Football Recruiting Thread

[kso_FAN]

When I think about Tucks and recruiting it pretty has nothing to do with recruiting rankings or stars.

Tucks and recruiting is this (also facebooks post thread):

I was watching the basketball game last night and I noticed that Alabama has signed more 5 star recruits than any other program ever. How about KSU who has done more with farmers kids (Jordy Nelson) Super Bowl MVP and has rarely if ever signed a 5 star recruit. I don't know how many "super star" high school kids would ever see this, but if you want to learn all aspects of football not just what will get you a big contract, "Johnny Manziel" then I suggest you go to a school with a COACH not just a gate keeper to the NFL. You want to win in the most physical and difficult conference in the NCAA try the Big 12 we have 9 teams that almost always compete for the title every year (with the exception of KU). KSU is a great school and will always teach these kids family first and that is the most important lesson. GO CATS!

[CHONGS]

I will always find it funny how "sour grape (HA!)" our fanbase gets when it comes to mid-to-high level recruits.  When it looks like they are going to come here they are perfect fits, hard workers, great finds/steals, ect.    If they don't come here it's inevitably because they don't want to work hard or something along those line (essentially the exact opposite of what was being said previously).  After enough of this a lot of people have convinced themselves that ONLY 2 stars work hard or fit our "system".

[420seriouscat69]

Jordy Nelson wasn't the Super Bowl MVP.

[kslim]

basically what _fan just posted or this depending on the situation. also someone should tell that guy jordy wasnt the mvp

[Katpappy]

When I think about Tucks and recruiting it pretty has nothing to do with recruiting rankings or stars.

Tucks and recruiting is this (also facebooks post thread):

I was watching the basketball game last night and I noticed that Alabama has signed more 5 star recruits than any other program ever. How about KSU who has done more with farmers kids (Jordy Nelson) Super Bowl MVP and has rarely if ever signed a 5 star recruit. I don't know how many "super star" high school kids would ever see this, but if you want to learn all aspects of football not just what will get you a big contract, "Johnny Manziel" then I suggest you go to a school with a COACH not just a gate keeper to the NFL. You want to win in the most physical and difficult conference in the NCAA try the Big 12 we have 9 teams that almost always compete for the title every year (with the exception of KU). KSU is a great school and will always teach these kids family first and that is the most important lesson. GO CATS!

I really think the "farm kid" mentality will go away in the future.  JC knows what will set this place apart from the middle of the road P5 AD facilities, and that's investment in nice shiny stuff for the kids to impressed.  Old T Boone knew what to do with OSU and Currie knows what KSU needs.

[Mr Bread]

Jordy Nelson wasn't the Super Bowl MVP.

he was in that person's heart and that's all that matters. #family

[CHONGS]

How many farmers' kids have actually contributed to ole KSU?  (Serious Q).  I suspect it's less than 5% of all players who have been through the system (wild ass unsupported guess).

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

If I had to guess, 5.4 two star kansas kid recruited by Snyder is better than 5.5 three star dfw metroplex player 9 out of 10 times. I think there's a definite "star bias" the more urban and further south you go. The physical measurables (size, weight, strength, speed) of these kids are virtually identical. I think the bias is almost entirely due to exposure and competition, not some dumbass conspiracy. Out program development is what allows us to compete with programs that consistently recruit better.

If we could sprinkle in a few more four and five star guys, we'd finally clear the summit.

[Jabeez]

i might sound like a tuck and trust me i love to get the 4/5 star athletic studs but im content as of now landing three stars simply because the 4/5 star studs never even end up here (or if they do they never play). we absolutely have a shitty staff when it comes to the big names but we do get 4-5 talented kids a year that make a difference right away.

a lot of you seem to think that it's the staff's fault we don't sign 4 and 5 star kids

Yeah, this.

Blast if you wish, but I've followed recruiting enough that I think "its hard to recruit to Manhattan" is a real thing. This is pretty much while I quit following recruiting and especially football recruiting.

Yeah, you can point out Beasley and Walker, but we all know that was an extremely unique situation.

I want us to land more 4 and 5 star kids as much as anyone, but I don't think any coach in America is going to bring more than a few every 5 years into Manhattan.

And that's okay.

Maybe, but we should at least be in the ballpark of schools like OSU and Tech*. It would also be nice to win the occasional battle on a 3 star someone else with a pulse wants.

*I used to include Baylor, but they've clearly passed us

I mean, if Mississippi and some other southern universities can do it, there is no reason we can't. Those places are shitholes in the middle of no where.

[Katpappy]

If I had to guess, 5.4 two star kansas kid recruited by Snyder is better than 5.5 three star dfw metroplex player 9 out of 10 times. I think there's a definite "star bias" the more urban and further south you go. The physical measurables (size, weight, strength, speed) of these kids are virtually identical. I think the bias is almost entirely due to exposure and competition, not some dumbass conspiracy. Out program development is what allows us to compete with programs that consistently recruit better.

If we could sprinkle in a few more four and five star guys, we'd finally clear the summit.

IT WILL HAPPEN, Dick.

[Belvis Noland]

OU has had the 1st or 2nd recruiting class in the BigXII every year for the past 15 years.  And they've got 7 conference titles?  we've got 2. 

[i poo crabs]

ESPN giving some love to our boy Zuber.  Article on 5 overlooked Big 12 commits


Stone Mountain (Georgia) Stephenson receiver Isaiah Zuber
Committed to Kansas State

Rank: No. 124 in Georgia, No. 161 receiver

Why he’s overshadowed: Georgia is a talent-rich state, making it easy for a talent like Zuber to be overlooked. A three-star prospect who picked KSU over offers from Virginia Tech, Boston College and others, Zuber could become a key playmaker in the Wildcats' offense.

Why he could make a big impact: Zuber doesn’t bring exceptional size or blazing speed to the table. But his quickness is a major asset, and the Wildcats have a habit of finding quality receiving prospects who might not have the ideal measurable, but can be developed into productive playmakers.

[i poo crabs]

CJ online with a little snitbit on trey dishon

At 6-3 and 305 pounds, Dishon is hard to ignore, but playing at Class 3A Horton he slipped through the recruiting cracks.

“I was never on the radar,” Dishon said. “I never went to the Rivals camps or any of the camps or combines or that kind of stuff. I sent out film to everybody, but that was about it.”

The only interest he received was from NCAA Division II, NAIA and junior college programs, and he made an oral commitment to Northwest Missouri State. Two weeks ago, his life changed through social media.

“Coach Taylor Braet, K-State’s recruiting coordinator, followed me on Twitter and I followed him back,” Dishon said. “We started talking and he said he was going to send a coach up to see me.”

Wildcats assistants Mo Latimore and Mike Cox went to Horton on Jan. 23 and during that visit put Dishon on the phone with Snyder, who extended the offer.

“I told them I wasn’t interested in walking on,” Dishon said, “but they said, no, they were offering me a scholarship. To be able to play for a program like K-State in your home state is pretty cool.”

Dishon was All-Class 3A and selected to play in the Shrine Bowl, earning two stars from Rivals. During his senior season he had 47 tackles (31 solo) with 10 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, 18 hurries, two blocked punts and one blocked field goal. He played tight end on offense, catching 11 passes for 196 yards.

[michigancat]

If I had to guess, 5.4 two star kansas kid recruited by Snyder is better than 5.5 three star dfw metroplex player 9 out of 10 times. I think there's a definite "star bias" the more urban and further south you go. The physical measurables (size, weight, strength, speed) of these kids are virtually identical. I think the bias is almost entirely due to exposure and competition, not some dumbass conspiracy. Out program development is what allows us to compete with programs that consistently recruit better.

I've read (somewhere) that Texas recruits are closer to their peaks than recruits from other regions because the high school programs are so good. So I think that has some merit.

[Mixed-Nutz]

ESPN giving some love to our boy Zuber.  Article on 5 overlooked Big 12 commits


Stone Mountain (Georgia) Stephenson receiver Isaiah Zuber
Committed to Kansas State

Rank: No. 124 in Georgia, No. 161 receiver

Why he’s overshadowed: Georgia is a talent-rich state, making it easy for a talent like Zuber to be overlooked. A three-star prospect who picked KSU over offers from Virginia Tech, Boston College and others, Zuber could become a key playmaker in the Wildcats' offense.

Why he could make a big impact: Zuber doesn’t bring exceptional size or blazing speed to the table. But his quickness is a major asset, and the Wildcats have a habit of finding quality receiving prospects who might not have the ideal measurable, but can be developed into productive playmakers.

It is a joke if you are not going to take quickness into serious contention when it comes to evaluating wide receivers. It is super important.

[Mixed-Nutz]

If I had to guess, 5.4 two star kansas kid recruited by Snyder is better than 5.5 three star dfw metroplex player 9 out of 10 times. I think there's a definite "star bias" the more urban and further south you go. The physical measurables (size, weight, strength, speed) of these kids are virtually identical. I think the bias is almost entirely due to exposure and competition, not some dumbass conspiracy. Out program development is what allows us to compete with programs that consistently recruit better.

I've read (somewhere) that Texas recruits are closer to their peaks than recruits from other regions because the high school programs are so good. So I think that has some merit.

Rivals doesn't take a serious amount of time evaluating 2 stars. 2 Stars that sign to BSC as programs tend to be wildcards.

[ArchE_Cat]

Jordy Nelson wasn't the Super Bowl MVP.

he was in that person's heart and that's all that matters. #family

you da real mvp mr. bread 

[420seriouscat69]

Recruiting underneath Bill's return:

2010: #63        2- 4*'s (Adam Davis & Demarcus Robinson)
2011: #69        -All 3 stars or below
2012: #59        1- 4* (Marquez Clark)----NOPE
2013: #66        2- 4*'s (Nick Ramirez & Tanner wood)...... NOPE & 
2014: #47        2- 4*'s (Dvonta and Clinck)..... NOPE & 
2015: #54        1- 4* (Shelley)

[sunny_cat]

Adam Davis was good. Clink is also.

[420seriouscat69]

Adam Davis was good. Clink is also.

Davis was decent and there's no body of proof to say Clink is good, but ok.

['taterblast]

is today signing day?

[kslim]

is today signing day?

tomorrow.

Adam Davis was good. Clink is also.

Davis was decent and there's no body of proof to say Clink is good, but ok.

clinks played very well toward the end of the season. you can see he will be pretty good.

['taterblast]

Adam Davis was good. Clink is also.

Davis was decent and there's no body of proof to say Clink is good, but ok.

  Davis was very good once he was healthy (basically all of '11 and '12).

[Belvis Noland]

Recruiting underneath Bill's return:

2010: #63        2- 4*'s (Adam Davis & Demarcus Robinson)
2011: #69        -All 3 stars or below
2012: #59        1- 4* (Marquez Clark)----NOPE
2013: #66        2- 4*'s (Nick Ramirez & Tanner wood)...... NOPE & 
2014: #47        2- 4*'s (Dvonta and Clinck)..... NOPE & 
2015: #54        1- 4* (Shelley)

do this for the DOD too. 

[kslim]

pretty funny read. http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/3/7970291/national-signing-day-rationalizations-itll-be-ok-itll-be-ok

16. Kansas State has two-stars. Kansas State wins. We have two-stars. ERGO FACTO