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[sonofdaxjones]

As I've said before, the BiG already has a level of market presence in KC because of the number of Iowa and Nebraska transplants that live in the KC Metro.

Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans. 

Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity.    Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.

If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12.   The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12.    This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity.   It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.   

But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC.  So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal. 

I wish them the best though.

I've never understood "conference pride". I give no shits about the other teams and hope they lose every game against my team. I get zero of the dollars personally so as long as my team is reasonably taken care of, it doesn't matter an ounce to me what conference they are in. The ding dongs in the SEC and BIG that lose 5 games minimum every year and then cheer for Alabama and Ohio State in the playoffs are super weird.

It's truly a site to behold.   But I am surrounded by fans of schools who collectively haven't won a conference football title in over 4 centuries.

[sonofdaxjones]

As I've said before, the BiG already has a level of market presence in KC because of the number of Iowa and Nebraska transplants that live in the KC Metro.

Anecdotally my parents church on JoCo is filled with Hawkeye and Cornhole fans. 

Unless the BiG boots Rutgers, which would be a wide open admission by the conference they made a mistake and nobody wants that kind of publicity.    Then KU just adds another mouth to feed that doesn't bring true value in the sport that matters.

If you're a KU fan that cares at all about football and getting back to consistent winning ways, the best chance is in the Big 12.   The best chance for KU to ever see a CFBPO birth if it ever really expands is in the Big 12.    This desire for a Power 2 likely relegates KU football to nothing more than cannon fodder for the grinder into perpetuity.   It's literally a participation ribbon for decades upon decades.   

But living in the heart of SEC country I see and hear first hand every day how the usual list of schools beam with pride at the fact that they're allowed to participate in the SEC.  So I know for some, participation ribbons are a big deal. 

I wish them the best though.

KU is not unusual in this respect, only unusual in how open they are in pursuing revenue.  OU/UT to SEC was more financially driven than meeting the needs of the fan base.  UT has always been an inconsiderate conference partner (see SW Conference history), and OU has more recently been an inconsiderate conference partner with their griping about 11am starts.  UT's interval of decency was when they had former KSU AD Deloss Dodds leading their athletic department,  they've been disgusting pigs in terms of conference partners since he retired (see Longhorn Network).

There are good points.

KU fans are now declaring KU the leader of the new Big 12 (until they go to the BiG of course).

If that's even remotely the case, that simply does not bode well for the Big 12.    It's not that far of a stretch to think that it may be better for the new Big 12 to jettison KU and it's awful football program on to someone else.    Basketball carries very little weight for conference wide media rights negotiations.    The Big 12's 'lead' product cannot be basketball or Gene Taylor will be proven to be completely wrong and revenue will plummet.   Basketball is not power conference sustaining on any conceivable level.

[sonofdaxjones]

Kentucky has a much better basketball and football program, in the SEC, and everyone still thinks of them as meh.

Here is how I perceive the SEC pecking order, ranked from last to first:

Vandy
Missouri
Miss State/Ole Miss/South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama

[Winters]

Kentucky has a much better basketball and football program, in the SEC, and everyone still thinks of them as meh.

Here is how I perceive the SEC pecking order, ranked from last to first:

Vandy
Missouri
Miss State/Ole Miss/South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama

I'd put Mizzou over the Mississippi schools but that is pretty dead on.

[nicname]

Kentucky has a much better basketball and football program, in the SEC, and everyone still thinks of them as meh.

Here is how I perceive the SEC pecking order, ranked from last to first:

Vandy
Missouri
Miss State/Ole Miss/South Carolina
Arkansas
Kentucky
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Auburn
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama

I'd put Mizzou over the Mississippi schools but that is pretty dead on.

Vandy
Miss State
Arkansas
Mizzou
So Car
Ole Miss
Kentucky
ATM
Tennessee
Auburn
Oklahoma
Texas
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Alabama

[MakeItRain]

If they continue to not be publicly committed to the conference, the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them. I mean what do they offer that Memphis doesn't? Not kidding ether.

[MadCat]

the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them

What does this mean?

[nicname]

the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them

What does this mean?

Give them the boot.

[nicname]

Giving KU their walking papers would be awesome. I wonder how much it would cost the conference to kick them out? It would be total  .

[passranch]

the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them

What does this mean?

https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004625/http://nytimes.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120817173242625024008

"The Owls had 10 seasons of one or two victories spanning their Big East years of 1991-2004. The Owls were evicted from the Big East after 13 years for failing to meet minimum requirements for membership, most notably in attendance, facilities and fielding a competitive team."

[Shooter Jones]

Guys, while the SEC and B10 fight over them, it sounds like they're going to sneak over to the ACC.

[MadCat]

the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them

What does this mean?

https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004625/http://nytimes.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120817173242625024008

"The Owls had 10 seasons of one or two victories spanning their Big East years of 1991-2004. The Owls were evicted from the Big East after 13 years for failing to meet minimum requirements for membership, most notably in attendance, facilities and fielding a competitive team."

Thanks!  I had no idea conferences would actually evict a school.  I wonder how close Nebraska is to eviction

[joda]

the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them

What does this mean?

https://web.archive.org/web/20131005004625/http://nytimes.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120817173242625024008

"The Owls had 10 seasons of one or two victories spanning their Big East years of 1991-2004. The Owls were evicted from the Big East after 13 years for failing to meet minimum requirements for membership, most notably in attendance, facilities and fielding a competitive team."

Thanks!  I had no idea conferences would actually evict a school.  I wonder how close Nebraska is to eviction

I don’t think the B10 would evict Nubb. They’re an easy win for the big boys but with enough name recognition it looks like a good win even if it’s not. Rutgers is far and away first on the chopping block for the B10.

[Dugout DickStone]

I know that they don't care but if they start evicting the schools that they poached from other conferences and almost killed those conferences they would look like major MAJOR dicks

[thunderbowlt]

If they continue to not be publicly committed to the conference, the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them. I mean what do they offer that Memphis doesn't? Not kidding ether.

According to the Big 12 Bylaws -

"A Member (a “Withdrawing Member”) may Withdraw, or shall be deemed to have Withdrawn, as a Member of the Conference: (i) if it gives notice of the intent to Withdraw to the Conference; or (ii) if a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors by affirmative vote determines that such Member: (A) makes statements or takes actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to evidence the intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future; ... or (D) if a Member otherwise takes or fails to take actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to be contrary to the best interests of the Conference taken as a whole."

It seems to me that with the AD out there blabbing that they'd jump ship at a moment's notice if they could that it would definitely be easy to tell them not to let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.

[WildcatNation]

“What will happen here is that the BIG XII will expand to 14 teams and this will cause paranoia in the big 10 Conference and to counter that they will steal Kansas. Goff and Girod know how the game works.”

[PurpleOil]

If they continue to not be publicly committed to the conference, the Board of Governors should 100% Temple them. I mean what do they offer that Memphis doesn't? Not kidding ether.

According to the Big 12 Bylaws -

"A Member (a “Withdrawing Member”) may Withdraw, or shall be deemed to have Withdrawn, as a Member of the Conference: (i) if it gives notice of the intent to Withdraw to the Conference; or (ii) if a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors by affirmative vote determines that such Member: (A) makes statements or takes actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to evidence the intent of such Member to withdraw from the Conference either currently or in the future; ... or (D) if a Member otherwise takes or fails to take actions that are determined by a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors to be contrary to the best interests of the Conference taken as a whole."

It seems to me that with the AD out there blabbing that they'd jump ship at a moment's notice if they could that it would definitely be easy to tell them not to let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.

Kicking KU out of this conference after losing OU and UT would be such a boss move for the Big XII leadership... which is why I know it'll never happen.

“What will happen here is that the BIG XII will expand to 14 teams and this will cause paranoia in the big 10 Conference and to counter that they will steal Kansas. Goff and Girod know how the game works.”

 

[wiley]

Why would the big 10 be paranoid of what our conference is doing.  They have legit anchor tenants.  They will be fine as long as they stay.

[thunderbowlt]

The KU guys talk about how great the Big 10 is because all the schools look out for each other.  Yet they seem to be auditioning by giving their current conference mates the finger whenever they can. 

The more they hear about how the rest of the Big 12 wasn't happy with Goff's comments about looking elsewhere, the more they think he's doing all the right things, and they couldn't be more proud of him.  They laugh at Gene for saying positive things about the conference.

That place is so aptly named the 'phog'.  Those minds are just so fogged up over there, it's like you're in a dream, and you know you're in a dream, and you're just watching all this stuff that looks kind of real, but is just so detached from reality.  One minute this whole beautiful plan falls into place to be in the Big 10, but, then, wait, we're in the ACC?  Oh cool!  But why are we all excited to play USC?  Oh, no, we're in the PAC 12.  And we have the SEC shaking in their boots now, because now that KU is going to be in the Big 10 with Ohio State and Michigan, we have ALL the control.  lol  Oh, and those idiots over there at KSUck can't face the reality that they're stuck in the Big 12.  lol

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A guy said KU fits better in the ACC than WVU.  That kind of sums of a lot of the dumbness you see over there.