job before him when the team had active ties to Malone.  Currie could mention that his time came after the ties were severed in an all but complete way.  Currie could go on to say that he had a discussion with Rodney and Jamar about Malone and warned them of such swift action as what took place Sat with Jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 03:39:32 PM
Currie could go on to say that he had a discussion with Rodney and Jamar about Malone and warned them of such swift action as what took place Sat with Jamar.

Well yeah, he could say whatever he wants in an interview. 
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 19, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
I saw Jamar in Dillons at customer service last Tuesday.

:horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 19, 2012, 03:44:00 PM
So just the NCAA then huh?  Welp, goEMAW gunna goEMAW.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 19, 2012, 03:47:11 PM
I saw Jamar in Dillons at customer service last Tuesday.

:horrorsurprise:

Who else saw him? Who were you with?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2012, 03:47:25 PM
Meh.  Still don't like Currie.  Still think Frank don't like Currie neither. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
I saw Jamar in Dillons at customer service last Tuesday.

:horrorsurprise:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcancerous-moles.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F11%2FCancerous-moles.jpg&hash=3929e84dc84a2b12dda2d2f37773051a56c46893)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 03:49:30 PM
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.

To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 03:51:42 PM
Meh.  Still don't like Currie.  Still think Frank don't like Currie neither. 

You're very astute, CartierFor3, no matter how much you love cancer.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.

To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.

How many games did Cam miss? It goes back to the double standard things. If I remember correctly. The NCAA ruled Cam ineligible and in less than 24 hours He was ruled okay to play and practice after Auburn appealed. Seems they worked at a different speed for the Newton situation.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2012, 03:56:11 PM
Meh.  Still don't like Currie.  Still think Frank don't like Currie neither. 

You're very astute, CartierFor3, no matter how much you love cancer.

 :blush:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 03:56:40 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.

To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.

How many games did Cam miss? It goes back to the double standard things. If I remember correctly. The NCAA ruled Cam ineligible and in less than 24 hours He was ruled okay to play and practice after Auburn appealed. Seems they worked at a different speed for the Newton situation.

It took them a day or so for Cam. K-State had like 12 hours.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 04:00:37 PM
Who was the implicator?

Maybe I missed that part.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 04:04:15 PM
I would just remind everybody again that this happens a lot. It happened last year with Perry Jones at Baylor, he was suspended the day before the Big12 Tourney for improper benefits and had to miss several games (which carried over to this year). Difference is with Jamar it happened to be his senior season and we lost, so he's done. But exactly the same situation as Perry jones, Durand Scott, Cam Newton, Josh Selby, etc etc etc. Kids get caught taking money or trips or clothes or rides from "friends" all the time, and the NCAA doesn't always agree that they are "friends". So kids get ruled ineligible, the school apples for reinstatement, it gets ruled on, punishment is given if any.

To make the ruling about Currie in any way is missing the point. If you want to complain about how JC handled the publicity or media afterwards, that's probably fair.

How many games did Cam miss? It goes back to the double standard things. If I remember correctly. The NCAA ruled Cam ineligible and in less than 24 hours He was ruled okay to play and practice after Auburn appealed. Seems they worked at a different speed for the Newton situation.

It took them a day or so for Cam. K-State had like 12 hours.

Hope we can get a new "K-State rule" out of this.

"If a member institution appeals a ruling by the NCAA on a student athlete any suspensions will be removed until a proper investigation can take place. The games during which time an appeal is open shall not count against said institution unless the appeal is seen with out any merit"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 19, 2012, 04:04:30 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.

What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 04:04:54 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.

Yet they never F anyone over.  EVER.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
It took them a day or so for Cam. K-State had like 12 hours.

You know how much we appreciate you coming here cc, but is there any prospect of Currie laying out the exact chronology anytime soon?  You're the best, but surely the transparency pledge can't consist of "captain crap" fielding selected questions, even if they are coming from THE message board for EMAW elites.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 04:10:23 PM
If the NCAA truly doesn't care about $, but only about reporting, our special friends of the program need to really take this to both heart and wallet and start getting some crap done.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:10:45 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.

What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?

Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 04:12:51 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.

What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?

Compliance office no doubt keeps a call/communication log. It would have been very easy for the NCAA to find out when we found out about this possible issue and our reporting of it after an internal probe.

Also there is a good bet we thought he would be cleared. (may have been a f'up on compliance part)

If they found that we let him play while know this stuff we could kiss any win/money we made from the tourney (could still if the report came in before the southern miss game)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:13:26 PM
If the NCAA truly doesn't care about $, but only about reporting, our special friends of the program need to really take this to both heart and wallet and start getting some crap done.

That's not what I meant... clearly there's a difference between a kid getting $200 and $200,000. The penalties would reflect that. But in either case, if a school knowingly hid it from the NCAA or lied about it, the NCAA would still come down harshly even if it was just $200 -- because the school covered it up. That's where the amount doesn't matter as much. NCAA doesn't want schools covering anything up, no matter how trivial the school think it is.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 04:14:21 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.

What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?

Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.

I look forward to seeing these.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 04:14:57 PM
CC, in another thread, Limestone quotes Kietz saying "2.  KS doesn't have a "compliance" department, it has an "enforcement" department and is much different from other NCAA schools."

two Q's:

1. has this been something we have looked into restructuring to?

2. if not, why not?

This should be made our #1 priority, even above the practice facility.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:16:07 PM
CC, in another thread, Limestone quotes Kietz saying "2.  KS doesn't have a "compliance" department, it has an "enforcement" department and is much different from other NCAA schools."

two Q's:

1. has this been something we have looked into restructuring to?

2. if not, why not?

This should be made our #1 priority, even above the practice facility.

Not surprisingly, KK is very wrong on this. K-State compliance office is no different than the vast majority of schools.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Why couldn't Currie have just Ohio Stated this thing and worked out a deal where Jamar gets suspended from future games that he has zero chance of playing in while staying free to play in all the post season play this year?

He's a senior, no upcoming games to suspend him for.

so what's the consequence if you just play him? Did the NCAA make that call, or Currie?

The same thing happened to Miami FL with Durand Scott -- when a player receives improper benefits, he is immediately ineligible and has to be withheld from play until the NCAA reinstatement committee rules on what needs to happen for him to return. The reinstatement committee is who K-State was working with on game day and even during play. If you play an ineligible player you will end up vacating the win, forfeit any revenue from the game, and risk probation. If the NCAA finds out you knew about the player being ineligible and played him anyway, that's how you end up with jobs lost, postseason bans and scholarship reductions.

I can recall no situation where this has EVER happened with an issue as small as the case at hand.  Do you know of one? 

OR, is it as we suspect, where other institutions are more "resourceful" in how they characterize accusations...e.g. "I don't believe we have a violation, so we will play the kid" then, after some additional review, maybe submit the accusation later, "just in case."

I am guessing we are one the most conservative side of the spectrum on this....like the very end of the right-hand side of the spectrum.

Ohio State... USC... UCF... all had knowledge (or should have had knowledge) of improper benefits and played an ineligible player.

NCAA doesn't care about the money involved, they care about schools reporting stuff. It's the only way the NCAA can enforce their rules -- they can't hire a rules police for every school, so they have to rely on the schools policing themselves. So when a school fails at that, the NCAA will always penalize them pretty good.

Most self-reported violations have relatively light penalties, because NCAA wants to keep encouraging the school to self-report. It's the carrot on the stick -- keep self-reporting, we'll be easier on you. Sweep it under the rug, we'll F you over when we find out.

What would be the diff between reporting Friday night or Sunday night?

Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.

If Currie and our lawyers are too stupid to finesse the timeline (as they are actually doing right now as I type this  but behind closed doors) then tell them we can help.  When you first have a hint of impropriety you don't have to make a snap judgment.  Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?  The suggestion of a violation isn't proof of one. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 04:17:28 PM
CC, who tipped K-State off?  Townie tuck who happened to be walking by Jamar at the customer service counter, or Western Union employee behind the counter? Is anything going to be done to this tipster for a blatant breach of confidentiality/possible violations of interstate commerce laws?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 19, 2012, 04:18:12 PM
Is it really that hard for the compliance office to draw out figuring out the Jamar situation? It seemed like they could have easily held back their findings by making sure they had more "thoroughly" investigated the situation themselves.

EDIT: what limestone said
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 04:19:13 PM
CC, what about Curtis Malone? Will we take out a restraining order against him? At the very least do we have dartboards in the athletic offices with his face on them or something?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
I also have a way of handling this.

Don't say a word, play Jamar, and tell Capt. Narc that if he says anything he won't wake up in the morning.

Pretty simple
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 04:22:34 PM
Oh yeah Cam Newton, it all came out and the NCAA pretty much said there was not only smoke, but the house had been burned to the ground . . . but there was nothing they could do.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:24:26 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

And you guys keep saying KU does it better... Josh Selby had the same thing happen to him, only at the start of his career. He was ruled ineligible, KU investigated the improper benefits claim, applied for reinstatement, NCAA ruled it a violation and required a suspension and repayment of benefits. Bill Self kept complaining about how long it was taking. Exactly the same. Jamar's is just magnified because of the timing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:25:29 PM
Oh yeah Cam Newton, it all came out and the NCAA pretty much said there was not only smoke, but the house had been burned to the ground . . . but there was nothing they could do.

True... wasn't referring to the violation itself but rather the process they went through. K-State did the same.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 04:25:44 PM
CC, who tipped K-State off?  Townie tuck who happened to be walking by Jamar at the customer service counter, or Western Union employee behind the counter? Is anything going to be done to this tipster for a blatant breach of confidentiality/possible violations of interstate commerce laws?

Given what happened, it basically has to be:
1. the western union/grocery store employee that actually handled the transaction
2. Malone himself
3. some other rando that Jamar discussed the transaction with

Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 19, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 19, 2012, 04:26:18 PM

Ok, so in your scenario let's say K-State waits to report Sunday, even though we knew Friday. We play Jamar. We self report Sunday. NCAA asks, "when did you know?". We now have two options. Admit we knew Friday, but played him anyway, which is bad -- we knowingly played an ineligible player. Option 2, lie to NCAA and say "omg, we just found out today!!1!". NCAA does its due diligence, investigates the report. Sure enough, they find records and witnesses that show we knew Friday. Now it's really bad, because not only did K-State knowingly play an ineligible player, but then they lied about it.

Who cares? I mean seriously who cares about any of this? All of that "due diligence" would occur after the NCAA tournament. We'd get a slap on the wrist and be off to the paint store to buy another Sweet 16 banner.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: "storm"nut on March 19, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

Would this timeline be correct

1. found out about it from source
2. investigated it and found it to be true
3. suspended Jamar
4. Reported to the NCAA (thinking things would be cleared up)
5. 12 hours till tip, NCAA rules Jamar is ineligible
6. before, during and currently we are working to get this reversed.

Look about right?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
I think I keep missing the part as to who the implicator was?

And why he or she was so credible with their implication of one of our student athletes that we fearfully ran to the NCAA with this self report in this manner.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
But as I recall, every situation of "improper benefits" at ku over the last few years involved situations that occurred before the kid(s) got to campus as enrolled student athletes.

No chance this happens at ku a day before an NCAA tourney game .  . . not . . . a . . . chance!!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
stop bothering cc (aka the mole) with your stupid crap.  he won't want to come back.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 19, 2012, 04:27:20 PM
for the record, i love your info capt crap.  not hating the messenger on this one.

just seems like there was plenty of wiggle room for Currie to work with.  If our athletic department is 100% squeaky clean, then I'm ashamed.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.


So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

The Cam Newton stuff didn't "pop up" one day.  Auburn knew he was for sale from day 1.  They just finessed it so they got him, then ruled him out knowing the NCAA couldn't connect the dots and they'd have him cleared for Conference play.

As to ku, they took their sweet time between his allegedly getting paid and suspending him.

The same thing is going to happen with Shabazz.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: AbeFroman on March 19, 2012, 04:29:03 PM
Why didn't Currie just let his phone go to voicemail and then "forget" to check it for 12 hours
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:34:34 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:35:12 PM
In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 04:35:55 PM
Why didn't Currie just let his phone go to voicemail and then "forget" to check it for 12 hours


You don't get to responding to every e-mail by letting messages lapse.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 19, 2012, 04:36:13 PM
CC, in another thread, Limestone quotes Kietz saying "2.  KS doesn't have a "compliance" department, it has an "enforcement" department and is much different from other NCAA schools."

two Q's:

1. has this been something we have looked into restructuring to?

2. if not, why not?

This should be made our #1 priority, even above the practice facility.


What Keitzman is saying is that we run our compliance department more like an enforcement department.

Like the old adage, it's better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission. 

Except we do a lot of asking for permission instead of begging for forgiveness apparently...







Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.

Please list the benefits of a hyper vigilant compliance department versus one that doesn't exist (ku) or is at least not as vigilant/conservative?

Because ku ain't selling tickets by being conservative.
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 19, 2012, 04:38:10 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.


So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Correct, and if it is "no" then there is no reason for kstate to have determined it to be legit and report it until 1 minute after we beat Syracuse.

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 19, 2012, 04:38:44 PM
I would like to take this time to remind all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) townies that witnessing the breaking of NCAA regs is not witnessing the breaking of laws and therefore you are in no way ethically or legally required to inform anyone unless your job requires it. 

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 04:40:10 PM
I would like to take this time to remind all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) townies that witnessing the breaking of NCAA regs is not witnessing the breaking of laws and therefore you are in no way ethically or legally required to inform anyone unless your job requires it. 

I bet it was all that crap we gave OK_Cat and his bro who didn't report the child rape that made all the townies super-vigilant.  Bit by our own snake again.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.



 If your desire was to stay at KSU, then you can "play ball."  Currie has to fund raise, and not get into troubs.  That's how he gets the jobs he's been rumored to have been applying for, but getting passed over (e.g. Illinois and UNC).
Title: Re: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 19, 2012, 04:40:44 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.
Okay, someone get a western union receipt or whatever so we can photoshop the crap out of it for every opponent we ever play in any sport ever.

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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
When Jamar finds out who this person was who issued the accusation (if he hasn't already), what makes you think he won't disclose to all of us the precise details of how this went down?

I mean, he a senior.  What can Currie do about that?  Answer:nothing.  Not that we need Jamar to get all this information....
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: captaincrap on March 19, 2012, 04:45:44 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

Would this timeline be correct

1. found out about it from source
2. investigated it and found it to be true
3. suspended Jamar
4. Reported to the NCAA (thinking things would be cleared up)
5. 12 hours till tip, NCAA rules Jamar is ineligible
6. before, during and currently we are working to get this reversed.

Look about right?

Close enough. Was much closer to tipoff that NCAA ruled it a violation and denied reinstatement for the game.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
BSAC already knows the information, but he is trying to buy an island in the Seychelles right now and not answering emails.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 04:52:28 PM
CC dodging all questions about the informant   :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 04:55:30 PM
CC dodging all questions about the informant   :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:

He knows that others are reading.

Plus, if I were him, I'd want to keep my options open when Currie finally lands one the jobs that he's frequently applying for (i.e. Illinois and UNC)

CC is a good dude, and I am very, very glad that he posts on this board....none of this is about him at all. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 19, 2012, 04:55:30 PM
CC dodging all questions about the informant   :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:

He knows.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2012, 05:06:28 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.

What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
This is going well.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 05:13:18 PM
Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.
So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.

What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

Yep.  Will be very, very interesting to learn who was involved.  I greatly look forward to it.   :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 05:19:32 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 05:20:43 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.

Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have?  Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees?  Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?

For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?



Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 05:21:26 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Makes a lot of sense. I can see Frank giving a massive facepalm  and going "Why the eff did you tell me that jamar? Why the eff did you tell me?"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 05:22:30 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Makes a lot of sense. I can see Frank giving a massive facepalm  and going "Why the eff did you tell me that jamar? Why the eff did you tell me?"

I could buy that.  Seems logical.  Sure would love to know.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 05:23:42 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.

Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have?  Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees?  Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?

For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?

Honestly, I would guess they would probably have to ask the player no matter how small. But when the allegation involves Curtis Malone and cash you can be damn sure that any compliance department/AD in our situation will ask regardless of the amount.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.

Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have?  Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees?  Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?

For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?

Honestly, I would guess they would probably have to ask the player no matter how small. But when the allegation involves Curtis Malone and cash you can be damn sure that any compliance department/AD in our situation will ask regardless of the amount.

That's reasonable.  I can appreciate that.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

So, would the athletic department have to ask about every allegation? What is the criteria for determining the allegation credibility? I honestly would like to know.

Is it like criminal allegations, where the accuser (when anonymous) has to demonstrate that they have knowledge of initimate details that only someone close to the situation would have?  Is this standard written anywhere and made available to AD employees?  Or, is this merely a "gut feel" kind of thing...merely up to the discretion of the AD?

For example, I if I called the athletic department 5 minutes before kick-off against Miami, and shared with them how I had bought Collin Klein a coke at the Union, would they be forced to hold Collin out of the game?

LHCBS to Colin: "Colin, did some youngster buy you a cherry phosphate down at the soda fountain?
CK:  Christ no.
LHCBS:  Good luck today, make your new wife proud.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 05:30:06 PM
You know what I wish?

I wish it didn't feel like Currie wasn't on our side.  You know?


I am thankful for his fund raising, but it's nothing that every single other AD at the BCS level doesn't do.  We had very, very poor leadership in that way for the last decade, and by comparison Currie seems like a white knight.  Glad to have it, but not going to award him AD of the Galaxy for it....it's just what you are supposed to do.


Where am I am missing the "skin" he is putting into the game?  When he's out there applying for other jobs, whilst saying KSU is a destination job, it comes off as deceitful and shallow.  Of course, the Wabash Station crowd never picks up on this....so I suppose he assumes that all is well.

Set me straight here...am I wrong to have this impression of Currie?  What am I missing?





 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
You know what I wish?

I wish it didn't feel like Currie wasn't on our side.  You know?


I am thankful for his fund raising, but it's nothing that every single other AD at the BCS level doesn't do.  We had very, very poor leadership in that way for the last decade, and by comparison Currie seems like a white knight.  Glad to have it, but not going to award him AD of the Galaxy for it....it's just what you are supposed to do.


Where am I am missing the "skin" he is putting into the game?  When he's out there applying for other jobs, whilst saying KSU is a destination job, it comes off as deceitful and shallow.  Of course, the Wabash Station crowd never picks up on this....so I suppose he assumes that all is well.

Set me straight here...am I wrong to have this impression of Currie?  What am I missing?

I would just say that I think he can want a better job and still be on our side. (I feel the same way about Frank, FWIW). Other than trim not liking him and townie rumors of frank not liking him, there's no reason to think he "isn't on our side", and I have no problem with any coach/AD at KSU wanting to move up the ladder in their profession.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 05:42:40 PM
You know what I wish?

I wish it didn't feel like Currie wasn't on our side.  You know?


I am thankful for his fund raising, but it's nothing that every single other AD at the BCS level doesn't do.  We had very, very poor leadership in that way for the last decade, and by comparison Currie seems like a white knight.  Glad to have it, but not going to award him AD of the Galaxy for it....it's just what you are supposed to do.


Where am I am missing the "skin" he is putting into the game?  When he's out there applying for other jobs, whilst saying KSU is a destination job, it comes off as deceitful and shallow.  Of course, the Wabash Station crowd never picks up on this....so I suppose he assumes that all is well.

Set me straight here...am I wrong to have this impression of Currie?  What am I missing?

I would just say that I think he can want a better job and still be on our side. (I feel the same way about Frank, FWIW). Other than trim not liking him and townie rumors of frank not liking him, there's no reason to think he "isn't on our side", and I have no problem with any coach/AD at KSU wanting to move up the ladder in their profession.

It's not exactly fanning, but Pete does get his impressions from better sources than my negativity and random townies.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 19, 2012, 06:03:10 PM
it's really funny that some people (KK and MANY OTHERS I'm sure) can even throw stones at him for making too much profit.  "all he's doing is building his resume"...."it's not his job to make a profit, donor's want to break even!"  this poor bastard can't win for losing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 06:42:11 PM
it's really funny that some people (KK and MANY OTHERS I'm sure) can even throw stones at him for making too much profit.  "all he's doing is building his resume"...."it's not his job to make a profit, donor's want to break even!"  this poor bastard can't win for losing.


Win for losing?  It seems pretty simple to me.  I don't see a "catch 22" at all.  But, this isn't the primary topic of the thread (albeit a good one).
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 19, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
is this thread a joke?   :dunno:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 19, 2012, 06:50:06 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 19, 2012, 06:52:15 PM
CC, would you say that goEMAW.com threw Currie under the bus? tia
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 06:55:33 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 06:56:48 PM
cpt crap-

could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 19, 2012, 07:02:20 PM
cpt crap-

could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.

Guessing the NCAA would've said "well what do you know right now?" Then we're back to the same result.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 07:04:55 PM
cpt crap-

could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.

Guessing the NCAA would've said "well what do you know right now?" Then we're back to the same result.

yeah. i don't think that's how it works.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 07:05:31 PM
cpt crap-

could kstate have called the ncaa and said hey, we just heard this and have some concern about jamar but don't have all of the facts yet. we're going to play him and then once we have everything in order we will submit what we know. seems like this is reasonable and has been floated around a lot. also, any truth to the fact that currie was not going to let him play unless the ncaa came back that he was good to go. meaning if the ncaa didn't rule in time, then he still wasn't going to play.

Guessing the NCAA would've said "well what do you know right now?" Then we're back to the same result.

What would Lew Perkins have done?  That's what i expect of my AD.  Also, I do not care about ticket scalping scandals in the midst of winning championships, just in case you were wondering....
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 19, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: _33 on March 19, 2012, 07:07:15 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:

I'm not sure you know what karma is.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:

yeah this isn't karma. this is one state school doesn't something stupid and then a couple of months later the other state school does something stupid. rinse and repeat for the past three years.
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 19, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:

I'm not sure you know what karma is.


Karma is watching a bunch of grapes stress out over an alleged NCAA violation after spending countless days and nights trying to diminish KU's dominance in basketball and blame all of our success on "cheating."  Same thing happened when Mizzou got punked by Norfolk State.

Karma.


 :love:  :love:  :love:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:

Well that's not very TSC of you.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 19, 2012, 07:14:22 PM
not sure if people have beaten this horse yet: where does the Jamar/Malone relationship stand with respect to the prior acquaintance exception and if this has happened before or was this the first transaction? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 19, 2012, 07:16:16 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:

Well that's not very TSC of you.


Well I was rooting for K-State against Syracuse.  Can't say I'm not a little amused by Jamargate, though.


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
:popcorn:

Man you have to feel great right now.



Karma works in magical ways.


 :popcorn:

I'm not sure you know what karma is.


Karma is watching a bunch of grapes stress out over an alleged NCAA violation after spending countless days and nights trying to diminish KU's dominance in basketball and blame all of our success on "cheating."  Same thing happened when Mizzou got punked by Norfolk State.

Karma.


 :love:  :love:  :love:

I think it's just "irony."  Like how it's ironic that we all know KU cheats, and we get bent out of shape about it, but then our own school gets nailed with punishment akin to cheating, even though we didn't cheat.

Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
I think it's just "irony."  Like how it's ironic that we all know KU cheats, and we get bent out of shape about it, but then our own school gets nailed with punishment akin to cheating, even though we didn't cheat.

I think it's accurate to say that there are a number of people here (especially elites) who don't get bent out of shape about KU cheating all that much. I mean, hey, more power to them. You can't win a ton of games in college basketball without getting your hands dirty in at least some ways. There's also a pretty sizable group that throws the cheating back in KU fans' faces just to bbs and they don't really care that much.

cliffs: beems, stop taking things personally :cheers:  :tsc:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
not sure if people have beaten this horse yet: where does the Jamar/Malone relationship stand with respect to the prior acquaintance exception and if this has happened before or was this the first transaction?

nobody knows yet do to currie sticking his head in the sand after over reacting in a horrible way to the detriment of jamar and our basketball team and it's coach and our fanbase. cpt crap almost talked me off the ledge but didn't. could not have been handled worse. we are now three days out and nothing, unless you call a person who goes by "captain crap" dishing stuff on a goEMAW.com message board titled operation victory, codename:dominate something. i don't. have fun at the kstate wbb game john. try not to screw them over while you're there too.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 19, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.

More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 19, 2012, 07:41:22 PM
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.

More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.



See what I mean?  Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school? 

Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 19, 2012, 07:42:57 PM
Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.

 :runaway:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 19, 2012, 07:44:24 PM
That was really mean.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-dub on March 19, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
guys. don't beemsrail this thread. tia.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 19, 2012, 07:49:17 PM
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.

More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.



See what I mean?  Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school? 

Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
its confirmed that Darrel Arthur did not complete the requirements for college admittance.  The issue is that KU was able to manipulate the clearing house to get him through and insulate the university from punishment.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 19, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.

More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.



See what I mean?  Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school? 

Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.

Darrel Arthur  :dunno:

And sorry, i didnt know that.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 19, 2012, 07:54:33 PM
I have no problem with currie and his pursuit for other jobs. It's what good business people do.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigwilliesock on March 19, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
This Oregon guy seems to get upset every time his team wins, what's his problem?  :dunno:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 19, 2012, 07:58:34 PM
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.

More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.



See what I mean?  Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school? 

Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
its confirmed that Darrel Arthur did not complete the requirements for college admittance. The issue is that KU was able to manipulate the clearing house to get him through and insulate the university from punishment.


No it's not.  He didn't need that math class to graduate high school.  KU is completely in the clear.  You idiots never cease to amaze me.  Keep 'em coming. 


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Saul, fix the thing that lets mods select which posts to split out of a thread rather than having to do them individually. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Who gets mad about ku cheating . . . I don't anymore, I admire it.

Really looking forward to the next feel good story about some ku player/s, whose mom moved to Lawrence and went to work for one of Doug Compton's companies.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 19, 2012, 08:16:59 PM
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT KU IN THIS THREAD.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 08:45:06 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.

WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 08:52:54 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.

WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

this among other things is what amazes me about how quickly the athletic dept acted in turning this in. no research or gathering information about other previous similar examples. just an insane rush to get what little they did know into the ncaa as soon as possible. ridiculous.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Whale on March 19, 2012, 09:07:46 PM
So if we learned anything out of this mess, it's that we need to have a booster's son as a walkon - let him buy all of the "groceries" and get Western Union out of the loop.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
So if we learned anything out of this mess, it's that we need to have a booster's son as a walkon - let him buy all of the "groceries" and get Western Union out of the loop.

Or have a booster hire a team mom to come to Manhattan and take care of everyone.

MIR, I am not all saying it was a violation.  I don't think it was.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 09:31:38 PM
What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.

WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

I agree with all that, I wasn't implying Jamar should break ties or even to be told to. I only said "it was over" to mean K-State/Currie was not going to mess around with it once the connection was made and they knew he got cash from Malone. There was just too much of a past with Malone to let it slide.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on March 19, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
This whole scenario is just pathetic. My initial reaction after reading this is Currie could have (and should have) played this much more smoothly. Could just be his inexperience? I dunno.

But, in the end this all comes down to the reactionary, hardly consistent in applying their rules, NCAA which creates this type of sad, maddening situation all too often.

I am not convinced ADJC did this as some resume padding ploy, although if I had known more of the details of the Jamar suspension the probability of me confronting Currie in Pittsburgh would have been exponentially higher. After the loss, he was scurrying beside me out of the (very nice) Consol Energy Center. I thought he was just saddened by the loss, but maybe he was just avoiding any media or conversation with Frank. Either way, he appeared a bit skittish.

I'm also not convinced that this would make Frank leave. First of all, where is he going? To Illinois? Where they just offered Smart 2.5 mil and fired a coach that took them to the final 4 and won twice as many games as he lost. No way. Frank isn't going there, where loyalty is obviously not too important. He is staying in Manhattan with his guys. This is what Frank does.

All this whole situation really does is solidify my hatred for the NCAA even more. And confirm that 75-80% of the KSU fanbase is delusional.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 09:58:45 PM
WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to think Jamar was perfectly in the right to see why he thought taking money from Malone was OK but at the same time see why the NCAA would not agree.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 10:08:34 PM
Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2012, 10:09:01 PM
WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to think Jamar was perfectly in the right to see why he thought taking money from Malone was OK but at the same time see why the NCAA would not agree.

Yep.  Jamar's, Curtis' or anyone else's motivations for exchange aren't what is important.  I don't think they did anything wrong, and I doubt most who look at the situation (outside of holier-than-thou tucks) do either.  The dinosauric NCAA doesn't give a crap and they look at their rules as black and white.  It is bullshit.  But what can we do about it. 

My question is this: Did they sit him because of possible vacation of games with Jamar playing going forward, or did they sit him because of all the Mombeaz, Beaz stuff?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

Those are the same motherfuckers throwing Jamar under the bus on GPC, Facebook, etc. those people don't know crap and piss me off as much as they do you. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
You should read this thread closer.  Tucks wouldn't drive me to make a 200 word post.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 10:26:07 PM
Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

And if KSU's position on Curt money changed because of Fatima/Bell, then yeah, that's shitty for Jamar, but they still should've alerted him that they weren't going to have his back if he asked Curt for money.

Cap'n Crap never answered my question about whether they did or not.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

True, but there's people in the athletic department with no duties other than compliance tasks.  Frank wasn't part of the crew that instantly decided to report this.  Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 19, 2012, 10:39:47 PM
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 19, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.

Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 19, 2012, 10:49:07 PM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 10:49:19 PM
Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.

Yeah, and so should Frank. How about having your players trust you enough to come to you when you're low on cash before their AAU coach with a bad NCAA reputation? Ever hear of that one, Frank? How about making sure you're clear on every DCA players' relationship with Malone?

Ignorance is a piss-poor excuse here.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: nicname on March 19, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.

Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.

My initial reaction was that he was, I have cooled on that a bit now.  It is human nature to want a scapegoat, I and many here chose Currie.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 10:54:10 PM
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.

Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.

frank hates him and i'm pretty sure he hates frank. people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him. i agree that he has done a lot of really, really good things since he's been here.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 19, 2012, 10:55:37 PM
Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

True, but there's people in the athletic department with no duties other than compliance tasks.  Frank wasn't part of the crew that instantly decided to report this.  Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.

Maybe those guys only believe that if there is a third party who is going to turn us in.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 10:56:40 PM
This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

This quote from Malone is just ridiculous.

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If I knew it and wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently.


And this quote from Currie seems to point at the message he was trying to get out from this.

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We believe this to be a very isolated incident.

I think Currie is scared to death of Malone and what else he might say.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 10:58:59 PM
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.


mismatched turf 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.


mismatched turf 

And darkly stained wood.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:00:39 PM
Maybe those guys only believe that if there is a third party who is going to turn us in.

Yes, having that approach would definitely lead to where we are today.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 11:02:05 PM
Currie has been very very good so far but the relationship with Frank thing is reeeeeeeally worrisome.  And of course I don't have any proof of that other than townie hearsay and Currie sitting right behind him at that one Nebrasketball game, but it seems like they don't like each other much, and that worries me greatly.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 11:02:21 PM
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.

I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 19, 2012, 11:04:19 PM
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.

would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie?  he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.

http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 19, 2012, 11:04:35 PM
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.

I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.

would pay upwards of $5 to watch a webcast of this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2012, 11:05:22 PM
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.

I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.

would attend
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.

would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie?  he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.

http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html

Can you imagine this place if Frank takes the job at rough ridin' Souf Cack? My god.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:08:37 PM
It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.

I think we should have a rough ridin' answer revealing banquet where dax does standup.

:love:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 11:09:15 PM
This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

This quote from Malone is just ridiculous.

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If I knew it and wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently.


And this quote from Currie seems to point at the message he was trying to get out from this.

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We believe this to be a very isolated incident.

I think Currie is scared to death of Malone and what else he might say.

Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous?  Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2012, 11:09:52 PM
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.

would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie?  he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.

http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html

Now that writer has some zeal. :love:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 11:11:05 PM
Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous?  Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?

No, not at all. I just think its ridiculous that he would say it (along with the rest of the stuff he said). And that's why Currie is scared to death of him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 11:11:28 PM
people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him.

would he take a worse job, just to make it obvious that he left because he hated currie?  he loved minuting up merrsie and ojeleye, after all.

http://www.dixiefriedsports.com/USC_Coaching_Candidates.html

Now that writer has some zeal. :love:

Yeah, a list of 21 names is fantastic.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 0.42 on March 19, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
LET'S ALL GET EXCITED FOR BRAD UNDERWOOD BASKETBALL!!!!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2012, 11:14:34 PM
BOB LUTZ READS goEMAW.COM

EAGLE HEADLINE WRITER AIN'T NO PETE

http://www.kansas.com/2012/03/19/2262765/kansas-state-needs-to-answer-tough.html
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 11:21:02 PM
Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous?  Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?

No, not at all. I just think its ridiculous that he would say it (along with the rest of the stuff he said). And that's why Currie is scared to death of him.

Okay, I just see it as him being genuine.  Even if it is believed that Malone is a total scum of the earth assbag, assbag scum have moments of sincerity.  If I gave you $200 in front of a cop with good intentions and it turned out you were a drug trafficker, I would ask the cop why would I buy drugs where you could see me?

IMO Malone's stance is legit.  If he's a legit bad guy who should be avoided I would think he would be more careful when sending $200 to a 6'7" black kid in a town of 50,000 white people.  No matter what anyone thinks of Malone, he didn't get where he is by being sloppy or stupid.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 11:21:38 PM
<----banned again from KSF for 'tuck pesterin'!   :bball:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 19, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
i just think it's nice that he gives money to samuels.  maybe there's some weird angle that makes it all exploitative, but i don't know what the hell that angle could be.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2012, 11:26:43 PM
That's the part I really don't get, either. It's not like Malone is going to make ten percent of Jamar's NBA millions here in a few months.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Pete on March 19, 2012, 11:32:30 PM
i just think it's nice that he gives money to samuels.  maybe there's some weird angle that makes it all exploitative, but i don't know what the hell that angle could be.

He'd have to have BOTH a hatred of Frank AND a sociopathic disregard for Jamar and his family.

But, that is still plausible in my little world of imagining what AAU handler types are like.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 19, 2012, 11:43:52 PM
WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Granted, I don't read every message in this thread, but were there people saying that Jamar shouldn't have associated with Malone?  I mean, I get why Jamar did what he did, and I'm not even angry about it, even though my opinion doesn't matter at all.  I'm sure Jamar thought everything was on the up and up because of all of the reasons you listed.

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Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

You got on me earlier in this thread for saying we ("we" being the KSU AD) might have been a little overly conservative because it was Curtis Malone and the Mike/Fatima/Bell situation is still hanging out there.  Again, I didn't read every thread out there, so I don't know if you're talking to me, but Jamar has the right to reach out to who he wants to reach out to for whatever reason.  But he reached out to a person that the AD probably sees as radioactive right now, and even though CC pretty much said that it being Malone didn't really make a difference, I wonder if they still would have held him out simply because of that reason.

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It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

I have no doubt the relationship was harmless, and I don't think most people who think the NCAA is essentially abusive of the student athlete (in this regard) question the sincerity of said relationship.  I harbor no ill will towards Jamar or Malone here, and honestly, all I ask is that we just leave well enough alone at this point and put this behind us because, as you said, this probably wasn't the first time Malone gave Jamar some money, and if he's this willing to give a little to a DC Assault guy with no NBA future, you never know if he gave to Wally, Rodney, Dom, etc.  And I honestly don't want anyone asking those questions because we're probably going to get hit by the NCAA if we find out the answer.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2012, 11:48:55 PM
Why is the Malone quote so ridiculous?  Do you think this was the only western union he sent Jamar?

No, not at all. I just think its ridiculous that he would say it (along with the rest of the stuff he said). And that's why Currie is scared to death of him.

Okay, I just see it as him being genuine.  Even if it is believed that Malone is a total scum of the earth assbag, assbag scum have moments of sincerity.  If I gave you $200 in front of a cop with good intentions and it turned out you were a drug trafficker, I would ask the cop why would I buy drugs where you could see me?

IMO Malone's stance is legit.  If he's a legit bad guy who should be avoided I would think he would be more careful when sending $200 to a 6'7" black kid in a town of 50,000 white people.  No matter what anyone thinks of Malone, he didn't get where he is by being sloppy or stupid.

I don't think he has any bad intentions in helping Jamar, but I would think he knows that this could cause NCAA issues. When Meek called just say "no comment".
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
PJ, I wasn't talking to you unless you think Jamar should have been cut off from a man he's knows since he was 11 because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 19, 2012, 11:53:03 PM
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 11:53:58 PM
Curtis Malone and people in his world don't give a wholly damn about the NCAA.  "I got you" means everything "impermissible benefits" doesn't mean a thing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 19, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
i just think it's nice that he gives money to samuels.  maybe there's some weird angle that makes it all exploitative, but i don't know what the hell that angle could be.

He'd have to have BOTH a hatred of Frank AND a sociopathic disregard for Jamar and his family.

But, that is still plausible in my little world of imagining what AAU handler types are like.

Beems played AAu, right? He can probably shed a little light about his handler and what they are like.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2012, 11:57:22 PM
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.

Neither have been excommunicated, I have saw both of them at multiple basketball games this past season, although neither are nearly as gregarious as they used to be.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OregonSmock on March 20, 2012, 12:04:21 AM
I feel your pain, EMAW.  I really do.  This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense.  What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend?  What possible reason is there for such a rule?  I just don't understand it.  A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games.  The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200.  It's complete and utter BS.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Panjandrum on March 20, 2012, 12:05:41 AM
PJ, I wasn't talking to you unless you think Jamar should have been cut off from a man he's knows since he was 11 because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell.

Absolutely not.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: p1k3 on March 20, 2012, 12:10:38 AM
I feel your pain, EMAW.  I really do.  This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense.  What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend?  What possible reason is there for such a rule?  I just don't understand it.  A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games.  The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200.  It's complete and utter BS.

Its like the NCAA is ran by a dozen Mitt Romneys
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Bloodfart on March 20, 2012, 12:25:46 AM
I think they should bring in this guy.  He seems to know his way around the mumbo jumbo NCAA regulations.  :dunno:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4stBaapk_g&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jtksu on March 20, 2012, 02:38:20 AM
Well, I feel pretty damn validated.  Turns out I was right and :once again, Dax shot his load all over himself.  :cool:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 20, 2012, 06:53:25 AM
I feel your pain, EMAW.  I really do.  This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense.  What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend?  What possible reason is there for such a rule?  I just don't understand it.  A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games.  The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200.  It's complete and utter BS.

Malone didn't graduate from ksu dumbass
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: dirk diggler on March 20, 2012, 08:06:29 AM
I would be willing to bet that if we ever find out who the snitch was it will be a top poster on gpc.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 08:15:28 AM
confused about what answers currie needs to have.  the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.

jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right.  end of story.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2012, 08:39:00 AM
honestly, though, apart from samuels and kstate, what kind of a nosy busybody reports something like this?  i can't even come close to imagining the mentality of this person.  who are you?  the stasi?  mind your own rough ridin' business. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: econocat on March 20, 2012, 08:44:39 AM
Is Pete" real name Bob Lutz?


http://www.kansas.com/2012/03/19/2262765/kansas-state-needs-to-answer-tough.html
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 20, 2012, 08:50:02 AM
honestly, though, apart from samuels and kstate, what kind of a nosy busybody reports something like this?  i can't even come close to imagining the mentality of this person.  who are you?  the stasi?  mind your own rough ridin' business.

yeah that's really the most puzzling part about this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
honestly, though, apart from samuels and kstate, what kind of a nosy busybody reports something like this?  i can't even come close to imagining the mentality of this person.  who are you?  the stasi?  mind your own rough ridin' business.

yeah that's really the most puzzling part about this.

There are a LOT of people who love nothing more than to make sure everyone else is playing by the rules (as they believe them to be).
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2012, 09:38:43 AM
Well, I feel pretty damn validated.  Turns out I was right and :once again, Dax shot his load all over himself.  :cool:

Specifically what were you "Right" about jttuck?

Claiming you were "right" in this situation is like saying water is wet.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 20, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
I feel your pain, EMAW.  I really do.  This is why some NCAA rules just don't make sense.  What good does it do to suspend a kid in his last ever college game because he accepted $200 from a family friend?  What possible reason is there for such a rule?  I just don't understand it.  A similar situation happened to Darnell Jackson several years ago and he was suspended for nine games.  The NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off of these athletes, and then they throw the red flag when a guy accepts a check for $200.  It's complete and utter BS.

Malone didn't graduate from ksu dumbass

And Jamar has no pro prospects
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SwiftCat on March 20, 2012, 10:31:49 AM
I missed the last few days (on vacation :gocho: ) but I just wanted to convey my thanks to captaincrap. I definitely appreciate the information and you having the patience to answer the questions asked of you.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 20, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
confused about what answers currie needs to have.  the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.

jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right.  end of story.

except we've heard all this from local media. The AD hasn't said anything since before the game on Saturday. Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EllToPay on March 20, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
All I want to know is who reported this, don't care about anything else.

I'll take a guess: the blonde haired checkout guy at Dara's circa 2005-2007. :dubious:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Winters on March 20, 2012, 12:28:44 PM
Trim, I want to see you do a :dnr: dance to John.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 12:30:45 PM
Trim, I want to see you do a :dnr: dance to John.

He'd have to say something finally to give me the opportunity.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
confused about what answers currie needs to have.  the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.

jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right.  end of story.

except we've heard all this from local media. The AD hasn't said anything since before the game on Saturday. Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.
and my response to that is, so what?  nothing changes.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 12:36:53 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
WE DEMAND THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES WITH REGARD TO THE MATTER OF WHY THEY ARE NOT CHEATING THEIR ASSES OFF!

i mean, that's sort of how i take this thread.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 12:40:49 PM
WE DEMAND THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES WITH REGARD TO THE MATTER OF WHY THEY ARE NOT CHEATING THEIR ASSES OFF!

i mean, that's sort of how i take this thread.

ya, that's a great summary to what i've read here.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 20, 2012, 12:48:45 PM
confused about what answers currie needs to have.  the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.

jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right.  end of story.

Frank's hand was forced, he didn't do what he thought was right, he did what saved his job. He wanted to play Jamar.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
confused about what answers currie needs to have.  the situation seems pretty straight forward to me.

jamar did what he thought was right, currie did what he thought was right, and frank did what he thought was right.  end of story.

Frank's hand was forced, he didn't do what he thought was right, he did what saved his job. He wanted to play Jamar.

frank didn't have a choice with who he was going to play, JC took care of that decision for frank.  frank did what he thought was right by sticking by his player and throwing his boss under the bus.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 20, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!

 :dubious:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 01:16:49 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!

 :dubious:

Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!

 :dubious:

Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.

when did he blame his boss?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 20, 2012, 01:36:30 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!

 :dubious:

Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.

He's mad he has to put up with a goodie two shoes AD and Compliance.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Gooch on March 20, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.
I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 01:41:29 PM
when did he blame his boss?


Quote from:  Frank
He's, in my opinion, done nothing wrong. Please don't ask me any questions on it 'cause I had nothing to do with the decision.  Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.

Ownership! Being a man!  :ksu:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
when did he blame his boss?


Quote from:  Frank
He's, in my opinion, done nothing wrong. Please don't ask me any questions on it 'cause I had nothing to do with the decision.  Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.

Ownership! Being a man!  :ksu:

Are you advocating that he lie?  Unless something changed like last week, compliance and the NCAA don't consult coaches for help when they assess punishment.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 01:58:21 PM
when did he blame his boss?


Quote from:  Frank
He's, in my opinion, done nothing wrong. Please don't ask me any questions on it 'cause I had nothing to do with the decision.  Any questions pertaining to this matter, please direct to John Currie, my boss.

Ownership! Being a man!  :ksu:

Are you advocating that he lie?  Unless something changed like last week, compliance and the NCAA don't consult coaches for help when they assess punishment.

So why send all questions to Currie?* Currie had as much to do with the decision as Frank.

*It's because Frank does not want to take any ownership.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 02:01:42 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
yes def pussed out.  he's very emo and many of us would react the same way.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 20, 2012, 02:07:29 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??

Would like to see them in a fight to the death. Winner stays.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 02:12:09 PM
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.
I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.

I don't think we heckled Krause. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2012, 02:12:37 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.

Or he could legitimately have odds with Currie over this :dunno:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 20, 2012, 02:15:01 PM
Krause had the right idea in terms of how to do things (under the table, back room negotiations, etc.), it's just that the entity in which he decided to support in these dealings (Ron Prince) was incomprehensibly stupid.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 02:16:16 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.

Or he could legitimately have odds with Currie over this :dunno:

Then either:

A) Be a man and come out and say it.
B) Be a man and handle your personal beef internally.

He chose the pussified middle ground instead.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2012, 02:20:54 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

Yeah, he really should have said it's an NCAA decision and to direct questions to them rather than Currie. Either way, he pussed out.

Or he could legitimately have odds with Currie over this :dunno:

Then either:

A) Be a man and come out and say it.
B) Be a man and handle your personal beef internally.

He chose the pussified middle ground instead.

There's nothing manly about A, unless you equate manliness with stupidity. 

You have a problem on how Frank, in the heat of the moment, emotionally chose to say no no comment.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Gooch on March 20, 2012, 02:26:01 PM
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.
I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.

I don't think we heckled Krause. 
Yes this was enjoyed very much by Jmart. Don't you remember that glorious leather jacket he had. :love:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 02:32:43 PM
There's nothing manly about A, unless you equate manliness with stupidity. 

You have a problem on how Frank, in the heat of the moment, emotionally chose to say no no comment.

Well we have a 36 goddam page thread bitching about how Currie chose to say no comment so I don't have a problem calling out the face of the Men's Basketball program for the same thing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 20, 2012, 02:35:55 PM
There's nothing manly about A, unless you equate manliness with stupidity. 

You have a problem on how Frank, in the heat of the moment, emotionally chose to say no no comment.

Well we have a 36 goddam page thread bitching about how Currie chose to say no comment so I don't have a problem calling out the face of the Men's Basketball program for the same thing.

To be fair, the long thread is probably because we're not ready to start Combo Fanning yet...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wes mantooth on March 20, 2012, 02:38:01 PM
will someone pm me if currie ever has some rough ridin' answers?  this thread is incredibly lame.  thanks
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 02:49:07 PM
Someone needs to find the snitch so we can excommunicate them from emaw like Krause and Wefald.
I don't know. Pretty sure it would get really ugly when myself and a drunk Wichita Pak'r contingent ran into him/her at Intrust Bank Arena. I mean Bob got off lucky. All we did to him was heckeling him that we had better seats. I see this eff and I will want blood.

I don't think we heckled Krause. 
Yes this was enjoyed very much by Jmart. Don't you remember that glorious leather jacket he had. :love:

No, I mean I thought I was pretty nice to BK.  I don't recall heckling him or mocking his jacket or anything.

I mean, I guess kind of heckling him by sarcastically shouting to him that it should be him out there instead of Currie and to not be disrespected  by Currie, but from BK's perspective that should've come off good, right?  So that's not heckling.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 20, 2012, 03:36:25 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??

Would like to see them in a fight to the death. Winner stays.

The Athletic Department is the institution in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Currie is the nurse. Frank is McMurphy.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2012, 03:43:21 PM
People, people, people . . . take a step back and think about a world, a world where K-State doesn't say a damn thing.

Does this thread exist?  No

Are we fighting amongst ourselves?  No

Are we feeling bad for Jamar and Frank because of this situation?  No

That's 3 solid No's  . . . you just can't argue with that, don't even try.



Title: Re: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 03:45:41 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??

Would like to see them in a fight to the death. Winner stays.

The Athletic Department is the institution in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Currie is the nurse. Frank is McMurphy.

This is Annie and Currie is Carol Burnett and Frank is little orphan Annie.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 20, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
I'm sick of these analogies with no photo-shop involved
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 04:18:50 PM
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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 20, 2012, 04:19:38 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 20, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
People, people, people . . . take a step back and think about a world, a world where K-State doesn't say a damn thing.

Does this thread exist?  No

Are we fighting amongst ourselves?  No

Are we feeling bad for Jamar and Frank because of this situation?  No

That's 3 solid No's  . . . you just can't argue with that, don't even try.

fuckin a, dax, fuckin a
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: OldCat on March 20, 2012, 04:53:11 PM


The Athletic Department is the institution in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Currie is the nurse. Frank is McMurphy.
[/quote]

Wow, I haven't seen a Frank Murphy thread for some time.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
frank doesn't need to take ownership IMO, but he shouldn't act like this was Currie's fault either.  grow the eff up and see the big picture.

The big picture is Frank goes to a school where he is in charge and doesn't have to put up with this bullshit. Frank throwing Currie under the bus is just evidence that their relationship is torn and won't be repaired. In Currie vs Frank... Currie wins, sadly. Does Currie pull this crap with Synder??


"this" isn't bullshit, FWIW.  currie did exactly what he was supposed to do.  frank overreacted. 

then, this board followed frank's lead and did the same thing.  and here we are 37 pages later.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-von on March 20, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
currie did exactly what he was supposed to do.

Probably did, but that isn't the issue.  The issue is whether we can keep improving with an administration that does everything they are supposed to do in regards to NCAA rules instead of only doing what is absolutely necessary.  It would be nice, but there are a lot of people that are pretty confident we can't, myself included.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 06:14:39 PM
Jalen Rose thinks Jam should've played, FWIW.  He gives the people what they want.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 20, 2012, 06:24:54 PM
Does being a member of the fab five improve or harm his compliance know how?
Title: Re: You better have some * answers, Currie.
Post by: PoetWarrior on March 20, 2012, 06:32:08 PM
People, people, people . . . take a step back and think about a world, a world where K-State doesn't say a damn thing.

Does this thread exist?  No

Are we fighting amongst ourselves?  No

Are we feeling bad for Jamar and Frank because of this situation?  No

That's 3 solid No's  . . . you just can't argue with that, don't even try.

You're dumb.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2012, 06:34:27 PM
Ultimately the question is could Samuels have played with little more than a slap on the wrist (at worst) to our program?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2012, 06:38:56 PM
Compliance expert Jacob Pullen's thoughts via twitter:

Quote
8m Jacob Pullen Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0

Still thinking about how the NCAA did my bro JamSam and the crazy part is so much stuff happens at other schools and they sweep it under the

Quote
7m Jacob Pullen Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0

Table and nobody does anything schools are paying for kids and breaking rules leaving conferences for money and Jam can't play his last game

Quote
Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0

Because of 200 hundred dollars u can't tell me that's not bullshit but it doesn't bother them he didn't play his last game of his career smh

Quote
Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0
Basketball is a game but it is a game that can change a life no matter fan or player but to the NCAA it's a business and we are replaceable
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wabash909 on March 20, 2012, 06:41:25 PM
Compliance expert Jacob Pullen's thoughts via twitter:

Quote
8m Jacob Pullen Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0

Still thinking about how the NCAA did my bro JamSam and the crazy part is so much stuff happens at other schools and they sweep it under the

Quote
7m Jacob Pullen Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0

Table and nobody does anything schools are paying for kids and breaking rules leaving conferences for money and Jam can't play his last game

Quote
Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0

Because of 200 hundred dollars u can't tell me that's not bullshit but it doesn't bother them he didn't play his last game of his career smh

Quote
Jacob Pullen ? @Jpullz0
Basketball is a game but it is a game that can change a life no matter fan or player but to the NCAA it's a business and we are replaceable

Well said, Jake.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 20, 2012, 07:36:40 PM

Quote
The Athletic Department is the institution in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Currie is the nurse. Frank is McMurphy.

Wow, I haven't seen a Frank Murphy thread for some time.

How has this very solid first post gone unnoticed?  Nice work.   :thumbs:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 20, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!

 :dubious:

Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.

My :dubious: was in reference to your "under the bus" comment.  I thought you were weighing in on the "under the bus" argument that we were having earlier in the thread.

I agree with you though. Frank could've taken the high road and at least given the impression that he supported Currie...especially given CC's take on the matter (which I believe) that there was really no other choice.  Given the facts that we now have (thanks to CC) Frank's comments paint him as whiny and bitter.  I feel like I don't really have a dog in this fight because I like Frank and I like Currie and I want them both to stay. I do know from talking about this subject at length with a mutual friend of theirs that there is a rift in that relationship, and Frank's comments and the way he dealt with questions about Jamar lead me to believe he is at least partly to blame for the two of them not getting along.  He definitely could've handled that better.  I do kind of give him a pass though given the emotions he was probably feeling in that post-game presser.

I do find it curious that everyone is so quick to take Frank's side and paint Currie as the villain.  Currie has done some great things since he's been here, yet everyone wants to hate on him for interviewing for other jobs.  Meanwhile, you're all swinging on Frank's nuts whilst he openly lobbies for an interview for the Miami job.  I mean whatever I guess...it's just weird.

FWIW, and not that you care, but you've been nails in this thread, Rusty.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 20, 2012, 09:01:56 PM
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 20, 2012, 09:08:35 PM
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.

lets hang a banner
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 09:10:17 PM
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.

I totally agree, Frank is the true leader and face of the basketball program. Which is exactly why he should have put on the big boy pants and answered questions about Jamar instead of directing them to the irrelevant fundraiser.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
Rams, you're not allowed to be my spokesperson.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 20, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
Wins are more important than renovations. Frank gives us wins. I'm very, very happy for the things Currie has done, but there are a lot of AD's who can do those. There are far less coaches who can go to the round of 32 three years in a row. In fact, there's about 8.

lets hang a banner

:lol:

kim carnes outs himself as a squawk. Hey kim, we don't hang banners, we paint the OOD walls! :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 20, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
Hey guys, I think since Rams, Trim and Dax are all best buds, we should think of a great nickname for them. What about "the three amigos"? Or something more simple, like "the trio"? I don't know, I'm open to suggestions.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Also, Frank instructed everyone to direct questions at JC, but at this point JC hasn't answered any of those questions.

Frank did a nice job throwing his boss under the buss here. (I love that phrase!)

Way to be a man, Frank!

 :dubious:

Hey, he could have been a man and say, "I don't agree with the NCAA's interpretation of the rule, but agree that we had to report it. I'm absolutely sick for Jamar and feel he did nothing wrong." But no, he pussed out and just blamed his boss. What a hypocrite.

My :dubious: was in reference to your "under the bus" comment.  I thought you were weighing in on the Dax/Rams/Trim argument from earlier in the thread.

I agree with you though. Frank could've taken the high road and at least given the impression that he supported Currie...especially given CC's take on the matter (which I believe) that there was really no other choice.  Given the facts that we now have (thanks to CC) Frank's comments paint him as whiny and bitter.  I feel like I don't really have a dog in this fight because I like Frank and I like Currie and I want them both to stay. I do know from talking about this subject at length with a mutual friend of theirs that there is a rift in that relationship, and Frank's comments and the way he dealt with questions about Jamar lead me to believe he is at least partly to blame for the two of them not getting along.  He definitely could've handled that better.  I do kind of give him a pass though given the emotions he was probably feeling in that post-game presser.

I do find it curious that everyone is so quick to take Frank's side and paint Currie as the villain.  Currie has done some great things since he's been here, yet everyone wants to hate on him for interviewing for other jobs.  Meanwhile, you're all swinging on Frank's nuts whilst he openly lobbies for an interview for the Miami job.  I mean whatever I guess...it's just weird.

FWIW, and not that you care, but you've been nails in this thread, Rusty.

point by point...

yes frank could have acted differently and acted like he supported currie. he could also have acted like he loved and supported a player that gave four hard, hard years to him and had all of those years taken from him at the last second.

much thanks to cc with some bits and pieces but he's no different from anybody here and types with a bias. there was quite a bit of opinion sprinkled in as well imo and not enough fact/timeline for me to really be sure about what i think. take it all with a grain of salt.

i don't think frank's comments make him sound whiny and bitter at all. weird that you do.

it's possible to like frank and currie and not like everything about each of them and openly talk about what you don't like. currie handled this and the aftermath poorly imo. it's ok to say that.

did you really have to talk to a "mutual friend" to decide there was a "rift". lol.

of course frank is partly to blame.

i thought frank handled it fine.

why would people not take frank's side. we at least know his. currie has not given his or even spoke about the situation. if he can't speak about then he should say so. everybody is just speculating and him putting his head in the sand doesn't help. i mean jesus christ. it seems like your whole opinion on the subject is based on what "captain crap" said on the goEMAW.com message board. again, i love cc but how rough ridin' weird of you is that? i mean jesus.

he has done some great things. not everybody hates him for interviewing other places. i'd say most don't. i don't.

why wouldn't we swing from frank's nuts? he's taken us to the tournament four out of five years with an elite 8 appearance. that's not weird. we are kansas state fans and i'm assuming most of us would rather win games then lose them.

yes. rusty has been great. i disagree w/ a lot of what he is saying but he's great. just an fyi though...if the whole thread was reversed then what he typed also would've been reversed. he's a contrarian. it's what he does and he's amazing at it.





Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 20, 2012, 09:39:34 PM
Hey guys, I think since Rams, Trim and Dax are all best buds, we should think of a great nickname for them. What about "the three amigos"? Or something more simple, like "the trio"? I don't know, I'm open to suggestions.

the "Menage a trois"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 20, 2012, 09:40:08 PM
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TY Rusty.  Your analogy wins until daris puts together a rap masterpiece
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
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TY Rusty.  Your analogy wins until daris puts together a rap masterpiece

it would probably involve Malone hanging currie upside down over a hotel room balcony.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 09:47:15 PM
Hey guys, I think since Rams, Trim and Dax are all best buds, we should think of a great nickname for them. What about "the three amigos"? Or something more simple, like "the trio"? I don't know, I'm open to suggestions.

the "Menage a trois"

Whatever.  Obviously, Rams' stated position in this thread that Frank is a robot from the future sent to destroy K-State basketball is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and thus I win the argument.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 09:47:53 PM
TY Rusty.  Your analogy wins until daris puts together a rap masterpiece

it would probably involve Malone hanging currie upside down over the balcony of a hotel room.

No, denied.  That's reserved for RP & Scott Frost stories.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 20, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
hey, rusty.  here's how humans play the game of being a human:  you help your friends and you eff your enemies.


you can go back to your nerd table and take that apart and put it back together again until you understand martin and the rest of our species.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 20, 2012, 10:12:17 PM
I went back and edited my post.  It took me a while to figure out what the hell you idiots were talking about.  Maybe it wasn't the best wording, but did you all actually think I was saying that Dax, Trim and me had some sort of master argument that we were championing?  I mean where the eff would that have come from?  Especially you, Trim.  I don't speak for you?  no crap  :facepalm:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2012, 10:13:54 PM
I'm tired of all this, if Currie costs us the first coach to put together five 22 win seasons ever then eff Currie.  A winning basketball coach is goddam hard to find and even harder to keep.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rams on March 20, 2012, 10:28:52 PM

yes frank could have acted differently and acted like he supported currie. he could also have acted like he loved and supported a player that gave four hard, hard years to him and had all of those years taken from him at the last second.

much thanks to cc with some bits and pieces but he's no different from anybody here and types with a bias. there was quite a bit of opinion sprinkled in as well imo and not enough fact/timeline for me to really be sure about what i think. take it all with a grain of salt.

i don't think frank's comments make him sound whiny and bitter at all. weird that you do.

it's possible to like frank and currie and not like everything about each of them and openly talk about what you don't like. currie handled this and the aftermath poorly imo. it's ok to say that.

did you really have to talk to a "mutual friend" to decide there was a "rift". lol.

of course frank is partly to blame.

i thought frank handled it fine.

why would people not take frank's side. we at least know his. currie has not given his or even spoke about the situation. if he can't speak about then he should say so. everybody is just speculating and him putting his head in the sand doesn't help. i mean jesus christ. it seems like your whole opinion on the subject is based on what "captain crap" said on the goEMAW.com message board. again, i love cc but how rough ridin' weird of you is that? i mean jesus.

he has done some great things. not everybody hates him for interviewing other places. i'd say most don't. i don't.

why wouldn't we swing from frank's nuts? he's taken us to the tournament four out of five years with an elite 8 appearance. that's not weird. we are kansas state fans and i'm assuming most of us would rather win games then lose them.

yes. rusty has been great. i disagree w/ a lot of what he is saying but he's great. just an fyi though...if the whole thread was reversed then what he typed also would've been reversed. he's a contrarian. it's what he does and he's amazing at it.

Most of that is your opinion, which differs from mine, which is fine.  IMO we still don't have enough facts for anybody to be taking a hardline stance one way or the other.  I tend to believe CC because he confirmed what I suspected from the beginning. It's really not that weird at all. Just like if he would've confirmed your initial reaction you would've PI'd the eff out of anybody that questioned him.  You know you would. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2012, 10:30:17 PM
words

Stop making strawman arguments.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 10:37:20 PM

yes frank could have acted differently and acted like he supported currie. he could also have acted like he loved and supported a player that gave four hard, hard years to him and had all of those years taken from him at the last second.

much thanks to cc with some bits and pieces but he's no different from anybody here and types with a bias. there was quite a bit of opinion sprinkled in as well imo and not enough fact/timeline for me to really be sure about what i think. take it all with a grain of salt.

i don't think frank's comments make him sound whiny and bitter at all. weird that you do.

it's possible to like frank and currie and not like everything about each of them and openly talk about what you don't like. currie handled this and the aftermath poorly imo. it's ok to say that.

did you really have to talk to a "mutual friend" to decide there was a "rift". lol.

of course frank is partly to blame.

i thought frank handled it fine.

why would people not take frank's side. we at least know his. currie has not given his or even spoke about the situation. if he can't speak about then he should say so. everybody is just speculating and him putting his head in the sand doesn't help. i mean jesus christ. it seems like your whole opinion on the subject is based on what "captain crap" said on the goEMAW.com message board. again, i love cc but how rough ridin' weird of you is that? i mean jesus.

he has done some great things. not everybody hates him for interviewing other places. i'd say most don't. i don't.

why wouldn't we swing from frank's nuts? he's taken us to the tournament four out of five years with an elite 8 appearance. that's not weird. we are kansas state fans and i'm assuming most of us would rather win games then lose them.

yes. rusty has been great. i disagree w/ a lot of what he is saying but he's great. just an fyi though...if the whole thread was reversed then what he typed also would've been reversed. he's a contrarian. it's what he does and he's amazing at it.

Most of that is your opinion, which differs from mine, which is fine.  IMO we still don't have enough facts for anybody to be taking a hardline stance one way or the other.  I tend to believe CC because he confirmed what I suspected from the beginning. It's really not that weird at all. Just like if he would've confirmed your initial reaction you would've PI'd the eff out of anybody that questioned him.  You know you would.

the huge difference is that never in a million years would I have thought that cc would have agreed with anything that I've said in this thread.

but he still did kind of agree in a way with my main point which is and was that currie handled this poorly. It's the one thing that he said we had the right to question. him saying and doing what he did and then maintaining radio silence was wrong imo.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 20, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 10:41:51 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 20, 2012, 10:43:39 PM
i think we are taking martin's side because we are humans.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 10:45:04 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

Currie gave just as insightful a statement as Frank, but everyone chooses to ignore it.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

what part of currie's side hasn't been given?  LOL, you guys are hilarious. 

ncaa:  he's ineligible
currie:  he's ineligible
currie:  are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank:  why did you bench jamar?
frank:  i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW:  :flush:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2012, 10:46:06 PM
And FWIW, I would drive Currie down to the old Kreem Kup and put him on the first greyhound bus out of town if it meant we could keep Frank.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 10:47:03 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

Currie gave just as insightful a statement as Frank, but everyone chooses to ignore it.

frank gave as much as he could. he's not the boss. one voice, etc.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 20, 2012, 11:15:14 PM
And FWIW, I would drive Currie down to the old Kreem Kup and put him on the first greyhound bus out of town if it meant we could keep Frank.

Kreem Kup.  Loved it dearly. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2012, 11:16:22 PM
i think we are taking martin's side because we are humans.

Finally, someone gets it.  It's just like Kony.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j rake on March 20, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
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 :surprised:  :surprised:  :surprised:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on March 20, 2012, 11:21:22 PM
i think we are taking martin's side because we are humans.

Finally, someone gets it.  It's just like Kony.

You took Kony's side?!?! :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2012, 11:31:16 PM
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 :surprised:  :surprised:  :surprised:

Fire Currie for this and only this.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 20, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

what part of currie's side hasn't been given?  LOL, you guys are hilarious. 

ncaa:  he's ineligible
currie:  he's ineligible
currie:  are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank:  why did you bench jamar?
frank:  i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW:  :flush:

oh crap!  when did currie say this? page 28?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 21, 2012, 09:03:17 AM
Taking 200 bucks from a friend isnt cheating as bad as playing thugs that didnt graduate high school.

More importantly, beems shouldnt be allowed to use a fatty quote in his sig.



See what I mean?  Furthermore, is there any evidence that KU plays thugs that didn't graduate high school? 

Last but not least, fatty and I were friends, you white trash piece of sh*t.
its confirmed that Darrel Arthur did not complete the requirements for college admittance. The issue is that KU was able to manipulate the clearing house to get him through and insulate the university from punishment.


No it's not.  He didn't need that math class to graduate high school.  KU is completely in the clear.  You idiots never cease to amaze me.  Keep 'em coming. 


 :popcorn:
wow you're a rough ridin' idiot with low reading comprehension. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 21, 2012, 09:08:37 AM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

what part of currie's side hasn't been given?  LOL, you guys are hilarious. 

ncaa:  he's ineligible
currie:  he's ineligible
currie:  are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank:  why did you bench jamar?
frank:  i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW:  :flush:

oh crap!  when did currie say this? page 28?
I thought as MIR said that if a player is suspended by the NCAA they can't have contact with the team, ie be on the bench, am I wrong here?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2012, 10:24:54 AM
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Has that been posted yet?  Don't care if it has.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 21, 2012, 10:26:21 AM
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Has that been posted yet?  Don't care if it has.

SOLJ
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 21, 2012, 10:52:43 AM
malone played everyone except dodd with the feed his family bullshit.  well done.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

what part of currie's side hasn't been given?  LOL, you guys are hilarious. 

ncaa:  he's ineligible
currie:  he's ineligible
currie:  are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank:  why did you bench jamar?
frank:  i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW:  :flush:

oh crap!  when did currie say this? page 28?
I thought as MIR said that if a player is suspended by the NCAA they can't have contact with the team, ie be on the bench, am I wrong here?

I guess when they call 20 minutes before tip off they can't ban you from the building if you're already there.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 21, 2012, 01:22:07 PM
Agreed, we don't have all the facts. Everyone is taking Frank's side because he appears to be more of the victim here (besides Jamar, of course) and that's fair. In the case that we have to choose between Frank and Currie... This board is probably 80% more likely to keep Frank. Maybe I'm wrong...

most are taking frank's side because he has given his. most are not taking currie's because he has not.

what part of currie's side hasn't been given?  LOL, you guys are hilarious. 

ncaa:  he's ineligible
currie:  he's ineligible
currie:  are you sure he's ineligible?
ncaa: he's ineligible
news people to frank:  why did you bench jamar?
frank:  i don't know, you need to ask the ksu ad
goEMAW:  :flush:

oh crap!  when did currie say this? page 28?
I thought as MIR said that if a player is suspended by the NCAA they can't have contact with the team, ie be on the bench, am I wrong here?

I guess when they call 20 minutes before tip off they can't ban you from the building if you're already there.
Fair enough indeed.  I just figured if the NCAA was waving their disciplinarian finger at their petulant child they would say he couldn't be on the bench. 

Has it been confirmed that he was officially DQed by the NCAA at that his suspension wasn't just a part of the investigation or a protective measure by K-State to avoid NCAA sanctions?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
finally got through this thread.  the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 21, 2012, 01:49:42 PM
finally got through this thread.  the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.

that's easy to say now as an outsider looking at it retrospectively. you weren't there man. the bullets were flying.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2012, 01:55:56 PM
finally got through this thread.  the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.

that's easy to say now as an outsider looking at it retrospectively. you weren't there man. the bullets were flying.

Oh I know.  Travel has saved my ass in that regard more than once. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 21, 2012, 01:59:37 PM
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Has that been posted yet?  Don't care if it has.

SOLJ

This is the best post in this thread.  Great work 8man
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 21, 2012, 02:08:15 PM
finally got through this thread.  the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.

I thought Pete was really good, too.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Belvis Noland on March 21, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
I remember when emaws were melting down about Currie going to Tennessee. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2012, 02:10:50 PM
finally got through this thread.  the best posters in it are chum1 and michigancat.

I thought Pete was really good, too.

pete was definitely great.  lots of good stuff actually.  I love having pete to keep me up to speed when crap like this goes down and I'm away from a computer. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 21, 2012, 02:21:19 PM
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Has that been posted yet?  Don't care if it has.

SOLJ

This is the best post in this thread.  Great work 8man

I'm a little :dubious: about it being the best in the thread, but :cheers: anyway, Fuktard.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 21, 2012, 02:59:32 PM
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166886/more-march-madness-persecution-jamar-samuels

Has that been posted yet?  Don't care if it has.

SOLJ

This is the best post in this thread.  Great work 8man

I'm a little :dubious: about it being the best in the thread, but :cheers: anyway, Fuktard.
granted, the bar was very low, but it made me chuckle a little and then i smiled and kinda stayed smiling for a few minutes even though i had moved on to other, less funny thoughts...then my girlfriend came in and said "what's are you smiling about?" and i didn't even realize i was still smiling....it was nice.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: puniraptor on March 21, 2012, 03:17:11 PM
is your girlfriend eastern european?

What is you are smiling about, baby?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Fuktard on March 21, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
is your girlfriend eastern european?

What is you are smiling about, baby?

she's a fuktard like me.  she don't speak good
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 21, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
is your girlfriend eastern european?

What is you are smiling about, baby?

 :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2012, 07:41:06 PM
Good evening K-State Fans!
 
After the flight home Tuesday from Connecticut with our women’s basketball team I have been back in the office going through the usual accumulation that results from a week on the road!  Before I dig into the next stack, I do want to take a moment to offer my congratulations to both our basketball teams on another terrific season for each.  Not only did both programs reach the 20-win mark again, but K-State was one of only 10 schools in the nation this year to have both its men’s and women’s teams win games in the NCAA tournament.  I am very proud of the hard work of our student-athletes and coaches as we enjoy continued success both on the court and in the classroom.

As many of you are aware, we experienced a very unfortunate off-court issue last weekend involving our basketball student-athlete Jamar Samuels, and I want to take a minute to help our fans understand NCAA rules and processes related to situations like this.

First, as a member institution of the Big 12 Conference and the NCAA, we have an obligation to investigate potential rules violations.  When information is given to us about potential violations we are expected to immediately work to determine if indeed a violation has occurred and, if so, whether the eligibility of a student-athlete is in question.

There are serious repercussions for an institution that knowingly plays a student-athlete who is potentially ineligible.  These potential repercussions include forfeiture of contests, a "major" violation charge, and even charges of unethical conduct and failure to maintain an atmosphere of compliance, as well as institutional probation and other sanctions.

After working throughout Friday night and Saturday morning, and consulting with the NCAA staff, it was determined that a violation had occurred, thus rendering Jamar ineligible to compete.  During the first half we learned that Jamar would not be reinstated.  We would have continued the reinstatement effort had we won the game and proceeded to the next round.

I do appreciate the access and immediate attention that numerous NCAA staff members gave us Friday evening and Saturday.  I wish with all my heart that Jamar could have played Saturday.  I'm grateful for the way our team battled throughout the game, for the passion that Coach Martin has for our student-athletes and for the way Jamar visibly and vocally supported his teammates throughout the game.
 
We were one of 32 schools out of 338 NCAA Division I basketball-playing institutions to make the third round of the men's basketball tournament.  All 338 are expected to abide by the rules of membership.  And, the members can elect any year (and certainly have through the years) to change or modify rules.  However, we can't decide on our own which rules we want to follow and which ones we don't, nor would we want to participate in an organization where members have such latitude.

We'll continue to work towards our vision of a model intercollegiate program at K-State, and our five goals, including winning championships.  We'll do it with integrity and within the rules.  It’s the only way.

I appreciate our tremendous fans and the commitment to excellence of our coaches and student-athletes.
Go Cats!

John Currie
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Post by: slimz on March 21, 2012, 07:42:08 PM
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Post by: "storm"nut on March 21, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
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Di
d John Currie just tell goEMAW to go eff themselves? I THINK HE DID!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wes mantooth on March 21, 2012, 08:09:14 PM
why has no one pm'd me yet that currie has a rough ridin' answer?   :shakesfist:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CHONGS on March 21, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
hey guys why don't we let players play coaches coach posters post and ads add? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: wes mantooth on March 21, 2012, 08:14:28 PM
hey guys why don't we let players play coaches coach posters post and ads add?

truth
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 21, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
AT LEAST PETE GOT THE rough ridin' ANSWERS HE WAS rough ridin' LOOKING FOR.  /THREAD.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 21, 2012, 08:21:42 PM
i feel like such a wishy washy bitch. but i'm starting to understand currie's point of view more than i did before.

it all comes down to eff the townie snitch.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
Yeah, ADJC probably did the right thing . . . still want to cheat more though.


Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 21, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Still think we should've rolled the dice. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: TBL on March 21, 2012, 10:12:02 PM
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However, we can't decide on our own which rules we want to follow and which ones we don't, nor would we want to participate in an organization where members have such latitude.

Guess he doesn't know who the sweet 16 teams are?     :derpderp:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 21, 2012, 10:23:35 PM
Still think we should've rolled the dice.

I still don't think that we had to. oh well. better to be insanely safe then slightly sorry.  :jerk:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j rake on March 21, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
We were one of 32 schools out of 338 NCAA Division I basketball-playing institutions to make the third round of the men's basketball tournament.

 :lol:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jtksu on March 21, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
"3rd Round" sures sounds much better than "2nd Round."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Testy Westy on March 21, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
Man, he says 'student-athlete' a lot
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SuperG on March 22, 2012, 12:23:55 AM
So John Currie slaps together a mass email and you fuckers just slurp that crap up... Every last drop. No chance he'd try to make this email portray himself in a good light... Nothing but the God honest truth from ol' JC ---- Buncha K-Tucks up in here.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: j-von on March 22, 2012, 12:39:55 AM
So John Currie slaps together a mass email and you fuckers just slurp that crap up... Every last drop. No chance he'd try to make this email portray himself in a good light... Nothing but the God honest truth from ol' JC ---- Buncha K-Tucks up in here.

Made me so mad getting on twitter and seeing everybody kissing his ass after the e-mail. 

Holy crap it is easy to appease this fan base.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 22, 2012, 06:58:19 AM
What should have happened:  as soon as ad got the call they ask western union if it is their policy for employees to share that info.  When wu says no, it's over crank call.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 22, 2012, 07:58:03 AM
So John Currie slaps together a mass email and you fuckers just slurp that crap up... Every last drop. No chance he'd try to make this email portray himself in a good light... Nothing but the God honest truth from ol' JC ---- Buncha K-Tucks up in here.

Made me so mad getting on twitter and seeing everybody kissing his ass after the e-mail. 

Holy crap it is easy to appease this fan base.

yeah. really weird. i'm sure he could've handled it differently and jamar could've played and at worst something very minor happens, but you read what he wrote and you'd think that the bball team would've got the death penalty or something. oh well. at least currie's current basketball team won't look shady like his last one did. that's gotta count for something.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2012, 08:24:39 AM
so many of you are so off on this, it's really kind of weird.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 22, 2012, 08:43:50 AM
We were one of 32 schools out of 338 NCAA Division I basketball-playing institutions to make the third round of the men's basketball tournament.

 :lol:

We were one of the 60 teams with a first round bye.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2012, 10:39:36 AM
so many of you are so off on this, it's really kind of weird.

I know, because the leaders are mostly really smart people
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: bigDcat on March 24, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
@Cole_Manbeck: Kansas State has denied an open records request regarding how the NCAA/K-State discovered the suspension of Samuels. The request also (cont)
@Cole_Manbeck: asked for all information on how KSU argued for Samuels to play. Some stuff has to be protected due to privacy, but don't agree w/ this

@Cole_Manbeck: @robcassidy22 We have had every single open records request we've put in (that I can think of) denied by the new administration. Unreal.



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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: unleashthemob on March 24, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
@Cole_Manbeck: Kansas State has denied an open records request regarding how the NCAA/K-State discovered the suspension of Samuels. The request also (cont)
@Cole_Manbeck: asked for all information on how KSU argued for Samuels to play. Some stuff has to be protected due to privacy, but don't agree w/ this

@Cole_Manbeck: @robcassidy22 We have had every single open records request we've put in (that I can think of) denied by the new administration. Unreal.



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This makes currie look as bad as the last two idiot athletic directors. What happened to all the " being. open" bullshit...
rough ridin' hypocrite
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 24, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
What happened to all the " being. open" bullshit...
rough ridin' hypocrite

Jamie Vaughn.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 24, 2012, 01:44:52 PM
man. i pretty much come off looking like an absolute genius in this thread.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 24, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball? 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 24, 2012, 04:26:05 PM
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball?

Not really, because anyone can do it.

I would say it is more like being the guy that wears the gimp suit for some sexy dominatrix that is heavy into punishing balls and taints.  Anyone can do this too, but a true EMAW'er is the gimp that likes it and asks for more then goes about his day and spends time on a message board talking with other gimps and discussing who's balls hurt worse and how awesome that is and who's gimp suit is the most stylish.
Title: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: puniraptor on March 24, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball?

Not really, because anyone can do it.

I would say it is more like being the guy that wears the gimp suit for some sexy dominatrix that is heavy into punishing balls and taints.  Anyone can do this too, but a true EMAW'er is the gimp that likes it and asks for more then goes about his day and spends time on a message board talking with other gimps and discussing who's balls hurt worse and how awesome that is and who's gimp suit is the most stylish.

Wow. Scripture.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 24, 2012, 09:33:21 PM
Is being a KSU fan like winning the BBS'ing Powerball?

Not really, because anyone can do it.

I would say it is more like being the guy that wears the gimp suit for some sexy dominatrix that is heavy into punishing balls and taints.  Anyone can do this too, but a true EMAW'er is the gimp that likes it and asks for more then goes about his day and spends time on a message board talking with other gimps and discussing who's balls hurt worse and how awesome that is and who's gimp suit is the most stylish.

My point was that the constant drama swirling around our AD and programs makes for awesome bbs'ing.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
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CJ writer who would rather keep stirring the pot than listen and believe what the NCAA president had to say.

 :lol:
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Post by: DQ12 on March 25, 2012, 03:14:04 PM
Man, I bet a lot of those GPCr's ask the "what's this mean, who is this guy?" question on a pretty regular basis.
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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: steve dave on March 25, 2012, 03:21:03 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling. 
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 25, 2012, 03:21:18 PM
To be fair, they've hated Meek ever since zeal-gate
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 25, 2012, 03:23:40 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling. 

he's a goddamn squawk SD. A squawk! Why else would he be covering KU for TCJ?!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 25, 2012, 04:08:35 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling.

hating meek is easy.  dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kim carnes on March 25, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling.

hating meek is easy.  dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].

 :thumbs:  he seems like an alright guy
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 25, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling.

hating meek is easy.  dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].

 :thumbs:  he seems like an alright guy

yes. meek is great.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2012, 11:33:51 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling.

hating meek is easy.  dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].

 :thumbs:  he seems like an alright guy

yes. meek is great.

You toss around adjectives too easily.  I also had a really mean joke in the first version of this post, that I didn't post because I was criticizing your lack of restraint and it would seem really wrong to tack on a completely gratuitous, libelous, yet hilarious joke.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: jtksu on March 25, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
Prior to learning about the tweed and elbow patch, I had no problems with Meek.  Now, I say "eff Meek."
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 25, 2012, 11:42:07 PM
they rough ridin' hate austin.  how the eff do you hate austin meek?  it's baffling.

hating meek is easy.  dumbass tweed, elbow patch, no tie wearing [redacted].

 :thumbs:  he seems like an alright guy

yes. meek is great.

You toss around adjectives too easily.  I also had a really mean joke in the first version of this post, that I didn't post because I was criticizing your lack of restraint and it would seem really wrong to tack on a completely gratuitous, libelous, yet hilarious joke.

well now you have to post it. I mean you just have to.

Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
can't.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 25, 2012, 11:57:25 PM
can't.

hmmm. well whatever i guess.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 26, 2012, 12:20:10 AM
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday.  That should be fun.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 26, 2012, 12:22:22 AM
I hope you PI the crap out of him.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 26, 2012, 12:23:49 AM
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday.  That should be fun.

Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 26, 2012, 12:29:22 AM
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday.  That should be fun.

Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
Anyone can attend our meetings. 

Think I'm going to ask how he thinks his time at Tennessee translates to leading a high major, but financially overmatched athletics department in this unforeseen conference realignment, which, unfortunately for schools like Kansas State, focuses so heavily on economics.

Also, why is he such a dumbass re. Frank?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2012, 12:56:28 AM
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday.  That should be fun.

Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?

Anyone can attend our meetings. 

Hmmmm...
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 26, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday.  That should be fun.

Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
Anyone can attend our meetings. 


So, this is what we're doing, right? All of goEMAW in attendance, nooses in hand?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 8manpick on March 26, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
I can just imagine the DU president introducing ADJC to a chorus of boos and angry shouts from a large contingent of DUs and angry goEMAWers.  :love:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: EMAWmeister on March 26, 2012, 11:52:03 AM
I can just imagine the DU president introducing ADJC to a chorus of boos and angry shouts from a large contingent of DUs and angry goEMAWers.  :love:

Largely one in the same
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: 'taterblast on March 26, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
omg if DU is as EMAW as i have heard they are, there needs to be rough ridin' stories.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 06, 2016, 08:35:04 PM
Had a friend in town this weekend and we basically ranted for 48 hours straight about Currie's handling of basketball over the last 4+ years. Made me think of this thread and many others. Since there's so little activity on the basketball board anymore since basically no one cares, let's take a walk down memory lane, shall we?

What ever happened with the DU meeting?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: The Big Train on March 06, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
firebrucewebernow.com
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 06, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
When did people stop hating Currie and start hating oscar instead?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 07, 2016, 12:09:40 AM
It's possible to do both. I am.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 07, 2016, 12:24:05 AM
Mock oscar, hate currie and schulz.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 07, 2016, 12:56:30 AM
Mock oscar, hate currie and schulz.

It is very possible we will go through multiple decades of shitty athletics under Schulz. Must kill the head of the snake.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on March 07, 2016, 12:58:47 AM
Mock oscar, hate currie and schulz.

It is very possible we will go through multiple decades of shitty athletics under Schulz. Must kill the head of the snake.

I agree on the action, but for how to feel in the meantime, my point stands.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cire on March 07, 2016, 06:06:13 AM
I don't recall Schulz being the super sports fan until the Frank press conference where he was sucking up for John Currie


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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: chum1 on March 07, 2016, 08:11:48 AM
The Foster situation also seemed to fall entirely under the oscar hate umbrella in spite of Currie's track record with self policing. Foster had nice things to say about oscar when he left.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 07, 2016, 08:33:49 AM
Mock oscar, hate currie and schulz.

It is very possible we will go through multiple decades of shitty athletics under Schulz. Must kill the head of the snake.

https://youtu.be/CIa6T0hIoWE
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: sys on March 07, 2016, 10:36:33 AM
i still hate currie and don't hate weber.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 07, 2016, 10:39:27 AM
i still hate currie and don't hate weber.
But what if Currie's behavior is just a product of Schulz? What if Schulz's behavior is just a product of his wife? One brave goemawer needs to break this marriage up!
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CNS on March 07, 2016, 11:06:40 AM
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true.  How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play.  I am guessing at least 3, but probably more.  I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.

What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 07, 2016, 11:26:39 AM
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true.  How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play.  I am guessing at least 3, but probably more.  I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.

What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?

Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.

--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response


What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 07, 2016, 11:28:16 AM
Randolph
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Gooch on March 07, 2016, 11:35:20 AM
i still hate currie and don't hate weber.
But what if Currie's behavior is just a product of Schulz? What if Schulz's behavior is just a product of his wife? One brave goemawer needs to break this marriage up!
I'm not jumping on that grenade.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 07, 2016, 11:53:25 AM
Currie is scheduled to make an appearance at DU's chapter meeting on Wednesday.  That should be fun.

Permission to attend as an honorary member if crap goes down by then?
Anyone can attend our meetings. 


So, this is what we're doing, right? All of goEMAW in attendance, nooses in hand?

I don't know much but I know I'm not showing up anywhere with a noose in my hand or any place with a noose within 200 miles.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kslim on March 07, 2016, 01:00:18 PM
Randolph
yeah this is kinda a big one
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ednksu on March 07, 2016, 01:33:19 PM
Randolph
yeah this is kinda a big one
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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: DQ12 on March 07, 2016, 01:36:34 PM
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true.  How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play.  I am guessing at least 3, but probably more.  I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.

What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?

Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.

--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response


What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?
"EMAW"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 07, 2016, 01:49:49 PM
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true.  How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play.  I am guessing at least 3, but probably more.  I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.

What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?

Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.

--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response


What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?

not letting women's hoops players transfer
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: mocat on March 07, 2016, 02:20:38 PM
Randolph
yeah this is kinda a big one

it's filed under "Marcus Foster"
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Yard Dog on March 08, 2016, 11:33:24 AM
Lets say the rumors about the guys that transferred were all true.  How many more games would we have won this year if we just kept them and let them play.  I am guessing at least 3, but probably more.  I would have actually attended roughly infinitely more games, myself.

What did we gain other than sore shoulders from patting ourselves on the back?

Absolutely nothing. Which is the point. We can't get out of our own way.

--Dillard's
--Jamar trash can receipt
--Curtis Kelly eye hernia that was pretty much only saved by hero Pat Bosco
--Marcus Foster
--Starship Enterprise
--Weird court storming response


What else am I missing in the last ~5 years?

not letting women's hoops players transfer

^ The Leti Romero thing was pretty wild and it got us negative media coverage.
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 08, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
clear bag policy
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: That_Guy on March 08, 2016, 12:00:15 PM
jfc...  my college career has been full of Currie eff-ups. :eek: :bang:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: kslim on March 08, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
Randolph
yeah this is kinda a big one

it's filed under "Marcus Foster"
should have a transfers *
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: renocat on January 28, 2017, 07:26:07 PM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article129367264.html
Oscar says here we did not play hard enough today.  I thought.the coach.is responsible to make players play hard.  Westicles says the watch film.and see they have to play better.  He said there is no excuse.  Are these guys not afraid of the Oscar or really don't buy into his lunchmeat?  Curdog is satisfied; no off court embarrassments, but on court ......
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: CatMission on January 28, 2017, 07:42:30 PM
Apparently Oscar's strategy was to get Tennessee to suck today. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/ed1587a988f2eaa283df0c9517dcc4a7.jpg)


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Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on January 28, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
 "They really killed us inside" - oscar

Hey oscar, spoiler alert, we've been dead inside since you got here
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on January 29, 2017, 12:24:09 AM
"They really killed us inside" - oscar

Hey oscar, spoiler alert, we've been dead inside since you got here
I LOLed (inside).
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: Trim on January 29, 2017, 12:49:29 AM
Currie and his washboard abs have some rough ridin' answers for you people.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3SXf-SVUAACHxN.jpg)
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 29, 2017, 02:06:02 PM
:pounds chest:
Title: Re: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.
Post by: renocat on January 29, 2017, 10:48:35 PM
Has anyone heard Oscar ever say he hates to lose.  Ol' BBall Beandog at Church said losing doesn't seem.to bother the players.  To me I don't see fire in the belly or snake killin grit in their eyes consistently.  They were bellied fired and snake killin mad against WVA.  Last 2.........?