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Title: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on December 06, 2017, 10:14:08 AM
He needs 10 more wins this year to move into 4th place all-time for wins at K-State ahead of Frank Martin.  :driving:

I say he get's win #118 at home against KU on Big Monday.  :bball:




*edited* 4th place all time.  But still a great achievement!





Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Chingon on December 06, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
Gonna get the court named after him.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 06, 2017, 10:20:02 AM
This is the thread I have been waiting for. Let the crap fly boys and girls

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Joker on December 06, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
He needs 10 more wins this year to move into 4th place all-time for wins at K-State ahead of Frank Martin.  :driving:

I say he get's win #118 at home against KU on Big Monday.  :bball:




*edited* 4th place all time.  But still a great achievement!


Why settle for 4th when 1st is available? (probably a oscar motto)

We know oscar is here for the foreseeable future.  No reason he can't sit atop that mountain.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on December 06, 2017, 10:35:24 AM
His body of work speaks for itself on whether he’s one of the best or not.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: I_have_purplewood on December 06, 2017, 10:41:35 AM
He needs 10 more wins this year to move into 4th place all-time for wins at K-State ahead of Frank Martin.  :driving:

I say he get's win #118 at home against KU on Big Monday.  :bball:




*edited* 4th place all time.  But still a great achievement!

I am actually stunned by this.  I can't believe I've become so numb to ball.   :buh-bye: (ftp://:buh-bye:)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on December 06, 2017, 10:54:10 AM
His body of work speaks for itself on whether he’s one of the best or not.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/l2JJHgjz1uaEncXew/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 06, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
First big 12 championship in like over 25 years.  :love: Thanks oscar! :love:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: ChiCat on December 06, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
He needs 10 more wins this year to move into 4th place all-time for wins at K-State ahead of Frank Martin.  :driving:

I say he get's win #118 at home against KU on Big Monday.  :bball:




*edited* 4th place all time.  But still a great achievement!

Not a fair comparison for oscar.  Frank padded his stats with a bunch of tournament wins.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: #LIFE on December 06, 2017, 12:46:56 PM
oscar hasn't made the 2nd weekend of the tournament since he rode Self's boys to a runner up finish  :facepalm:

1 round of 32 appearance in 12 years since Self's players left  :facepalm:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: fun muffin on December 06, 2017, 01:41:33 PM
oscar is 61.   Retirement has to be on the horizon right? 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on December 06, 2017, 01:55:50 PM
unless he takes after Bill, then we get 20 more years of oscar
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 06, 2017, 02:26:35 PM
Why settle for 4th when 1st is available? (probably a oscar motto)

"Why settle for 4th when you don't know how many people/teams are competing for those spots and if you consider there might be at least 6, maybe 8 people/teams going for it 4th place puts you in the top half and is respectable and if a few things go right and the ball bounces your way a few times 3rd might even be available." (probably a oscar motto)

FIFY
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on December 07, 2017, 11:34:10 AM
Quote
Q: Do you have an impression of Coach Weber?

A: Yeah. (Laugh) Whenever I’m on the court, whether the play has to deal with me or not, he’s like, “KAAAAAAMMM! KAAAAAAMMM!” Then I turn around to answer, say, “What?” And he doesn’t say anything sometimes. But then sometimes he’ll tell me to tell other players to do this - he could have called their names, too! But I know where he’s coming from - I’m the point guard, the leader, so he wants me to be that coach on the floor.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: dal9 on December 07, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
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Q: Do you have an impression of Coach Weber?

A: Yeah. (Laugh) Whenever I’m on the court, whether the play has to deal with me or not, he’s like, “KAAAAAAMMM! KAAAAAAMMM!” Then I turn around to answer, say, “What?” And he doesn’t say anything sometimes. But then sometimes he’ll tell me to tell other players to do this - he could have called their names, too! But I know where he’s coming from - I’m the point guard, the leader, so he wants me to be that coach on the floor.
:lol:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on December 07, 2017, 01:19:25 PM
We've come a long way from screaming F bombs and calling players f*cking p*ssies!

10 more wins!! :billdance:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: LickNeckey on December 07, 2017, 01:37:22 PM
i hate you Francis
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on December 07, 2017, 02:28:13 PM
came a long way from being relevant
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on December 07, 2017, 03:14:27 PM
Just a thought.  Maybe Frank gave Willie Catland such a bad connotation in the eyes of parents due to his cussing and hellion hollering the BWeb could not recruit anything but crap.  Now the last 3 years he has gotten solid recruits.   We are on the way up.  After the 3 juniors gradgeeate, then it may be ugly.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: bones129 on December 07, 2017, 11:26:18 PM
came a long way from being relevant

That's what Oscar is good at.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 11, 2017, 01:47:32 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/SxbwjwA6qTzGw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
KAAAAAAAM
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on December 11, 2017, 02:57:14 PM
Wow, this thread could have us looking at remaining games in a way not seen since tracking The Streak.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on December 12, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
Wow, this thread could have us looking at remaining games in a way not seen since tracking The Streak.

Live by the 3.  Die by the 3. 

Operation 4th place current target still holding steady against the squawks.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on December 30, 2017, 01:02:47 PM
7 more!  #countdownto118

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on December 30, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
First ever win in Ames! Sixth time's the charm!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: bones129 on December 30, 2017, 01:49:12 PM
First ever win in Ames! Sixth time's the charm!

The Weber Process. Slow, but sure.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on December 30, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
Realism.
We have a good chance to be good this year and next.
Then what.... no great recruits in the pipeline.
In two years. ..... realism.  Enjoy the ride given to us by Claws, Flush, Deathbite, and Sneed.
Blame Weed Foster for Weber's eventual demise.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: nitrocat on December 30, 2017, 04:28:54 PM
Realism.
We have a good chance to be good this year and next.
Then what.... no great recruits in the pipeline.
In two years. ..... realism.  Enjoy the ride given to us by Claws, Flush, Deathbite, and Sneed.
Blame Weed Foster Weber for Weber's eventual demise.

FIFY
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: stunted on December 30, 2017, 04:52:57 PM
Realism.
We have a good chance to be good this year and next.
Then what.... no great recruits in the pipeline.
In two years. ..... realism.  Enjoy the ride given to us by Claws, Flush, Deathbite, and Sneed.
Blame Weed Foster for Weber's eventual demise.

agreed. not feeling good about weber's chance to strike gold again but let's enjoy these 2 seasons.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on January 04, 2018, 11:55:52 AM
One thing that has never gotten talked about enough is when oscar talks about "the hockey pass", "the assist that leads to the assist". I think he's the only coach I've ever heard talk about this.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on January 04, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Announcers do all the time though...for whatever reason.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: cfbandyman on January 04, 2018, 12:39:26 PM
One thing that has never gotten talked about enough is when oscar talks about "the hockey pass", "the assist that leads to the assist". I think he's the only coach I've ever heard talk about this.

The only time I've ever even heard the hockey pass/assist associated to basketball was one of my favorite K-State Basketball plays OAT where Denis over the back'd it to McGruder to Pullen to Kelly for the DOB.

Announcer even referenced it.

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pvegs on January 04, 2018, 10:05:47 PM
Quote
Q: Do you have an impression of Coach Weber?

A: Yeah. (Laugh) Whenever I’m on the court, whether the play has to deal with me or not, he’s like, “KAAAAAAMMM! KAAAAAAMMM!” Then I turn around to answer, say, “What?” And he doesn’t say anything sometimes. But then sometimes he’ll tell me to tell other players to do this - he could have called their names, too! But I know where he’s coming from - I’m the point guard, the leader, so he wants me to be that coach on the floor.
:lol:

This is hilarious. I honestly here him do it to Barry way more than anyone else.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2018, 10:14:58 PM
Quote
Q: Do you have an impression of Coach Weber?

A: Yeah. (Laugh) Whenever I’m on the court, whether the play has to deal with me or not, he’s like, “KAAAAAAMMM! KAAAAAAMMM!” Then I turn around to answer, say, “What?” And he doesn’t say anything sometimes. But then sometimes he’ll tell me to tell other players to do this - he could have called their names, too! But I know where he’s coming from - I’m the point guard, the leader, so he wants me to be that coach on the floor.
:lol:

This is hilarious. I honestly here him do it to Barry way more than anyone else.
:lol:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2018, 10:15:41 PM
Classic pvegs
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 05, 2018, 07:51:00 AM
I would agree that Oscar yells BARRY alot more than KAM

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Gooch on January 08, 2018, 02:39:25 PM
One thing that has never gotten talked about enough is when oscar talks about "the hockey pass", "the assist that leads to the assist". I think he's the only coach I've ever heard talk about this.

The only time I've ever even heard the hockey pass/assist associated to basketball was one of my favorite K-State Basketball plays OAT where Denis over the back'd it to McGruder to Pullen to Kelly for the DOB.

Announcer even referenced it.


That court was so much better than the trash we have now.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: ChiCat on January 08, 2018, 04:14:00 PM
I almost forgot how fun basketball could be
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 08, 2018, 04:16:30 PM
Those unis were the best the Cats ever dressed out in, both whites and the black ones.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on January 09, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
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Q: Do you have an impression of Coach Weber?

A: Yeah. (Laugh) Whenever I’m on the court, whether the play has to deal with me or not, he’s like, “KAAAAAAMMM! KAAAAAAMMM!” Then I turn around to answer, say, “What?” And he doesn’t say anything sometimes. But then sometimes he’ll tell me to tell other players to do this - he could have called their names, too! But I know where he’s coming from - I’m the point guard, the leader, so he wants me to be that coach on the floor.

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Even more, the native of Kansas City, Missouri, said he first became interested in playing at K-State from watching his older brother face the Wildcats in 2015. The Wildcats topped the Bears, ranked No. 22 at the time, by two in Bramlage Coliseum, and Wainright liked what he saw.

That’s when I really started looking at K-State and thinking, ‘I like how they play. I like how Coach (oscar) Weber coaches.’ He lets the guards and his players play. He pushes them on defense. So I started looking at that, like, ‘I want to be a part of that,’” Wainright said. “Eventually I ended up being a part of it.”
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Cire on January 10, 2018, 05:55:58 AM
Perfect description of the screeching


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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 11, 2018, 08:32:32 AM
(http://toons.artie.com/alphabet/numbers/arg-6-50-trans.gif)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 17, 2018, 08:37:15 AM
(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://kckingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/12/882453266-oral-roberts-v-kansas-state.jpg.jpg&c=sc&w=525&h=375)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 23, 2018, 10:59:33 AM
I missed 4 after the TCU game so here is that one:

(http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2015/01/31/ku_bkc_ksu_19_t960.JPG?b8ea04f16efcb7dc07c41fa674167d6870b19a92)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 23, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
Great road win against Baylor!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYwUSPmauCde0_cdpBdZJ8_Udz4KQYn6EkB3lWktKDJx22bYL4)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 23, 2018, 11:02:46 AM
Wow! :love:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 07, 2018, 10:14:21 PM
I really suck at this.  Missed the Georgia victory.

(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/004/152/652/a64859cd737bcf846aa06ef7ad47320d_crop_exact.jpg?h=533&w=800&q=70&crop_x=center&crop_y=top)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 07, 2018, 10:15:37 PM
Great road win @ Texas!

One win away!

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/usp_ncaa_basketball__kansas_state_at_kansas_70467062-e1422736165198.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
You rough ridin' oscar apologist piece of crap bad person. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: cat97 on February 07, 2018, 10:24:28 PM
Shaka wasn't too smart tonight. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Chingon on February 07, 2018, 10:31:08 PM
Biggest win in almost three years
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: schreds21 on February 07, 2018, 10:32:26 PM
So I have come to the conclusion that all of the Big XII coaches with the exception of Self have colluded to allow Weber to win just enough games to keep his job, thus ensuring that Kstate is never a viable threat in the conference.  Self will only fall on the sword when it doesn't jeopardize a confy championship or if it looks like Weber may really be in trouble
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 07, 2018, 10:47:52 PM
There's a lot of irony is Oscar missing on the recruitment of Roach.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 06:17:04 AM
You rough ridin' oscar apologist piece of crap bad person.

(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/weber.jpg)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pvegs on February 08, 2018, 08:07:25 AM
truly feels like there are no predictions anymore. there's only the randomness of the oscar lotto machine.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Chingon on February 08, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
Sometime in late Dec 2019 oscar Weber will become the third winningest coach in KSU hoops.

In 2024 oscar will set behind only Jack Hartman.

When he retires in 2026, oscar Weber will walk off of oscar Weber Family Court for the last time as the greatest coach in KSU hoops history. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Sometime in late Dec 2019 oscar Weber will become the third winningest coach in KSU hoops.

In 2024 oscar will set behind only Jack Hartman.

When he retires in 2026, oscar Weber will walk off of oscar Weber Family Court for the last time as the greatest coach in KSU hoops history. 

He should do the Pullen "kiss the floor" thing as a final eff you for Jake's tweet.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: schreds21 on February 08, 2018, 11:41:23 AM
Sometime in late Dec 2019 oscar Weber will become the third winningest coach in KSU hoops.

In 2024 oscar will set behind only Jack Hartman.

When he retires in 2026, oscar Weber will walk off of oscar Weber Family Court for the last time as the greatest coach in KSU hoops history.
God damn you Chingon.  Damn you to hell.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
Sometime in late Dec 2019 oscar Weber will become the third winningest coach in KSU hoops.

In 2024 oscar will set behind only Jack Hartman.

When he retires in 2026, oscar Weber will walk off of oscar Weber Family Court for the last time as the greatest coach in KSU hoops history.

 :nono:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 08, 2018, 12:34:01 PM
Sometime in late Dec 2019 oscar Weber will become the third winningest coach in KSU hoops.

In 2024 oscar will set behind only Jack Hartman.

When he retires in 2026, oscar Weber will walk off of oscar Weber Family Court for the last time as the greatest coach in KSU hoops history.

 :nono:
w
When does be become the third-most losingest KSU coach?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Chingon on February 08, 2018, 01:17:06 PM
With his next win he passes Frank.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
What is oscar's conference winning percentage compared to Frank?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 08, 2018, 02:06:27 PM
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/postandcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/09/b090e376-512f-11e7-b7a7-cb799f91afce/5941812e8e944.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C722)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpiL-foVMAAsCKj.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/d9/bf/b2d9bf328d47743a64b89cd6858bac74--oscar-weber-mens-basketball.jpg)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 02:19:42 PM
What is oscar's conference winning percentage compared to Frank?

Big 12 was a cake walk then compared to the juggernaut oscar has to deal with these days.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 08, 2018, 02:34:31 PM
With his next win he passes Frank.

Yep.

This doesn't look too bad actually.

(https://image.ibb.co/j1ZSJx/bruce_weber_court.png)

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
With his next win he passes Frank.

Yep.

This doesn't look too bad actually.

(https://image.ibb.co/j1ZSJx/bruce_weber_court.png)

Did you guys not get the whole picture countdown of oscar holding up fingers for the number of wins he has left before he passes Frank thing I had going on? ???


Also that court!  :love:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 02:57:25 PM
What is oscar's conference winning percentage compared to Frank?

Frank was 50-32 .610
oscar is 51-50 .501

Frank did get the luxury of playing Nebraska, Colorado, and Wayne Morgan's/McNeck's ISU teams 6 of 16 games a year. oscar's schedule is probably good for 2 games a year tougher than what Frank had but he also gets two more chances to pick up wins. All things considered, oscar's results are a lot closer to Frank's than any of us are comfortable with.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 03:02:05 PM
Also not sure where chingon is getting his numbers

Frank in conference was
10-6
9-7
11-5
10-6
10-8
That's 50 wins
oscar is
14-4
10-8
8-8
5-13
8-10
6-5
That's 51 wins
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 08, 2018, 03:09:40 PM
14.32, 17.44, 13.46, 8.18, 14.10, 18.16: x = 14.28
vs
17.52, 17.42, 25.52, 14.18, 18.90: x = 18.71


it's not that close.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2018, 03:13:27 PM
07-08: 3rd out of 12
08-09: 4th out of 12
09-10: 2nd out of 12
10-11: 4th out of 12
11-12: 5th out of 10

12-13: 2nd out of 10
13-14: 5th out of 10
14-15: 8th out of 10 (w)
15-16: 8th out of 10 (w)
16-17: 6th out of 10
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2018, 03:19:24 PM
What is oscar's conference winning percentage compared to Frank?

Frank was 50-32 .610
oscar is 51-50 .501

Frank did get the luxury of playing Nebraska, Colorado, and Wayne Morgan's/McNeck's ISU teams 6 of 16 games a year. oscar's schedule is probably good for 2 games a year tougher than what Frank had but he also gets two more chances to pick up wins. All things considered, oscar's results are a lot closer to Frank's than any of us are comfortable with.

Hatingfrancis is super comfortable with it
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 08, 2018, 03:20:21 PM
07-08: 3rd out of 12
08-09: 4th out of 12
09-10: 2nd out of 12
10-11: 4th out of 12
11-12: 5th out of 10

12-13: 2nd out of 10
13-14: 5th out of 10
14-15: 8th out of 10 (w)
15-16: 8th out of 10 (w)
16-17: 6th out of 10

that, along with the ncaa tournament record, has to hurt the oscar agendites
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 08, 2018, 03:32:42 PM
14.32, 17.44, 13.46, 8.18, 14.10, 18.16: x = 14.28
vs
17.52, 17.42, 25.52, 14.18, 18.90: x = 18.71


it's not that close.

what am i looking at here
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 08, 2018, 03:43:25 PM
kenpom adjusted efficiency margins, obviously.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: chum1 on February 08, 2018, 03:58:00 PM
Years to make 4 NCAAs: 5 vs. 6. They might as well be the same guy as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 04:00:51 PM
Years to make 4 NCAAs: 5 vs. 6. They might as well be the same guy as far as I'm concerned.

Except 1 has a Big 12 champs trophy in his office but yeah.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2018, 04:03:16 PM
What about NCAA wins?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 08, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
What about NCAA wins?

6 vs 0

again, basically the same person
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: chum1 on February 08, 2018, 04:05:09 PM
What about NCAA wins?

I know Frank has more. Beyond that, no idea.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2018, 04:06:20 PM
Wait oscar hasn't won a single NCAA tournament game in 5 years?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2018, 04:10:18 PM
It's hard to believe until you realize that there were two years where he didn't even have a team in the tournament. You can't expect him to win when he doesn't even get a chance.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: chum1 on February 08, 2018, 04:10:50 PM
Wait oscar hasn't won a single NCAA tournament game in 5 years?

See what I mean!? Doesn't matter!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
It's hard to believe until you realize that there were two years where he didn't even have a team in the tournament. You can't expect him to win when he doesn't even get a chance.

Schedule-makers.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 04:12:41 PM
What about NCAA wins?

I know Frank has more. Beyond that, no idea.

Frank has 10 wins. 
oscar has 12 wins.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 08, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
mods, can you change his name to hatingfrancisco
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Chingon on February 08, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
Also not sure where chingon is getting his numbers

Frank in conference was
10-6
9-7
11-5
10-6
10-8
That's 50 wins
oscar is
14-4
10-8
8-8
5-13
8-10
6-5
That's 51 wins
Total wins
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 08, 2018, 04:37:56 PM
many thanks
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2018, 04:48:29 PM
What about NCAA wins?

I know Frank has more. Beyond that, no idea.

Frank has 10 wins. 
oscar has 12 wins.

He asserts that Currie's personal issues led KSU to now having a worse coach than Frank.  Currie says he disagrees.  CPA says that obviously Frank is a better coach than Weber.  Currie tells him he's wrong.

I leap past CPA and ask Currie if it's his position that Weber's a better coach than Frank.  Currie says he's not going to talk to me with me coming at him with that tone.  WTF?  I ask him again, more calmly or whatever and he says that Weber has 200+ wins (he had the exact number).  I say, no crap, he's been coaching for a decade longer. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
What is oscar's conference winning percentage compared to Frank?

Big 12 was a cake walk then compared to the juggernaut oscar has to deal with these days.

Excuses from a oscar apologist, how weird.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 05:56:47 PM
What about NCAA wins?

I know Frank has more. Beyond that, no idea.

Frank has 10 wins. 
oscar has 12 wins.

How many years as a head coach did it take both to get those numbers?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 06:56:40 PM
What about NCAA wins?

I know Frank has more. Beyond that, no idea.

Frank has 10 wins. 
oscar has 12 wins.

How many years as a head coach did it take both to get those numbers?
As many as it takes TBT.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 07:08:14 PM
What about NCAA wins?

I know Frank has more. Beyond that, no idea.

Frank has 10 wins. 
oscar has 12 wins.

How many years as a head coach did it take both to get those numbers?
As many as it takes TBT.

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((U+C+I) x (10-S))/20 x A x 1/(1-sin(F/10)) where U=urgency, C=complexity, I=importance, S=skill, A=aggravation and F=frequency.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 08:42:10 PM
What about NCAA wins?

6 vs 0

again, basically the same person

Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 08, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
What about NCAA wins?

6 vs 0

again, basically the same person

Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State


Yea Milton Milton can't count
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 09:12:36 PM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?

Well since people are completely disregarding the NCAA when considering tournament wins, I'm going to use the same logic. When myself, and frankly most people reading this board, started watching the NCAA tournament it had 45 teams. Since of course any games won before a divisor of 16 don't count then any game won before the round of 32 is completely fake.

For some reason there's a segment of sports fans, not just K-State fans, who act like 64 is some sacred number although for any gen Xer the tournament has been something other than that more than it has, and it was 64 for only a very small number of years of the tournament's existence. And guess what? It's going to increase again when this TV deal is over.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 08, 2018, 09:16:57 PM
oh, ok.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
Also not sure where chingon is getting his numbers

Frank in conference was
10-6
9-7
11-5
10-6
10-8
That's 50 wins
oscar is
14-4
10-8
8-8
5-13
8-10
6-5
That's 51 wins
Total wins

Sorry about that
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 09:21:37 PM
I walked to school uphill in the snow BOTH WAYS when I was young :cyclist:

- MIR
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 08, 2018, 09:25:56 PM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?

Well since people are completely disregarding the NCAA when considering tournament wins, I'm going to use the same logic. When myself, and frankly most people reading this board, started watching the NCAA tournament it had 45 teams. Since of course any games won before a divisor of 16 don't count then any game won before the round of 32 is completely fake.

For some reason there's a segment of sports fans, not just K-State fans, who act like 64 is some sacred number although for any gen Xer the tournament has been something other than that more than it has, and it was 64 for only a very small number of years of the tournament's existence. And guess what? It's going to increase again when this TV deal is over.
TY! :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 08, 2018, 09:29:50 PM
The kid has affected your troll game TBT

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 09:52:26 PM
The kid has affected your troll game TBT

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I was just watching the point sail about 15 miles over his head
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 09:58:48 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 08, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
What’s also hilarious is that nobody commented on my post about ‘As many as it takes TBT’.

Why?  Because that sailed over everyone who posts here’s head.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 8manpick on February 08, 2018, 10:10:01 PM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?

Well since people are completely disregarding the NCAA when considering tournament wins, I'm going to use the same logic. When myself, and frankly most people reading this board, started watching the NCAA tournament it had 45 teams. Since of course any games won before a divisor of 16 don't count then any game won before the round of 32 is completely fake.

For some reason there's a segment of sports fans, not just K-State fans, who act like 64 is some sacred number although for any gen Xer the tournament has been something other than that more than it has, and it was 64 for only a very small number of years of the tournament's existence. And guess what? It's going to increase again when this TV deal is over.
Holy cow grandpa #notmytournament
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?

Well since people are completely disregarding the NCAA when considering tournament wins, I'm going to use the same logic. When myself, and frankly most people reading this board, started watching the NCAA tournament it had 45 teams. Since of course any games won before a divisor of 16 don't count then any game won before the round of 32 is completely fake.

For some reason there's a segment of sports fans, not just K-State fans, who act like 64 is some sacred number although for any gen Xer the tournament has been something other than that more than it has, and it was 64 for only a very small number of years of the tournament's existence. And guess what? It's going to increase again when this TV deal is over.
Holy cow grandpa #notmytournament

I think you're kidding, hoping? But to drive this point home even more, there is literally no one alive on the planet, not a single person, who has spent a majority of their life with a 64 team tournament. The tournament was 64 teams for only 15 years, 1985-2000. The tournament hasn't been 64 teams for 18 years yet we're STILL hearing 68 team hottakes from disgruntled Anti-Brucers, sports talk morning zoo hosts, and sports fans who only watch college basketball for 4 weeks.

There is nothing more old ballzy than pining for something that was left in the 20th century. AOL, pogs, and teletubbies were things since the 64 team tournament went away.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 08, 2018, 10:52:33 PM
God, I love it, ty MIR! :cheers:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2018, 11:04:23 PM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?

Well since people are completely disregarding the NCAA when considering tournament wins, I'm going to use the same logic. When myself, and frankly most people reading this board, started watching the NCAA tournament it had 45 teams. Since of course any games won before a divisor of 16 don't count then any game won before the round of 32 is completely fake.

For some reason there's a segment of sports fans, not just K-State fans, who act like 64 is some sacred number although for any gen Xer the tournament has been something other than that more than it has, and it was 64 for only a very small number of years of the tournament's existence. And guess what? It's going to increase again when this TV deal is over.

The difference is that the most of the teams don’t have a first round game. Either everyone not playing in it should be credited with a win vs bye, or those who win the game should be treated like they won a play-in game to reach the real tournament. Otherwise you credit coaches for winning a matchup against an equally crappy team while other coaches who actually had better seasons have to play a much better team than theirs in their first round. People would give first round wins more weight if the tournament had a field of 128.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2018, 11:49:06 PM
The ncaa tournament is popular b/c of brackets and rough ridin' off at work/school, and everyone's bracket always has been and always will be a 64-team bracket. That, and that the first round is called the FIRST round, reinforces why people only consider THE tournament as the thing that america cares about that starts on a thursday.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: IPA4Me on February 09, 2018, 05:33:20 AM
Make the NIT great again!
Title: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2018, 07:10:35 AM
I think they stopped calling it the first round recently.  If you’re talking tournament wins, I think MIR is right you gotta count play-in/first four just like you would count wildcard games in any other postseason. It’s a good point that if we want to be critical of NCAA adding those games, why stop there since the field has expanded so much to dilute the meaning of a tournament win over the years?

With that out of the way, it’s a pretty weak jump to say fans should value a first four win the same as a Thursday/Friday game.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 07:41:09 AM

I think you're kidding, hoping? But to drive this point home even more, there is literally no one alive on the planet, not a single person, who has spent a majority of their life with a 64 team tournament. The tournament was 64 teams for only 15 years, 1985-2000. The tournament hasn't been 64 teams for 18 years yet we're STILL hearing 68 team hottakes from disgruntled Anti-Brucers, sports talk morning zoo hosts, and sports fans who only watch college basketball for 4 weeks.

There is nothing more old ballzy than pining for something that was left in the 20th century. AOL, pogs, and teletubbies were things since the 64 team tournament went away.

NCAA went to 68 in 2010.

**edited because I am an idiot and forgot about the play in game in 2000 :facepalm:**
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: #LIFE on February 09, 2018, 07:47:09 AM
Just add 4 wins to Frank's total since he isn't a crapface loser and never had to worry about advancing out of the first 4
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 8manpick on February 09, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
Frank only had 2 NCAA wins at K-State

?

Well since people are completely disregarding the NCAA when considering tournament wins, I'm going to use the same logic. When myself, and frankly most people reading this board, started watching the NCAA tournament it had 45 teams. Since of course any games won before a divisor of 16 don't count then any game won before the round of 32 is completely fake.

For some reason there's a segment of sports fans, not just K-State fans, who act like 64 is some sacred number although for any gen Xer the tournament has been something other than that more than it has, and it was 64 for only a very small number of years of the tournament's existence. And guess what? It's going to increase again when this TV deal is over.
Holy cow grandpa #notmytournament

I think you're kidding, hoping? But to drive this point home even more, there is literally no one alive on the planet, not a single person, who has spent a majority of their life with a 64 team tournament. The tournament was 64 teams for only 15 years, 1985-2000. The tournament hasn't been 64 teams for 18 years yet we're STILL hearing 68 team hottakes from disgruntled Anti-Brucers, sports talk morning zoo hosts, and sports fans who only watch college basketball for 4 weeks.

There is nothing more old ballzy than pining for something that was left in the 20th century. AOL, pogs, and teletubbies were things since the 64 team tournament went away.
Born in '87, it's all I know :gocho: also, the first 10 years of expansion in 2000 were to 65 and an extra 16 seed... WGAF?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 09, 2018, 08:04:47 AM
i appreciate the point MIR is trying to make, but LOL at counting the 65 team years as an expanded field. it was a battle of 16 seeds to see who got to play the #1 seed, and you couldn't even pick a winner on your bracket. my entire life has been a 64 team field m8.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2018, 08:13:36 AM
2001-2010 :  The Lost Years
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Maybe one day, the world will acquiesce to the ncaa and quit calling the play-in games “play-in games,” or recognize the thing teams are playing into as something other than the tournament, and give oscar full credit for his one ncaa tournament win at ksu.

Quote from: oscar

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 08:38:51 AM
oscar agendites have to research the history of the ncaa tournament in order to justify counting a rough ridin' play-in game victory, amazing
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 09, 2018, 08:44:16 AM
just my .02 but i don't consider winning a play in game a tournament win.  hang a banner for eff sake.  i always thought it was hilarious when one of the 16 seed teams would win their play in game and the graphic was "Eastern Michigan Tech's FIRST EVER TOURNAMENT WIN!"   ummmmmm, no.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 08:50:14 AM
FWIW, I count last year as being in the tournament, but not a "real" tournament win because it was the play in game. Obviously, oscar needs to change that sooner than later.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2018, 08:51:41 AM
i always thought it was hilarious when one of the 16 seed teams would win their play in game and the graphic was "Eastern Michigan Tech's FIRST EVER TOURNAMENT WIN!"   ummmmmm, no.

It's smart for the tv network to put that graphic up and try to get people to buy in and go along with that presentation, with that theoretically leading to more regular people treating such games as tournament games and tuning in.
Title: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2018, 09:05:07 AM
Serious question: is there a wildcard game in any other sport that you refuse to call a “playoff game”? (or postseason)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2018, 09:10:13 AM
Serious question: is there a wildcard game in any other sport that you refuse to call a “playoff game”? (or postseason)

It would be hard to feel like you were actually in the MLB playoffs if you lost the 1 game wildcard series.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2018, 09:21:04 AM
Not really the question. I’m asking if you would consider that game a postseason win.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2018, 09:22:38 AM
I don't know what it feels like to lose a wildcard game so it's hard to say
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2018, 09:24:09 AM
I mean, I would. I think the disconnect here might be between people who treat the NCAA tournament as an invitational and people that treat it as the playoffs of college basketball. I can totally see both ways since the criteria isn’t super objective for a lot of teams that get in, but to me the tournament is just the playoffs so I definitely consider first four as playoff wins. Doesn’t mean I’m happy with just getting there though.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 09:28:47 AM
when the debate turns to whether or not a "play-in" is considered a tournament win, you've already lost
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 09:31:02 AM
I don't know what it feels like to lose a wildcard game so it's hard to say

Me neither. :D

(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/5/6/0/97155560/093014_kc_walkoff_twitter_3bpl34pv.gif)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 09:32:32 AM
when the debate turns to whether or not a "play-in" is considered a tournament win, you've already lost
If he would have lost that game, people would have busted his ass and railed on the he doesn't win tournament games train even more. It's a valid point to analyze for non-agendites.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 09, 2018, 09:37:38 AM
when the debate turns to whether or not a "play-in" is considered a tournament win, you've already lost
If he would have lost that game, people would have busted his ass and railed on the he doesn't win tournament games train even more. It's a valid point to analyze for non-agendites.

this just isn't true.  to me this has nothing to do with oscar.  I felt this way before this dork was even our coach.  I feel the same about the stupid "second round" thing. "Southern Utah States first ever second round win!"   ummmmmm, no.

I hate to agree with meowmeow here but the fact that people that support oscar are arguing this point speaks to the level we have descended to as a program.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 09:42:41 AM
It is true. Nobody supports oscar, many are just tired of the #BID'rs rinse and repeat shtick. It's old and played out and takes zero thought process to come up with reasonable explanations of what's going on from game to game. Some ppl just want to chat about the cats without having to thumb through a billion "eff oscar, BID, Classic oscar, etc.." bull crap.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 09:49:44 AM
is the #BID rinse and repeat shtick more or less tired than the irrelevant brand of basketball we've experienced the last 5 years?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 09:53:23 AM
IDK, but many BBS'rs have tapped out when it comes to rational thinking about cat sports lately. Maybe everyone is in some weird rough ridin' trance ever since they lost their scorn lover from 6 years ago.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
yeah, that's probably it
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 09, 2018, 10:02:32 AM
Not really the question. I’m asking if you would consider that game a postseason win.

No, not really.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Joker on February 09, 2018, 10:11:11 AM
There isn't a huge difference between oscar and Frank.  You can make a valid argument for either of them when it comes to success/results. Although, the tournament records at KSU do stand out.

For me it's mostly about having a fun basketball program.  Frank and his teams were fun to watch.  Because of Frank's personality and the grittiness of his players, it was still entertaining even when they struggled.  oscar is the exact opposite of that idea.  Because of oscar's personality and penchant for making excuses, he needs to win at a higher rate to make his program fun and entertaining.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:12:59 AM
I love basketball and being a bubble team over and over again pisses me off. If oscar was consistently getting us a middle of the road seed I would be fine with it.  If he wouldn’t give these dumb bullshit excuses all the time and winning I would tolerate him.   Sadly that’s not the case tho.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 10:15:50 AM
Hey guys, go much up your own thread about whether your personal opinions on whether the first four games "count" or not (lol gmafb of course they count.  Ask Illinois State or Syracuse if they think they count or not)

This thread is about oscar moving up the list of all time great K-State coaches.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 10:17:58 AM
If you really wanna see what purgatory was/is, you should of tried watching K-state basketball pre Huggins, now that was really a kick in the nuts. Frank had some questionable bubble teams as well that had to rally late in the season to make the tourney. Acting like you're watching a team fight to make the tournament isn't something new with just oscar.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Cy Young has the most wins, complete games, games started etc in baseball history. Doesn’t make him the best, far from it.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 10:25:18 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 10:25:38 AM
BETTER THAN WOOLY!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2018, 10:26:13 AM
@Tobias !!!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 10:29:52 AM
I did not have fun during the WVU game. At all. Or Tulsa. KU games were frustrating.

But overall I have had a lot of fun watching this team and the players this year. I really like Barry, Cartier, Dean, Sneed, and Kam. Mak sometimes. Love, Stockard, Wainright a little. I think McGuirl might have some potential.

And I'm looking forward to Hoops and Hops Saturday.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 10:31:57 AM
Wacky is crushing all these heartbroken Frank lovers with hard cold facts and it aint pretty.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 10:34:05 AM
Wacky is crushing all these heartbroken Frank lovers with hard cold facts and it aint pretty.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:34:56 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.

Making the tourney vs tourney success are not the same thing.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 10:36:53 AM
Quote
I love basketball and being a bubble team over and over again pisses me off.

Which is it, TBT?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
some people are just happy to make the tournament because wooly never did, and that's fine, it's why oscar will be here as long as he wants
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 10:37:24 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.

Making the tourney vs tourney success are not the same thing.

He's gone TBT, Move on.  This team is really fun to watch and oscar is a good coach.  Don't do them dirty like this.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:39:13 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.

Making the tourney vs tourney success are not the same thing.

He's gone TBT, Move on.  This team is really fun to watch and oscar is a good coach.  Don't do them dirty like this.

Somebody punch me in the face when I use these as metrics for greatest coach ever.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:39:34 AM
Quote
I love basketball and being a bubble team over and over again pisses me off.

Which is it, TBT?

Which is what?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 10:40:13 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.

Making the tourney vs tourney success are not the same thing.

He's gone TBT, Move on.  This team is really fun to watch and oscar is a good coach.  Don't do them dirty like this.

Somebody punch me in the face when I use these as metrics for greatest coach ever.

Your stance has nothing to do with metrics and you and your broken heart know it.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Whoever coaches the globetrotters must be the best coach of all time. They are so much fun to watch!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.

Making the tourney vs tourney success are not the same thing.

He's gone TBT, Move on.  This team is really fun to watch and oscar is a good coach.  Don't do them dirty like this.

Somebody punch me in the face when I use these as metrics for greatest coach ever.

Your stance has nothing to do with metrics and you and your broken heart know it.

It does and if you can’t see that then we can agree to disagree because you’ll never get it.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 10:43:45 AM
That’s all oscar has and ever will do tho
He's about to make the tourney 4 out of 6 years with K-state. He was a 4 seed, a 9 seed, play in last year, and nobody knows where he'll end up this year.

Frank was a 11 a seed with beaz, a 2 seed, a 5 seed, and then a 8 seed.

Making the tourney vs tourney success are not the same thing.

He's gone TBT, Move on.  This team is really fun to watch and oscar is a good coach.  Don't do them dirty like this.

Somebody punch me in the face when I use these as metrics for greatest coach ever.

Your stance has nothing to do with metrics and you and your broken heart know it.

It does and if you can’t see that then we can agree to disagree because you’ll never get it.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
TBT, when did you start following cats basketball? And be honest. I think that answer is a huge dividing line for expectations between different cats.

And no M^2, it wasn't just wooly, it was Asbury, and Altman's 1 tourney appearance too. All I've ever known growing up is crap bball teams during my cognitive years of living.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: chum1 on February 09, 2018, 10:52:30 AM
I get that people miss something about Frank. I don't get why they aren't honest about what it is. Tournament success isn't it. They're not going to do a 180 and start loving oscar if he wins a couple of tournament games this year.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 10:53:17 AM
TBT, when did you start following cats basketball? And be honest. I think that answer is a huge dividing line for expectations between different cats.

And no M^2, it wasn't just wooly, it was Asbury, and Altman's 1 tourney appearance too. All I've ever known growing up is crap bball teams during my cognitive years of living.

wacky, don't do my guys Elliot Hatcher and Ty Davis wrong like that by excluding TA's appearance.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
I get that people miss something about Frank. I don't get why they aren't honest about what it is. Tournament success isn't it. They're not going to do a 180 and start loving oscar if he wins a couple of tournament games this year.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2018, 10:57:41 AM
This has been masterful.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 10:58:03 AM
TBT, when did you start following cats basketball? And be honest. I think that answer is a huge dividing line for expectations between different cats.

And no M^2, it wasn't just wooly, it was Asbury, and Altman's 1 tourney appearance too. All I've ever known growing up is crap bball teams during my cognitive years of living.

wacky, don't do my guys Elliot Hatcher and Ty Davis wrong like that by excluding TA's appearance.

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-head-coach-tom-asbury-of-kansas-state-watches-as-elliot-picture-id234249)(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/mar-1996-tyrone-davis-of-kansas-state-has-the-ball-knocked-away-by-picture-id233220)
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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
I get that people miss something about Frank. I don't get why they aren't honest about what it is. Tournament success isn't it. They're not going to do a 180 and start loving oscar if he wins a couple of tournament games this year.

:thumbs: 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 09, 2018, 11:13:41 AM
TBT, when did you start following cats basketball? And be honest. I think that answer is a huge dividing line for expectations between different cats.

And no M^2, it wasn't just wooly, it was Asbury, and Altman's 1 tourney appearance too. All I've ever known growing up is crap bball teams during my cognitive years of living.

I couldn’t tell you an exact year but probably early 2000’s.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: IPA4Me on February 09, 2018, 11:14:51 AM
I think it's the dork factor. I know oscar's weirdo looks and gestures bug me. Frank's schtick grew tiresome over time. I overlooked him as I will oscar when he put good teams together and developed players.

I just want Cat wins, nice tourney seeding, and some second weekend games. Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
I think it's the dork factor. I know oscar's weirdo looks and gestures bug me. Frank's schtick grew tiresome over time. I overlooked him as I will oscar when he put good teams together and developed players.

I just want Cat wins, nice tourney seeding, and some second weekend games. Is that too much to ask?

Nope. We all want the same thing.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Joker on February 09, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
I did not have fun during the WVU game. At all. Or Tulsa. KU games were frustrating.

But overall I have had a lot of fun watching this team and the players this year. I really like Barry, Cartier, Dean, Sneed, and Kam. Mak sometimes. Love, Stockard, Wainright a little. I think McGuirl might have some potential.

And I'm looking forward to Hoops and Hops Saturday.

Sure.  oscar's teams have their moments for me.  But his basketball program, as a whole, has been mostly disappointing and frustrating.  I just find it much more difficult to get excited for oscar hoops.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 09, 2018, 11:42:16 AM
TBT, when did you start following cats basketball? And be honest. I think that answer is a huge dividing line for expectations between different cats.

And no M^2, it wasn't just wooly, it was Asbury, and Altman's 1 tourney appearance too. All I've ever known growing up is crap bball teams during my cognitive years of living.

Can't tell if you're trolling but this is actually pretty important.  i think it definitely plays a part in football for post-Snyder-hire fans....they all seem to have unrealistic expectations due to recent success because that's all they know....or maybe i my expectations are too low given my pre-Snyder experiences.

HOWEVER, i watched the cats coached by Jack Hartman and then Lon Kruger.  Through 1988 a case could be made that we were on par with our sister school to the east.  We were a basketball power and a delight to watch. Who can forget Ed Nealy???  I digress.  if you only know the Asbury, Wooly, Altman eras then oscar probably does look pretty damn good.  He isn't.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 09, 2018, 11:44:57 AM
I think it's the dork factor. I know oscar's weirdo looks and gestures bug me. Frank's schtick grew tiresome over time. I overlooked him as I will oscar when he put good teams together and developed players.

I just want Cat wins, nice tourney seeding, and some second weekend games. Is that too much to ask?

That's mocat tier B friend , and it's like sitting in your jacuzzi outside your chalet overlooking the mountains after a good day of shredding pow pow.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Joker on February 09, 2018, 11:53:35 AM
And I have no issue admitting that my problems with oscar are tied to more than just his record.

If you're going to be mediocre you need to have some other fun/entertaining quality about you to make it more palatable.  If your only positives are that you run a clean program and you're easy to gif because you're weird and awkward, then you need to win at a higher rate.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 11:58:53 AM
gE....Tuck City, USA
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 09, 2018, 12:09:05 PM
i don't care that he's a dork and i don't care if he wins.  it's currie and the way martin was ran out.  i thought maybe i'd come around this season with currie gone, but it didn't happen.  maybe next year or maybe with the next coach or maybe never.  you can't force these things.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 09, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
Amy Button Renz gotta go.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 12:31:00 PM
gE....Tuck City, USA

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
i don't care that he's a dork and i don't care if he wins.  it's currie and the way martin was ran out.  i thought maybe i'd come around this season with currie gone, but it didn't happen.  maybe next year or maybe with the next coach or maybe never.  you can't force these things.

Guys.  This is some good stuff.  Don't hold back. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on February 09, 2018, 01:03:39 PM
when the debate turns to whether or not a "play-in" is considered a tournament win, you've already lost
If he would have lost that game, people would have busted his ass and railed on the he doesn't win tournament games train even more. It's a valid point to analyze for non-agendites.

this just isn't true.  to me this has nothing to do with oscar.  I felt this way before this dork was even our coach.  I feel the same about the stupid "second round" thing. "Southern Utah States first ever second round win!"   ummmmmm, no.

I hate to agree with meowmeow here but the fact that people that support oscar are arguing this point speaks to the level we have descended to as a program.

It's been said elsewhere, but it sure seems to me like you are actually the one trying to manipulate the facts just so you can say oscar never won a tournament game because you want the guy you dislike to look as bad as possible.  I don't GAF about what the NCAA calls it, but a first four game is a postseason/playoff/tournament game.  If you win you keep playing and if you don't you're out.  What else would you call it?

I'll go a step further and say literally the only people not tallying first four games as tournament wins are people who don't like the school/coach.  You can prove me wrong if you ever complained about schools like Southern Utah State getting credited with a tournament win and it WASN'T in the context of criticizing oscar.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 09, 2018, 01:40:20 PM
when the debate turns to whether or not a "play-in" is considered a tournament win, you've already lost
If he would have lost that game, people would have busted his ass and railed on the he doesn't win tournament games train even more. It's a valid point to analyze for non-agendites.

this just isn't true.  to me this has nothing to do with oscar.  I felt this way before this dork was even our coach.  I feel the same about the stupid "second round" thing. "Southern Utah States first ever second round win!"   ummmmmm, no.

I hate to agree with meowmeow here but the fact that people that support oscar are arguing this point speaks to the level we have descended to as a program.

It's been said elsewhere, but it sure seems to me like you are actually the one trying to manipulate the facts just so you can say oscar never won a tournament game because you want the guy you dislike to look as bad as possible.  I don't GAF about what the NCAA calls it, but a first four game is a postseason/playoff/tournament game.  If you win you keep playing and if you don't you're out.  What else would you call it?

I'll go a step further and say literally the only people not tallying first four games as tournament wins are people who don't like the school/coach.  You can prove me wrong if you ever complained about schools like Southern Utah State getting credited with a tournament win and it WASN'T in the context of criticizing oscar.

Well if you were my friend you would know that this has always been a source of contention for me and i discuss how stupid it is during every tournament.  But you aren't my friend and never would be because you are a complete idiot and i hate your stupid face.  No disrespect.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Catman2 on February 09, 2018, 01:43:44 PM
i don't care that he's a dork and i don't care if he wins.  it's currie and the way martin was ran out.  i thought maybe i'd come around this season with currie gone, but it didn't happen.  maybe next year or maybe with the next coach or maybe never.  you can't force these things.

Martin and Currie had problems, I agree. Martin, an East Coast guy, also created his own problems. He would not still be here, maybe by choice/ maybe not. It was a learning experience for him and those lessons learned have really helped him at S. Carolina. Good for him.

Like it or not Webber is a good coach. Recruiter? Mostly hard working blue collar types. Very similar to our football program. The way he changed up the defense and his players squeezed the life out of Texas after a bad start is a good example of his coaching. He could win a Championship and still have haters.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: #LIFE on February 09, 2018, 01:57:26 PM
He could

-retire
-take another job
-kill himself
-dress up like a fish and feed himself to a bear

Quit acting like poor oscar is helpless
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
He could

-retire
-take another job
-kill himself
-dress up like a fish and feed himself to a bear

Quit acting like poor oscar is helpless

My how this whole thing has turned around on itself.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 02:33:37 PM
Weber inherited a winning culture with players that had won games in March, an angry home court advantage, sandstorm and tunnel dancing, so factor that in the algorithm as well since none of that exists anymore.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 09, 2018, 02:42:43 PM
I don't really care if its a fun team to watch or not. I gave myself permission to be a fair weather fan in KSU basketball and it was a great decision. I watch when they play ku or another big team, sometimes, and sometimes I don't. I've given myself permission to be fair weather about all the teams I follow. I bet this summer I attend 7 or 8 Royals games and always know if they won or lost the night before. But I'm not living and dying with each game. Its not really worth my time to give a lot of energy into following teams and giving them my emotions like I have in the past. I'll always follow the Cats and Royals and Chiefs but backing off a lot has been amazing.

So, I'm happy for fellow Cat fans when the team does well.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 09, 2018, 02:48:36 PM
It is true. Nobody supports oscar, many are just tired of the #BID'rs rinse and repeat shtick. It's old and played out and takes zero thought process to come up with reasonable explanations of what's going on from game to game. Some ppl just want to chat about the cats without having to thumb through a billion "eff oscar, BID, Classic oscar, etc.." bull crap.

For me WC I'm less of an active BID'r but more in the camp of KSU hoops needs to win me back as a fan. I just don't really care very much. If we make the tourney, of course I'll watch, but I don't have any excitement as a fan. I think a lot of K-State fans are more in my camp than the active Booing oscar Testy Westy camp. Its just not worth much time and energy. The program needs to do something other than being a perennial bubble team to get fans excited. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 02:50:09 PM
Totally fair, friend.  :thumbs: K-State has always had me by the balls in an unhealthy way. So it's all I know.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 09, 2018, 02:51:56 PM
But if we play in the Big XII tourney on Wednesday and _FAN wants to go, I'm in.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
$1ish beers at bar louie, cf3!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2018, 03:06:46 PM
But if we play in the Big XII tourney on Wednesday and _FAN wants to go, I'm in.

How about Thursday? Decent chance at the 11:30 game...
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 09, 2018, 03:19:18 PM
I get that people miss something about Frank. I don't get why they aren't honest about what it is. Tournament success isn't it. They're not going to do a 180 and start loving oscar if he wins a couple of tournament games this year.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 03:20:29 PM
 :love:

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 09, 2018, 03:22:38 PM
I just want to say that pages 5 and 6 are some of the most mind numbingly stupid crap I've ever read, truly amazing stuff.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 8manpick on February 09, 2018, 03:41:18 PM
The last time oscar coached a weekend game in the NCAA tournament he lost to Brady Morningstar, Tyrel Reed and the Morris twins
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 03:47:21 PM
they were probably dealing with adversity that neither you or i can comprehend
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 09, 2018, 03:59:53 PM
It is true. Nobody supports oscar, many are just tired of the #BID'rs rinse and repeat shtick. It's old and played out and takes zero thought process to come up with reasonable explanations of what's going on from game to game. Some ppl just want to chat about the cats without having to thumb through a billion "eff oscar, BID, Classic oscar, etc.." bull crap.

So, it takes all types for a fanbase. Athletic Departments and players really like fans that support the program no matter what. It gives programs some sense of stability and viability even during lean times. But without #BID'rs telling anyone and everyone that oscar is a Major League dork who will always be a step down from what is possible here, then nothing is ever going to change. It's good that Cat fans, the AD, and oscar know that we think that we deserve better. It applies pressure, and that's a good thing. If you find that annoying or repetitious, then just imagine what it feels like for us having to keep saying the same crap over and over for the past six years. We don't enjoy it either. But Cats deserve better than oscar. I think you all know that.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 09, 2018, 05:37:08 PM
Well that's a huge crock of crap.

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 09, 2018, 05:37:59 PM
The last time oscar coached a weekend game in the NCAA tournament he lost to Brady Morningstar, Tyrel Reed and the Morris twins
My God
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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: cat97 on February 09, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
Look at it this way.  Shaka Smart should be available soon. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 09, 2018, 06:05:40 PM
I was just sitting here considering how i would feel if Brad Underwood was our coach and the team was exactly the same...same players, same record, same everything.  I realized i would be very excited for our team and happy with where we sit in the Big 12 race.  I would very much be looking forward to a run in the tourney.   I honestly feel very sad about this because i think i've concluded that i will not be happy or excited for our team so long as oscar is coaching.  I truly wish i could change or overcome that...i really do.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 06:11:34 PM
He's 12-13 this year bud and Groce recruited decently while he was there. Also, the big ten sucks this year too.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 09, 2018, 06:14:57 PM
Either way, just root on the cats. Plenty of adorable cats on this team.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 10, 2018, 09:47:23 PM
We suck so bad, we are a Dean Wolf injury away from being early Jim wooly years bad
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 10, 2018, 09:51:32 PM
This team is really fun to watch and oscar is a good coach.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 11, 2018, 09:10:49 AM
Cold hard facts.

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 11, 2018, 09:24:29 AM
Man, that's kind of a mini DoD
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2018, 09:36:51 AM
Man, that's kind of a mini DoD

Presided over by 3 coaches who have all been to the final four.   Really a special time to be a cats basketball fan.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: DOD Take 2 on February 11, 2018, 11:35:42 PM
If you really wanna see what purgatory was/is, you should of tried watching K-state basketball pre Huggins, now that was really a kick in the nuts. Frank had some questionable bubble teams as well that had to rally late in the season to make the tourney. Acting like you're watching a team fight to make the tournament isn't something new with just oscar.

The only year this was true was 2010-2011 and we ended up a damn 5 seed. Stop with revionist history
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 12, 2018, 07:33:18 AM
If you really wanna see what purgatory was/is, you should of tried watching K-state basketball pre Huggins, now that was really a kick in the nuts. Frank had some questionable bubble teams as well that had to rally late in the season to make the tourney. Acting like you're watching a team fight to make the tournament isn't something new with just oscar.

The only year this was true was 2010-2011 and we ended up a damn 5 seed. Stop with revionist history

Frankuary played the 11 and 12 teams off the bubble, but they were both in trouble in early February.

11 was 16-9/4-6 and not in any bracketology before winning 6 straight, including 2 top 10 wins (KU, UT).

12 was 17-8/6-7 before winning 4 of 5 (top 10 Mizzou).

That's not revisionist history, its a credit to Frank for playing great down the stretch both years. Doubt in oscar being able to do the same in our last 6 is justified.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2018, 07:55:55 AM
frank was 50-32 in conference play
oscar is 51-50

frank finished in the top half of the conference all 5 seasons
oscar finished in the top half 2 out of 5 (including a tie for 1st in year 1)

frank won ncaa tourney games in 4 of 5 seasons (including an elite 8)
oscar has yet to win one in 5 seasons

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: IPA4Me on February 12, 2018, 07:57:44 AM
Faces mushed.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 12, 2018, 08:12:40 AM
frank was 50-32 in conference play
oscar is 51-50

frank finished in the top half of the conference all 5 seasons
oscar finished in the top half 2 out of 5 (including a tie for 1st in year 1)

frank won ncaa tourney games in 4 of 5 seasons (including an elite 8)
oscar has yet to win one in 5 seasons

Frank > oscar. I don't think this is debatable.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on February 12, 2018, 08:15:18 AM
I think a low seed is possible. 
Likely will be again't a powerful ream.
Good bye tourney
After the  game Saturday, the Wichita Eagle reported Weber saying when we can run our stuff we do good.  When they can't, they don't play well.  I don't like KU, but they make in game adjustments.  Tech made adjustments at half.  Why can't we do the same?  Coach? Players? No post? Brench? Coaches?
Fans are still the bsst.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 12, 2018, 08:22:56 AM
I'll admit the TTU game is a weird tipping point for me but if missing the tournament means we get rid of oscar then I'm rooting for no tournament.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 12, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
frank was 50-32 in conference play
oscar is 51-50

frank finished in the top half of the conference all 5 seasons
oscar finished in the top half 2 out of 5 (including a tie for 1st in year 1)

frank won ncaa tourney games in 4 of 5 seasons (including an elite 8)
oscar has yet to win one in 5 seasons

Frank > oscar. I don't think this is debatable.

and yet...
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 12, 2018, 08:29:06 AM
Tech is legit.  Their 2nd half defensive adjustment made us look silly.  Time to change things up offensively and go get that big W for oscar in Stillwater on Wednesday!   :ksu: :ksu:

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 8manpick on February 12, 2018, 08:38:17 AM
Tech is legit.  Their 2nd half defensive adjustment made us look silly. 
Seems like we look really silly whenever someone makes a defensive adjustment against us this year.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 12, 2018, 09:36:51 AM
Tech is legit.  Their 2nd half defensive adjustment made us look silly. 
Seems like we look really silly whenever someone makes a defensive adjustment against us this year.

Agreed.  Where is the pinwheel post when you need it amirite? 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pissclams on February 12, 2018, 09:51:32 AM
tech is one of the premiere teams in college basketball, we're not.  you can't blame that on oscar. 
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 12, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
tech is one of the premiere teams in college basketball, we're not.  you can't blame that on oscar.

This.  Texas Tech and Chris Beard have advantages that we don't have and can't match at KSU.  Their program has history and intangibles that we don't have and never will.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: LickNeckey on February 12, 2018, 01:38:19 PM
tech is one of the premiere teams in college basketball, we're not.  you can't blame that on oscar.

This.  Texas Tech and Chris Beard have advantages that we don't have and can't match at KSU.  Their program has history and intangibles that we don't have and never will.

obvs

Tubby left him a juggernaut.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 12, 2018, 01:45:30 PM
Wednesday against Okie Lite, Oscar makes history!  :Wha:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 12, 2018, 01:47:45 PM
Wednesday, Greg!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: PIPE on February 12, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
I think with Tech's long history of success in the Big 12, that are boys are beat mentally before they even take the court.  Think KU, but tougher, mentally.

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 12, 2018, 02:30:55 PM
Yes...the point is that there is very little that can or could be done by oscar to slow down this jug-er-not.  Stop blaming oscar.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 14, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
Congrats oscar!!

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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 14, 2018, 09:14:34 PM
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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Chingon on February 14, 2018, 09:35:46 PM
118 what a ride
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: #LIFE on February 14, 2018, 11:58:18 PM
Such crap that a bunch of kids in Florida get their lives taken away but yet oscar supporters get to continue to destroy k-state sports. Sad.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 15, 2018, 06:38:07 AM
Such crap that a bunch of kids in Florida get their lives taken away but yet oscar supporters get to continue to destroy k-state sports. Sad.

This is a BS post. My goodness.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on February 15, 2018, 06:57:22 AM
Such crap that a bunch of kids in Florida get their lives taken away but yet oscar supporters get to continue to destroy k-state sports. Sad.
Life, Weber is a good coach, a good man, and treats his players well. He does not embarrass us.  We could do worse from a personable side for a coach.  I get annoyed  by his mannerisms.  I would like to find a new coach who can coach and recruit more talented players.  Weber's downfall has always been getting talented players.   Hate can be destructive.  Wishing someone would kill Weber and anyone who supports him is taking support for a team to a disturbing low.   I feel sorry for your family and dog.  Just go out in the garage and have a cussing fit in front of the cat.  Likely when you are.done the cat will crap in the litter box; a fitting critique.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 08:24:29 AM
#LIFE gets annihilated at night. Dude has serious problems.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 15, 2018, 10:51:56 AM
And there it is.

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
Lol at Tim trying to get Tully some clicks.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
@meow meow
Quote
“The constant theme was he’s a really good coach, a really good person and he doesn’t cheat,” Taylor said. “Then I get here and I meet him, and I look at his record — three NCAA Tournaments in five years, a conference championship — I’m like, you know, a lot of ADs would love to have that.”
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: TaqMan on February 15, 2018, 11:12:11 AM
@meow meow
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“The constant theme was he’s a really good coach, a really good person and he doesn’t cheat,” Taylor said. “Then I get here and I meet him, and I look at his record — three NCAA Tournaments in five years, a conference championship — I’m like, you know, a lot of ADs would love to have that.”

Hopefully the next sentence in this quote starts with "However......"
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 15, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
so basically we can never fire oscar because he "won" a conference even though we all know who was the real champ that year, just like we know OU wasn't the real champ in football that year.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on February 15, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
@meow meow
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“The constant theme was he’s a really good coach, a really good person and he doesn’t cheat,” Taylor said. “Then I get here and I meet him, and I look at his record — three NCAA Tournaments in five years, a conference championship — I’m like, you know, a lot of ADs would love to have that.”

This is disappointing.  I guess we are supposed to be thrilled that we've made the tournament 60% of the time (no wins)?  I would think making the tournament would be the MINIMUM expectation for a program like ours....i'm appalled that I'm supposed to "love" making the tournament 60% of the time (no wins). 

How low have we sunk????
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 11:16:44 AM
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“A lot of ADs would love to have our ‘problem’ in basketball right now,” he said, emphasizing the word problem by making a quotes gesture with his fingers. “A LOT of ADs. Hopefully people take a step back and realize that.”

My point yesterday is AD's can't afford to think like the fans and they don't for the most part. They're calculated at best.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2018, 11:25:18 AM
KSU Hoops: Remember, there's a lot of other trash out there that's so beaten down, they'd love to be us!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: meow meow on February 15, 2018, 11:45:27 AM
i hope i don't hear him talk about competing for championships then, because we're not
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Joker on February 15, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
The man is going to get carpal tunnel with all of the history he's writing.


Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 15, 2018, 02:02:08 PM
@meow meow
Quote
“The constant theme was he’s a really good coach, a really good person and he doesn’t cheat,” Taylor said. “Then I get here and I meet him, and I look at his record — three NCAA Tournaments in five years, a conference championship — I’m like, you know, a lot of ADs would love to have that.”

This is disappointing.  I guess we are supposed to be thrilled that we've made the tournament 60% of the time (no wins)?  I would think making the tournament would be the MINIMUM expectation for a program like ours....i'm appalled that I'm supposed to "love" making the tournament 60% of the time (no wins). 

How low have we sunk????

It's interesting how you read something completely different than what is printed, that's an amazing skill.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pissclams on February 15, 2018, 04:54:26 PM
MakeItRain?  More like MakingLoveToBruceWeber
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
That's honestly pretty candid and I don't mind it one bit
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: catastrophe on February 15, 2018, 05:02:48 PM
The fact he is even responding to that critique is encouraging.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 05:04:02 PM
That's honestly pretty candid and I don't mind it one bit
He also kinda says nothing
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 15, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
The fact he is even responding to that critique is encouraging.
This


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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pissclams on February 15, 2018, 05:33:32 PM
taylor is a small town ad living in a small town doing small town ading, that’s what that quote tells me
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on February 15, 2018, 05:51:11 PM
Here and now, Weber is ok.  In 2 years, yuuuuuuuck!   °THEN a crap of decade.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: michigancat on February 15, 2018, 11:53:18 PM
taylor is a small town ad living in a small town doing small town ading, that’s what that quote tells me
Not many small town ADs would admit that's what they are
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on February 16, 2018, 06:11:19 AM
Dream. Hope. A fun magical run in the tournament.  Stomping KU.  No embarrassing losses.  People being rewarded with wins at Bramledge against ranked teams when we yell our guts out.  Good solid quality recruits every year.  Fun being a fan.

Mr. Gene none of the above ever has been with Weber, and never will.  Us average Joe grunt fan want these things.  KSU sports are a big enjoyment in life.  You ADs have ruined basketball, and will soon do the same to football.  What is next?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 12:25:09 PM
Working our way to a 9 seed. Love this team.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2018, 12:51:12 PM
We just came out of a tv timeout with 2 secs on the shot clock and the players had no idea
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pissclams on February 17, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
this team plays with a purpose, i’ll give them that
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2018, 01:32:13 PM
That old dude from powermizzou whose name escapes me would have a field day with the bramlage announcer guy today. Seems like he is really feeling it
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
Told you dorks from day1!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Trim on February 17, 2018, 01:34:15 PM
That old dude from powermizzou whose name escapes me would have a field day with the bramlage announcer guy today. Seems like he is really feeling it

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
The very best
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 17, 2018, 01:49:30 PM
Lock him up Gene
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: wetwillie on February 17, 2018, 01:51:18 PM
Yea congrats oscar Weber on receiving another 10 million plus dollars from The Kansas State University.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
Fake news
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 17, 2018, 02:06:17 PM
We just came out of a tv timeout with 2 secs on the shot clock and the players had no idea

Freaking drives me insane.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 02:07:36 PM
And we won and are going to the tourney. :cheers:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on February 17, 2018, 02:10:06 PM
2 years of nirvana.  Then the abyss, the hole, the desert, the .......
The word sustainable development does not apply.
Gluttony, thar is thee mantra.   Stuff winning down your craw while we can!  Snarf it up till until you bloat.  Be drunk on the fruit of fleeting success!  Fellow Purple Piggies squeal with glee while we can!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
Today has to suck for #BITD'rs. T's & P's fellas.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 17, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
'specially because oscar Pearl (the one that got away) has his team sitting in the Top 10
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 17, 2018, 02:13:06 PM
Quit pushing your agenda Wacky we are trying to enjoy this win
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: bucket on February 17, 2018, 02:18:01 PM
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: #LIFE on February 17, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
oscar still letting an accomplice to a highway shooting spree play like nothing ever happened. What a crap human being. That makes Bill Self blush
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 17, 2018, 02:33:23 PM
who the eff is brent stover?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 17, 2018, 02:38:04 PM
Working our way to a 9 seed. Love this team.

3 more wins and I think it's highly likely we are playing in the 8 v 9 game. So 10-8 and 1 Sprint Center Win or 11-7 and no SC win

Go 3-1 and then 1-1 in KC, we'd be a solid 8 seed. With a chance to get to a 7 seed.

Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: dal9 on February 17, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
oscar still letting an accomplice to a highway shooting spree play like nothing ever happened. What a crap human being. That makes Bill Self blush
dafq are you on about now
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2018, 02:51:40 PM
Nothing like beating the last place team at home to shut the haters up
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 02:55:52 PM
omg! :love:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 03:06:34 PM
Pretty amazing to know Mocat picked up sports 10 years ago. What a dork.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: michigancat on February 17, 2018, 03:15:01 PM
who the eff is brent stover?
^^^
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: #LIFE on February 17, 2018, 03:15:41 PM
oscar still letting an accomplice to a highway shooting spree play like nothing ever happened. What a crap human being. That makes Bill Self blush
dafq are you on about now

Getting shot at while you're driving is just the price you gotta pay for life on the bubble
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: stunted on February 17, 2018, 03:23:05 PM
wow, another game > 50% shooting! :love:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: kso_FAN on February 17, 2018, 03:31:26 PM
Fun 2nd half, fun team to watch for me.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
oscar still letting an accomplice to a highway shooting spree play like nothing ever happened. What a crap human being. That makes Bill Self blush
dafq are you on about now

Getting shot at while you're driving is just the price you gotta pay for life on the bubble
I mean we can all agree this sock should have restrictions, right?
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 17, 2018, 05:46:16 PM
Pretty amazing to know Mocat picked up sports 10 years ago. What a dork.
Why do you say things like this bud
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 05:52:01 PM
I mean you say more hurtful things while slyin, you and Phil don't think twice about it. Guess I thought it was an open playground for crap storming. Honestly wouldn't  say a word if not profocted.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 17, 2018, 06:28:44 PM
I mean the “f” and “v” are close to each other at least but both “c” and “t” are on the complete opposite side of the keyboard from “k”.  :lol:
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 17, 2018, 06:30:48 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: 8manpick on February 17, 2018, 06:34:30 PM
:D
^ if I knew how to make this bigger I would... That may be the best ever
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: sys on February 17, 2018, 06:36:59 PM
let he who has never been autocorrected to profocted cast the first stone.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: The Big Train on February 17, 2018, 06:37:39 PM
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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 17, 2018, 07:50:17 PM


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Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 22, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
who the eff is brent stover?
^^^

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-sports-network/shows/college-football/bios?id=brent-stover (https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-sports-network/shows/college-football/bios?id=brent-stover)
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: renocat on February 22, 2018, 06:10:26 PM
(Paraphrasing) Oscar last night said we are winning close games this year because juniors now how more experience.   Or --- Is Oscar better at coaching mature players.  His last best team here was the first one; mature players.   His best at Illinois was filled with matures.   
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: chum1 on February 23, 2018, 12:04:39 PM
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 12:28:39 PM
He's actually the bitb, not sarcastically but actually the best
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: pissclams on February 23, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
He's actually the bitb, not sarcastically but actually the best
he’s 100% spot on and I espouse the same opinion all the time
the fun is in the game, not the w/l .  the passion is the game, not the result
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: mocat on February 23, 2018, 02:12:17 PM

if you believe most boomer memes, millennials are paving the way towards making this dream a reality!
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: EMAWzifried on February 23, 2018, 02:44:16 PM
I don't know if it's possible and too lazy to check, but would there be a more Oscar thing that to share the conference crown this year with KU, WV and TTech after going O-fer against them? I think not.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: Yard Dog on February 23, 2018, 02:56:27 PM
This year's squad has definitely been more fun to watch, but they have been painful to watch as well in games where they are shooting below 30%.

I think "enjoyability" is also wrapped around conditioning. We are all conditioned (well most of us) to enjoy the grind it out style of LHC Bill Snyder football. But, when I talk to people who barely follow the BIGXII they think it is pretty vanilla and boring.
Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: hatingfrancisco on October 12, 2019, 08:53:19 AM
 :Skillz:




Title: Re: oscar Weber: One of the Best
Post by: surly on October 14, 2019, 12:09:04 PM
TCTORNADO
TCTORNADO
illini80 said:
Underwood doesn’t care about rankings. 🤷???
Why would you when your average recruit has a #225 ranking.
:Wha: