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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: pos 'pubs being complete pieces of crap
« on: July 01, 2022, 10:00:05 PM »
the real manly looking broad in the blue is the frontrunner supposedly
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i didn't know until the last year or so how bats he is, my goodness
like spracs said inferences are inextricably part of the legal system.I only got 2 pages in;
"The contested exercise here does not involve
leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy
only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students
after three games in October 2015."
Isn't this what is said is being misconstrued, though? Lots of smart, reasonable people say that the conservative justices lied about the facts of the case. (The same justices who lied under oath about Roe.)
Yes, that's what people are saying but there hasn't been anything actually proven that he was literally coercing his players to pray. The people who say he was coercing the players to pray think that the act of him doing the praying itself constitutes coercion. Despite what dal thinks, I've read a lot about this case, even before the ruling and it has never been said, on the record, that this coach ever verbalized his intent to make the team pray with him or punished someone who didn't.
Again, of course he intended the players on joining him, but schools shouldn't be punishing and courts can't be ruling against inferences. You want to talk about a slippery slope, oooh boy.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/the-myth-at-the-heart-of-the-praying-bremerton-coach-case/
Pretty good summary of the coach praying case.
So how did this happen? Were these facts not included in the record on appeal? How did SCOTUS mangle the facts so badly? As they say, bad facts make bad law.
you are completely misreading it the case. (or, more likely, not reading the case, just commentary about it.)what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer? I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.
He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.
I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue. I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.
u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent. read it. suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.
I'm not buying any spin, I've yet to read a single quote about this case, before or after the ruling, that contended that this coach mandated prayer for anyone.
Yes, the heart of this issue is conservative culture war bullshit, but once again, telling a public school employee that they can't pray at their place of work would have had ramifications far beyond the religious right. I taught with a teacher who prayed in her classroom during Ramadan, of course no one was there when she did it, but if that ruling wasn't affirmed, she 109% would have lost the opportunity to pray, alone, in her classroom.
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what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer? I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.
He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.
I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue. I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.
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— molly taft (@mollytaft) June 27, 2022
Praying in circles before or after games isn’t weird. It’s definitely not something said coaches and the majority of their players are going feel weird doing or feel it’s at all inappropriate aside from directive from school administrator types.
It’s the opposite. It has always been the norm, especially in athletics where imo evangelical and religious types are far more common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voMRB3MuDjE
If coaches, teachers, and anyone else wants to pray at school, it should be done at times when they are not actively in charge of kids or in ways that don't involve the kids.
My coach did this pregame, every game, as a pump up(?) or something like this. He waited until the team got in a tight circle, we already had captains do their thing in the circle, then he prayed. I was one of 3-4 non religious kids on the team. It was weird as eff to me and it also very much so was an excluding activity.
I just don't get why that should be a thing at all. Do your thing, just stop doing it at times that are not appropriate. Pray before the team gets there. Pray at home after the game. Pray silently in your head where ever the hell you want. People that don't get this simply don't want to get it.
— Weird Dall-E Mini Generations (@weirddalle) June 22, 2022