Football Recruiting Thread

["storm"nut]

The class after the title was on of K-State strongest on paper but if you look up and down that list 3/4th of that class was nothing or never showed up. One guy even stole oldballz balls.

[wabash909]

The class after the title was on of K-State strongest on paper but if you look up and down that list 3/4th of that class was nothing or never showed up. One guy even stole oldballz balls.

False.

[Panjandrum]

The class after the title was on of K-State strongest on paper but if you look up and down that list 3/4th of that class was nothing or never showed up. One guy even stole oldballz balls.

False.

Not really.

All things considered, I want highly ranked kids.  Don't get me wrong.  But that 2004 class was atrocious.

[catzacker]

What was the lesson?  (a) don’t go after highly regarded/highly rated recruits because the ones we’ll get won’t get here or they won’t “appreciate” Kansas State, OR (b) don’t focus on highly regarded/highly rated recruits for the aforementioned reasons and just focus on lesser rated kids that “want” to be at KSU?

Because basically, most if not all juco kids fits into (a).  I’m fine w/ (b) for highschool kids (however they need to still be 3*’s).  We NEED jucos, specifically on defense.  So either close the deal on them or this program goes back to banking on the binder of the OL/OC at Virginia.  Because quite frankly, I’m not sure that we’ve been doing a good job with the highschoolers in category (b).

[Cire]

Having MJM go to KU is one thing, but if Combs goes as well, then we just rinsed and repeated from the last time we won the championship.  Snyder learned nothing.  The decilne will then begin next year.

Not sure you understand what Snyder learned after that class. Lets just say Snyder is recruiting more heart than stars.

It’s going to end the same.  It’s sad.  He could have changed for the better and chose not to.  If they don’t hit on their jucos, we only win 5 games next year and 4-5 the next year.  People tend to forget how incredibly awful the ’04 and ’05 big 12north was and we were at the bottom of that division.

Herein lies the problem with DITR recruiting and not promising studs pt.  when you recruit marginal football players and are recruiting bodies that you are going to mold into your system, you can't get by on athleticism. 

Our 04/05 teams were bad because we had zero athletes. 

["storm"nut]

The class after the title was on of K-State strongest on paper but if you look up and down that list 3/4th of that class was nothing or never showed up. One guy even stole oldballz balls.

False.

Matt Boss   OL   4 stars
Tearrius George   DT   4 stars
Nick Patton   QB   4 stars
Maurice Porter   DB   4 stars
Kyle Williams   DB   4 stars
Aaron Darks   LB   3 stars
Allan Evridge   QB   3 stars
Yamon Figurs   WR   3 stars
Parrish Fisher   RB   3 stars
John Hafferty   OL   3 stars
Caleb Handy   OL   3 stars
Walter Hudson   DB   3 stars
Bret Jones   DB   3 stars
Jesse Martinez   ATH   3 stars
Gerard Spexarth   OL   3 stars
Cedric Wilson   ATH   3 stars
Brett Alstatt   RB   2 stars
Jordan Bedore   ATH   2 stars
Justin D'Arcy   OL   2 stars
Surrell Davis   DB   2 stars
Vladimir Faustin   DE   2 stars
Lester Graham   LB   2 stars
Romunn Grigsby   WR   2 stars
Jared Parker   K   2 stars
Brad Rooker   OL   2 stars
Ryan Schmidt   OL   2 stars

04 class, look at all those 4 stars (For a K-State class anyway) Williams and George are the only ones that even saw any kind of playing time. Again Scraps that K-State went after.

[troubledscribe]

if it comes out this week that gundy leaves OSU, do we have a chance with any of their recruits ?

['taterblast]

if it comes out this week that gundy leaves OSU, do we have a chance with any of their recruits ?

OSU will hire some stud and it will be like Gundy never left

[Cire]

The class after the title was on of K-State strongest on paper but if you look up and down that list 3/4th of that class was nothing or never showed up. One guy even stole oldballz balls.

False.

Matt Boss   OL   4 stars   Princed
Tearrius George   DT   4 stars   solid
Nick Patton   QB   4 stars         :(:
Maurice Porter   DB   4 stars        pfft
Kyle Williams   DB   4 stars       Solid
Aaron Darks   LB   3 stars      raped people?
Allan Evridge   QB   3 stars       backup
Yamon Figurs   WR   3 stars       stud
Parrish Fisher   RB   3 stars        left program?
John Hafferty   OL   3 stars      servicable
Caleb Handy   OL   3 stars    backup?
Walter Hudson   DB   3 stars    pfft
Bret Jones   DB   3 stars   pfft
Jesse Martinez   ATH   3 stars   pfft
Gerard Spexarth   OL   3 stars  servicable
Cedric Wilson   ATH   3 stars was this the WR?
Brett Alstatt   RB   2 stars backup
Jordan Bedore   ATH   2 stars  solid
Justin D'Arcy   OL   2 stars   ?
Surrell Davis   DB   2 stars  "arrested?"
Vladimir Faustin   DE   2 stars  "Backup"
Lester Graham   LB   2 stars "arrested?"
Romunn Grigsby   WR   2 stars       James terry II
Jared Parker   K   2 stars         solid
Brad Rooker   OL   2 stars   
Ryan Schmidt   OL   2 stars         Princed, started at usf.

for one class there is plenty that were good enough.  02 class was worse IMO.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

[MadCat]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

Our coaches should be using Ark.State recruits as an example for this year's recruits.

[catzacker]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

we lose our starting LB and ku has all 3 of their returning.  i mean, great job, ksu staff.  great job.

btw, the line to a recruit like MJM isn't "you're going to lose there", the line is "hey, you're a great player, you will probably help them win games there because you are a great player, but you could help us win championships, not just games". 

Cause what Weis is telling him is "they are going to tell you that you're going to lose at ku because they're scared that if you come here, with the recruits we're going to bring in, that you're going to help us beat them, and they know that". 

[Mixed-Nutz]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

Our coaches should be using Ark.State recruits as an example for this year's recruits.

Hopefully MJM isn't brain washed and talking trash all last weekend.

[Panjandrum]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

we lose our starting LB and ku has all 3 of their returning.  i mean, great job, ksu staff.  great job.

btw, the line to a recruit like MJM isn't "you're going to lose there", the line is "hey, you're a great player, you will probably help them win games there because you are a great player, but you could help us win championships, not just games". 

Cause what Weis is telling him is "they are going to tell you that you're going to lose at ku because they're scared that if you come here, with the recruits we're going to bring in, that you're going to help us beat them, and they know that".

I don't think that's what they're saying.  They're telling him they have an NFL staff and that they have NFL contacts and they will get him an NFL contract.

That's what a JUCO guy wants to hear.  He doesn't want to hear about championships.  He wants to hear about PT and a job.  Especially if he wasn't an academic qualifier out of HS.  Because he's either looking at the league or driving a truck after he gets out of KU without a degree.

[catzacker]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

[MakeItRain]

Seems like this thread has all the requisite ingredients for a steaming pile of crap goEMAW stew:
a bunch of retards trying too hard + unapologetic ignorance + a dearth of worthwhile information

If your post doesn't have something to do with recruiting, post it somewhere else, idiots

-SD

WELCOME BACK!!!

[Mixed-Nutz]

I believe MJM could of been a good player here because we are so good at player development, but charlie suck balls at it so I am not all that worried. He better not get into Combs head... that would be a huge blow.

[MakeItRain]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

When you're melting down about what you think a pitch may have been it may be time for a break, or a counseling session or something.  My god man.

[Panjandrum]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

I don't know what they said vs. what KU said, but I'm sure it was something along the lines of, "I coached the Dallas Cowboys," and, "I have Tom Brady's cell phone number."

There were quotes from MJM before the visit that said he was there just to be there.  He had no intent to de-commit from KU.  Whatever message they sent resonated a long time ago, and if you can't tell the difference between 1-11 and 11-1 ... and know how long it takes to get from one extreme to another ... no message you give them is going to make a difference.

[TheHamburglar]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

I don't know what they said vs. what KU said, but I'm sure it was something along the lines of, "I coached the Dallas Cowboys," and, "I have Tom Brady's cell phone number."

There were quotes from MJM before the visit that said he was there just to be there.  He had no intent to de-commit from KU.  Whatever message they sent resonated a long time ago, and if you can't tell the difference between 1-11 and 11-1 ... and know how long it takes to get from one extreme to another ... no message you give them is going to make a difference.

I don't know, KU went from the 11-1 extreme to the 1-11 extreme pretty fast...

[Panjandrum]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

I don't know what they said vs. what KU said, but I'm sure it was something along the lines of, "I coached the Dallas Cowboys," and, "I have Tom Brady's cell phone number."

There were quotes from MJM before the visit that said he was there just to be there.  He had no intent to de-commit from KU.  Whatever message they sent resonated a long time ago, and if you can't tell the difference between 1-11 and 11-1 ... and know how long it takes to get from one extreme to another ... no message you give them is going to make a difference.

I don't know, KU went from the 11-1 extreme to the 1-11 extreme pretty fast...

Well, look at how many Top 25 teams were in our 11-1 vs. their 11-1.

[catzacker]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

When you're melting down about what you think a pitch may have been it may be time for a break, or a counseling session or something.  My god man.

to be clear, I'm melting down about (the possibility of) losing a recruit that we need to KU.  The rest of it is unimportant details that facilitate my meltdown narrative.

[jtksu]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

When you're melting down about what you think a pitch may have been it may be time for a break, or a counseling session or something.  My god man.

to be clear, I'm melting down about (the possibility of) losing a recruit that we need to KU.  The rest of it is unimportant details that facilitate my meltdown narrative.

I'm confused, was this guy commited to us previously?  I thought he'd been a KU commit for some time.  I don't follow their recruiting very closely...

[catzacker]

MJM has always been committed to KU (and apparently our dumbshit staff couldn't convince him to come to KSU).  but Combs is the one I'm melting down about.

[MadCat]

Now that MJM has got the "Winning Experience" out of the way, he can now focus on getting a job.