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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Baylor @ OU ppd (official sys loves Drew thread)
« on: February 01, 2011, 03:29:39 PM »
tonight's game has been postponed b/c of the storm until tomorrow, 3pm.
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Essentially Flyertalk / Supreme Court Justice Stalking- January 27th Edition
« on: January 27, 2011, 08:39:22 AM »
just another supreme court justice/big time washington polictico making the mandatory trip to MHK.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/27/2613469/justice-sotomayor-to-answer-questions.html
Justice Sotomayor to answer questions at Kansas State
MANHATTAN, Kan. | U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor is visiting Kansas State University to field questions during a forum.
Thursday afternoon's event is part of Kansas State's Landon Lecture series, although Sotomayor is not delivering a speech. She'll answer questions instead from two federal judges and the student body president.
Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Barack Obama and has served since August 2009. She served previously as both a federal district and appellate court judge. She's also a former New York county prosecutor.
The lecture series is named for Kansas Gov. Alf Landon, the 1936 Republican nominee for president. Landon died in 1987.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/01/27/2613469/justice-sotomayor-to-answer-questions.html
Justice Sotomayor to answer questions at Kansas State
MANHATTAN, Kan. | U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor is visiting Kansas State University to field questions during a forum.
Thursday afternoon's event is part of Kansas State's Landon Lecture series, although Sotomayor is not delivering a speech. She'll answer questions instead from two federal judges and the student body president.
Sotomayor was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Barack Obama and has served since August 2009. She served previously as both a federal district and appellate court judge. She's also a former New York county prosecutor.
The lecture series is named for Kansas Gov. Alf Landon, the 1936 Republican nominee for president. Landon died in 1987.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / KU Head Basketball Coach Bill Seff, Master Cheater also Bigtime Pussy
« on: January 26, 2011, 05:19:08 PM »
hopefully this massive a-hole keeps his cool this weekend when we're running them out of the gym and doesn't turn the game into a "i'm the biggest a-hole in the world" parade.
note to bill seff- please heed the advice given above. dumbass
NOTE TO READERS OF THIS POST: please read this entire post or please don't bother posting in this thread because i will get pissed and possibly mod you.
University of Kansas Basketball: A History of Cheating -
A chronological timeline of Bill Self's tenure at KU.
2003 Off-season
Roy Williams takes the head coaching job at North Carolina.
Bill Self leaves Illinois and is introduced as Kansas basketball coach.
Darnell Jackson becomes Self's first commit to Kansas as after receiving over $5,000 in illegal benefits by KU booster Don Davis during his recruitment. The benefits happened between the fall of 2002 and the spring of 2005. The benefits included impermissible transportation, meals and lodging for Jackson and his family, gifts and a personal loan.
2004 Off-season
Omar Wilkes, Moulaye Niang, David Padgett announce they are transferring from the Kansas basketball program.
Kurtis Townsend is hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend's experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history, which landed the school on 3 years probation. He followed that up as an assistant at Michigan (1998-2001) during the greatest recruiting scandal in the history of the NCAA, which resulted in four years of major sanctions for the school. As a bonus to the Kansas basketball program, Townsend brought along with him recruit C.J. Giles, formerly committed to USC when Townsend was coaching there. However, when Townsend left USC for Miami, G.J. Giles transferred along with him to Miami. Once Townsend was fired at Miami, C.J. Giles again transferred with him, this time to Kansas. More on Townsend in a future post, but here's a preview. Slimy? You decide. I think the answer is quite obvious.
Julian Wright commits to Kansas without ever visiting campus. Wright, who had previously eliminated Kansas from his list, apparently and inexplicably changed his mind and committed on the spot during a Self and Townsend in-home visit. Scheduled visits to various other schools
are abruptly canceled.
Perhaps not surprisingly, Rodrick Stewart, another one of Townsend's former players and recruits, transfers to Kansas from USC. For more on this story, http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/176969_locke09.html.
2004-05 season
Self manages to accomplish something that hasn't been done at KU since 1978, as Kansas is shocked in first round of NCAA tournament (64-63) by 14th seed Bucknell. It is the first NCAA tournament victory ever for Bucknell's entire conference, and the first win by a 14 seed since 1999. The preseason #1 team ends its season by losing to a team with only 5 scholarship players. Illinois goes 37-2 and reaches the NCAA title game.
2005 Off-season
Alex Galindo and Nick Bahe announce they are transferring from the Kansas basketball program.
A measly 300 fans show up for Kansas basketball awards ceremony. The majority of the seating for 2,024 remains empty; "The ones who didn't show up can sit behind their desk, their computers or whatever and complain till next season," said Keith Langford.
A highly publicized bar fight involving starting guard J.R. Giddens occurs. (Type "JR Giddens Moon Bar" into Google and you get 2,750 results.) Multiple witnesses report that Giddens was the primary instigator in an attack that saw 10-12 people beat Olathe resident Jeremiah Creswell with fists, bricks and bottles. Saying he was trying to defend himself, Creswell brandished a knife and stabbed Giddens and four others. Witnesses said KU forward C.J. Giles also threw a punch and tossed bricks at Creswell as he lay defenseless on the ground
getting stomped.
At some point in June, the Kansas athletic department receives an anonymous tip regarding improprieties centering around J.R. Giddens and NCAA recruiting violations. Ronnie Chalmers, previously a high school coach in Alaska with only 5 years of experience, but more importantly, recruit Mario Chalmers' father, is announced as Director of Kansas Basketball Operations. His
son also elects to come to Lawrence.
Keith Langford and Aaron Miles, never able to adjust to Bill Self's slow and methodical hi-low offense, go undrafted in the 2005 NBA draft. Known for his lack of sportsmanship and being on scholarship despite stealing felony amounts of merchandise from Wal-Mart, J.R. Giddens has
developed into a one dimensional player and is thus becoming expendable given all the off the court issues he brings to the table. Giddens announces he is leaving the Kansas basketball program under request from Self to get a fresh start elsewhere. With only walk-on Christian Moody averaging more than 1 rebound a game at the D1 level of the returning players, CJ Giles remains on KU's team.
Among other undisclosed violations and disclosed violations, such as the discovery of massive and rampant academic fraud within Kansas' football program, Kansas announces that it also discovered that its basketball staff had traditionally engaged in a practice of allowing
monetary payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility, in violation of NCAA rules. A self-imposed two year probation is levied against their athletic department. Other sanctions are levied against women's basketball and men's football. Curiously, men's basketball escapes all self-imposed punishment.
Rodrick Stewart suffers gash on head after having a bottle smashed over his head during a fight at a Lawrence, Kansas bar.
Brandon Rush commits to Kansas basketball program. Rush narrowed his college choices to Illinois and Oklahoma. Rumors are that he couldn't qualify at Illinois or Oklahoma. He decided he would have to enter the draft straight from high school as he couldn't qualify at a D1 university, except it looked as though he wouldn't be a first round selection, something his brother already had happen to him. His brothers talked him out of it. Two weeks after school started he got into KU and even though he at times carried a 0.0 GPA in high school managed to get a 3.6 at KU while missing the first two weeks of classes. This strangely coincided with the same time frame which their compliance department was noted to be severely understaffed and inadequate by the NCAA and academic fraud was occurring.
Sherron Collins commits to Kansas amidst various media reports that he was steered by his coach Anthony Longstreet, (More on Longstreet in a future post), considered by Chicago Public League coaches as the new Landon "Sonny" Cox for his ability to recruit players to Crane. Scheduled visits promised to various other schools are abruptly canceled. Afterward, Longstreet, without being prompted or even accused of taking money, bizarrely challenged local sportswriters to "get the proof, produce the canceled check.'' Thereafter, Longstreet refused to ever speak again on the subject. He explained, "Right now, I've been told to be quiet because
this stuff is getting too ugly."
Darnell Jackson is ruled ineligible by NCAA Eligibility Committee for nine games for receipt of $5,000 in benefits from a Kansas booster over a three year period while being recruited by Kansas.
A cbssportsline.com article suggests that J.R. Giddens is also ultimately wrapped up in the Darnell Jackson scandal, questioning: "Did Don Davis also have a "relationship" with Jackson's best friend and former AAU teammate, J.R. Giddens, the McDonald's All-American who signed with Kansas in 2003? Because if the answer is yes, Kansas has a big, big, big problem."
2005-2006 Season
Kansas loses to Nevada at home, 72-70, falling to a record of 2-3 for the first time in over 30 years. After the game, ESPN TV cameras captured an exchange between Kansas University assistant coach Joe Dooley and 19 year old Nevada player Nick Fazekas. When Fazekas
held out his hand to shake Dooley's in an apparent show of sportsmanship, Dooley instead screamed "F*** YOU!!!!" directly at Fazekas. Afterward, Coach Bill Self reprimanded Dooley stating: "Obviously, in a hotly contested game like this one, emotions were high after the game. Coach Joe Dooley responded in an inappropriate manner to an exchange with a Nevada player." Coach Dooley added: "I have great respect for the Nevada team. They played well tonight. I
responded in a negative manner to something that was said to me following the game. I certainly apologize to the Nevada program and this is not the manner in which Kansas basketball should be represented."
Reports surface regarding an NCAA investigation into potential violations involving Kansas freshman Brandon Rush. The potential violations centered around Rush's involvement with an agent and possible payment of travel expenses by NBA teams the previous summer during Rush's workouts with the teams.
The NCAA suspends Brandon Rush after the NCAA determined that he had improperly received benefits from an agent after applying for the 2005 NBA draft. An appeal by Kansas is granted within one day and Rush is re-instated without missing any games.
Kansas loses to in-state rival Kansas State at home, 59-55.
Micah Downs announces he is transferring from the Kansas basketball program.
Following up the once in the last 20 year accomplishment of losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament, Self manages to again accomplish this feat by losing to Bradley, 77-73. Considerable pressure mounts as "win at all costs" goes into full effect when the fan base begins to call for his firing.
2006 Off-season
Christian Moody becomes the first Jayhawk player since the 1980s to not be eligible for his graduation checks from alumni, as the pending investigation causes KU to cease such open forms of paying their players. Later, his agent writes a note requesting video of him missing free throws to lose a game to Missouri be taken down from youtube.com as he feels it is hindering his client from finding gainful employment.
The NCAA responds that KU failed to demonstrate Institutional control and that the minor violations self reported in basketball in KU's report do not seem to be all-inclusive.
KU is placed on probation for major violations across multiple sports and for Lack of Institutional Control. The committee seems impressed with KU's innovative strategy of eliminating the middleman (by electing to not maintain a compliance department, KU didn't detect or report
violations in a timely manner, which resulted in them being able to claim a statue of limitations on many violations and go unpunished), however they are still charged with:
•Illegal payments given to potential recruits
•Illegal payments given to current players with the approval of coaching staff
•Illegal payments given to players after eligibility is exhausted
•Providing illegal transportation to recruits Providing illegal clothing and other benefits to recruits
•Providing illegal transportation to family members of recruits
•Making special arrangements to facilitate a vehicle for family members of recruits.
•Academic Fraud
•Failure to report violations
•Failure to employ a compliance auditor
•Negligence to provide adequate oversight
•Lack of Institutional Control
KU is placed on three years probation including reduction in the total of grants-in-aid award in the men's basketball program to no more than 12 during the 2007-08 and 2008-09 seasons. Also reduced the total of official paid visits by a total of eight from the maximum number allowed during the 2006-07 and 2007-8 academic years, dissociation of a representative of the university's athletics interest for a period of four years, and annual compliance reporting required.
Summation: probation and a reduction in 2 scholarships to be taken in the years KU chooses for the above violations.
CJ Giles is suspended indefinitely.
Giles re-instated to team, then 5 days later kicked off team for misdemeanor battery to his girlfriend.
2006-2007 Season
Despite what most consider Self's best coaching job to date, he is under enormous pressure as the NCAA tournament get underway as most feel a repeat of the last two years will cost him his job. Self's Jayhawks do advance before being knocked out by UCLA, 68-55.
2007-2008 Season
Brandon Rush arrested for failing to appear in court. The hearing is ultimately delayed until after the basketball season.
Self leads the Jayhawks to their first loss to KSU in Manhattan in 24 years, 84-75.
KU is awarded a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament despite beating zero top 25 RPI teams in the regular season. They benefit by this strange seeding by receiving a draw of playing a 16 seed, an 8 seed, a 12 seed, and a 10 seed to get to the final four.
Self begins to be courted by Oklahoma State to take over their head coaching vacancy. KU beings to make a strong push to retain Self despite the distraction it is causing.
The beneficiaries of a historic collapse by Memphis, who led by nine points with two minutes to play and could have done about five different things to ensure KU had no chance of getting back in the game, KU wins its second national title of the modern era. They are the first team ever to win a championship while on probation for cheating, and every player on KU's roster who played more than 21 minutes in the championship game had a shady story surrounding them.
2008 offseason
Self claims he wants to stay at Kansas, but won't rule out talking to OSU. He elects to stay at KU.
Reports surface that Darell Arthur, KU's leading scorer in the championship game, did not actually pass high school and passed through the NCAA clearinghouse by submitting fraudulent transcripts. If ruled ineligible, per NCAA rules KU would be required to forfeit all games in which Arthur was a participant, which would result in KU being the first ever 40 loss team in a single season, the worst season in the history of the NCAA.
Listing of NCAA rules he was in clear violation of:
10.1 UNETHICAL CONDUCT
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited to, the following:
(d) Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning the individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible
violation of an NCAA regulation;
(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA or institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores)
10.4 DISCIPLINARY ACTION
Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on
Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of eligibility. (See Bylaw 10.3.2 for sanctions of student-athletes involved in violations of 10.3.) Institutional staff members found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action as set forth in Bylaw 19.5.2.2 of the NCAA enforcement procedures, whether such violations occurred at the
certifying institution or during the individual's previous employment at another member institution.
14.01.3.3 Unethical Conduct.
A prospective or enrolled student-athlete who is found to have engaged in unethical conduct (see Bylaw 10.1) shall be ineligible for intercollegiate competition in all sports.
14.11.1 Obligation of Member Institution to Withhold Student-Athlete from Competition.
If a student-athlete is ineligible under the provisions of the constitution, bylaws or other regulations of the Association, the institution shall be obligated to apply immediately
the applicable rule and to withhold the student-athlete from all intercollegiate competition. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of the student-athlete's eligibility as provided in Bylaw 14.12 if it concludes that the circumstances warrant restoration.
June, 2008. A judge rules in favor of the woman Sherron Collins sexually assaulted in an elevator in May of 2007, granting damages in excess of $75,000. She accused him of exposing himself and rubbing against her on May 18, 2007, in an elevator at a University of Kansas apartment complex. Collins does not show up to court.
Ronnie Chalmers, no longer the son of a KU player after Mario declares early for the NBA draft, vacates the Director of Basketball Operations position.
While living in university paid for housing prior to being eligible for scholarship benefits, 18 year old Markieff Morris drunkenly shoots a lady with a BB gun from his dorm room window. No action is taken.
Two weeks after school starts (shades of Brandon Rush before them), the Morris twins are cleared to play basketball for KU. "While it may have taken a bit longer than we had hoped, the important thing is that the process worked," Self said regarding having them take classes in
Lawrence.
Dallas School District re-opens case regarding Arthur not really being a college eligible player. Ashmore, Arthur's Math teacher said when Arthur was failing Algebra I as a freshman in the fall of 2002, his coach asked for leniency. Ashmore said when he refused, Arthur was
abruptly moved to another class. A closer examination of Arthur's grades reveal that his English III grades of 75, 60, 70 and 65 don't actually add up to a 70 as is reflected on his transcript. In fact, the average should be 67.5, meaning he should have failed the course that is needed to graduate. "Like I said, he [Arthur] just kind of checked out that third six weeks," Yourse, his English teacher said. Melanie Kidd was Arthur's theater arts teacher in the fall of 2004.
She said she remembers Arthur failed the course during the final six weeks. Arthur made a grade of 50, she said. According to his transcripts, Arthur's grades for the last six weeks of theater arts are also missing. A block of grades from Arthur's Algebra II were also
missing on the transcript from the fall semester of 2005. All that is present is a final grade, which was changed from "failing" to a passing grade of 70 nine months later in September the following year. NCAA officials have confirmed that if Arthur never officially graduated, his eligibility at Kansas is something that may have to be investigated. My question is: are they investigating it?
2008-09 Season
During a 'no contact period' as defined by NCAA rules, Self pays a visit to John Wall, the #1 unsigned recruit in the nation. To demonstrate his respect for NCAA rules states in front of a witnesses:
Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win."
Confirmation comes in the Darell Arthur case that his grades were artificially changed and that his 'graduation' from high school wasn't legit. Per NCAA rules, that use of an ineligible player results in forfeiture of all games participated. Does that mean that KU falls to 0-78 for the prior two years?
After huge wins over North Dakota State and Dayton, KU loses to Michigan State.
2009 Off-season
Xavier Henry, one of the top five high school players in the class of 2009, commits to KU after John Calipari leaves Memphis for Kentucky. Two weeks ago, KU didn't have any available scholarships to give. Curiously, Tyrone Appleton and Quintrell Thomas announced that they are transferring from KU, apparently to make room for potential incoming recruits Xavier Henry, his brother, and possibly Lance Stephenson. It didn't take long after the transfer announcements for the Henry brothers to commit to KU. Did Appleton and Thomas leave on their own or did Self ask them to leave? You decide. I think it's quite obvious.
note to bill seff- please heed the advice given above. dumbass
NOTE TO READERS OF THIS POST: please read this entire post or please don't bother posting in this thread because i will get pissed and possibly mod you.
University of Kansas Basketball: A History of Cheating -
A chronological timeline of Bill Self's tenure at KU.
2003 Off-season
Roy Williams takes the head coaching job at North Carolina.
Bill Self leaves Illinois and is introduced as Kansas basketball coach.
Darnell Jackson becomes Self's first commit to Kansas as after receiving over $5,000 in illegal benefits by KU booster Don Davis during his recruitment. The benefits happened between the fall of 2002 and the spring of 2005. The benefits included impermissible transportation, meals and lodging for Jackson and his family, gifts and a personal loan.
2004 Off-season
Omar Wilkes, Moulaye Niang, David Padgett announce they are transferring from the Kansas basketball program.
Kurtis Townsend is hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend's experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history, which landed the school on 3 years probation. He followed that up as an assistant at Michigan (1998-2001) during the greatest recruiting scandal in the history of the NCAA, which resulted in four years of major sanctions for the school. As a bonus to the Kansas basketball program, Townsend brought along with him recruit C.J. Giles, formerly committed to USC when Townsend was coaching there. However, when Townsend left USC for Miami, G.J. Giles transferred along with him to Miami. Once Townsend was fired at Miami, C.J. Giles again transferred with him, this time to Kansas. More on Townsend in a future post, but here's a preview. Slimy? You decide. I think the answer is quite obvious.
Julian Wright commits to Kansas without ever visiting campus. Wright, who had previously eliminated Kansas from his list, apparently and inexplicably changed his mind and committed on the spot during a Self and Townsend in-home visit. Scheduled visits to various other schools
are abruptly canceled.
Perhaps not surprisingly, Rodrick Stewart, another one of Townsend's former players and recruits, transfers to Kansas from USC. For more on this story, http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/176969_locke09.html.
2004-05 season
Self manages to accomplish something that hasn't been done at KU since 1978, as Kansas is shocked in first round of NCAA tournament (64-63) by 14th seed Bucknell. It is the first NCAA tournament victory ever for Bucknell's entire conference, and the first win by a 14 seed since 1999. The preseason #1 team ends its season by losing to a team with only 5 scholarship players. Illinois goes 37-2 and reaches the NCAA title game.
2005 Off-season
Alex Galindo and Nick Bahe announce they are transferring from the Kansas basketball program.
A measly 300 fans show up for Kansas basketball awards ceremony. The majority of the seating for 2,024 remains empty; "The ones who didn't show up can sit behind their desk, their computers or whatever and complain till next season," said Keith Langford.
A highly publicized bar fight involving starting guard J.R. Giddens occurs. (Type "JR Giddens Moon Bar" into Google and you get 2,750 results.) Multiple witnesses report that Giddens was the primary instigator in an attack that saw 10-12 people beat Olathe resident Jeremiah Creswell with fists, bricks and bottles. Saying he was trying to defend himself, Creswell brandished a knife and stabbed Giddens and four others. Witnesses said KU forward C.J. Giles also threw a punch and tossed bricks at Creswell as he lay defenseless on the ground
getting stomped.
At some point in June, the Kansas athletic department receives an anonymous tip regarding improprieties centering around J.R. Giddens and NCAA recruiting violations. Ronnie Chalmers, previously a high school coach in Alaska with only 5 years of experience, but more importantly, recruit Mario Chalmers' father, is announced as Director of Kansas Basketball Operations. His
son also elects to come to Lawrence.
Keith Langford and Aaron Miles, never able to adjust to Bill Self's slow and methodical hi-low offense, go undrafted in the 2005 NBA draft. Known for his lack of sportsmanship and being on scholarship despite stealing felony amounts of merchandise from Wal-Mart, J.R. Giddens has
developed into a one dimensional player and is thus becoming expendable given all the off the court issues he brings to the table. Giddens announces he is leaving the Kansas basketball program under request from Self to get a fresh start elsewhere. With only walk-on Christian Moody averaging more than 1 rebound a game at the D1 level of the returning players, CJ Giles remains on KU's team.
Among other undisclosed violations and disclosed violations, such as the discovery of massive and rampant academic fraud within Kansas' football program, Kansas announces that it also discovered that its basketball staff had traditionally engaged in a practice of allowing
monetary payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility, in violation of NCAA rules. A self-imposed two year probation is levied against their athletic department. Other sanctions are levied against women's basketball and men's football. Curiously, men's basketball escapes all self-imposed punishment.
Rodrick Stewart suffers gash on head after having a bottle smashed over his head during a fight at a Lawrence, Kansas bar.
Brandon Rush commits to Kansas basketball program. Rush narrowed his college choices to Illinois and Oklahoma. Rumors are that he couldn't qualify at Illinois or Oklahoma. He decided he would have to enter the draft straight from high school as he couldn't qualify at a D1 university, except it looked as though he wouldn't be a first round selection, something his brother already had happen to him. His brothers talked him out of it. Two weeks after school started he got into KU and even though he at times carried a 0.0 GPA in high school managed to get a 3.6 at KU while missing the first two weeks of classes. This strangely coincided with the same time frame which their compliance department was noted to be severely understaffed and inadequate by the NCAA and academic fraud was occurring.
Sherron Collins commits to Kansas amidst various media reports that he was steered by his coach Anthony Longstreet, (More on Longstreet in a future post), considered by Chicago Public League coaches as the new Landon "Sonny" Cox for his ability to recruit players to Crane. Scheduled visits promised to various other schools are abruptly canceled. Afterward, Longstreet, without being prompted or even accused of taking money, bizarrely challenged local sportswriters to "get the proof, produce the canceled check.'' Thereafter, Longstreet refused to ever speak again on the subject. He explained, "Right now, I've been told to be quiet because
this stuff is getting too ugly."
Darnell Jackson is ruled ineligible by NCAA Eligibility Committee for nine games for receipt of $5,000 in benefits from a Kansas booster over a three year period while being recruited by Kansas.
A cbssportsline.com article suggests that J.R. Giddens is also ultimately wrapped up in the Darnell Jackson scandal, questioning: "Did Don Davis also have a "relationship" with Jackson's best friend and former AAU teammate, J.R. Giddens, the McDonald's All-American who signed with Kansas in 2003? Because if the answer is yes, Kansas has a big, big, big problem."
2005-2006 Season
Kansas loses to Nevada at home, 72-70, falling to a record of 2-3 for the first time in over 30 years. After the game, ESPN TV cameras captured an exchange between Kansas University assistant coach Joe Dooley and 19 year old Nevada player Nick Fazekas. When Fazekas
held out his hand to shake Dooley's in an apparent show of sportsmanship, Dooley instead screamed "F*** YOU!!!!" directly at Fazekas. Afterward, Coach Bill Self reprimanded Dooley stating: "Obviously, in a hotly contested game like this one, emotions were high after the game. Coach Joe Dooley responded in an inappropriate manner to an exchange with a Nevada player." Coach Dooley added: "I have great respect for the Nevada team. They played well tonight. I
responded in a negative manner to something that was said to me following the game. I certainly apologize to the Nevada program and this is not the manner in which Kansas basketball should be represented."
Reports surface regarding an NCAA investigation into potential violations involving Kansas freshman Brandon Rush. The potential violations centered around Rush's involvement with an agent and possible payment of travel expenses by NBA teams the previous summer during Rush's workouts with the teams.
The NCAA suspends Brandon Rush after the NCAA determined that he had improperly received benefits from an agent after applying for the 2005 NBA draft. An appeal by Kansas is granted within one day and Rush is re-instated without missing any games.
Kansas loses to in-state rival Kansas State at home, 59-55.
Micah Downs announces he is transferring from the Kansas basketball program.
Following up the once in the last 20 year accomplishment of losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament, Self manages to again accomplish this feat by losing to Bradley, 77-73. Considerable pressure mounts as "win at all costs" goes into full effect when the fan base begins to call for his firing.
2006 Off-season
Christian Moody becomes the first Jayhawk player since the 1980s to not be eligible for his graduation checks from alumni, as the pending investigation causes KU to cease such open forms of paying their players. Later, his agent writes a note requesting video of him missing free throws to lose a game to Missouri be taken down from youtube.com as he feels it is hindering his client from finding gainful employment.
The NCAA responds that KU failed to demonstrate Institutional control and that the minor violations self reported in basketball in KU's report do not seem to be all-inclusive.
KU is placed on probation for major violations across multiple sports and for Lack of Institutional Control. The committee seems impressed with KU's innovative strategy of eliminating the middleman (by electing to not maintain a compliance department, KU didn't detect or report
violations in a timely manner, which resulted in them being able to claim a statue of limitations on many violations and go unpunished), however they are still charged with:
•Illegal payments given to potential recruits
•Illegal payments given to current players with the approval of coaching staff
•Illegal payments given to players after eligibility is exhausted
•Providing illegal transportation to recruits Providing illegal clothing and other benefits to recruits
•Providing illegal transportation to family members of recruits
•Making special arrangements to facilitate a vehicle for family members of recruits.
•Academic Fraud
•Failure to report violations
•Failure to employ a compliance auditor
•Negligence to provide adequate oversight
•Lack of Institutional Control
KU is placed on three years probation including reduction in the total of grants-in-aid award in the men's basketball program to no more than 12 during the 2007-08 and 2008-09 seasons. Also reduced the total of official paid visits by a total of eight from the maximum number allowed during the 2006-07 and 2007-8 academic years, dissociation of a representative of the university's athletics interest for a period of four years, and annual compliance reporting required.
Summation: probation and a reduction in 2 scholarships to be taken in the years KU chooses for the above violations.
CJ Giles is suspended indefinitely.
Giles re-instated to team, then 5 days later kicked off team for misdemeanor battery to his girlfriend.
2006-2007 Season
Despite what most consider Self's best coaching job to date, he is under enormous pressure as the NCAA tournament get underway as most feel a repeat of the last two years will cost him his job. Self's Jayhawks do advance before being knocked out by UCLA, 68-55.
2007-2008 Season
Brandon Rush arrested for failing to appear in court. The hearing is ultimately delayed until after the basketball season.
Self leads the Jayhawks to their first loss to KSU in Manhattan in 24 years, 84-75.
KU is awarded a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament despite beating zero top 25 RPI teams in the regular season. They benefit by this strange seeding by receiving a draw of playing a 16 seed, an 8 seed, a 12 seed, and a 10 seed to get to the final four.
Self begins to be courted by Oklahoma State to take over their head coaching vacancy. KU beings to make a strong push to retain Self despite the distraction it is causing.
The beneficiaries of a historic collapse by Memphis, who led by nine points with two minutes to play and could have done about five different things to ensure KU had no chance of getting back in the game, KU wins its second national title of the modern era. They are the first team ever to win a championship while on probation for cheating, and every player on KU's roster who played more than 21 minutes in the championship game had a shady story surrounding them.
2008 offseason
Self claims he wants to stay at Kansas, but won't rule out talking to OSU. He elects to stay at KU.
Reports surface that Darell Arthur, KU's leading scorer in the championship game, did not actually pass high school and passed through the NCAA clearinghouse by submitting fraudulent transcripts. If ruled ineligible, per NCAA rules KU would be required to forfeit all games in which Arthur was a participant, which would result in KU being the first ever 40 loss team in a single season, the worst season in the history of the NCAA.
Listing of NCAA rules he was in clear violation of:
10.1 UNETHICAL CONDUCT
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited to, the following:
(d) Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning the individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible
violation of an NCAA regulation;
(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA or institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores)
10.4 DISCIPLINARY ACTION
Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on
Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of eligibility. (See Bylaw 10.3.2 for sanctions of student-athletes involved in violations of 10.3.) Institutional staff members found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action as set forth in Bylaw 19.5.2.2 of the NCAA enforcement procedures, whether such violations occurred at the
certifying institution or during the individual's previous employment at another member institution.
14.01.3.3 Unethical Conduct.
A prospective or enrolled student-athlete who is found to have engaged in unethical conduct (see Bylaw 10.1) shall be ineligible for intercollegiate competition in all sports.
14.11.1 Obligation of Member Institution to Withhold Student-Athlete from Competition.
If a student-athlete is ineligible under the provisions of the constitution, bylaws or other regulations of the Association, the institution shall be obligated to apply immediately
the applicable rule and to withhold the student-athlete from all intercollegiate competition. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of the student-athlete's eligibility as provided in Bylaw 14.12 if it concludes that the circumstances warrant restoration.
June, 2008. A judge rules in favor of the woman Sherron Collins sexually assaulted in an elevator in May of 2007, granting damages in excess of $75,000. She accused him of exposing himself and rubbing against her on May 18, 2007, in an elevator at a University of Kansas apartment complex. Collins does not show up to court.
Ronnie Chalmers, no longer the son of a KU player after Mario declares early for the NBA draft, vacates the Director of Basketball Operations position.
While living in university paid for housing prior to being eligible for scholarship benefits, 18 year old Markieff Morris drunkenly shoots a lady with a BB gun from his dorm room window. No action is taken.
Two weeks after school starts (shades of Brandon Rush before them), the Morris twins are cleared to play basketball for KU. "While it may have taken a bit longer than we had hoped, the important thing is that the process worked," Self said regarding having them take classes in
Lawrence.
Dallas School District re-opens case regarding Arthur not really being a college eligible player. Ashmore, Arthur's Math teacher said when Arthur was failing Algebra I as a freshman in the fall of 2002, his coach asked for leniency. Ashmore said when he refused, Arthur was
abruptly moved to another class. A closer examination of Arthur's grades reveal that his English III grades of 75, 60, 70 and 65 don't actually add up to a 70 as is reflected on his transcript. In fact, the average should be 67.5, meaning he should have failed the course that is needed to graduate. "Like I said, he [Arthur] just kind of checked out that third six weeks," Yourse, his English teacher said. Melanie Kidd was Arthur's theater arts teacher in the fall of 2004.
She said she remembers Arthur failed the course during the final six weeks. Arthur made a grade of 50, she said. According to his transcripts, Arthur's grades for the last six weeks of theater arts are also missing. A block of grades from Arthur's Algebra II were also
missing on the transcript from the fall semester of 2005. All that is present is a final grade, which was changed from "failing" to a passing grade of 70 nine months later in September the following year. NCAA officials have confirmed that if Arthur never officially graduated, his eligibility at Kansas is something that may have to be investigated. My question is: are they investigating it?
2008-09 Season
During a 'no contact period' as defined by NCAA rules, Self pays a visit to John Wall, the #1 unsigned recruit in the nation. To demonstrate his respect for NCAA rules states in front of a witnesses:
Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win."
Confirmation comes in the Darell Arthur case that his grades were artificially changed and that his 'graduation' from high school wasn't legit. Per NCAA rules, that use of an ineligible player results in forfeiture of all games participated. Does that mean that KU falls to 0-78 for the prior two years?
After huge wins over North Dakota State and Dayton, KU loses to Michigan State.
2009 Off-season
Xavier Henry, one of the top five high school players in the class of 2009, commits to KU after John Calipari leaves Memphis for Kentucky. Two weeks ago, KU didn't have any available scholarships to give. Curiously, Tyrone Appleton and Quintrell Thomas announced that they are transferring from KU, apparently to make room for potential incoming recruits Xavier Henry, his brother, and possibly Lance Stephenson. It didn't take long after the transfer announcements for the Henry brothers to commit to KU. Did Appleton and Thomas leave on their own or did Self ask them to leave? You decide. I think it's quite obvious.
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Essentially Flyertalk / favorite nectar thread
« on: January 23, 2011, 01:44:01 PM »
pomegranate 
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / KU - The most overrated team in the history of ratings?
« on: January 23, 2011, 01:42:57 PM »
I've seen a lot of garbage basketball in my day but I think that KU's game against UT yesterday set the game back. Seriously I don't think i've seen a worse example of how "basketball" is supposed to be played. After the loss from the hawks (thanks for showing up Jayhawks LMAO) I was talking to a bud of mine and we both agreed that there has never been a worse team that's as highly ranked as this year's Hawk team.
do you guys agree?
do you guys agree?
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Silver Lining For KATFANZ Still Melting Down
« on: January 13, 2011, 06:23:02 PM »
listen up KATFANZ that are still melting down, in your darkest hour you still get to cheer for the ksucats. i mean, how bad could things be?
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Frank is building depth
« on: January 12, 2011, 10:27:46 PM »
hence the line up he challenged the team with when we were up double digits in the first half.
don't worry hoopsfan, this team will be prepped when it really matters, and deeper than any team in the country.
don't worry hoopsfan, this team will be prepped when it really matters, and deeper than any team in the country.
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Kansas State Football / Leavitt settles his lawsuit with USF for $2.75M
« on: January 11, 2011, 09:29:17 PM »
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/january/193246/Former-USF-head-coach-settles-lawsuit-for-2.75-million
Last Updated: Tuesday, January 11, 2011
TAMPA --
The University of South Florida reached a settlement deal with former head football coach Jim Leavitt to end his wrongful termination lawsuit Tuesday night.
Leavitt filed the lawsuit after being fired in January of last year.
Attorney Wil Florin, who represented both USF and Leavitt, said the deal includes $2 million for "one year salary and all benefits" plus the $750,000 for "building a highly competitive football program."
Non-state resources will be used to pay for his settlement.
Leavitt had originally asked for as much as $7.1 million, but the $2.75 million finally agreed upon is much more than the $66,000 he was originally paid following his termination for violating school policy.
Leavitt was accused of grabbing a player by the throat and hitting him twice during halftime of a football game in Nov. 2009. Officials said Leavitt also interfered with their investigation.
The former head coach denied all charges against him, claiming wrongful termination.
The settlement of this lawsuit could lead to Leavitt making his way back into the college coaching game.
"I'm grateful for the love and support of my family and all of the great people of Tampa Bay," Leavitt said in a statement issued Tuesday night. "I will always cherish my time at USF and what we built here together."
However, Leavitt will be unable to apply for any USF job in the future.
Last Updated: Tuesday, January 11, 2011
TAMPA --
The University of South Florida reached a settlement deal with former head football coach Jim Leavitt to end his wrongful termination lawsuit Tuesday night.
Leavitt filed the lawsuit after being fired in January of last year.
Attorney Wil Florin, who represented both USF and Leavitt, said the deal includes $2 million for "one year salary and all benefits" plus the $750,000 for "building a highly competitive football program."
Non-state resources will be used to pay for his settlement.
Leavitt had originally asked for as much as $7.1 million, but the $2.75 million finally agreed upon is much more than the $66,000 he was originally paid following his termination for violating school policy.
Leavitt was accused of grabbing a player by the throat and hitting him twice during halftime of a football game in Nov. 2009. Officials said Leavitt also interfered with their investigation.
The former head coach denied all charges against him, claiming wrongful termination.
The settlement of this lawsuit could lead to Leavitt making his way back into the college coaching game.
"I'm grateful for the love and support of my family and all of the great people of Tampa Bay," Leavitt said in a statement issued Tuesday night. "I will always cherish my time at USF and what we built here together."
However, Leavitt will be unable to apply for any USF job in the future.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Q&A w/ Jason Bennett
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / tues night hoops
« on: January 04, 2011, 09:05:51 PM »
ut beating ark 37-24 at halftime (espnu) 
iowa beating ohio state at half 35-29 (big ten network aka greatest network alive ever)
nd beat uconn 73-70
minn beat indiana 67-63
iowa beating ohio state at half 35-29 (big ten network aka greatest network alive ever)
nd beat uconn 73-70
minn beat indiana 67-63
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Essentially Flyertalk / 2011 official bacon thread (no saul bait thread)
« on: January 04, 2011, 07:09:14 PM »
what is your favorite bacon?
mine- burger's smokehouse peppered
if i'm in a pinch/non burger's smokehouse environment, i go with hormel black label
also- i do not like bacon to be too crispy, i'm of the belief that it is done right at the exact moment that it is done. this crispy, extra thick bacon is for idiot hayseeds. thoughts, go cats?
mine- burger's smokehouse peppered
if i'm in a pinch/non burger's smokehouse environment, i go with hormel black label
also- i do not like bacon to be too crispy, i'm of the belief that it is done right at the exact moment that it is done. this crispy, extra thick bacon is for idiot hayseeds. thoughts, go cats?
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Essentially Flyertalk / term replacement
« on: December 28, 2010, 05:25:28 PM »
obviously many of us have officially replaced the term "get drunk" with "PAK"
usage: lets go to the bar and combo fan and get PAK'd, etc
others?
i also like combo fanning around when i'm bored
usage: lets go to the bar and combo fan and get PAK'd, etc
others?
i also like combo fanning around when i'm bored
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Poll: Did Mario Little beat up any women today?
« on: December 22, 2010, 06:35:46 PM »
surely a convicted felon like Mario Little can't go more than a few days without abusing a women, the question is- will he get caught? my guess is that he won't get caught because he probably destroyed any evidence of his actions.
i wonder if he'll get the start tonight against Cal, in Ku's first road game. will masta seff promote felon mario little into a player/coach position before tonight's first road game of the season in the last week if december 2010? sad, really...
i wonder if he'll get the start tonight against Cal, in Ku's first road game. will masta seff promote felon mario little into a player/coach position before tonight's first road game of the season in the last week if december 2010? sad, really...
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / This just in, KU, worst team in league, plays first road game of the season
« on: December 22, 2010, 06:17:43 PM »
look I get the fact that the hayseeds from Lawrentucky are having a down year and will struggle to get into the NCAA tournament this season but it is completely embarrassing that the KU "Hayhawks" are just getting out an playing a road game for the first time and it's almost January. They're making the entire B12 look weak and its pretty embarrassing that Seff and his crew of cheats would wait this long until playing at an opponent's home court.
Even worse is that they choose to play @ Cal, where their former cheat coach porn addict Curt Townsend once coached (it just so happens that he was there during the largest recruiting scandal in the history of the NCAA).
typical Hayhawks, making their older brothers in the B12 embarrassed since the beginning of time.
pretty sad, really....
Even worse is that they choose to play @ Cal, where their former cheat coach porn addict Curt Townsend once coached (it just so happens that he was there during the largest recruiting scandal in the history of the NCAA).
typical Hayhawks, making their older brothers in the B12 embarrassed since the beginning of time.
pretty sad, really....
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Dear Wally Judge
« on: December 16, 2010, 08:36:20 PM »
Dear Wally Judge,
Over the past week or so members of this message board, including myself, have concerned ourselves with your personal life. We circled like sharks when it was announced that you were temporary leaving the team to deal with off the court issues. We wondered what the problem could be. I realized today that whatever is going on with you, I'm confident you didn't beat up your girlfriend with a sink and assault another girl while on your way to beat up your girlfriend with a sink. I can only assume that since those things didn't happen, that you also didn't assault two dudes, one of which was rough ridin' your girl. There is no one rough ridin' your girl because we are all EMAW.
Anyways, sorry about the 5 page thread where we all rumor mongered. Whatever is going on will work itself out soon enough. And thanks for not beating up your girlfriend with a sink and assaulting another girl while on your way to beat up your girlfriend with a sink and for not assaulting two dudes, one of which was rough ridin' your girl. Because that would be really rough ridin' embarrassing and you seem to be better than that.
From,
'clams
Over the past week or so members of this message board, including myself, have concerned ourselves with your personal life. We circled like sharks when it was announced that you were temporary leaving the team to deal with off the court issues. We wondered what the problem could be. I realized today that whatever is going on with you, I'm confident you didn't beat up your girlfriend with a sink and assault another girl while on your way to beat up your girlfriend with a sink. I can only assume that since those things didn't happen, that you also didn't assault two dudes, one of which was rough ridin' your girl. There is no one rough ridin' your girl because we are all EMAW.
Anyways, sorry about the 5 page thread where we all rumor mongered. Whatever is going on will work itself out soon enough. And thanks for not beating up your girlfriend with a sink and assaulting another girl while on your way to beat up your girlfriend with a sink and for not assaulting two dudes, one of which was rough ridin' your girl. Because that would be really rough ridin' embarrassing and you seem to be better than that.
From,
'clams
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Essentially Flyertalk / hallway and sidewalk walking
« on: December 14, 2010, 09:06:18 AM »
this thread is meant for the dumbasses that don't know how to walk down a hallway or sidewalk.
hallways and sidewalks should be treated like roads. don't walk down the wrong side of the hall and expect me to move out of your way, dumbass. don't expect me to excuse myself for you walking down the wrong side of the hall either, dumbass, because it's not going to happen.
don't walk down the wrong side of the sidewalk while staring at your cell phone or things will get really ugly.
hallways and sidewalks should be treated like roads. don't walk down the wrong side of the hall and expect me to move out of your way, dumbass. don't expect me to excuse myself for you walking down the wrong side of the hall either, dumbass, because it's not going to happen.
don't walk down the wrong side of the sidewalk while staring at your cell phone or things will get really ugly.
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Essentially Flyertalk / favorite cookie thread
« on: December 12, 2010, 06:25:14 PM »
oatmeal scotchies
http://www.verybestbaking.com/recipes/18478/Oatmeal-Scotchies/detail.aspx
Yields: 48 cookies (4 dozen)
Ingredients
* 1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
* 1 teaspoon baking soda
* 1/2 teaspoon salt
* 1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1 cup (2 sticks) butter or margarine, softened
* 3/4 cup granulated sugar
* 3/4 cup packed brown sugar
* 2 large eggs
* 1 teaspoon vanilla extract or grated peel of 1 orange
* 3 cups quick or old-fashioned oats
* 1 2/3 cups (11-oz. pkg.) NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Butterscotch Flavored Morsels
Directions
PREHEAT oven to 375° F.
COMBINE flour, baking soda, salt and cinnamon in small bowl. Beat butter, granulated sugar, brown sugar, eggs and vanilla extract in large mixer bowl. Gradually beat in flour mixture. Stir in oats and morsels. Drop by rounded tablespoon onto ungreased baking sheets.
BAKE for 7 to 8 minutes for chewy cookies or 9 to 10 minutes for crisp cookies. Cool on baking sheets for 2 minutes; remove to wire racks to cool completely.
http://www.verybestbaking.com/recipes/18478/Oatmeal-Scotchies/detail.aspx
Yields: 48 cookies (4 dozen)
Ingredients
* 1 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
* 1 teaspoon baking soda
* 1/2 teaspoon salt
* 1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
* 1 cup (2 sticks) butter or margarine, softened
* 3/4 cup granulated sugar
* 3/4 cup packed brown sugar
* 2 large eggs
* 1 teaspoon vanilla extract or grated peel of 1 orange
* 3 cups quick or old-fashioned oats
* 1 2/3 cups (11-oz. pkg.) NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Butterscotch Flavored Morsels
Directions
PREHEAT oven to 375° F.
COMBINE flour, baking soda, salt and cinnamon in small bowl. Beat butter, granulated sugar, brown sugar, eggs and vanilla extract in large mixer bowl. Gradually beat in flour mixture. Stir in oats and morsels. Drop by rounded tablespoon onto ungreased baking sheets.
BAKE for 7 to 8 minutes for chewy cookies or 9 to 10 minutes for crisp cookies. Cool on baking sheets for 2 minutes; remove to wire racks to cool completely.
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Essentially Flyertalk / Topekaians
« on: December 08, 2010, 03:53:38 PM »
Groupon is launching in Topeka, sign up!
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Poll: Does Rodney McGruder Have The Best Hairstyle and Cut In America?
« on: December 08, 2010, 12:29:53 PM »
Does McOERebounds Have The Best Hairstyle Cut In America?
Please vote with your brain.
Please vote with your brain.
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / pulin internet mvie
« on: December 07, 2010, 10:26:24 PM »472
Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / If you were going to gut the staff, who would you start with?
« on: December 07, 2010, 02:11:52 PM »
i'm not trying to imply that only one of these underachievers deserves to be fired, because quite honestly there are several on staff that should be run out of town. however, i think we can all agree that the measure of incompetence is not level across the staff and that some deserve to go before others.
who would you fire first?
you have this collection of lube drippings to choose from-
who would you fire first?
you have this collection of lube drippings to choose from-
- Frank Martin - Head Coach
- Dalonte Hill - Associate Head Coach
- Brad Underwood - Assistant Coach
- Matt Figger - Assistant Coach
- Andy Assaley - Director of Operations
- Doug Edwards - Director of Student-Athlete Development
- Lamont Evans - Graduate Student Manager
- Scott Greenawalt - Strength and Conditioning Coach
- Dylan Lockwood - Video Coordinator
- Amanda Steffens - Administrative Assistant
- Brandon Yoder - Assistant Athletic Trainer
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
« on: December 02, 2010, 08:14:18 PM »
Ku Ucla game thread
Lets let the home cooking begin!
Lets let the home cooking begin!
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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Jeff Goodman (emaw elite)
« on: November 28, 2010, 10:47:09 PM »
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/my_updated_top_25_ap_poll/3693116
has us at 5 this week.
has us at 5 this week.
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Kansas State Football / New Plate Ideas
« on: November 28, 2010, 11:39:46 AM »
HAWKS-UX
BIGCAT1
LOVEKSU
GILLFAN <---
PARTYCAT
PRPLEMAN
BIGCAT1
LOVEKSU
GILLFAN <---
PARTYCAT
PRPLEMAN