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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: catzacker on December 11, 2010, 04:01:53 PM
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just unwatchably, f'ng awful. i'm rooting for a loss at this point. f*ck this team.
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Playing to the level of competition?
I'll do it. :powerespect:
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We had these same threads last year. STFU
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at this point, i'm not sure why someone would expect the team to be "fun" to watch.
sorry, 'zacker. :ck:
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Yep. I'm officially done thinking the horse crap basketball is just early season sloppiness. We're above average at best.
The reality is this team has a vastly overrated front court, one dimensional, ineffective guard play, and the worst defensive team Martin has coached.
We'll be lucky to win 10 games in conference this year.
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:shy:
Love these posts, 'zacker.
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Yep. I'm officially done thinking the horse crap basketball is just early season sloppiness. We're above average at best.
The reality is this team has a vastly overrated front court, one dimensional, ineffective guard play, and the worst defensive team Martin has coached.
We'll be lucky to win 10 games in conference this year.
"the sky is falling" :jerk:
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just unwatchably, f'ng awful. i'm rooting for a loss at this point. f*ck this team.
team isn't awful. in fact, they perform amazingly well for how little effort they expend.
completely agree on unwatchable though. and close on rooting for a loss. it is very hard to like this team.
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Spradling is a real treat to watch, though.
The one bright spot today.
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Spradling is a real treat to watch, though.
The one bright spot today.
i imagine this is sarcasm. don't care. he's crap. they're all crap.
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Pullen and the other older guys are kind of bored at this point because they just want to get back to March. Not surprising that our best games have come against the teams that were ranked (minus Duke). Motivation is obviously an issue right now.
Offensively, we're still searching for our identity/rhythm.
Defense has actually been pretty solid/consistent. The big problem right now is finding that offensive rhythm. We found it last year at this point due to Clemente.
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BINGO. 99% of this team's problems are motivation-related. Once league play begins, it'll be alright.
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Spradling is a real treat to watch, though.
The one bright spot today.
i imagine this is sarcasm. don't care. he's cac. they're all cac.
Spradling sucks. Non-sarcasm.
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just unwatchably, f'ng awful. i'm rooting for a loss at this point. f*ck this team.
:zzz:
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Frank should consider taking his act back to the South Beach high school gyms. @ some point some if not much of this falls on him & his staff.
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Asprilla is rough ridin' worthless.
Worthless.
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Asprilla is effing worthless.
Worthless.Has all the strength of a high school girl with the ball in his hands down low.
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Pullen with another crap pile effort today.
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this thread is awful
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this thread is awful
I can make it worse. Free throw shooting has been delightful
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just unwatchably, f'ng awful. i'm rooting for a loss at this point. f*ck this team.
you know when you are playing 1st person shooter games, and you switch the camera angle to third person?
you need to do that. quickly. you awful sh*tty human being.
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just unwatchably, f'ng awful. i'm rooting for a loss at this point. f*ck this team.
you know when you are playing 1st person shooter games, and you switch the camera angle to third person?
you need to do that. quickly. you awful sh*tty human being.
A good old fashioned F3 and Zacker back and forth on it's way.....you cubs pay attention. :bwpopcorn:
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:users:
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Then don't watch :dunno:
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Pretty amazing how lazy Jake has been this year with his ball handling.
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We're not going to come anywhere near expectations until he starts taking care of the ball.
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We're not going to come anywhere near expectations until he starts taking care of the ball.
this goes for the entire team.
Our turnover/assit ratio is miserable...
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Meh.
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Meh.
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LOL @ these losers, right, FAN?
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Asprilla and Spradling look like players that should be starting for Nebraska or Colorado.
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Asprilla and Spradling look like players that should be starting for Nebraska or Colorado.
pretty accurate. :dunno:
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Asprilla and Spradling look like players that should be starting for Nebraska or Colorado.
I guess so. Though Sprads is 18 and FA just sat a year.
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Asprilla and Spradling look like players that should be starting for Nebraska or Colorado.
I guess so. Though Sprads is 18 and FA just sat a year.
Yeah. And you know who was a lot better than those two? Colon and Sutton.
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Congrats on your win today BMW. Sam Houston state barely escaped with an 11pt win @ CSU, so you know CSU isn't messing around.
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Congrats on your win today BMW. Sam Houston state barely escaped with an 11pt win @ CSU, so you know CSU isn't messing around.
Thanks. Congrats on escaping with an 8-point win over Loyola (Ill.).
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Thanks man, road wins are tough when you always get the other teams best shot. That bullseye is always there. With your outstanding up and coming program I think you'll know the feeling here in a few years or so.
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Congrats on your win today BMW. Sam Houston state barely escaped with an 11pt win @ CSU, so you know CSU isn't messing around.
CSU seemed to feed off the empty arena today.
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Congrats on your win today BMW. Sam Houston state barely escaped with an 11pt win @ CSU, so you know CSU isn't messing around.
CSU seemed to feed off the empty arena today.
I heard the CSU coach had them practice in complete silence in order to prepare for the atmosphere.
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Jpullz0 Jacob Pullen
And all the idiots that right on messages boards that say this team suck please just stop watching us FYI we have Internet to we read also
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Jpullz0 Jacob Pullen
And all the idiots that right on messages boards that say this team suck please just stop watching us FYI we have Internet to we read also
samuels had a tweet after the last game calling out his haters that timewise coincided really well with a negative samuels post i made.
it was very flattering, but i couldn't be sure, you know. would be nice if they'd reference individual posters.
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:lol: at Jake's stat lines this season
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This PW video really illustrates what we are lacking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAAZaokBF8
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This PW video really illustrates what we are lacking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAAZaokBF8
what a fun video to watch.
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Jpullz0 Jacob Pullen
And all the idiots that right on messages boards that say this team suck please just stop watching us FYI we have Internet to we read also
I hope they take our insults as motivation to quit sucking.
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Asprilla and Spradling look like players that should be starting for Nebraska or Colorado.
More like some random team in The Valley. Frank was pretty impressed with Butler and their players so he went out and got himself some mid-major material to work with. :users:
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Jpullz0 Jacob Pullen
And all the idiots that right on messages boards that say this team suck please just stop watching us FYI we have Internet to we read also
Dear Jake, you're not a good team at all, tell your team to quit sucking and being a bunch of f'ing pussies.
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Jpullz0 Jacob Pullen
And all the idiots that right on messages boards that say this team suck please just stop watching us FYI we have Internet to we read also
Dear Jake, you're not a good team at all, tell your team to quit sucking and being a bunch of f'ing pussies.
Should probably start a new thread with that as the subject so he'll be certain to see it. :bwpopcorn:
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At the end of the day winners win (period). I don't care how much they win by, I watched woodridge blow plenty of games as head coach when I was young trying to cheer on the cats. If Frank wants to hold players out because they aren't playing as hard as he thinks they should than I don't give a cac as long as we win at the end of the day. Last year was great and we made the elite eight, but we lost to KU 3 times. If Frank is changing things so this doesn't happen again this year, and so a larger group of players can learn to play well together let him do it. Jake is one of the best guards in the country, I lived next door to him for awhile back when he was in the dorms (before I joined a frat), and while he comes across as cocky to many he is smart and knows how to play this game. If we had more than 1 loss to number one Duke it might be a problem but until then Jake and the team are winning. If you want flashy losers cheer on Michigan State or many of the teams in the Pac-10. Wally can either start practicing like a winner or transfer and be flashy on a sub-par team. If we are pissing Jake off than we are actually hurting the team because he has won almost as much as any player in K-State history and thats saying something.
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At the end of the day winners win (period). I don't care how much they win by, I watched woodridge blow plenty of games as head coach when I was young trying to cheer on the cats. If Frank wants to hold players out because they aren't playing as hard as he thinks they should than I don't give a cac as long as we win at the end of the day. Last year was great and we made the elite eight, but we lost to KU 3 times. If Frank is changing things so this doesn't happen again this year, and so a larger group of players can learn to play well together let him do it. Jake is one of the best guards in the country, I lived next door to him for awhile back when he was in the dorms (before I joined a frat), and while he comes across as cocky to many he is smart and knows how to play this game. If we had more than 1 loss to number one Duke it might be a problem but until then Jake and the team are winning. If you want flashy losers cheer on Michigan State or many of the teams in the Pac-10. Wally can either start practicing like a winner or transfer and be flashy on a sub-par team. If we are pissing Jake off than we are actually hurting the team because he has won almost as much as any player in K-State history and thats saying something.
Boo rough ridin' hoo
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lol I know but it makes us the second best team in the big 12 and that sucks, I'd have said the same thing if had been Missouri or any other team if they beat us three times.
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Asprilla and Spradling look like players that should be starting for Nebraska or Colorado.
I guess so. Though Sprads is 18 and FA just sat a year.
Yeah. And you know who was a lot better than those two? Colon and Sutton.
I think you're forgetting how rough ridin' terrible those two were.
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Jpullz0 is going to come bitch slap this thread. :ohno:
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@theymightbegiants, Wally isn't sitting for lack of effort. Frank has said as much
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@theymightbegiants, Wally isn't sitting for lack of effort. Frank has said as much
Just like he missed a game for being sick when he had chick filet for lunch that day and went to all his classes.
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Sick people don't eat? I went to tons of classes when I was sick and I didn't have people actually making sure I was in class.
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Sick people don't eat? I went to tons of classes when I was sick and I didn't have people actually making sure I was in class.
eff you bad person for getting other people sick.
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At the end of the day winners win (period). I don't care how much they win by, I watched woodridge blow plenty of games as head coach when I was young trying to cheer on the cats. If Frank wants to hold players out because they aren't playing as hard as he thinks they should than I don't give a cac as long as we win at the end of the day. Last year was great and we made the elite eight, but we lost to KU 3 times. If Frank is changing things so this doesn't happen again this year, and so a larger group of players can learn to play well together let him do it. Jake is one of the best guards in the country, I lived next door to him for awhile back when he was in the dorms (before I joined a frat), and while he comes across as cocky to many he is smart and knows how to play this game. If we had more than 1 loss to number one Duke it might be a problem but until then Jake and the team are winning. If you want flashy losers cheer on Michigan State or many of the teams in the Pac-10. Wally can either start practicing like a winner or transfer and be flashy on a sub-par team. If we are pissing Jake off than we are actually hurting the team because he has won almost as much as any player in K-State history and thats saying something.
The best guards in the country don't turn the ball over at the rate he is right now. His dribbling/ball handling in general is horrid. I love Pullen and hope he can get it together but people need to stop calling him something he is not right now. He can get there but right now he can score (and shoot too much). But his TO's along could kill us in a game that matters.
That being said I think he will turn it around but conference and we should be o.k. but I wanted to throw a remote the T.V. multiple times yesterday.
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You people suck.
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This PW video really illustrates what we are lacking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAAZaokBF8
what a fun video to watch.
It seems so far away.
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This PW video really illustrates what we are lacking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAAZaokBF8
what a fun video to watch.
It seems so far away.
we were so badass jyc
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Sutton and Clemente were huge losses for jyc status.
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Sutton and Clemente were huge losses for jyc status.
Yeah, I'm not even sure what to call this team, jyc just doesn't fit.
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Thanks for making Jacob Pullen hate us you assholes :cry:
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Sutton and Clemente were huge losses for jyc status.
THis, Denis was the team last year and Rodney isn't making me forget dom.
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:lol: at Jake's stat lines this season
:lol: indeed. i hope he does read this and decides to be good at basketball again.
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Thanks for making Jacob Pullen hate us you assholes :cry:
tell him to play better
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just unwatchably, ******* awful. i'm rooting for a loss at this point. ******* this team.
Fans do not get more unaware than this.
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Sutton and Clemente were huge losses for jyc status.
Yeah, I'm not even sure what to call this team, jyc just doesn't fit.
JYP fits. Frank was about to go there before he caught himself and pulled up short.
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Congrats on your win today BMW. Sam Houston state barely escaped with an 11pt win @ CSU, so you know CSU isn't messing around.
CSU seemed to feed off the empty arena today.
Official attendance was 18,756.
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Congrats on your win today BMW. Sam Houston state barely escaped with an 11pt win @ CSU, so you know CSU isn't messing around.
CSU seemed to feed off the empty arena today.
Official attendance was 18,756.
:lol: (not at the attendance number or anything related)
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I dunno why everyone thought Pullen was going to be John Wall or some crap. jfc.
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I dunno why everyone thought Pullen was going to be John Wall or some crap. jfc.
Because he was voted preseason first team AA? :dunno:
The expectations for Jake and the team were perhaps a bit inflated. It will still probably be the best or second best season in our lifetimes, but people won't be able to enjoy it because their level of enjoyment seems to be based on the mean-ness of threads on phog.net.
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I dunno why everyone thought Pullen was going to be John Wall or some crap. jfc.
Because he was voted preseason first team AA? :dunno:
There is a difference between first team AA and 1st pick in the draft. imo
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The expectations for Jake and the team were perhaps a bit inflated. It will still probably be the best or second best season in our lifetimes, but people won't be able to enjoy it because their level of enjoyment seems to be based on the mean-ness of threads on phog.net.
there may be something to this. but, i'm starting to move to the idea that the expectations weren't that out of line. the defense keeps improving, and it's already near elite (14th). offensively they're a clusterfuck, but still scoring points.
as poorly as they play, they're the 26th best team in the country. it's pretty easy to see areas for easy improvement. top 10ish team going into postseason play doesn't seem far fetched.
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The expectations for Jake and the team were perhaps a bit inflated. It will still probably be the best or second best season in our lifetimes, but people won't be able to enjoy it because their level of enjoyment seems to be based on the mean-ness of threads on phog.net.
there may be something to this. but, i'm starting to move to the idea that the expectations weren't that out of line. the defense keeps improving, and it's already near elite (14th). offensively they're a clusterfuck, but still scoring points.
as poorly as they play, they're the 26th best team in the country. it's pretty easy to see areas for easy improvement. top 10ish team going into postseason play doesn't seem far fetched.
Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU. KU looks better now, so they aren't happy. If KSU lost to UCLA and UofA, our fans would probably be cool with how things are going.
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Its about more than being better than ku, this was most likely the best chance for a big12 champ and ken pom, phog.net and my eyeballs all tell me it ain't happening
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I dunno why everyone thought Pullen was going to be John Wall or some crap. jfc.
Because he was voted preseason first team AA? :dunno:
The expectations for Jake and the team were perhaps a bit inflated. It will still probably be the best or second best season in our lifetimes, but people won't be able to enjoy it because their level of enjoyment seems to be based on the mean-ness of threads on phog.net.
Nails it.
But
I will sure as hell enjoy it. Enjoy the crap out of it.
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Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU.
it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
i think a lot of it just comes back to fun to watch. we became accustomed to a certain level of adorableness.
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Its about more than being better than ku, this was most likely the best chance for a big12 champ and ken pom, phog.net and my eyeballs all tell me it ain't happening
The program isn't yet at a level where you can fairly be upset over not being big 12 champs, especially with the strength of KU and Baylor this year. Maybe you're upset because you think KSU will never be at or above this level again? I suppose that's reasonable, but if you recognize KSU is that level of a program, you don't get the luxury of being upset over losing Big 12 titles by mid-December.
Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU.
it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
i think a lot of it just comes back to fun to watch. we became accustomed to a certain level of adorableness.
I think this clusterfuck of a start will make the moments of clicking that much more incredible.
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Most of you are giant vagina's.
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The recruiting does not reduce the anxiety that last year was the peak. It is probably not justified and I should be gratefull we are out of wooly's 6-10 vortex of mediocrity.
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The recruiting does not reduce the anxiety that last year was the peak. It is probably not justified and I should be gratefull we are out of wooly's 6-10 vortex of mediocrity.
recruiting is going fine.
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The recruiting does not reduce the anxiety that last year was the peak. It is probably not justified and I should be gratefull we are out of wooly's 6-10 vortex of mediocrity.
recruiting is going fine.
It's not going "expect to win a conference title" fine. But probably going better than the NCAA bubble fine.
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It's not going "expect to win a conference title" fine. But probably going better than the NCAA bubble fine.
going to the tourney every year is all i'll ever ask.
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I don't even care about a conference title. As long as we are seeded 4 or better and advance to at least the sweet 16, this is a good season. I'd rather lose to KU 3 times and go to the sweet 16 or better than win the big 12 and lose in the second round.
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It's not going "expect to win a conference title" fine. But probably going better than the NCAA bubble fine.
going to the tourney every year is all i'll ever ask.
Why shoot for 1st when 2nd, 3rd & 4th are more easily attainable? :blank:
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F4 > outright conf champ > E8 > S16 > conf tourney champ
INMO as a fan who's team has not accomplished 3 out of the 5 during my conscious fandom.
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Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU.
it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
i think a lot of it just comes back to fun to watch. we became accustomed to a certain level of adorableness.
I thought that denis being out and jake moving to the point-combo would affect us offensively, however I thought some of that would get made up for with Wally not being a worthless piece of sh*t and Jamar making strides in the consistency category. I thought that the collective improvement of all players would buoy the loss of clemente. it hasn't. i have no idea what it is about this team, maybe it's the breathe the entire f'ing team takes when it gets up 10-15 points on a team and lets it become a game, I don't know. the "numbers" look okay or comparable to last year, but there there's something wrong with this team when I watch it.
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Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU.
it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
i think a lot of it just comes back to fun to watch. we became accustomed to a certain level of adorableness.
I thought that denis being out and jake moving to the point-combo would affect us offensively, however I thought some of that would get made up for with Wally not being a worthless piece of sh*t and Jamar making strides in the consistency category. I thought that the collective improvement of all players would buoy the loss of clemente. it hasn't. i have no idea what it is about this team, maybe it's the breathe the entire f'ing team takes when it gets up 10-15 points on a team and lets it become a game, I don't know. the "numbers" look okay or comparable to last year, but there there's something wrong with this team when I watch it.
sounds like a problem with you, imo.
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Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU.
it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
i think a lot of it just comes back to fun to watch. we became accustomed to a certain level of adorableness.
I thought that denis being out and jake moving to the point-combo would affect us offensively, however I thought some of that would get made up for with Wally not being a worthless piece of sh*t and Jamar making strides in the consistency category. I thought that the collective improvement of all players would buoy the loss of clemente. it hasn't. i have no idea what it is about this team, maybe it's the breathe the entire f'ing team takes when it gets up 10-15 points on a team and lets it become a game, I don't know. the "numbers" look okay or comparable to last year, but there there's something wrong with this team when I watch it.
sounds like a problem with you, imo.
yeah, my expectations for this team being better were way off. they aren't. they suck.
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it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
really? reaction to Wally news from a poster on gpc:
There goes our chance of a national championship.
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LoL
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People who are melting down are retards. This team may not be playing up to their abilities yet, but jfc it's barely december, conference play hasn't even started.
We are a one loss team. I would expect this kind of whiny bullshit if we had LOST the games that we played poorly in, but JFC we didn't.
But this is goEMAW, so go ahead and melt down for no reason. :ksu:
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Yeah, I agree, but our idiot fans thought this was the ONE YEAR that KSU could say they were better than KU.
it's hard to know what people's expectations were. i never bought into the top 5/preseason big 12 champ talk, and i've been melting down as well as anyone other than 'zacker.
i think a lot of it just comes back to fun to watch. we became accustomed to a certain level of adorableness.
I thought that denis being out and jake moving to the point-combo would affect us offensively, however I thought some of that would get made up for with Wally not being a worthless piece of sh*t and Jamar making strides in the consistency category. I thought that the collective improvement of all players would buoy the loss of clemente. it hasn't. i have no idea what it is about this team, maybe it's the breathe the entire f'ing team takes when it gets up 10-15 points on a team and lets it become a game, I don't know. the "numbers" look okay or comparable to last year, but there there's something wrong with this team when I watch it.
sounds like a problem with you, imo.
yeah, my expectations for this team being better were way off. they aren't. they suck.
There's no doubt that the team has looked like complete dogshit a lot of the time, but none of your "expectations" should be out of reach at this point. If they are, you've got some dumb rough ridin' expectations.
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Winter break. Then I'll make my judgement.
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
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at the beginning of the season, 99% of fans would have predicted us to have 1 loss.
no reason to panic unless we drop a bomb against florida or okie state.
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at the beginning of the season, 99% of fans would have predicted us to have 1 loss.
no reason to panic unless we drop a bomb against florida or okie state.
not 99% on this board.
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at the beginning of the season, 99% of fans would have predicted us to have 1 loss.
no reason to panic unless we drop a bomb against florida or okie state.
not 99% on this board.
97% :ck:
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Wow, on page three this thread takes a turn for the great. Excellent points by both SYS and rusty/mich cat.
Was also thinking about how last season we were 11-5 in conference and somehow this season it seems as though 11-5 would be some kind of embarrassment. Like sys pointed out we look like garbage on offense, but KSU is already better defensively than last year and the offense should improve over time.
One other thing I wanted to mention is this school of thought going around that this is some sort of "last chance" to be good. When the reality is that KSU bball is on its best footing in 20 years. There will be dips in performance on some years and there will be peaks as well. I see us plateauing as a fringe top 25 & 6/7 NCAA seed type program, but with up years where we are a 2/3 seed or so and down years where we may miss the dance.
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Wow, on page three this thread takes a turn for the great. Excellent points by both SYS and rusty/mich cat.
Was also thinking about how last season we were 11-5 in conference and somehow this season it seems as though 11-5 would be some kind of embarrassment. Like sys pointed out we look like garbage on offense, but KSU is already better defensively than last year and the offense should improve over time.
One other thing I wanted to mention is this school of thought going around that this is some sort of "last chance" to be good. When the reality is that KSU bball is on its best footing in 20 years. There will be dips in performance on some years and there will be peaks as well. I see us plateauing as a fringe top 25 & 6/7 NCAA seed type program, but with up years where we are a 2/3 seed or so and down years where we may miss the dance.
Yikes. That's a pretty shitty plateau.
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9-1 is just fine. Not winning with style is fine. I'm a little apprehensive about the seeming turmoil and not knowing who's available to play every game. Kind of wish we had a little more direction by now. Maybe it's been this way every year and I don't remember because it all works itself out by the end. :dunno:
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Thought this was a decent read regarding our woes.
http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/2747 (http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/2747)
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9-1 is just fine. Not winning with style is fine. I'm a little apprehensive about the seeming turmoil and not knowing who's available to play every game. Kind of wish we had a little more direction by now. Maybe it's been this way every year and I don't remember because it all works itself out by the end. :dunno:
I agree with this.
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Wow, on page three this thread takes a turn for the great. Excellent points by both SYS and rusty/mich cat.
Was also thinking about how last season we were 11-5 in conference and somehow this season it seems as though 11-5 would be some kind of embarrassment. Like sys pointed out we look like garbage on offense, but KSU is already better defensively than last year and the offense should improve over time.
One other thing I wanted to mention is this school of thought going around that this is some sort of "last chance" to be good. When the reality is that KSU bball is on its best footing in 20 years. There will be dips in performance on some years and there will be peaks as well. I see us plateauing as a fringe top 25 & 6/7 NCAA seed type program, but with up years where we are a 2/3 seed or so and down years where we may miss the dance.
Yikes. That's a pretty shitty plateau.
so you are saying that you wouldn't take 2007-08 through 2010-11 over and over and over again?
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Maybe it's been this way every year and I don't remember because it all works itself out by the end. :dunno:
the beasley year was worse, at least in terms of on the court turmoil. they were pretty shitty against everyone through the end of december (cal, oregon, the neutral games, xavier), then they had a week off and came out defending like a completely different team. went on a expectation-raising streak to open conference play before reverting to their mean.
neither of the clemente years were that dramatic, either in shittyness early or in rapid improvement.
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
winning the big 12, this year, with this team, is not an absurd expectation.
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Maybe it's been this way every year and I don't remember because it all works itself out by the end. :dunno:
the beasley year was worse, at least in terms of on the court turmoil.
I'm talking about off the court or not getting onto the court turmoil. On court turmoil's nothing for the Q@s.
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Maybe it's been this way every year and I don't remember because it all works itself out by the end. :dunno:
the beasley year was worse, at least in terms of on the court turmoil. they were pretty cacty against everyone through the end of december (cal, oregon, the neutral games, xavier), then they had a week off and came out defending like a completely different team. went on a expectation-raising streak to open conference play before reverting to their mean.
neither of the clemente years were that dramatic, either in cactyness early or in rapid improvement.
Beasley year: awful early, great run in conference 7-1, sputter towards the end 3-5, USC.
Clem's first year: awful early, f'ing iowa, like 0-4 to start conference, then 6-0, denis slaps t-magic, sputter at the end, suck on it Jank.
Last year: decent early, but worried about the run of games we have coming up, then fort hays state, then fantastic basketball - suck it dayton, unlv, alabama, texas, energy get's frank'd, good conference play, stumble at the end, then EMAWastic basketball for like 3 weeks.
this year: I'll be nice and say underwhelming early......not sure what the next week will hold.
we've never had this much "suspension" or "personal issues" in any year. sutton came late but that wasn't turmoil, Colon was gone for the a while last year, denis slapped t-magic his first year, frank knocks out energy...that's pretty much it, iirc. christ, this year it's been Sutton leaving, curtis not playing, jamar not playing, now wally gone-ish and frank's oversigned.
updated for frank punching energy last year.
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I love each and every one of them. But I hate that they're taking the "depressed" route through all of this. :ck:
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Maybe it's been this way every year and I don't remember because it all works itself out by the end. :dunno:
the beasley year was worse, at least in terms of on the court turmoil. they were pretty shitty against everyone through the end of december (cal, oregon, the neutral games, xavier), then they had a week off and came out defending like a completely different team. went on a expectation-raising streak to open conference play before reverting to their mean.
neither of the clemente years were that dramatic, either in shittyness early or in rapid improvement.
The 0-4 B12 start followed by reeling off 7 (i think) straight was pretty dramatic. But, no there was not really too much turmoil unless you count Frank verbally assaulting Jake on a nightly basis.
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This team is very frustrating to watch right now, and the reason for it is really simple. We have a ton of potential, but very mediocre performance. Entering the season, I had major doubts that our ranking was deserved, and as it stands right now, there's no way we're deserving of being #5 (maybe 15-20, and not so much because of good performance, but good depth). But here's the good news/bad news all in one: we could be the #5 team if we played hard and smart for 40 minutes.
Watching this team consistently underperform (not to expectations, but to potential) is what grates on me. And I'm not talking about 3-pt shooting percentages or turnovers while pressing the court. I'm talking about laziness on defense, careless unforced turnovers across the board, regular misses by our bigs at point blank range, and wildly inconsistent performance by almost everyone on the roster. Martin has basically said the same thing this whole season (so when you're calling us idiots for being frustrated with this team, you're calling Martin an idiot too, JFC)
To put it simply, this team would be fun to watch if they had a some JYC and Doberman in them. It's Martin's style, but the team is refusing to play to his expectations. The results are difficult to watch, simply because I know that this team is capable of MUCH better than anything we've seen so far, and if they continue to play this way, it will result in a number of losses that didn't need to happen.
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there was a lot of martin-sutton drama in all of sutton's years.
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@acceleration Man.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of our problems aren't effort related. If that were the case the defense wouldn't be playing as well as they are. the biggest problem is not having a legitimate guard to compliment Jake Pullen. This is especially noticeable when Jake is forced to run the point. Without a complimentary guard Jake is basically AJ Abrahms offensively, but he is a much better defender than Abrahms. Because of this we are not loose and free while on offense, we are not having fun while on offense.
We are also missing JYC Dom no doubt. Watch PW's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAAZaokBF8 and notice what Denis and JYC Dom bring to the table. Also notice that the majority of Jake's highlights are him hitting open 3's.
It is also important to remember that Dom didn't always play this way -- about half the time he played like a FP, TC -- but he was our X-factor last year and when he was in JYC mode we were really tough to beat.
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This year wont be that bad no matter what happens. No next year...
No Jake, no Judge, no Kelly.
:baddreamemoticon:
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Transition basketball is fun to watch. Playing abnormally fast is fun to watch. Both are things this team does not do.
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:flush:
The early season meltdowns by tarded fans and idiot media types had become incredibly boring. How in year four have people not seen by now that Frank creates a lot of this? Even if this is your first season watching k-state basketball, hasn't there been enough examples to see that the head coach is creating obstacles for the team. If he's soooo unhappy why not tighten up the rotations? Its like his substitution patterns in the non-con are done with a magic 8 ball.
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I figured it out. Lack of talent isn't the reason we suck...in fact it's the exact opposite. See this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjcj1sgyGDs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjcj1sgyGDs&feature=related)
It's called "failing upwards." We're so goddamn good that we pass over into the "suck" end of the good-suck spectrum (shaped as a circle). This team has hit the area in the spectrum where everything just comes back around to where they are so rough ridin' good that they can play like an 0-26 team and still end up 9-0 against teams who can't be considered "semi-pro." Our newfound level of talent is so misunderstood that it just fucks up the entire structure of everything we've been conceptually conditioned to understand in the world of NCAABB. Not even the CPI can explain this in empirical terms.
Think about it, it's actually a good thing that this team is only trained to use its mind-bending, wisdom-defying skills in college basketball. Can you imagine if these guys were working on a time machine? We'd be bbs'ing in a medieval hut while a bunch of Babylonians stormed the castle with laser guns, bros.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy69%2Fstefanscottm%2FWHOA.gif&hash=8d4831344b3efe6307f6801f35486bce2a1c934a)
^goEMAW'ers trying to comprehend the cessation of the good-suck spectrum to the KSU Overabundance of Talent Loop Feedback Phenomenon (KSUOOTLFP), hence all of the meltdowns the past few days
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
winning the big 12, this year, with this team, is not an absurd expectation.
Expecting to compete for the B12 is not absurd, but expecting to win it is pretty goddam absurd. Even though everyone but Doc picked us first. And even if you think KSU has the most talented team in the league, (which is also a bit absurd) you are smart enough to realize Baylor and KU have talent that is ridiculously close - close enough that none of the three should be expected to just run away from the pack.
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
winning the big 12, this year, with this team, is not an absurd expectation.
Expecting to compete for the B12 is not absurd, but expecting to win it is pretty goddam absurd. Even though everyone but Doc picked us first. And even if you think KSU has the most talented team in the league, (which is also a bit absurd) you are smart enough to realize Baylor and KU have talent that is ridiculously close - close enough that none of the three should be expected to just run away from the pack.
I probably should have said compete, rather than "win". I agree with you.
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
winning the big 12, this year, with this team, is not an absurd expectation.
Expecting to compete for the B12 is not absurd, but expecting to win it is pretty goddam absurd. Even though everyone but Doc picked us first. And even if you think KSU has the most talented team in the league, (which is also a bit absurd) you are smart enough to realize Baylor and KU have talent that is ridiculously close - close enough that none of the three should be expected to just run away from the pack.
I probably should have said compete, rather than "win". I agree with you.
So why the meltdown? :dunno:
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
winning the big 12, this year, with this team, is not an absurd expectation.
Expecting to compete for the B12 is not absurd, but expecting to win it is pretty goddam absurd. Even though everyone but Doc picked us first. And even if you think KSU has the most talented team in the league, (which is also a bit absurd) you are smart enough to realize Baylor and KU have talent that is ridiculously close - close enough that none of the three should be expected to just run away from the pack.
I probably should have said compete, rather than "win". I agree with you.
So why the meltdown? :dunno:
based on how they are playing, I don't see them truly competing for the big 12 at all. unless you count finishing t-2 with baylor/mu, 3-4 games behind ku. i'm not saying turn out the lights, they definitely have time to get better. but I would have expected (maybe hoped is a better word) that with what was coming back, we'd be at a different place than we are right now. maybe the same record, but a different place.
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Yeah people wanting us to 1) be substantially better than last year 2) throwing up lots of fast break dunk shots and 3 pointers or "impress" 3) win the Big 12
A) are idiots who did not really understand last year's team or our current squad
B) seem to have completely melted down due to things that have nothing to do with the actual team but with a whole host of peripheral issues
High comedy that it is this crowd calling out players as pussies.
winning the big 12, this year, with this team, is not an absurd expectation.
Expecting to compete for the B12 is not absurd, but expecting to win it is pretty goddam absurd. Even though everyone but Doc picked us first. And even if you think KSU has the most talented team in the league, (which is also a bit absurd) you are smart enough to realize Baylor and KU have talent that is ridiculously close - close enough that none of the three should be expected to just run away from the pack.
I probably should have said compete, rather than "win". I agree with you.
So why the meltdown? :dunno:
based on how they are playing, I don't see them truly competing for the big 12 at all. unless you count finishing t-2 with baylor/mu, 3-4 games behind ku.
KU has looked good, but not 3-4 games better than K-State and Baylor. Texas and Mizzou look pretty good as well. We could finish anywhere from 1-5.
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baylor's schedule has been garbage this year, i don't understand how anyone could have them listed at the top of the big 12 right now.
ku and mu have both played shitty at different points this year. the b12 has a lot of potential but will be average on more nights than not.
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How in year four have people not seen by now that Frank creates a lot of this? ... hasn't there been enough examples to see that the head coach is creating obstacles for the team.
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I figured it out. Lack of talent isn't the reason we suck...in fact it's the exact opposite. See this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjcj1sgyGDs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjcj1sgyGDs&feature=related)
It's called "failing upwards." We're so goddamn good that we pass over into the "suck" end of the good-suck spectrum (shaped as a circle). This team has hit the area in the spectrum where everything just comes back around to where they are so effing good that they can play like an 0-26 team and still end up 9-0 against teams who can't be considered "semi-pro." Our newfound level of talent is so misunderstood that it just effs up the entire structure of everything we've been conceptually conditioned to understand in the world of NCAABB. Not even the CPI can explain this in empirical terms.
Think about it, it's actually a good thing that this team is only trained to use its mind-bending, wisdom-defying skills in college basketball. Can you imagine if these guys were working on a time machine? We'd be bbs'ing in a medieval hut while a bunch of Babylonians stormed the castle with laser guns, bros.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy69%2Fstefanscottm%2FWHOA.gif&hash=8d4831344b3efe6307f6801f35486bce2a1c934a)
^goEMAW'ers trying to comprehend the cessation of the good-suck spectrum to the KSU Overabundance of Talent Loop Feedback Phenomenon (KSUOOTLFP), hence all of the meltdowns the past few days
So then Wally "taking personal time" is actually a great benefit to the universe to keep the natural order of things? :horrorsurprise:
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Lots of good stuff in this thread. I agree with MIR, none of this is a surprise right now, this is Frank's MO. But it is likely some year it won't work as well as it has in the past. So far the expectations have been lower in past seasons, so essentially every year Frank Franking around has "worked".
Also, I think a lot of people are freaking out based on the WSU and Loyola road games and how they ended. We've had lots of games against teams like that where they hung around most of the game, but in the past it always seemed (though didn't always happen) that we'd go on a little run at the 5 minute mark and put them away, winning comfortably in the last couple minutes. In both the WSU and Loyola games we looked to be on the verge of that, but then we let the opponent back into the game. ISU last year was like that as well except we didn't make the last minute plays to win. The concern then becomes that if we do this in Big 12 play against the ISUs or NUs or CUs we may find a way to lose those games instead of winning most like we did in the past. If you want to compete for a league title you really can't do that.
As far as expectations, record-wise we're where most expected, but level of play not so much. I really don't care about the leads of 20-30 then Franking around and winning only by 15 like we've had at home. I think the concern is mainly from what I mentioned above, plus not really having a chance to win in the last 5 minutes vs Duke. Then to some extent what Rusty mentioned, having to read phog stuff with KU sort of "passing us" this early in the year.
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Lots of good stuff in this thread. I agree with MIR, none of this is a surprise right now, this is Frank's MO. But it is likely some year it won't work as well as it has in the past. So far the expectations have been lower in past seasons, so essentially every year Frank Franking around has "worked".
Also, I think a lot of people are freaking out based on the WSU and Loyola road games and how they ended. We've had lots of games against teams like that where they hung around most of the game, but in the past it always seemed (though didn't always happen) that we'd go on a little run at the 5 minute mark and put them away, winning comfortably in the last couple minutes. In both the WSU and Loyola games we looked to be on the verge of that, but then we let the opponent back into the game. ISU last year was like that as well except we didn't make the last minute plays to win. The concern then becomes that if we do this in Big 12 play against the ISUs or NUs or CUs we may find a way to lose those games instead of winning most like we did in the past. If you want to compete for a league title you really can't do that.
As far as expectations, record-wise we're where most expected, but level of play not so much. I really don't care about the leads of 20-30 then Franking around and winning only by 15 like we've had at home. I think the concern is mainly from what I mentioned above, plus not really having a chance to win in the last 5 minutes vs Duke. Then to some extent what Rusty mentioned, having to read phog stuff with KU sort of "passing us" this early in the year.
I agree with your points, but how much of what I highlighted do you think has to do with who Frank is putting in the game at those critical points? Because to me it seems like we get that lead built up and look to go on a run to finish it off, and then Frank puts a different lineup in of and they get back in it, then the more likely lineup comes in and holds them off for the win.
I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games. He's doing it now against teams we are superior to so that the other guys have the experience for the more critical games should there be foul trouble. imo.
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I agree with your points, but how much of what I highlighted do you think has to do with who Frank is putting in the game at those critical points? Because to me it seems like we get that lead built up and look to go on a run to finish it off, and then Frank puts a different lineup in of and they get back in it, then the more likely lineup comes in and holds them off for the win.
I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games. He's doing it now against teams we are superior to so that the other guys have the experience for the more critical games should there be foul trouble. imo.
True. There are some younger guys in at those times, but we can't help but have young line-ups at times. Our experience pretty much consists of Pullen, Samuels, and Kelly. And its frustrating when one of those guys are making the mistakes, especially when its Pullen.
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9th most experienced in Big 12. KU is 2nd. :surprised:
http://kenpom.com/height.php?s=ExpRank
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9th most experienced in Big 12. KU is 2nd. :surprised:
http://kenpom.com/height.php?s=ExpRank
Yeah.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=8803.msg186401#msg186401
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I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games.
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard itup in big games later in the season. Good observation.
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I agree with your points, but how much of what I highlighted do you think has to do with who Frank is putting in the game at those critical points? Because to me it seems like we get that lead built up and look to go on a run to finish it off, and then Frank puts a different lineup in of and they get back in it, then the more likely lineup comes in and holds them off for the win.
I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games. He's doing it now against teams we are superior to so that the other guys have the experience for the more critical games should there be foul trouble. imo.
True. There are some younger guys in at those times, but we can't help but have young line-ups at times. Our experience pretty much consists of Pullen, Samuels, and Kelly. And its frustrating when one of those guys are making the mistakes, especially when its Pullen.
Agreed, Pullen's turnovers have been pretty frustrating, but I still think that what Frank is doing is building experience for the younger guys for the bigger games.
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9th most experienced in Big 12. KU is 2nd. :surprised:
http://kenpom.com/height.php?s=ExpRank
Yeah.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=8803.msg186401#msg186401
I think i might use this stat alot this season. Everyone will be like "BS". Then bam.
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I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games.
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard itup in big games later in the season. Good observation.
For as bad as they both were, Colon was a starter and Merriweather a large contributor on an Elite 8 team. So bitch about them all you want, but at least be intelligent about it...
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I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games.
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up in big games later in the season. Good observation.
For as bad as they both were, Colon was a starter and Merriweather a large contributor on an Elite 8 team. So bitch about them all you want, but at least be intelligent about it...
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up (http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas St.&y=2010) in big games later in the season. Good observation.
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I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games.
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard itup in big games later in the season. Good observation.
Not at all the same.
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I think this is what is causing people with VLBBIQ to melt down. They aren't realizing that we're not going to be putting that lineup in, in more critical games.
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up in big games later in the season. Good observation.
For as bad as they both were, Colon was a starter and Merriweather a large contributor on an Elite 8 team. So bitch about them all you want, but at least be intelligent about it...
Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up (http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas St.&y=2010) in big games later in the season. Good observation.
So what you're saying is that you basically are unable to distinguish the difference between a football season and a basketball season, and we should stop watching because we've lost one game(no chance of a national title) and aren't blowing people out in ooc games.
K, cool.
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True. There are some younger guys in at those times, but we can't help but have young line-ups at times. Our experience pretty much consists of Pullen, Samuels, and Kelly. And its frustrating when one of those guys are making the mistakes, especially when its Pullen.
I was pretty chill throughout the Loyala game at all times aside from when Asprilla touched the ball, but I have to admit, I :facepalm:'d pretty hard on Pullen's TO in the corner in the waning seconds of the game. Not because I thought we were in any danger of losing, but because he really needs to stop acting like the basketball in non-shooting situations is an irrelevant commodity.
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This is all part of Frank's plan. He knew he had a problem as soon as the pre-season rankings came out. He's gotta make sure we squeak by in these games so the team doesn't get a big head. Tearing them down to build them up. Only game we've lost is the one we had no chance of winning, so hey. Let's see how the next two turn out before jumping off the bandwagon. I think we're doing a great job of developing some depth.
Now if we could just shoot free-throws.
:powerespect:
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If we lose to KU 3 times this year.. :facepalm: haha!
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Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up (http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas St.&y=2010) in big games later in the season. Good observation.
azcat is right, people saying martin is just experimenting, or rough ridin' with his player's heads or whatever are wrong. he plays a crap load of people, if he can. he doesn't tighten up the rotations. he plays them all season.
i mean, he isn't a fanatic about it. if he only has 8 players that he likes, he plays 8. but if he has 11, he'll play 11.
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Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up (http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas St.&y=2010) in big games later in the season. Good observation.
azcat is right, people saying martin is just experimenting, or effing with his player's heads or whatever are wrong. he plays a cac load of people, if he can. he doesn't tighten up the rotations. he plays them all season.
i mean, he isn't a fanatic about it. if he only has 8 players that he likes, he plays 8. but if he has 11, he'll play 11.
This is true, but I think it's also true he'll narrow down his rotations as the season goes on. He'll continue to play a crapload of players, because he (rightly) views depth as one of our primary strengths with the D we play, but the variations in lineups/positions people play will dwindle during conference play / big games.
JMO at this point, did zero research on previous years to back this up.
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Frank's trying to win the Conference. He doesn't give a crap how pretty the wins are at this point. He really doesn't care what the media or people on message boards think. I wish the players understood this.
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Can anyone explain 95's situation?
The boy who runs like a deer has received more minutes than 95..
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Can anyone explain 95's situation?
The boy who runs like a deer has received more minutes than 95..
95 isn't 7' tall. :dunno:
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Re: 95. Kind of wonder if Martin wants to see if he's eligible for the second semester before investing too much.
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Re: 95, he's been on campus for like a month.
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Sort of like last year when Frank played Colon & Energy a lot early on when everyone else pissed him off. All of the HBBIQ types knew that there was absolutely no way Frank would put those two out there and let them 'tard it up (http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas St.&y=2010) in big games later in the season. Good observation.
azcat is right, people saying martin is just experimenting, or rough ridin' with his player's heads or whatever are wrong. he plays a crap load of people, if he can. he doesn't tighten up the rotations. he plays them all season.
i mean, he isn't a fanatic about it. if he only has 8 players that he likes, he plays 8. but if he has 11, he'll play 11.
I'm not talking about who he plays, but when he plays them and for how long. He will tighten up the rotation and get a better sense of player roles, it is a gradual process though its not like we are going to see February's rotation on Saturday. The Colon example is poor, throughout the season WHEN Luis got his minutes significantly changed. It wasn't uncommon for him to get no more than 5 second half minutes. Energy also lost a lot of minutes after the game at Missouri. There were games when he didn't see the floor at all when he started some games in the non-con.
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+Colon deserved every minute he played. Energy not so much.
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This thread is famous....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Kansas-State-s-Jacob-Pullen-tells-fake-fans-to?urn=ncaab-295316#remaining-content
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hi Jake! How you doin' bro? :adios:
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This team has to find or figure out a way to get the ball from the outside to the rim without throwing the ball up. Our problem comes from the fact there isn't a sole player on this team capable of taking a guy of the dribble. Motivation is fine, and is lacking to be sure. But when you have no one to take the ball to the rim, you are going to find it rather difficult to be succesful. We are easy to defend. Get in Pullen's face, and we will have problems scoring points.
Not hitting the panic button.....yet
:doom:
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This team is awful, jay kay.
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This entire thread
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.threadbombing.com%2Fdata%2Fmedia%2F33%2Fabsolute_bullshit.jpg&hash=3a5c2e68b1b2e89e7ad58b6a8a6d14b8ec2a45e9)
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I'm not talking about who he plays, but when he plays them and for how long. He will tighten up the rotation and get a better sense of player roles, it is a gradual process though its not like we are going to see February's rotation on Saturday. The Colon example is poor, throughout the season WHEN Luis got his minutes significantly changed. It wasn't uncommon for him to get no more than 5 second half minutes. Energy also lost a lot of minutes after the game at Missouri. There were games when he didn't see the floor at all when he started some games in the non-con.
i don't see how to link the graph itself. have to go to the page. uncheck the other stats to clarify the graph.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/chris-merriewether/game_stats
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/luis-colon/game_stats
for colon, i don't see any pattern of changing use. with merriewether, it looks like less variance in mpg later in the season, and fewer games with very high (for him) mpg.
there's no data for game situations when players played, just off memory, i recall colon's role as unchanged, start games, start 2nd half. play 3-5 minutes then come out. come back in, for another 3-5 minute bout later in each half.
merriewether, i don't recall as well, if he has such a defined role, i don't think i noticed it. i do, of course, recall him figuring prominently in end of game situs late in the season.
i guess i do agree that martin will begin to establish more defined roles for some players, and mpgs of a few players may become slightly more consistent. i strongly disagree however, with the idea that there will be a dramatic change in player minutes, variance in player seeing the court, that early season rotations are wildly different than later season rotations, and that rotations to date have had much of an impact on performance to date.
basically the idea that kstate has played less well than they could have because martin assigns player minutes differently early in the season vs later in the season.
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come back in, for another 3-5 minute bout later in each half.
great colon description
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save any and all in-season meltdowns for actual losses to certain teams--like any of those horrible christmas break games, any losses to nor-tards, tech, ou. thats it. beyond that its Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to meltdown until we lose in the tourney.
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AWFUL.
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F*CKING AWFUL. You reading this Jake? F*CKING AWFUL.
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Somebody tell me why we are ranked in the top 10???
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OUR BIGS SUCK ASS!!!!
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:flush:
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Somebody tell me why we are ranked in the top 10???
We'll be lucky to win 9 games in conference.
Lucky.
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How awful are we? ALL AMERICAN AWFUL.
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Lots of growing up to do... This Is terrible.
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We rough ridin' suck.
20-8 lead and lose by 20. The epitome of pathetic.
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we'll be lucky to finish 4th in the Big12
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Keep shooting those threes, Jake.
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we'll be lucky to finish 4th in the Big12
We won't finish ahead of A&M so yeah.
And lol at Boyton clownsuiting Jake.
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Yep, this thread is pretty much dead on. How about some rough ridin' offense?
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The recruiting does not reduce the anxiety that last year was the peak. It is probably not justified and I should be gratefull we are out of wooly's 6-10 vortex of mediocrity.
recruiting is going fine.
:lol:
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I hope this team makes the NCAA tournament.
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We love you Jake!!
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:goodbyecruelworld:
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This thread seems appropriate to post in.
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The recruiting does not reduce the anxiety that last year was the peak. It is probably not justified and I should be gratefull we are out of wooly's 6-10 vortex of mediocrity.
recruiting is going fine.
:lol:
I'm going to agree with BMW here. We aren't going to be winning if we keep recruiting players like Spradling, Southwell, Myles, JHR, and Asprilla.
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those guys are fine if they can play with a couple of guys who can get their own shot. Pullen is the only guy that can right now. Ck can at times but he disappeared today like Cole Aldrich was on the floor
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Keep shooting those threes, Jaketeam.
FYP
15.8% 3PM
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thank god i turned it off 5min into the 2nd half... spent the rest of this afternoon jabbing knitting needles into my eyes rather than watch our offense :chainsaw:
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That was pathetic.... I want to see how we respond in the UNLV game. If it's anything similar, I'll be on board with the melt down/this team is going nowhere wagon.
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Oh yeah, the old "the guys we are getting are fine if we can just find a couple of studs to go with them" talking point. Sounds just like the previous (nearly) 20 years Pre-Huggins. Why are we paying Hill $450K a year again??
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We Love you Jake!!!
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I'm just going to remember this thread when it's March...and we have a team again.
Copy and paste....copy and paste....followed by lots of LAWLS.
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I want to see the following players/lineup play for 30 minutes each.
Irving
Pullen
McGruder
Samuels
Kelly
When we sub Irving, I want to see mother effing 95. WHY CAN'T WE EFFING WATCH 95 PLAY?
When he comes back in, Pullen rests and Southwell handles point while Irving shoots off the ball
I might even want to see Wally play for an entire game so he can get some confidence.
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We have the Irving at PG stuff, which I can understand a bit b/c he plays and has good #s, even though he hasn't hardly played PG this year. But I have no idea where the Southwell at PG stuff comes from. Can someone explain?
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I might even want to see Wally play for an entire game so he can get some confidence.
YES!!!!!!!! :emawkid:
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We have the Irving at PG stuff, which I can understand a bit b/c he plays and has good #s, even though he hasn't hardly played PG this year. But I have no idea where the Southwell at PG stuff comes from. Can someone explain?
From what I've seen he has great ball skills and isn't afraid to dribble drive because of said ball skills. We need someone creative enough to get the defense moving to open up lanes and get open shots.
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I bet Shane would have 75 turnovers if he played PG for 15 minutes. Luckily for us, he will never play PG for us.
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Can someone tell me why in the hell Florida is playing a game in the early afternoon on a Monday, at home?
Anyway, they're really knocking the crap out of Atlantic Sun powerhouse Jacksonville, just headed into OT, 61-61.
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Can someone tell me why in the hell Florida is playing a game in the early afternoon on a Monday, at home?
Anyway, they're really knocking the crap out of Atlantic Sun powerhouse Jacksonville, just headed into OT, 61-61.
Clearly, we were another team's super bowl.
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71-68 Jax in OT.
Just reviewing their schedule, they look like a decent mid-major team, played Miami and St Louis tough and beat Auburn(who is admittedly terrible) by double digits.
You could probably predict a letdown for UF after a pretty emotional, hard fought win less than 48 hrs earlier, but still :facepalm:... I guess all we can do is line up and play the next one in front of us, I'm honestly glad it's sooner rather than later.
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I prefer this team in an underdog role. They win with effort and have ever since Huggins got here. Don't like this team at all with the "favorite" label. The intensity just isn't the same.
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71-68 Jax in OT.
Just reviewing their schedule, they look like a decent mid-major team, played Miami and St Louis tough and beat Auburn(who is admittedly terrible) by double digits.
You could probably predict a letdown for UF after a pretty emotional, hard fought win less than 48 hrs earlier, but still :facepalm:... I guess all we can do is line up and play the next one in front of us, I'm honestly glad it's sooner rather than later.
jfc, just another pickle on the crap sandwich that is my week.
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A-W-F-U-L
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this team is weird... we were pretty awful at the beginning of the season. now, i like to think we have turned the corner, granted its been against weak comp. :dunno: though
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this team is weird... we were pretty awful at the beginning of the season. now, i like to think we have turned the corner, granted its been against weak comp. :dunno: though
I think they are a couple of games behind the curve. It seems to me like the real rotation is getting settled into, but we're finding it right now with little room to know if it's the correct one.
Myles is playing more, and I like what he's bringing to the table for the most part. Judge is starting to turn the corner, and I think (hope) Frank is realizing Asprilla needs to sit much, much more, and I think he will as soon as Kelly gets back.
I think the guard rotation is starting to settle a bit, the frontcourt is starting to gel a little more, and we're close. I hate that we start out on the road, but whatever. If they get past OSU, CU and Tech may be enough time to get us where we need to be before going to Columbia on Big Monday.
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this team is weird... we were pretty awful at the beginning of the season. now, i like to think we have turned the corner, granted its been against weak comp. :dunno: though
I think they are a couple of games behind the curve. It seems to me like the real rotation is getting settled into, but we're finding it right now with little room to know if it's the correct one.
Myles is playing more, and I like what he's bringing to the table for the most part. Judge is starting to turn the corner, and I think (hope) Frank is realizing Asprilla needs to sit much, much more, and I think he will as soon as Kelly gets back.
I think the guard rotation is starting to settle a bit, the frontcourt is starting to gel a little more, and we're close. I hate that we start out on the road, but whatever. If they get past OSU, CU and Tech may be enough time to get us where we need to be before going to Columbia on Big Monday.
yeah... judge has been exciting and i like the guard rotation alot more now. i like how we have started pushing the ball again. i htink that has been the key to our improvement.
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I think (hope) Frank is realizing Asprilla needs to sit much, much more, and I think he will as soon as Kelly gets back.
If this is true I might start caring again.
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I think (hope) Frank is realizing Asprilla needs to sit much, much more, and I think he will as soon as Kelly gets back.
If this is true I might start caring again.
he's just sick, dumbasses.
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Missouri is going to ass rape us to death on big monday.
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Missouri is going to ass rape us to death on big monday.
meh. they'll probably beat us, but it won't be an ass raping.
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The sudden spike in ppg is definitely reassuring. We shall see if the "Frank's teams always play well coming out of break" theme continues this year. If so, I think we win @MU. We do have the revenge factor on our side and we have been battle tested on the road..
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Missouri is going to ass rape us to death on big monday.
yes. it will be painful. we'll just have to find a way to sit back and enjoy it.
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he's just sick, dumbasses.
Hopefully he remains sick until the first Tuesday in April.
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save any and all in-season meltdowns for actual losses to certain teams--like any of those horrible christmas break games, any losses to nor-tards, tech, ou. thats it. beyond that its Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to meltdown until we lose in the tourney.
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When are we gonna play defense?......... :facepalm:
I'm hoping that, come Saturday, the intensity and doggedness of the JYCs will return :ohno:
btw - ya think I should add Dillards Bags to JP and CKs hands in my avatar?
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When are we gonna play defense?......... :facepalm:
I'm hoping that, come Saturday, the intensity and doggedness of the JYCs will return :ohno:
btw - ya think I should add Dillards Bags to JP and CKs hands in my avatar?
OMG! That is hilarious! Did you just come up with that?
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that was a nice run we had.
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Yep, it was fun. He 'Te, how about you get off your ass and recruit someone that doesn't suck ass.
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that was a nice run we had.
Grats zacker you earned this one
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It was nice indeed. Welcome back to the shitty no post-season Wooly years.
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:cry:
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:goodbyecruelworld:
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when we were bad, i used to wish for a sporadically good team. so, i'm kinda okay with all of this.
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It was nice indeed. Welcome back to the shitty no post-season Wooly years.
i dunno there were some pretty awesome threads in the early days of ksufans...wooly's last season i believe.
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when we were bad, i used to wish for a sporadically good team. so, i'm kinda okay with all of this.
yeah. this is pretty nice, really.
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I think it's okay to expect more out of ksu bball.
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back to reality. it was a nice run we had.
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grats zacker.