BSFS Expansion Thread

[scottwildcat]

Its just a mockup of out of town scores, do people really think the ribbon board would look like that?

If the ribbon boards are anything more than blank hockey scoreboards, I'll be very surprised.

me too, I think people (myself included) were just making reference to what the renderings were showing.

Stunning that you two actually think that. Scoreboards aren't ribbon boards. Pretty sure that drawing was meant to depict out of town scores without actually putting scores on there. I'm willing to bet the artist  didn't think what was actually put on the ribbon board was going to be subjected to that level of detailed scrutiny. Tim Weiser and Max Urick have been gone for a while, this current athletic department has done nothing for us to think they will cheap out on something like that.

lol I didn't read Dlew's post that closely I thought he was saying he would be surprised if they were hockey boards.

I think we will have real ribbon boards. I was just poking fun in my original post of the topic at the renderings.

[DQ12]

nope.  hockey scoreboards.

[star seed 7]

if the ksu cats got a varsity hockey team, i would flip the eff out.  it would be the only sport i'd attend.

[scottwildcat]

if the ksu cats got a varsity hockey team, i would flip the eff out.  it would be the only sport i'd attend.

lol this is the last sport they would add.

[star seed 7]

if the ksu cats got a varsity hockey team, i would flip the eff out.  it would be the only sport i'd attend.

lol this is the last sport they would add.

way to be a rough ridin' downer mean scott.

[bones129]

If you can build an indoor endless pool for the rowing team, you can figure out a way to bring hockey to KSU.

[mocat]

Its just a mockup of out of town scores, do people really think the ribbon board would look like that?

If the ribbon boards are anything more than blank hockey scoreboards, I'll be very surprised.

me too, I think people (myself included) were just making reference to what the renderings were showing.

Stunning that you two actually think that. Scoreboards aren't ribbon boards. Pretty sure that drawing was meant to depict out of town scores without actually putting scores on there. I'm willing to bet the artist  didn't think what was actually put on the ribbon board was going to be subjected to that level of detailed scrutiny. Tim Weiser and Max Urick have been gone for a while, this current athletic department has done nothing for us to think they will cheap out on something like that.

yeah. it's pretty silly to think that we'll get something that looks like that.

It looks like they purposefully used an old-timey scoreboard image to populate the ribbon area in the rendering. Like, it looks like the scoreboard that hangs in the oldest active Pizza Hut in the world. They probably did this just for fun though. Zero chance that's what the ribbon will look like IRL. Kind of like how you look at my avatar but if you see me IRL you realize "oh ok yeah i get it now, that was just for fun."

[kslim]

I personally believe that we will see it done in small increments...every year or every other year for the next 6-10 years.  One thing I was told by a guy significantly smarter than me is that you pay up front for the stuff that isn't going to earn you a ton of money and you take out loans on the stuff that is going to have a fast ROI.  That's why I think our stadium is going to be improved in this format:

Phase 1-Starting November 2014 the track will be removed, the field will be lowered, the inner bowl will be squared off and additional seating will be dropped in to the location where the track is now...personally hoping for a limestone facade, but maybe that is just me.  It probably increases capacity to slightly more than 55k, but not really a money maker.  This will be paid for via fundraising.

Phase 2-Starting November 2015 renovations to concessions, bathrooms, and concourses as well as the addition of a permanent building on the south side for the Touchdown club...they could add stands there, but I doubt they will.  This will be paid for via fundraising.  Maybe increases capacity to 55,200.  Maybe.  Touchdown Club is a money maker, but not a massive money maker.  I think it brings in about 300k/year for about 80 seats.  With improved amenities, a/c and heat, a lounge, etc. as well as another 100+ seats they could bring in close to 600k annually. 

Phase 3-Starting November 2016 or November 2017 addition of suites and loge seating on the east side of the stadium.  Just as a reference, Okie State has 3 different sized suites with different amenities for each.  They charge 100k/year for each large suite (26 person cap.) and 47k/year for the smallest suites (14 person cap.).  They also have skyboxes that can be rented out per game with a sliding cost scale (7500-15000 for conference games, 5000 for non-con games).  That equates to somewhere in the ballpark of 5.6 mil if they are all sold. 

They also have a total of 99 suites (of various sizes, some earmarked as by game rentals).  They also have club level suites that can be bought as singles (2k donation/ticket and 500/ticket so 2500/seat). There are 3500 club seats.   That is almost 900k annually from the club seats alone.  That totals out somewhere around 6.5 million annually for about 5000 seats.  That is good money. 

If we have an on-field product that is even remotely decent by 2016-2017 those things will pay for themselves in about 12 years...maybe 15.  With that kind of ROI, a bond issue would make sense.

 

[KITNfury]

I personally believe that we will see it done in small increments...every year or every other year for the next 6-10 years.  One thing I was told by a guy significantly smarter than me is that you pay up front for the stuff that isn't going to earn you a ton of money and you take out loans on the stuff that is going to have a fast ROI.  That's why I think our stadium is going to be improved in this format:

Phase 1-Starting November 2014 the track will be removed, the field will be lowered, the inner bowl will be squared off and additional seating will be dropped in to the location where the track is now...personally hoping for a limestone facade, but maybe that is just me.  It probably increases capacity to slightly more than 55k, but not really a money maker.  This will be paid for via fundraising.

Phase 2-Starting November 2015 renovations to concessions, bathrooms, and concourses as well as the addition of a permanent building on the south side for the Touchdown club...they could add stands there, but I doubt they will.  This will be paid for via fundraising.  Maybe increases capacity to 55,200.  Maybe.  Touchdown Club is a money maker, but not a massive money maker.  I think it brings in about 300k/year for about 80 seats.  With improved amenities, a/c and heat, a lounge, etc. as well as another 100+ seats they could bring in close to 600k annually. 

Phase 3-Starting November 2016 or November 2017 addition of suites and loge seating on the east side of the stadium.  Just as a reference, Okie State has 3 different sized suites with different amenities for each.  They charge 100k/year for each large suite (26 person cap.) and 47k/year for the smallest suites (14 person cap.).  They also have skyboxes that can be rented out per game with a sliding cost scale (7500-15000 for conference games, 5000 for non-con games).  That equates to somewhere in the ballpark of 5.6 mil if they are all sold. 

They also have a total of 99 suites (of various sizes, some earmarked as by game rentals).  They also have club level suites that can be bought as singles (2k donation/ticket and 500/ticket so 2500/seat). There are 3500 club seats.   That is almost 900k annually from the club seats alone.  That totals out somewhere around 6.5 million annually for about 5000 seats.  That is good money. 

If we have an on-field product that is even remotely decent by 2016-2017 those things will pay for themselves in about 12 years...maybe 15.  With that kind of ROI, a bond issue would make sense.

 

He wants limestone too. Hmmph

[kslim]

surprisingly enough lawrence has quite a bit of limestone, ours just looks much much better

[GoodForAnother]

they can renovate the hell out of that thing, but we'll still have the Setting.

[MadCat]

they can renovate the hell out of that thing, but we'll still have the Setting.

Bill: "...and the people. By. And. Large."

[meow meow]

where would KU even put club seating?  A million miles away on top of the east side?  I'd probably rather sit in the endzone lazy boys.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

You can't just "lower the field" without changing the sight lines for the lower seats. You'll be looking into the back of the head in front of you.

[ArchE_Cat]

From the Alumni Assoc facebook thingy:

Turf has arrived! (Don't you wish it was going to be PURPLE!?)

[scottwildcat]

I personally believe that we will see it done in small increments...every year or every other year for the next 6-10 years.  One thing I was told by a guy significantly smarter than me is that you pay up front for the stuff that isn't going to earn you a ton of money and you take out loans on the stuff that is going to have a fast ROI.  That's why I think our stadium is going to be improved in this format:

Phase 1-Starting November 2014 the track will be removed, the field will be lowered, the inner bowl will be squared off and additional seating will be dropped in to the location where the track is now...personally hoping for a limestone facade, but maybe that is just me.  It probably increases capacity to slightly more than 55k, but not really a money maker.  This will be paid for via fundraising.

Phase 2-Starting November 2015 renovations to concessions, bathrooms, and concourses as well as the addition of a permanent building on the south side for the Touchdown club...they could add stands there, but I doubt they will.  This will be paid for via fundraising.  Maybe increases capacity to 55,200.  Maybe.  Touchdown Club is a money maker, but not a massive money maker.  I think it brings in about 300k/year for about 80 seats.  With improved amenities, a/c and heat, a lounge, etc. as well as another 100+ seats they could bring in close to 600k annually. 

Phase 3-Starting November 2016 or November 2017 addition of suites and loge seating on the east side of the stadium.  Just as a reference, Okie State has 3 different sized suites with different amenities for each.  They charge 100k/year for each large suite (26 person cap.) and 47k/year for the smallest suites (14 person cap.).  They also have skyboxes that can be rented out per game with a sliding cost scale (7500-15000 for conference games, 5000 for non-con games).  That equates to somewhere in the ballpark of 5.6 mil if they are all sold. 

They also have a total of 99 suites (of various sizes, some earmarked as by game rentals).  They also have club level suites that can be bought as singles (2k donation/ticket and 500/ticket so 2500/seat). There are 3500 club seats.   That is almost 900k annually from the club seats alone.  That totals out somewhere around 6.5 million annually for about 5000 seats.  That is good money. 

If we have an on-field product that is even remotely decent by 2016-2017 those things will pay for themselves in about 12 years...maybe 15.  With that kind of ROI, a bond issue would make sense.

 

Pretty sure there is a Memorial Stadium in Lawrence sucks thread you can post this in

[pissclams]

I personally believe that we will see it done in small increments...every year or every other year for the next 6-10 years.  One thing I was told by a guy significantly smarter than me is that you pay up front for the stuff that isn't going to earn you a ton of money and you take out loans on the stuff that is going to have a fast ROI.  That's why I think our stadium is going to be improved in this format:

Phase 1-Starting November 2014 the track will be removed, the field will be lowered, the inner bowl will be squared off and additional seating will be dropped in to the location where the track is now...personally hoping for a limestone facade, but maybe that is just me.  It probably increases capacity to slightly more than 55k, but not really a money maker.  This will be paid for via fundraising.

Phase 2-Starting November 2015 renovations to concessions, bathrooms, and concourses as well as the addition of a permanent building on the south side for the Touchdown club...they could add stands there, but I doubt they will.  This will be paid for via fundraising.  Maybe increases capacity to 55,200.  Maybe.  Touchdown Club is a money maker, but not a massive money maker.  I think it brings in about 300k/year for about 80 seats.  With improved amenities, a/c and heat, a lounge, etc. as well as another 100+ seats they could bring in close to 600k annually. 

Phase 3-Starting November 2016 or November 2017 addition of suites and loge seating on the east side of the stadium.  Just as a reference, Okie State has 3 different sized suites with different amenities for each.  They charge 100k/year for each large suite (26 person cap.) and 47k/year for the smallest suites (14 person cap.).  They also have skyboxes that can be rented out per game with a sliding cost scale (7500-15000 for conference games, 5000 for non-con games).  That equates to somewhere in the ballpark of 5.6 mil if they are all sold. 

They also have a total of 99 suites (of various sizes, some earmarked as by game rentals).  They also have club level suites that can be bought as singles (2k donation/ticket and 500/ticket so 2500/seat). There are 3500 club seats.   That is almost 900k annually from the club seats alone.  That totals out somewhere around 6.5 million annually for about 5000 seats.  That is good money. 

If we have an on-field product that is even remotely decent by 2016-2017 those things will pay for themselves in about 12 years...maybe 15.  With that kind of ROI, a bond issue would make sense.

 

Pretty sure there is a Memorial Stadium in Lawrence sucks thread you can post this in

agreed

[kslim]

I personally believe that we will see it done in small increments...every year or every other year for the next 6-10 years.  One thing I was told by a guy significantly smarter than me is that you pay up front for the stuff that isn't going to earn you a ton of money and you take out loans on the stuff that is going to have a fast ROI.  That's why I think our stadium is going to be improved in this format:

Phase 1-Starting November 2014 the track will be removed, the field will be lowered, the inner bowl will be squared off and additional seating will be dropped in to the location where the track is now...personally hoping for a limestone facade, but maybe that is just me.  It probably increases capacity to slightly more than 55k, but not really a money maker.  This will be paid for via fundraising.

Phase 2-Starting November 2015 renovations to concessions, bathrooms, and concourses as well as the addition of a permanent building on the south side for the Touchdown club...they could add stands there, but I doubt they will.  This will be paid for via fundraising.  Maybe increases capacity to 55,200.  Maybe.  Touchdown Club is a money maker, but not a massive money maker.  I think it brings in about 300k/year for about 80 seats.  With improved amenities, a/c and heat, a lounge, etc. as well as another 100+ seats they could bring in close to 600k annually. 

Phase 3-Starting November 2016 or November 2017 addition of suites and loge seating on the east side of the stadium.  Just as a reference, Okie State has 3 different sized suites with different amenities for each.  They charge 100k/year for each large suite (26 person cap.) and 47k/year for the smallest suites (14 person cap.).  They also have skyboxes that can be rented out per game with a sliding cost scale (7500-15000 for conference games, 5000 for non-con games).  That equates to somewhere in the ballpark of 5.6 mil if they are all sold. 

They also have a total of 99 suites (of various sizes, some earmarked as by game rentals).  They also have club level suites that can be bought as singles (2k donation/ticket and 500/ticket so 2500/seat). There are 3500 club seats.   That is almost 900k annually from the club seats alone.  That totals out somewhere around 6.5 million annually for about 5000 seats.  That is good money. 

If we have an on-field product that is even remotely decent by 2016-2017 those things will pay for themselves in about 12 years...maybe 15.  With that kind of ROI, a bond issue would make sense.

 

Pretty sure there is a Memorial Stadium in Lawrence sucks thread you can post this in

oh yeah? where is the scottwildcat sucks thread? i would like to post in that

but yeah urite

[scottwildcat]

I personally believe that we will see it done in small increments...every year or every other year for the next 6-10 years.  One thing I was told by a guy significantly smarter than me is that you pay up front for the stuff that isn't going to earn you a ton of money and you take out loans on the stuff that is going to have a fast ROI.  That's why I think our stadium is going to be improved in this format:

Phase 1-Starting November 2014 the track will be removed, the field will be lowered, the inner bowl will be squared off and additional seating will be dropped in to the location where the track is now...personally hoping for a limestone facade, but maybe that is just me.  It probably increases capacity to slightly more than 55k, but not really a money maker.  This will be paid for via fundraising.

Phase 2-Starting November 2015 renovations to concessions, bathrooms, and concourses as well as the addition of a permanent building on the south side for the Touchdown club...they could add stands there, but I doubt they will.  This will be paid for via fundraising.  Maybe increases capacity to 55,200.  Maybe.  Touchdown Club is a money maker, but not a massive money maker.  I think it brings in about 300k/year for about 80 seats.  With improved amenities, a/c and heat, a lounge, etc. as well as another 100+ seats they could bring in close to 600k annually. 

Phase 3-Starting November 2016 or November 2017 addition of suites and loge seating on the east side of the stadium.  Just as a reference, Okie State has 3 different sized suites with different amenities for each.  They charge 100k/year for each large suite (26 person cap.) and 47k/year for the smallest suites (14 person cap.).  They also have skyboxes that can be rented out per game with a sliding cost scale (7500-15000 for conference games, 5000 for non-con games).  That equates to somewhere in the ballpark of 5.6 mil if they are all sold. 

They also have a total of 99 suites (of various sizes, some earmarked as by game rentals).  They also have club level suites that can be bought as singles (2k donation/ticket and 500/ticket so 2500/seat). There are 3500 club seats.   That is almost 900k annually from the club seats alone.  That totals out somewhere around 6.5 million annually for about 5000 seats.  That is good money. 

If we have an on-field product that is even remotely decent by 2016-2017 those things will pay for themselves in about 12 years...maybe 15.  With that kind of ROI, a bond issue would make sense.

 

Pretty sure there is a Memorial Stadium in Lawrence sucks thread you can post this in

oh yeah? where is the scottwildcat sucks thread? i would like to post in that

[Shacks]

From the Alumni Assoc facebook thingy:

Turf has arrived! (Don't you wish it was going to be PURPLE!?)

Purple turf seems like it would be the most Kstate0 thing of all time

[scottwildcat]

i like old stadium, glad it is getting new turf

[bws]

Prez Schulz retweeted this cool aerial pic today. Man that is elite.

[scottwildcat]

Prez Schulz retweeted this cool aerial pic today. Man that is elite.

 

[Shooter Jones]

I hope they do end up doing something similar to this as far as the stands go in the corners and such, with a big time Vanier 2.0 connected of course... but hopefully it'd be way shorter somehow.. I just, I just don't want to take away from the setting, ya know?

[scottwildcat]

I hope they do end up doing something similar to this as far as the stands go in the corners and such, with a big time Vanier 2.0 connected of course... but hopefully it'd be way shorter somehow.. I just, I just don't want to take away from the setting, ya know?