Football Recruiting Thread

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Do we have any transfers illegible to play next year ?

[MakeItRain]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

When you're melting down about what you think a pitch may have been it may be time for a break, or a counseling session or something.  My god man.

to be clear, I'm melting down about (the possibility of) losing a recruit that we need to KU.  The rest of it is unimportant details that facilitate my meltdown narrative.

There are a lot of highly ranked recruits that go to crap programs for a variety of reasons, I'm having a real hard time determining what the source of angst is other than you just needing to be mad.  If the kid committed to KU because he liked a staff with NFL experience what the hell could we do about that?  Should we fire some of the staff who went 21-4 the last two seasons for some NFL washouts?  I know nothing is going to pull you out of this meltdown, but its confusing as crap.

[Winters]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

[420seriouscat69]

Marcus Jenk-Moore ?@MJMent_
It's funny when coaches telling me that we not gonna win games! Haha! Gtfoh

At least our coaches were honest with him.     

That crap cre

[Kat Kid]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

When you're melting down about what you think a pitch may have been it may be time for a break, or a counseling session or something.  My god man.

to be clear, I'm melting down about (the possibility of) losing a recruit that we need to KU.  The rest of it is unimportant details that facilitate my meltdown narrative.

There are a lot of highly ranked recruits that go to crap programs for a variety of reasons, I'm having a real hard time determining what the source of angst is other than you just needing to be mad.  If the kid committed to KU because he liked a staff with NFL experience what the hell could we do about that?  Should we fire some of the staff who went 21-4 the last two seasons for some NFL washouts?  I know nothing is going to pull you out of this meltdown, but its confusing as crap.

Don't purposely confuse people's anger at the results and trying to fumble their way through an explanation as some well formed critique of the methods, results be damned.  People are upset at the terrible recruiting.  Make an argument that it isn't terrible or accept that their anger is righteous, however feebly expressed.  Hold out a hand MIR, these folks need healing.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Now that MJM has got the "Winning Experience" out of the way, he can now focus on getting a job.

To bad charlie isn't going to get you to the league.

[MakeItRain]

pan, basically what I'm getting at is that they shouldn't have told him what they apparently did.  and if you can't sell the plethora of DB's that snyder put in the nfl and hayes' nfl experience along with being put on a stage to showcase his talents, which he won't get at KU, then just burn it down.  burn it down.

When you're melting down about what you think a pitch may have been it may be time for a break, or a counseling session or something.  My god man.

to be clear, I'm melting down about (the possibility of) losing a recruit that we need to KU.  The rest of it is unimportant details that facilitate my meltdown narrative.

There are a lot of highly ranked recruits that go to crap programs for a variety of reasons, I'm having a real hard time determining what the source of angst is other than you just needing to be mad.  If the kid committed to KU because he liked a staff with NFL experience what the hell could we do about that?  Should we fire some of the staff who went 21-4 the last two seasons for some NFL washouts?  I know nothing is going to pull you out of this meltdown, but its confusing as crap.

Don't purposely confuse people's anger at the results and trying to fumble their way through an explanation as some well formed critique of the methods, results be damned.  People are upset at the terrible recruiting.  Make an argument that it isn't terrible or accept that their anger is righteous, however feebly expressed.  Hold out a hand MIR, these folks need healing.

Without running the risk of sounding too tuckish, its pretty hard to say the recruiting is terrible given the results.  As previously pointed out the last time this coach whored himself out for stars, he nearly burned it down himself.  It's been 20+ years, how much longer should it take before we give a little benefit of the doubt?  I want shiny things like everyone else does, I too get when it seems we are targeting someone other people want.  I just am not going to when we don't get some of these players.  I guess I've reached the point where I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt, there are a lot of these guys on this team who are going to get their names called in the next 4 drafts.


If that's :powerespect: so be it

[catzacker]

hey guys, everything will be okay with recruiting.  he's done it for like 15 years.

sincerely,

preseason 2004

[MakeItRain]

hey guys, everything will be okay with recruiting.  he's done it for like 15 years.

sincerely,

preseason 2004

So you're going to completely ignore that what he did after 2003 is exactly what you're advocating now?  It was literally the only time he deviated from his previous recruiting philosophy.  Also looking at the off season from last time we won a Big 12 title is pretty arbitrary and antithetical to how most recruits select schools, but carry on though.  "I want to go there because they won the Big 12" isn't exactly how that goes.  Most guys who considers themselves winners would go to a place that they feel is a good fit if they haven't won as much because they feel they can and will help the team win more.

[catzacker]

their problems were entirely centered around poor recruiting - they either got beat out for kids they wanted (usually to OU, OSU, KU), the kids they got didn't make it, or they made it and sucked (or the staff did a horrible job developing them).  The lesson is not to suck at recruiting.  Close deals on guys you value, make sure you have back ups for some of those guys, and make sure that during the process you evaluate well enough if they will even make it. 

the only "lesson" that bill needed to learn was that his coaches needed more time to recruit - and then maybe they would land that kid or maybe they would have more time to spend with the back up so the back up wouldn't get stolen away, and maybe they wouldn't have to take risks with qualifiers because of it.   The idea that "hey, let's just get the lessor athletic kids who want to be here" is rough ridin' mind boggling to me.

I dunno.  I don't have to be a oil tanker captain to know that the captain of the Exxon Valdez mumped up something royally.

[SdK]

I, too, am already over the dp and fiesta. Fybs!

[FranklyFrankYou]

their problems were entirely centered around poor recruiting - they either got beat out for kids they wanted (usually to OU, OSU, KU), the kids they got didn't make it, or they made it and sucked (or the staff did a horrible job developing them).  The lesson is not to suck at recruiting.  Close deals on guys you value, make sure you have back ups for some of those guys, and make sure that during the process you evaluate well enough if they will even make it. 

the only "lesson" that bill needed to learn was that his coaches needed more time to recruit - and then maybe they would land that kid or maybe they would have more time to spend with the back up so the back up wouldn't get stolen away, and maybe they wouldn't have to take risks with qualifiers because of it.   The idea that "hey, let's just get the lessor athletic kids who want to be here" is rough ridin' mind boggling to me.

I dunno.  I don't have to be a oil tanker captain to know that the captain of the Exxon Valdez mumped up something royally.

id guess that the 2004 class was an outlier to all of snyders classes before and since. Does it matter that we didn't get the high profile guys before that an still reaped great results or that we have done the same since 2004 and have once again come to the point of double digit wins? Or should we abandon that strategy and pursue recruits with high ratings that fell on their collective faces to make fans like you happy and go 4 and 8?

[pissclams]

hey guys, everything will be okay with recruiting.  he's done it for like 15 years.

sincerely,

preseason 2004

i don't follow football recruiting but how much of these last two years do we owe to señor prince? 

[TheHamburglar]

their problems were entirely centered around poor recruiting - they either got beat out for kids they wanted (usually to OU, OSU, KU), the kids they got didn't make it, or they made it and sucked (or the staff did a horrible job developing them).  The lesson is not to suck at recruiting.  Close deals on guys you value, make sure you have back ups for some of those guys, and make sure that during the process you evaluate well enough if they will even make it. 

the only "lesson" that bill needed to learn was that his coaches needed more time to recruit - and then maybe they would land that kid or maybe they would have more time to spend with the back up so the back up wouldn't get stolen away, and maybe they wouldn't have to take risks with qualifiers because of it.   The idea that "hey, let's just get the lessor athletic kids who want to be here" is rough ridin' mind boggling to me.

I dunno.  I don't have to be a oil tanker captain to know that the captain of the Exxon Valdez mumped up something royally.

id guess that the 2004 class was an outlier to all of snyders classes before and since. Does it matter that we didn't get the high profile guys before that an still reaped great results or that we have done the same since 2004 and have once again come to the point of double digit wins? Or should we abandon that strategy and pursue recruits with high ratings that fell on their collective faces to make fans like you happy and go 4 and 8?

You do realize that 2 of our best 3 players this year were very highly ranked/recruited guys coming out of HS that decided to transfer back home don't you?  We haven't gotten any more of these types of players in 3 years. 

People like to say how the 2002-2004 classes were the result of going after highly ranked recruits and we are successful now by going to back to what worked before.  However, those same people never mention a major part of the last 2 years success came as a result of bringing in 2 highly ranked recruits as transfers and we haven't landed any more of them the last 3 years. 

[MakeItRain]

their problems were entirely centered around poor recruiting - they either got beat out for kids they wanted (usually to OU, OSU, KU), the kids they got didn't make it, or they made it and sucked (or the staff did a horrible job developing them).  The lesson is not to suck at recruiting.  Close deals on guys you value, make sure you have back ups for some of those guys, and make sure that during the process you evaluate well enough if they will even make it. 

the only "lesson" that bill needed to learn was that his coaches needed more time to recruit - and then maybe they would land that kid or maybe they would have more time to spend with the back up so the back up wouldn't get stolen away, and maybe they wouldn't have to take risks with qualifiers because of it.   The idea that "hey, let's just get the lessor athletic kids who want to be here" is rough ridin' mind boggling to me.

I dunno.  I don't have to be a oil tanker captain to know that the captain of the Exxon Valdez mumped up something royally.

id guess that the 2004 class was an outlier to all of snyders classes before and since. Does it matter that we didn't get the high profile guys before that an still reaped great results or that we have done the same since 2004 and have once again come to the point of double digit wins? Or should we abandon that strategy and pursue recruits with high ratings that fell on their collective faces to make fans like you happy and go 4 and 8?

You do realize that 2 of our best 3 players this year were very highly ranked/recruited guys coming out of HS that decided to transfer back home don't you?  We haven't gotten any more of these types of players in 3 years. 

People like to say how the 2002-2004 classes were the result of going after highly ranked recruits and we are successful now by going to back to what worked before.  However, those same people never mention a major part of the last 2 years success came as a result of bringing in 2 highly ranked recruits as transfers and we haven't landed any more of them the last 3 years.

You do realize that Snyder has gotten D1 transfers for like ever right, its his thing, guessing that having two of those players drafted won't hurt this anytime soon.

[TheHamburglar]

their problems were entirely centered around poor recruiting - they either got beat out for kids they wanted (usually to OU, OSU, KU), the kids they got didn't make it, or they made it and sucked (or the staff did a horrible job developing them).  The lesson is not to suck at recruiting.  Close deals on guys you value, make sure you have back ups for some of those guys, and make sure that during the process you evaluate well enough if they will even make it. 

the only "lesson" that bill needed to learn was that his coaches needed more time to recruit - and then maybe they would land that kid or maybe they would have more time to spend with the back up so the back up wouldn't get stolen away, and maybe they wouldn't have to take risks with qualifiers because of it.   The idea that "hey, let's just get the lessor athletic kids who want to be here" is rough ridin' mind boggling to me.

I dunno.  I don't have to be a oil tanker captain to know that the captain of the Exxon Valdez mumped up something royally.

id guess that the 2004 class was an outlier to all of snyders classes before and since. Does it matter that we didn't get the high profile guys before that an still reaped great results or that we have done the same since 2004 and have once again come to the point of double digit wins? Or should we abandon that strategy and pursue recruits with high ratings that fell on their collective faces to make fans like you happy and go 4 and 8?

You do realize that 2 of our best 3 players this year were very highly ranked/recruited guys coming out of HS that decided to transfer back home don't you?  We haven't gotten any more of these types of players in 3 years. 

People like to say how the 2002-2004 classes were the result of going after highly ranked recruits and we are successful now by going to back to what worked before.  However, those same people never mention a major part of the last 2 years success came as a result of bringing in 2 highly ranked recruits as transfers and we haven't landed any more of them the last 3 years.

You do realize that Snyder has gotten D1 transfers for like ever right, its his thing, guessing that having two of those players drafted won't hurt this anytime soon.

Please list these D1 transfers we've gotten since Harper/Brown 3 years ago.  We royally screwed up on one of them last June because our class was full, even though one of those spots we were saving was for a juco guy that hadn't been to class the previous two months. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Melting down over not getting a 210lb juco LB is pretty lame
Melting down because said LB chose ku is really lame
Reading kuzacker's self deprecating bullshit is slightly entertaining
Reading MIR's psuedo-psychosis bullshit is unbearable

Why anyone gives a crap about some undersized juco LB that is like 8th on our wishlist and whose offer was probably contingent on Combs is beyond me.  We return Walker, Slaughter redshirted, Truman looks good, Moore, we're in the mix for Ramirez and Longino, have 3 LB commits, and I don't know greyshirts.  Oh yeah, only 2 are on the field for 80% of the snaps. 


FYI, this DB visited Sat and will commit.
 http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Nate-Jackson-140986;_ylt=AsxlTuJJxB_I5gg5NwiFHpvpsJB4
 

[catzacker]

It's not MJM that I necessarily care about, it's Combs. 

[KSUBrian]

It's not MJM that I necessarily care about, it's Combs.

Is not getting Combs a done deal?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

It's not MJM that I necessarily care about, it's Combs.

Isn't he still very much in the mix?  I mean, he has 87 D1 offers and 1 of his 2 visits was to kstate.

You know what would be really rough ridin' depressing? If our coach hopped a plane to secure the commitment of a 210lb juco LB.  That's rough ridin' pathetic and where ku is right now.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Per Cassidy, Combs to decide on the 19th, has 50 offers, and his final 4 is KState, ku, wash st, Hou.

If we lose out to any of those programs, please melt down.  For the first time in 5 years DT isnt a position of desperation, so Im not overly concerned one way or the other.

[EMAWmeister]

Mediocre/bad programs ahead of us in recruiting rankings:
NC State
Maryland
Mississippi State
Baylor (OMFG)
Louisville
Kentucky
Minnesota
Iowa State (BARFLOL)
Purdue
Kansas
Vanderbilt (not even making this up)

Non-BCS programs ahead of us:
BYU
TCU
Utah
Houston
Fresno State
Southern Miss
Colorado State (srsly)

Our "peers":
Virginia
Colorado
Wake Forest
Illinois
Duke
Temple
Northwestern
Syracuse
Connecticut
Boise State (83rd/WTF)
Wisconsin (84th//atta boy Beilema!)
[/color]Washington State
Indiana

This post should probably be required reading for anyone who thinks DOD pt. 2 is coming.

Here's a hint: It's not.

 

Better go ahead and get in a preemptive FP, TC, etc.  for Lockett.

Who is this beast.

  I just liked the picture.  Was on the front page of kstatefans.

its Meshak Williams...ftw!

He was okay.

Tyler Informed me he will be wearing the number 12.

12 is also the amount of catches he will have in his career.

  Spot on.

Auburn kills black QBs.

 

Sams is more Roberson-like.

Shredding OU in the Dr Pepper Roberson like or Hi i'm James Mcgill Roberson like?

Probably that one.

[EMAWmeister]

Some real gems at the start of this thread.

[Domino]

At this point I don't follow recruiting; I know KSU can't land any of the top tier guys, and the staff generally does very well with the kids that they do sign (though not everyone.) I didn't grow up in Kansas so maybe one of you who did could fill me in but the only thing that seems frustrating is why the top talent in Wichita doesn't seem to have any desire to stay in state.

[EMAWmeister]

At this point I don't follow recruiting; I know KSU can't land any of the top tier guys, and the staff generally does very well with the kids that they do sign (though not everyone.) I didn't grow up in Kansas so maybe one of you who did could fill me in but the only thing that seems frustrating is why the top talent in Wichita doesn't seem to have any desire to stay in state.