BSFS Expansion Thread

[Bqqkie Pimp]

 Just saw this on  the master plan site:

Phased IV:

Field Perimeter Surface Upgrades
High Definition Sound System
Limestone Field Level Wall
Video & Ribbon Boards

WE"RE GETTING RIBBON BOARDS!!! 

[KITNfury]

CC, does the AD see putting permanent seating in the NE/NW corners at some point or are the terraces planned to be there forever?

Touchdown (the bobcat) Terrace. We need this to happen. Maybe like a little tunnel running between sides so Touchdown can be on both sides. I'm thinking windows behind the seats too. Imagine the epic selfies being photo bombed by a bobcat

As cool as it would be to have one of those terraces turned into a bobcat zoo-like pen, I think it's kind of mumped up to lock up animals unless it's necessary for their own survival. FTR, I eat the hell out of meat, just think prison for animals is kind of messed up even though they are cool to look at.

[WildcatNkilt]

CC, does the AD see putting permanent seating in the NE/NW corners at some point or are the terraces planned to be there forever?

Touchdown (the bobcat) Terrace. We need this to happen. Maybe like a little tunnel running between sides so Touchdown can be on both sides. I'm thinking windows behind the seats too. Imagine the epic selfies being photo bombed by a bobcat

As cool as it would be to have one of those terraces turned into a bobcat zoo-like pen, I think it's kind of mumped up to lock up animals unless it's necessary for their own survival. FTR, I eat the hell out of meat, just think prison for animals is kind of messed up even though they are cool to look at.

I only approve of this if they bring the bobcat in from Sunset Zoo for gamedays.  Non gamedays it gets to enjoy luxury at the zoo eating all the rabbits it wants.

[Shooter Jones]

Since all the numbers are pretty much finalized, has anyone guestimated where this facility puts us nationally? I know Dax said the number could possibly be more than the announced $65 mill, and closer to $80 mill, but I guess that involves partial stadium renovations. But @ $65 million and 132,000 sqf, will it be top 5, 10, 25? I know Oregon's facility is @ $68 million, 145,000 sqf, and it's probably the best in America, if not the history of the whole world.

['taterblast]

not ronald

[SkinnyBenny]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

[Shooter Jones]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

what I don't get, on that overhead view comparison, it shows Vanier 2.0 won't even extend as far north as the current building, yet they said we had to squeeze in the seating at a steep grade.. why the eff couldn't they just move it back some and make the seating angle the same/similar so it wasn't such an issue in the corners? or is that overhead comparo way off?

EDIT: to say, yes, I think you need a tune job on your glasses.

[sunny_cat]

not ronald

 

[Bloodfart]

You guys need to get your eyes checked.  That is clearly Ranni.

[ArchE_Cat]

I'm pretty sure they are just waiting for kstate to announce the very last phase and then they will announce one that's better.

At this point, to keep pace, they'll literally have to tear down and build an entirely new stadium.  Ala Baylor.

I honestly think that's what they need to do, but they won't because their donors simply don't care enough to pony up that kind of cash.

They'll gladly dump money to build a shrine to the rules of basketball, but they're perfectly content playing football in a rotting carcass with RCA TV's hanging out in the concourse.

Do you think they have a room with a stockpile of those TVs in case one burns out?

Shopping primarily on eBay is a nice cost saving measure.

Honest question for structural types, would it be even feasible to enlarge concourse, increase restroom sizes etc when you take into account of modern code? I know pretty much anything is possible with limitless money, but it seems like there is really very little they can do (if they don't want to tear down and rebuild).

Probably best to completely demo anything above the top level of the original seating bowl, make the required changes to the seating bowl (including complete removal of portions of the original seating bowl), then build out and up from there. The curved end of the seating is a nightmare, what do you do with it? If you keep it you shift the field north and demo south ends of the seating bowl. Keeping the exterior of the curved exterior north end as an architectural feature could be really cool. Once that lower seating bowl is corrected, then any concourses can be newly constructed moving out and up to deal with paths of egress. Structurally All the new stuff would need to be independent of the original bowl. So it's not a total tear down, but still very expensive to just to have the modern version of the basics you need. If they do anything with the filed level, like lowering and adding seats closer to the field once the track is gone, the price is going through the roof. I doubt the existing foundation of the seating bowl was constructed to allow for the field to be lowered.

[ydarg2012]

not ronald

How bad do you have to feel to be the guy everyone thinks looks like Ron Ron.

[TheHamburglar]

when K-State announces East and South stadium projects

I like how CC can put this in the middle of a post and no says anything.  At this point the next phase of eliteness is just a given.

[Katpappy]

I'm pretty sure they are just waiting for kstate to announce the very last phase and then they will announce one that's better.

At this point, to keep pace, they'll literally have to tear down and build an entirely new stadium.  Ala Baylor.

I honestly think that's what they need to do, but they won't because their donors simply don't care enough to pony up that kind of cash.

They'll gladly dump money to build a shrine to the rules of basketball, but they're perfectly content playing football in a rotting carcass with RCA TV's hanging out in the concourse.

Do you think they have a room with a stockpile of those TVs in case one burns out?

Yea they do, it's called the dump.

[cfbandyman]

when K-State announces East and South stadium projects

I like how CC can put this in the middle of a post and no says anything.  At this point the next phase of eliteness is just a given.

Exactly, I noticed it, but since JFC has pretty much delivered elitely time and time again it's merely a waiting game, not a surprise.

[ArchE_Cat]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

what I don't get, on that overhead view comparison, it shows Vanier 2.0 won't even extend as far north as the current building, yet they said we had to squeeze in the seating at a steep grade.. why the eff couldn't they just move it back some and make the seating angle the same/similar so it wasn't such an issue in the corners? or is that overhead comparo way off?

EDIT: to say, yes, I think you need a tune job on your glasses.

I find it interesting that we are delaying the completion of the NE corner because of "schedule and possibly funding". Especially since we know that East and South projects are looming. Then there's this little nugget about Snyder always wanting the indoor practice facility closer to Vanier. Now this is just pure speculation, but I would almost bet they are looking into moving the indoor facility to the NE corner of the stadium. This would require a slight re work of the drive leading to the NE tunnel and a portion of the parking on the east side. I can imagine a phase that includes this and improvements to the east side. So imagine standing in the rec playing fields looking west and seeing from left to right, the Bball Practice Facility with the OOD beyond, the east side of BSFS with a new limestone exterior, and then the football indoor.

[ydarg2012]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

what I don't get, on that overhead view comparison, it shows Vanier 2.0 won't even extend as far north as the current building, yet they said we had to squeeze in the seating at a steep grade.. why the eff couldn't they just move it back some and make the seating angle the same/similar so it wasn't such an issue in the corners? or is that overhead comparo way off?

EDIT: to say, yes, I think you need a tune job on your glasses.

I find it interesting that we are delaying the completion of the NE corner because of "schedule and possibly funding". Especially since we know that East and South projects are looming. Then there's this little nugget about Snyder always wanting the indoor practice facility closer to Vanier. Now this is just pure speculation, but I would almost bet they are looking into moving the indoor facility to the NE corner of the stadium. This would require a slight re work of the drive leading to the NE tunnel and a portion of the parking on the east side. I can imagine a phase that includes this and improvements to the east side. So imagine standing in the rec playing fields looking west and seeing from left to right, the Bball Practice Facility with the OOD beyond, the east side of BSFS with a new limestone exterior, and then the football indoor.

[Katpappy]

when K-State announces East and South stadium projects

I like how CC can put this in the middle of a post and no says anything.  At this point the next phase of eliteness is just a given.

Exactly, I noticed it, but since JFC has pretty much delivered elitely time and time again it's merely a waiting game, not a surprise.

OMG, what will happen if we lose our precious John rough ridin' Curry!!!

[Belvis Noland]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

what I don't get, on that overhead view comparison, it shows Vanier 2.0 won't even extend as far north as the current building, yet they said we had to squeeze in the seating at a steep grade.. why the eff couldn't they just move it back some and make the seating angle the same/similar so it wasn't such an issue in the corners? or is that overhead comparo way off?

EDIT: to say, yes, I think you need a tune job on your glasses.

I find it interesting that we are delaying the completion of the NE corner because of "schedule and possibly funding". Especially since we know that East and South projects are looming. Then there's this little nugget about Snyder always wanting the indoor practice facility closer to Vanier. Now this is just pure speculation, but I would almost bet they are looking into moving the indoor facility to the NE corner of the stadium. This would require a slight re work of the drive leading to the NE tunnel and a portion of the parking on the east side. I can imagine a phase that includes this and improvements to the east side. So imagine standing in the rec playing fields looking west and seeing from left to right, the Bball Practice Facility with the OOD beyond, the east side of BSFS with a new limestone exterior, and then the football indoor.

The NE corner has nothing to do with relocating the practice facility.  Dax is correct that the NE corner of the facility is designed to house non-essential parts of the facility, i.e. visiting team locker room expansion, dressing rooms for officials, storage, etc.  Couple this fact with an already strapped budget, construction schedule, and displaced seating on the west side, and you've got your answer.  I hope they are far enough ahead of schedule that they can just knock it all out at once.  But, if the NE corner is delayed until 2016, it won't have anything to do with an eventual relocation of the practice facility. 

[Belvis Noland]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

To have a 360 concourse, the top of the NEZ has to be elevated to meet the height of the existing seating bowl.  This is pretty obvious. 

So, how do you make the tops match up?  Note - there are about 45 rows in the lower seating bowl.  Option 1 would be to use the existing rake for the rest of the bowl and, therefore, you'd have to have about 45 rows of seating.  Essentially, you'd have to mirror the south endzone seat for seat.  This would add ~10,000 seats to the stadium.  If you only want half as many rows (i.e. 15-20 rows), but you still need the tops to match, you obviously have to built a much steeper seating rake.

geometry or something.   

[MadCat]

What if they just put in 1 row for every 2 on the South end?  (leg room!)

[Big Sam]

CC, does the AD see putting permanent seating in the NE/NW corners at some point or are the terraces planned to be there forever?

Touchdown (the bobcat) Terrace. We need this to happen. Maybe like a little tunnel running between sides so Touchdown can be on both sides. I'm thinking windows behind the seats too. Imagine the epic selfies being photo bombed by a bobcat

As cool as it would be to have one of those terraces turned into a bobcat zoo-like pen, I think it's kind of mumped up to lock up animals unless it's necessary for their own survival. FTR, I eat the hell out of meat, just think prison for animals is kind of messed up even though they are cool to look at.

I only approve of this if they bring the bobcat in from Sunset Zoo for gamedays.  Non gamedays it gets to enjoy luxury at the zoo eating all the rabbits it wants.

The would have to drug the ever lovin' bejeebers out of the bobcat to put it there.  They are very solitary critters and would literally die of stress.  Sort of why it is okay to be at the Sunset Zoo.  I don't think anyone actually goes there.

[WildcatNkilt]

CC, does the AD see putting permanent seating in the NE/NW corners at some point or are the terraces planned to be there forever?

Touchdown (the bobcat) Terrace. We need this to happen. Maybe like a little tunnel running between sides so Touchdown can be on both sides. I'm thinking windows behind the seats too. Imagine the epic selfies being photo bombed by a bobcat

As cool as it would be to have one of those terraces turned into a bobcat zoo-like pen, I think it's kind of mumped up to lock up animals unless it's necessary for their own survival. FTR, I eat the hell out of meat, just think prison for animals is kind of messed up even though they are cool to look at.

I only approve of this if they bring the bobcat in from Sunset Zoo for gamedays.  Non gamedays it gets to enjoy luxury at the zoo eating all the rabbits it wants.

The would have to drug the ever lovin' bejeebers out of the bobcat to put it there.  They are very solitary critters and would literally die of stress.  Sort of why it is okay to be at the Sunset Zoo.  I don't think anyone actually goes there.

If they can get a young bobcat they can domesticate it enough for human contact to be ok. 

[ArchE_Cat]

Everyone points to the angle of incline for the NEZ stands as naturally being way steeper than the other stands, thus why we can't have a truly elite wraparound stadium. But does not compute. Right now the NEZ stands appear to rise at a waaay more subtle angle than the SEZ counterparts, which is why Row 15 in the SEZ is way better for seeing than Row 15 of the NEZ, and also why each row in the NEZ has, like, 8 feet of legroom. Is this just an optical illusion or does ol' SB need to get his glasses tuned up or what?

what I don't get, on that overhead view comparison, it shows Vanier 2.0 won't even extend as far north as the current building, yet they said we had to squeeze in the seating at a steep grade.. why the eff couldn't they just move it back some and make the seating angle the same/similar so it wasn't such an issue in the corners? or is that overhead comparo way off?

EDIT: to say, yes, I think you need a tune job on your glasses.

I find it interesting that we are delaying the completion of the NE corner because of "schedule and possibly funding". Especially since we know that East and South projects are looming. Then there's this little nugget about Snyder always wanting the indoor practice facility closer to Vanier. Now this is just pure speculation, but I would almost bet they are looking into moving the indoor facility to the NE corner of the stadium. This would require a slight re work of the drive leading to the NE tunnel and a portion of the parking on the east side. I can imagine a phase that includes this and improvements to the east side. So imagine standing in the rec playing fields looking west and seeing from left to right, the Bball Practice Facility with the OOD beyond, the east side of BSFS with a new limestone exterior, and then the football indoor.

The NE corner has nothing to do with relocating the practice facility.  Dax is correct that the NE corner of the facility is designed to house non-essential parts of the facility, i.e. visiting team locker room expansion, dressing rooms for officials, storage, etc.  Couple this fact with an already strapped budget, construction schedule, and displaced seating on the west side, and you've got you answer.  I hope they are far enough ahead of schedule that they can just knock it all out at once.  But, if the NE corner is delayed until 2016, it won't have anythign to do with an eventual relocation of the practice facility.

Because of site conditions and the required ground work for the NE corner, if they are ever thinking of doing anything on the north end of the east side, they could do site work in preparation for a future structure there.

[Panjandrum]

However, I think Baylor is building theirs in 9 mos., so anything is possible

Lol so wrong taking them almost two years

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLane_Stadium

Yeah, not sure where he got 9 mos.  Our NEZ is going to take 9 months, and that's contemplating double shifts and no northeast corner.

I said "I think" because I didn't take the time or effort to check because, frankly, I don't care.

[joda]

CC, does the AD see putting permanent seating in the NE/NW corners at some point or are the terraces planned to be there forever?

Touchdown (the bobcat) Terrace. We need this to happen. Maybe like a little tunnel running between sides so Touchdown can be on both sides. I'm thinking windows behind the seats too. Imagine the epic selfies being photo bombed by a bobcat

As cool as it would be to have one of those terraces turned into a bobcat zoo-like pen, I think it's kind of mumped up to lock up animals unless it's necessary for their own survival. FTR, I eat the hell out of meat, just think prison for animals is kind of messed up even though they are cool to look at.

I only approve of this if they bring the bobcat in from Sunset Zoo for gamedays.  Non gamedays it gets to enjoy luxury at the zoo eating all the rabbits it wants.

The would have to drug the ever lovin' bejeebers out of the bobcat to put it there.  They are very solitary critters and would literally die of stress.  Sort of why it is okay to be at the Sunset Zoo.  I don't think anyone actually goes there.

What about just a really, really big house cat. Like isn't there some breed that's descended from ancient Egypt cats?