Gill fired/KU coach search/Weiss master thread

[sonofdaxjones]

It is a great talking point . . . its like the tide and boats.   K-State forced Basketball Only ku to finally come to grips with their football problem and recognize that football is the be all-end all sport in college athletics.   Fluke ku 2007-2008 forced K-State to try and right the ship, and in usual fashion for ku, following every fleeting moment of goodness in their football program, they quickly fall completely into oblivion . . . back to being the worst football program in the Big 12.  Six conference wins in the past 4 seasons, 2 of which were under Mangino.   K-State 2011, and conference realignment forced ku's hand again.    

 



Lew Perkins hired Turner Gill after we lost out on Harbaugh.  That was a huge mistakes, but I'm not sure how that reflects poorly on KU.  We have been serious about football ever since Mangino was hired.  Also, you're a huge hypocrite if you think that KU hasn't influenced K-State to step up its athletic department.  You guys hired Huggins for one reason - to beat KU.  Last but not least, the '07 season was not a fluke.  KU was good.  KU covered the spread in all but one game that year, and we beat the #3 team in the Orange Bowl.  Like I said, you guys are still butthurt about it and it's been over four years now.

Apparently you can't read, or you choose to read and understand only certain things . . . did I not say that ku forced K-State to re-assess its football program after the Orange Bowl?

ku covering the spread against mediocre to bad, unranked football teams is immaterial to the discussion.   ku only played 1 final Top 25 team during the regular season and lost, and of course the ACC's 2-13 record in BCS Bowl games speaks for itself.   VT only gets the play it does because apparently somebody in ESPN land just loves the Hokies, and the Hokies are always ready, willing and able to move their games to Thursday night and garner decent ratings (relative to Thursday night college football) for ESPN.  

Nobody said ku wasn't good, just awknowledge (for a change) that ku didn't beat anybody to get to the Orange Bowl.



 

[ew2x4]

It's probably because the chinaman shot up the place.

[POWL]

Beems,

lots of Phog talk about vast improvement this year

how will you define it ?

TIA

ps. not a set up, just honest question......

[sonofdaxjones]

They're pretty gigged up about the news that certain players biceps are getting bigger. 

[Dugout DickStone]

They're pretty gigged up about the news that certain players biceps are getting bigger. 

When your team is garbage this is progress.

[wazucat]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

[steve dave]

I wouldn't really be talking recruit smack as a ksu fan

[Dugout DickStone]

I wouldn't really be talking recruit smack as a ksu fan

Gee, thanks, stevebigwillie20dave.

[steve dave]

I wouldn't really be talking recruit smack as a ksu fan

Gee, thanks, stevebigwillie20dave.

you're welcome limestone (< I used your real name like a gentleman)

[kostakio]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

I honestly expected Weis to put together a better class on paper then what he did.  I know he had a short time to put it together but a lot of times a coaches first class is their best.  Prince's first class at KSU was by far his best for example.   The intitial surge from the new hire generally creates a buzz and helps to recruit.  Then you start losing games and that kind of wears off.  Snyder can't recruit but he at least has a history of coaching players up and finding hidden gems to fall back on.  At ND Weis seemed to have a knack for finding all the highly rated turds.   

[MadCat]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

From that list, KU is the only BCS school behind us in the rankings.  Just think...our coaches have been at this for a few years too. 

[_33]

It is so depressing being horrible at recruiting.  You can't win big games recruiting like this.

[Dugout DickStone]

I don't think they count transfers so ku had a better year but it is still pretty crapty.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't think they count transfers so ku had a better year but it is still pretty crapty.

I'm not so sure. Who did KU have grayshirting?

[OregonSmock]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

LOL at Scout.  Rivals is much more in depth when it comes to football recruiting.  Plus KU has three big-time transfers in Cryst, Heaps, and McCay already signed.  There will be more 5th-year transfers from Notre Dame and Florida after the spring semester as well.  I thought Weis did a pretty solid job addressing team needs and picking up some quality Juco prospects.  This is exactly how Snyder and K-State have made a living over the years.

[OregonSmock]

They're pretty gigged up about the news that certain players biceps are getting bigger. 

The strength coach is quite possibly the most important part of any coaching staff outside of the head coach.  This guy from Florida is the real deal. 

[OregonSmock]

Beems,

lots of Phog talk about vast improvement this year

how will you define it ?

TIA

ps. not a set up, just honest question......

Improvement = winning more than 2 games and going better than 0-for in the Big 12.  5-6 wins would be great.  Not getting beat 59-21/63-10/70-14/etc. would be nice as well. 

[_33]

They're pretty gigged up about the news that certain players biceps are getting bigger. 

The strength coach is quite possibly the most important part of any coaching staff outside of the head coach.  This guy from Florida is the real deal. 

Every fan base believes they have an excellent strength coach. In fact, pretty much every fan base believes they have one of the best strength coaches in the country. In reality all strength coaches are exactly the same.

[EllToPay]

This guy from Florida is the real deal. 
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how so?

[OregonSmock]

They're pretty gigged up about the news that certain players biceps are getting bigger. 

The strength coach is quite possibly the most important part of any coaching staff outside of the head coach.  This guy from Florida is the real deal. 

Every fan base believes they have an excellent strength coach. In fact, pretty much every fan base believes they have one of the best strength coaches in the country. In reality all strength coaches are exactly the same.

Not even close to true.  KU's strength coach last year was a fat tub of lard who the players all liked.  KU was out-matched physically in pretty much every game outside of our first two of the season.  You are in denial if you think that every strength coach is the same.

[OregonSmock]

This guy from Florida is the real deal. 

how so?
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His mentor is arguably the best strength coach in the country, and he's a hard ass who is making the player's lives hell.  Example:

Tim Grunhard on new strength coach Scott Holsopple's relationship with players?

If players like their strength coach then he should be fired. You can respect him but you shouldn't like him. I was down there at 7 am doing a workout and I looked over and I am not going to say I feel sorry for the guys because I had seven weeks of training camp with Marty. I feel their pain though. That's the quickest thing you will see a difference in. When they report to training camp you will see a difference in their bodies.

There is a love hate relationship. I don't know if you guys have been in the weight room but there is a Jayhawk seal on the floor and he put ropes around the Jayhawk and said that you don't step on the seal. Anywhere you go such as famous buildings you don't step on the seal and early on they were stepping on the seal and he was making them do 200 pushups. Now nobody steps on the seal. Just little things that so respect your school and respect yourself. There is a logo in their locker room so I think they are nervous about walking across that.

But hey, you guys go ahead and be a bunch of little contrarians.  Anyone who has followed football knows that a strength coach can be a huge asset to a football program.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the difference between KU's last strength coach and the current one.  It's night and day.

[Cartierfor3]

This guy from Florida is the real deal. 

how so?

His mentor is arguably the best strength coach in the country, and he's a hard ass who is making the player's lives hell.  Example:

Tim Grunhard on new strength coach Scott Holsopple's relationship with players?

If players like their strength coach then he should be fired. You can respect him but you shouldn't like him. I was down there at 7 am doing a workout and I looked over and I am not going to say I feel sorry for the guys because I had seven weeks of training camp with Marty. I feel their pain though. That's the quickest thing you will see a difference in. When they report to training camp you will see a difference in their bodies.

There is a love hate relationship. I don't know if you guys have been in the weight room but there is a Jayhawk seal on the floor and he put ropes around the Jayhawk and said that you don't step on the seal. Anywhere you go such as famous buildings you don't step on the seal and early on they were stepping on the seal and he was making them do 200 pushups. Now nobody steps on the seal. Just little things that so respect your school and respect yourself. There is a logo in their locker room so I think they are nervous about walking across that.

But hey, you guys go ahead and be a bunch of little contrarians.  Anyone who has followed football knows that a strength coach can be a huge asset to a football program.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the difference between KU's last strength coach and the current one.  It's night and day.
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Agreed.  Basically impossible to be worse. 

Beems what will be Charlie's record in his best season?

[kostakio]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

LOL at Scout.  Rivals is much more in depth when it comes to football recruiting.  Plus KU has three big-time transfers in Cryst, Heaps, and McCay already signed.  There will be more 5th-year transfers from Notre Dame and Florida after the spring semester as well.  I thought Weis did a pretty solid job addressing team needs and picking up some quality Juco prospects.  This is exactly how Snyder and K-State have made a living over the years.

I assume these kids from Florida and Notre Dame are bench warmers?  How does taking a bunch of one year transfers off the benches of less then stellar teams help you build for the future?  

[Katpappy]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

LOL at Scout.  Rivals is much more in depth when it comes to football recruiting.  Plus KU has three big-time transfers in Cryst, Heaps, and McCay already signed.  There will be more 5th-year transfers from Notre Dame and Florida after the spring semester as well.  I thought Weis did a pretty solid job addressing team needs and picking up some quality Juco prospects.  This is exactly how Snyder and K-State have made a living over the years.

Beems, which team are you most proud of; one that wins with nobodies, or one that losses with somebodies? 

[OregonSmock]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

Hey Beems, the Pirate had about the same time to recruit as Weiss.  And he had to recruit to that "crap hole" Pullman, while Charlie had the Harvard on the Kaw.  What schematic advantage accounts for the WSU 53 rank vs. KU 99th.  Inquiring minds crave to know.

LOL at Scout.  Rivals is much more in depth when it comes to football recruiting.  Plus KU has three big-time transfers in Cryst, Heaps, and McCay already signed.  There will be more 5th-year transfers from Notre Dame and Florida after the spring semester as well.  I thought Weis did a pretty solid job addressing team needs and picking up some quality Juco prospects.  This is exactly how Snyder and K-State have made a living over the years.

I assume these kids from Florida and Notre Dame are bench warmers?  How does taking a bunch of one year transfers off the benches of less then stellar teams help you build for the future?  

Seriously?  It's a win-win situation.  5th year transfers don't take up scholarships for incoming recruits, and they can add depth and potential improvement to an area of need.  Florida and Notre Dame have a ton of talented players.  KU can use all of the talent we can get at this point, and you're in an infinite state of denial if you think K-State is above that kind of thing.