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the real manly looking broad in the blue is the frontrunner supposedly

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: July 01, 2022, 08:58:17 PM »
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/01/ohio-girl-10-among-patients-going-indiana-abortion/778841500

On Monday three days after the Supreme Court issued its groundbreaking decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis obstetrician-gynecologist, took a call from a colleague, a child abuse doctor in Ohio.

Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant.

Could Bernard help?

....

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i've never read TexAgs other than the things posted here, but I recently went to LSU's Tiger Droppings board for something, and I'm hard pressed to believe there's a nuttier board in the nation...


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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: MEGA MAGA
« on: June 30, 2022, 10:30:40 PM »
story said guy got some kind of student support job at UK

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 30, 2022, 04:17:14 PM »
i didn't know until the last year or so how bats he is, my goodness

"then you weren't paying attention" is a cliche , but i hate to say that it REALLY applies in this case

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HugeCat Hoops Emporium / Re: Master Dudes Thread
« on: June 29, 2022, 11:17:19 PM »
how is charlie batch that rich lol...wasnt he a backup journeyman who retired like 10 years ago

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 29, 2022, 11:10:30 PM »
I only got 2 pages in;
"The contested exercise here does not involve
leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy
only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students
after three games in October 2015."

Isn't this what is said is being misconstrued, though? Lots of smart, reasonable people say that the conservative justices lied about the facts of the case. (The same justices who lied under oath about Roe.)

Yes, that's what people are saying but there hasn't been anything actually proven that he was literally coercing his players to pray. The people who say he was coercing the players to pray think that the act of him doing the praying itself constitutes coercion. Despite what dal thinks, I've read a lot about this case, even before the ruling and it has never been said, on the record, that this coach ever verbalized his intent to make the team pray with him or punished someone who didn't.

Again, of course he intended the players on joining him, but schools shouldn't be punishing and courts can't be ruling against inferences. You want to talk about a slippery slope, oooh boy.
like spracs said inferences are inextricably part of the legal system.

But even more to the point:

"For instance, Kennedy’s letter asserted that he had not invited anyone to pray with him; the District noted that that might be true of Kennedy’s September 17 prayer specifically, but that Kennedy had acknowledged inviting others to join him on many previous occasions."  (dissent, p. 7).  Are you saying that when a coach "invites" you to do something, there's no coercion involved?

"After the issues with Kennedy arose, several parents reached out to the District saying that their children had
participated in Kennedy’s prayers solely to avoid separating themselves from the rest of the team. No BHS students
appeared to pray on the field after Kennedy’s suspension." (dissent, p. 11)

"The District Court further found that players had reported "feeling compelled to join Kennedy in prayer to stay connected with the team or ensure playing time,” and that the “slow accumulation of players joining Kennedy suggests exactly the type of vulnerability to social pressure that makes the Establishment Clause vital in the high school context.” (dissent 12-13).

etc etc

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HugeCat Hoops Emporium / Re: Master Dudes Thread
« on: June 29, 2022, 06:16:19 PM »
EMU is the guys hometown team (not that that makes it more logical).  Is the $1M NIL really true?  What boosters could EMU have that can afford that?

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:59:35 PM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/the-myth-at-the-heart-of-the-praying-bremerton-coach-case/

Pretty good summary of the coach praying case.

So how did this happen? Were these facts not included in the record on appeal? How did SCOTUS mangle the facts so badly? As they say, bad facts make bad law.

the facts were in the record, as the dissent points out (seriously, people, read it, it's not that long). some were just outright ignored, others were deemed irrelevant by the majority for dubious technical reasons (most notably, they ignored the guys behavior up to the point where he got his first warning, and ignored everything he did/said outside of the postgame football field).

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 29, 2022, 02:14:16 AM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

I'm not buying any spin, I've yet to read a single quote about this case, before or after the ruling, that contended that this coach mandated prayer for anyone.

Yes, the heart of this issue is conservative culture war bullshit, but once again, telling a public school employee that they can't pray at their place of work would have had ramifications far beyond the religious right. I taught with a teacher who prayed in her classroom during Ramadan, of course no one was there when she did it, but if that ruling wasn't affirmed, she 109% would have lost the opportunity to pray, alone, in her classroom.
you are completely misreading it the case.  (or, more likely, not reading the case, just commentary about it.) 
1) there can be inappropriate coercion without an explicit mandate.
2) even the majority admits that even if the coach lost the case, your teacher friend could face no consequences.  (school in this case offered the coach time to pray behind closed doors in private, but that was not good enough for either the coach or the majority)

anyway, it's not that long read it for yourself  https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: capitol riot
« on: June 28, 2022, 11:27:12 PM »

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 28, 2022, 09:53:17 PM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

 

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 28, 2022, 06:12:05 PM »
ken paxton (TX AG) just said that he would defend Texas' sodomy law in court if Lawrence got repealed...now, maybe you can say Texas Republicans would repeal the law, but they certainly don't appear to be in any hurry to do so

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 07:55:04 PM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 07:04:15 PM »
^ no it's the same issue...Dabo got his hand smacked for this stuff at Clemson a few years back


also

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 06:42:56 PM »
Praying in circles before or after games isn’t weird. It’s definitely not something said coaches and the majority of their players are going feel weird doing or feel it’s at all inappropriate aside from directive from school administrator types.

It’s the opposite. It has always been the norm, especially in athletics where imo evangelical and religious types are far more common.

that's precisely missing the point: the problem isn't that some "coaches and the majority of their players aren't going to feel weird doing it"...it's about the minority that is coerced into going along with something that violates their own religious beliefs

and ftr, i'm not convinced that this is all that common...i grew up in a red state (not KS, not deep south) and i don't remember any prayer at games, home or away...


 

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: capitol riot
« on: June 27, 2022, 04:36:17 PM »
attempted murderer of guiliani....


speaking of watkins tho--i saw somewhere that "Q" is posting again

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 02:38:43 PM »
right, "voluntary" is def in quotes...  which is admittedly hard to see if u are a member of the majority

anyway


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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 01:11:00 PM »
this is gonna be every dude with confused sperm now thanks to Dobbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voMRB3MuDjE

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 01:06:07 PM »
If coaches, teachers, and anyone else wants to pray at school, it should be done at times when they are not actively in charge of kids or in ways that don't involve the kids.

My coach did this pregame, every game, as a pump up(?) or something like this.  He waited until the team got in a tight circle, we already had captains do their thing in the circle, then he prayed.  I was one of 3-4 non religious kids on the team.  It was weird as eff to me and it also very much so was an excluding activity. 

I just don't get why that should be a thing at all.  Do your thing, just stop doing it at times that are not appropriate.  Pray before the team gets there.  Pray at home after the game.  Pray silently in your head where ever the hell you want.  People that don't get this simply don't want to get it.

exactly

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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: AI generated images
« on: June 26, 2022, 10:01:49 PM »

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: MEGA MAGA
« on: June 26, 2022, 09:35:16 PM »
his ancestors must have been (italian) soccer players

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 26, 2022, 07:29:36 PM »
i've encountered plenty of sensitive people online and plenty of shitposters, but have never encountered a more sensitive shitposter...

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Supreme Court Cases Thread
« on: June 26, 2022, 07:18:12 PM »
guy spent $50K cuz he couldnt figure out which hole to put it in and he's out here giving life advice smh


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