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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: yoga-like_abana on February 09, 2022, 02:55:04 PM
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I believe that we will win :bball:
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Maybe against the spread.
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spread those legs and that zone bears because we're coming in
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spread those legs and that zone bears because we're coming in
if we're talking sexual assault, baylor's got us there.
but if we're talking the game of college basketball, i'm with you, we'll win tonight :bball:
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I believe that we will win :bball:
Yep, this one feels like a W. I expect some really inspired ball from our big 3 tonight. If we get 40% 3p shooter McGuirl tonight we win.
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Bring on Scott Drew's Baylor Bears :ksu:
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Rumblings Shane had the scout tonight, and you all know what that means.
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I believe that we will win :bball:
Yep, this one feels like a W. I expect some really inspired ball from our big 3 tonight. If we get 40% 3p shooter McGuirl tonight we win.
Man, this would kill the the fight for (below) .500
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baylor? i barely knew her!
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Nijel trying to singe handily win this game for the cats
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so far the optimists (not sure how serious yall were) are looking good...i don't remember who all was missing in that last baylor game, but that was about a big of a mismatch as i've seen in any major conference game this year...so i guess i'm surprised here so far
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Well it was also the first game after the ku disaster
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Good lord this pbp guys is really bad. Are they calling the game remote?
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this utter lack of d-boarding is so frustrating...like it annoys me more than any other flaw in any sport i can think of
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Honestly I couldn’t ask for a better half from us relative to what we are capable of. Gave ourselves a chance to go win the second half and come away with a W.
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actually i take that back...hearing the name Everyday John is the one more annoying thing than this complete lack of d-boarding
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actually i take that back...hearing the name Everyday John is the one more annoying thing than this complete lack of d-boarding
Pretty easy pimpin' if you get your girls hooked up with a couple of everyday johns
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actually i take that back...hearing the name Everyday John is the one more annoying thing than this complete lack of d-boarding
Pretty easy pimpin' if you get your girls hooked up with a couple of everyday johns
not sure i buy this logic...it is well understood that pimping aint easy
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Man they don't look good right now
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McGuirl with like five bad possessions in a row
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I STILL BELIEVE
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Bradford is so bad now. Wtf was that volleyball bump on that rebound attempt.
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I know it's unfair, but McGuirl just gives it away so easily it seems. He just kills this team.
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Nijel might be the hottest transfer on the market in 2022
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Save yourself Nigel, portal kombat!
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Bradford is so bad now. Wtf was that volleyball bump on that rebound attempt.
He’s a tub of lard.
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I know it's unfair, but McGuirl just gives it away so easily it seems. He just kills this team.
Mcguirl is like that old fart that needs to retire to let someone else advance but he has nothing else planned for his life
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After watching that game, I feel really bad for Pack and Smith. It was 2 on 5 for the most part.
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if there's someone in front of bradford, he has 0 chance of scoring.
low bbiq here but i feel a lot better with linguard in there.
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if there's someone in front of bradford, he has 0 chance of scoring.
low bbiq here but i feel a lot better with linguard in there.
The staff mumped this up badly. Bradford got way too many minutes. Linguard was the best of the three, by far. Ez was okay but he messed up one rotation and oscar freaked out and pulled him and never put him back in.
I watch a lot of Big 12 basketball and Bradford, Massoud, and McGuirl are 109% the three worst players in the conference that gets regular minutes. I didn't even mention Luke. He's now 10-36 from 3 this season and 15-63 for his career. Brutal. We have three of the best players in the league, the rest are just terrible, horrible. The only other player on the roster who's even above replacement value, is hurt. I hate talking so poorly about college students, but a majority of this roster aren't big 12 quality players. This year is so crazy similar to Wooly's last year, but his team was deeper than this one.
oscar will get fired, Nijel will transfer, Mark will graduate, and Marquis is stuck here, if he doesn't graduate, for his super senior season.
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if there's someone in front of bradford, he has 0 chance of scoring.
low bbiq here but i feel a lot better with linguard in there.
The staff mumped this up badly. Bradford got way too many minutes. Linguard was the best of the three, by far. Ez was okay but he messed up one rotation and oscar freaked out and pulled him and never put him back in.
I watch a lot of Big 12 basketball and Bradford, Massoud, and McGuirl are 109% the three worst players in the conference that gets regular minutes. I didn't even mention Luke. He's now 10-36 from 3 this season and 15-63 for his career. Brutal. We have three of the best players in the league, the rest are just terrible, horrible. The only other player on the roster who's even above replacement value, is hurt. I hate talking so poorly about college students, but a majority of this roster aren't big 12 quality players. This year is so crazy similar to Wooly's last year, but his team was deeper than this one.
oscar will get fired, Nijel will transfer, Mark will graduate, and Marquis is stuck here, if he doesn't graduate, for his super senior season.
KT Turner will certainly have playing time to sell when he arrives on campus in March
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it really was baffling how we were doing good with linguard in there, and then didn't play him the second half. at least he has a shot that the defense has to respect.
losing mark smith will really hurt next year. doesn't seem like anybody else would fill his shoes, although we'll have another 2-3 open spots for transfers again. it's not the end of the world if oscar and nijel stays, but if it were up to me, blow it up and start fresh. maybe nijel sticks around anyways since it's risky to leave a good situation (for him), and with transfers, a new coach can come in and start winning quickly.
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No chance today
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They suck too
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We should win today
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Bradford = Luis Colon
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That's an insult to Colon.
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This team looks bad. If oscar loses out they have to fire him right?
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We can't have Bradford and McGuirl out there at the same time.
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Should just play linguard until he hits 5 fouls then play EZ and if he gets 5 Bradford comes in
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Should just play linguard until he hits 5 fouls then play EZ and if he gets 5 Bradford comes in
I like it
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Luke Kasubke is a career 23% three point shooter.
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I think his injury last year changed him athletically to the point he can’t really do much of anything a good basketball player should do.
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Luke Kasubke is a career 23% three point shooter.
His shot never looks comfortable.
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Like a 40 year old man who's 20 pounds overweight shooting jump shots in his driveway.
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Pack is just so good. Best player we've had since Beasley? Probably controversial, but I think he has a strong case.
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He's not better than Jacob Pullen. Pack is a better shooter but Pullen was more versatile and a significantly better defender. Claws was better too, but Nijel is more reliable.
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The eff was Massoud thinking?
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You're right,I should have limited it to best scorer. I'm that case, I think he's better than Dean, but only because he's more aggressive in taking what's his than Dean was IMHO.
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:surprised:
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1492630972218712066
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Goddamn it pass out to pack when he's that open.
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What a shot
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What the eff?
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Why?
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And why did we draw up a play for McGuirl to take the shot?
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When hero ball goes all sorts of wrong.
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So like k-state. :facepalm:
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If Pack doesn't get a shot in OT I swear to God.
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Let's rough ridin' do this
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We might!
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🛣🐶
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I was mean to McGuirl, but he's been good on defense today
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Nowell is my fave on this team by far
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I said some very mean things to him very loudly at the end of regulation
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wasnt grill a ksu recruit? bullet dodged my god
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Tee hee hee!
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Teams have Iowa State figured out apparently. Just an epic mid-season faceplant.
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Selton, Pack, Nowell, Smith, MyGirl, Massoud, :Woot:
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Pack is just so good. Best player we've had since Beasley? Probably controversial, but I think he has a strong case.
The season isn't over and what the team accomplishes has to be factored into that, but so far it is hard to argue you are wrong. At least when just looking at and comparing where any other players was at as a sophomore. Whether raw per game stats, efficiency states or per 40 stats as a sophomore Pack is better than everyone else past 15-20 years. Hard to tell if he'll keep progressing like Pullen but same year comparison he is better at everything across the board and more efficient doing it except slightly less steals and less assist but less turnovers so a better assist/turnover ratio and less fouls.
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:katpak: is basically a shorter, less athletic curry. which makes it harder for him to get off shots but he still shoots a high % somehow. 33/62 the last 8 games :surprised:
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Pack is a fantastic player and you're unlucky to have him, because he may singlehandedly save oscar's job.
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Mark Smith is averaging a double double over the last 5 games so maybe throw him in the saving oscar’s job category.
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Teams have Iowa State figured out apparently. Just an epic mid-season faceplant.
That 12-0 was schedule driven, Wooly was the king of that.
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Pack is a fantastic player and you're unlucky to have him, because he may singlehandedly save oscar's job.
Winning basketball games is a real drag.
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I didn’t know they started off on a 13-0 run. Lol us, but lol Iowa state a lot more
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I didn’t know they started off on a 13-0 run. Lol us, but lol Iowa state a lot more
Their coach couldn't look more Iowa-y if he tried
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Not to image shame, but that little tuft of hair he's clinging to on the front looks bad.
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I believe we will win tonight.
And it won't be that close.
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I believe we will win tonight.
And it won't be that close.
I wonder when was the last time we were favored in a conference game
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I believe we will win tonight.
And it won't be that close.
We absolutely should destroy them. So why do I feel we get way out rebounded and have bad turnovers and lose this one?
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I believe we will win tonight.
And it won't be that close.
I wonder when was the last time we were favored in a conference game
The OK St game.
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We’ll be favored again against ISU and OU, dunno about OSU. Amazing to have a shot at 50% after this shitshow of a season
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I can't believe there's already another game tonight.
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Slow start again. Sloppy with the passing so far .
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That aborted alley OOP... Yikes
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I believe we will win tonight.
And it won't be that close.
I don't know man, it doesn't look likely.
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“Play on the ball” as we see a replay of him obviously going for his arm
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We have a lead!
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That didn’t last long!
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Nowell my guy
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This is fun!
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Now we're cooking!
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Ticky tack crap
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Going to turn into a free throw contest
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These announcers are as dumb as the refs.
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That was the best call they’ve made all night
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Huggins coached team being dirty, what’s new
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He’s probably coaching them drunk. Reminds me of hopper from Hoosiers
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Why couldn't we find oscar a shirt that fits him?
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He’s probably coaching them drunk. Reminds me of hopper from Hoosiers
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Pretty chill tonight. Probably has to being one temper tantrum away from a heart attack
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Mark Smith is a double double machine
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Huggins coached team being dirty, what’s new
More like thuggins
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Mark Smith is a double double machine
There is a reason he had 2 points vs KU. Self knows his worth. He is the man!
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going to miss him so much. favorite cat this year.
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That aborted alley OOP... Yikes
That kid is broken forever and Nowell constantly yells at him, deservedly so.
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Why couldn't we find oscar a shirt that fits him?
It looked so awful
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That aborted alley OOP... Yikes
That kid is broken forever and Nowell constantly yells at him, deservedly so.
when linguard missed that hook shot it was a breath of fresh air, seeing a shot actually go over someone
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We’re in at 9-9, yes? I think we can work that.
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We'll have a shot that's for sure, but will be tough, the OSU game this weekend is basically a must win to make that work
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We'll have a shot that's for sure, but will be tough, the OSU game this weekend is basically a must win to make that work
I agree. @OSU is the toughest of the must-wins we have remaining, then we have to get OU and ISU at home. I can't imagine winning in Lubbock or Lawrence.
At 9-9, I think we have a chance. At 9-9 plus another win against Texas (projected opponent in 4/5 P66 game), I think we're in good shape.
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9-9 is a lock for the NCAA’s imo, 8-10 going to need a win in KC and maybe some prayer.
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We’re not beating Kansas but wouldn’t count us out against Tech. We seem unfazed by the road. Although that prob has more to do with not having much home court advantage with our idiot fans
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9-9 is a lock for the NCAA’s imo, 8-10 going to need a win in KC and maybe some prayer.
Agreed.
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I've said since the beginning of January after the Texas Game in Manhattan where we were very undermanned...I think this team wins the Big 12 Tourney for some reason. Call it crazy but this is a move that I can see happening. Of course to follow up i've also thought they win the Big 12 Tourney and lose in the first round of the NCAA Tourney.
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if the tournament was the bottom 7 i think we win
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Very important to win today. A loss today is devastating to our tournament chances.
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Have to win out now
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Have to win out now
No we don’t, we have 4 left and only need 3.
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I don't think 9-9 is going to do it this year
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Altho if we beat both KU and Tech...
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well 9-9 beating tech or ku is a lot better than 9-9 beating osu. i still believe. these kids got heart.
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Ok I'm on team 9-9 let's do this
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Oh no. Just realized that this is the night when the Cats must to go to Lawrence to accept their annual thrashing at the hands of Self. Has to be one of the Top 5 worst things about being a Cat fan.
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i believe that at some point with under 12 minutes to play that it will be a 1 possession game but ultimately we lose by double digits...probably 12, maybe 20 if bill is feeling saucy.
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i believe that at some point with under 12 minutes to play that it will be a 1 possession game but ultimately we lose by double digits...probably 12, maybe 20 if bill is feeling saucy.
12 would be ideal because I am taking the 12.5 points. Gluten for punishment, I suppose.
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forgot until a coworker mentioned that we play ku tonight. go cats
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For the #TruCat fans: how much do we win by tonight?
For the squawks AKA #FakeCatNation AKA #RedAndBlueAnon: how many minutes left in the game when Rock Chalk echoes throughout the urine mist soaked Allen Fieldhouse?
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Never lead but win on a Nijel Pack buzzer beater
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We probably get down by 15 points or so within the first 8 minutes and stay within about 15-20 points ahead the rest of the way.
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This would be the absolute Bruciest of wins which makes me think we have a chance.
More realistically though, I think we get beat by single digits because Bill doesn't respect us enough to absolutely thrash us.
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i believe. if we put our believes together we can overcome anything.
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We probably get down by 15 points or so within the first 8 minutes and stay within about 15-20 points ahead the rest of the way.
We are down by 15 after managing to score 8 points in the first 10 minutes of the game.
Expend massive amounts of energy cutting it to single digits at some point.
Squawks go to a 19 -3 run to slam the door on any hope of an upset victory for the BruceCats.
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i believe. if we put our believes together we can overcome anything.
Wooly did it.. why not oscar!?
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i believe. if we put our believes together we can overcome anything.
Wooly did it.. why not oscar!?
Right this is a Santa Claus scenario here. If we lose, I'll know it was because we as fans didn't believe enough.
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Here's a video to get the 'cats pumped up for tonight:
https://youtu.be/9ZR12iOG9_Q
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Let's remember who we're playing against:
https://twitter.com/dkg_hilife/status/1496183695648210949?t=y4dSU4P9gOgYVqf93I8ygA
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:sdeek:
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Yes, let's make this about some no-name Tweeter whose comment received zero likes and one sarcastic response. Dipshits. Meanwhile, Riley Gates chimes in with a two-tone non-sequitur, even though it's not his problem.
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Yes, let's make this about some no-name Tweeter whose comment received zero likes and one sarcastic response. Dipshits. Meanwhile, Riley Gates chimes in with a two-tone non-sequitur, even though it's not his problem.
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We probably get down by 15 points or so within the first 8 minutes and stay within about 15-20 points ahead the rest of the way.
We are down by 15 after managing to score 8 points in the first 10 minutes of the game.
Expend massive amounts of energy cutting it to single digits at some point.
Squawks go to a 19 -3 run to slam the door on any hope of an upset victory for the BruceCats.
That is about how damn near every game at AFH has gone since I've cared. Especially after we hit like a big 3 or some crap to make it like 51-45, Self calls a TO, and then before you know it it's 70-48 (to match you point differential) but it happens in the like span of 1 TV time out (usually the under 16 to under 12 minute in the second half)
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We probably get down by 15 points or so within the first 8 minutes and stay within about 15-20 points ahead the rest of the way.
We are down by 15 after managing to score 8 points in the first 10 minutes of the game.
Expend massive amounts of energy cutting it to single digits at some point.
Squawks go to a 19 -3 run to slam the door on any hope of an upset victory for the BruceCats.
That is about how damn near every game at AFH has gone since I've cared. Especially after we hit like a big 3 or some crap to make it like 51-45, Self calls a TO, and then before you know it it's 70-48 (to match you point differential) but it happens in the like span of 1 TV time out (usually the under 16 to under 12 minute in the second half)
Yeah, this is pretty rough ridin' accurate
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Yes, let's make this about some no-name Tweeter whose comment received zero likes and one sarcastic response. Dipshits. Meanwhile, Riley Gates chimes in with a two-tone non-sequitur, even though it's not his problem.
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His hand gestures, man
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Yes, let's make this about some no-name Tweeter whose comment received zero likes and one sarcastic response. Dipshits. Meanwhile, Riley Gates chimes in with a two-tone non-sequitur, even though it's not his problem.
Relax squawk bro, I know that. I know that if it became a contest on finding dipshits it would be a tight race. I just thought it funny it was like the first response.
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Yes, let's make this about some no-name Tweeter whose comment received zero likes and one sarcastic response. Dipshits. Meanwhile, Riley Gates chimes in with a two-tone non-sequitur, even though it's not his problem.
Relax squawk bro, I know that. I know that if it became a contest on finding dipshits it would be a tight race. I just thought it funny it was like the first response.
Ok, CHONGS. If you say so. I'm gonna need Pete to weigh in, to be sure.
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I hope that scoreboard thing got fixed before the game tonight. Don’t want any decapitations coming out of the tunnel.
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I mean it's not terrible yet
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This feels like the best KU I’ve seen in quite some time offensively. Defense is a little suspect.
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This game has 20+ loss written all over it right now
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It's far too easy for KU to score
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We're going to need one of the the best defensive halves in k-state history to pull this one out.
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I don’t think I believed hard enough
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Braun is easily the most punchable face I've seen this side of Martin Shkreli
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i was promised great 3 point defense
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How many ncaa tournament teams have had 100 points scored on them in a regulation game?
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It's far too easy for KU to score
They make basketball look easy and fun.
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Self gonna hang 120 on Weber in his farewell at the Phog
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We are getting eviscerated.
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how hard do we have to believe to make a comeback?
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I get the funny feeling that KU is going to win it all this year
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Self gonna hang 120 on Weber in his farewell at the Phog
When self knows oscar’s seat is warm he throws him a moral victory to make sure he’s around the following season for the guaranteed Ws. He knows oscar is getting canned after this season so might as well pants him so everyone can see his white boxer shorts with red hearts all over them
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Guys.... oscar isn't going anywhere
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I don’t think we can overcome this lead
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Guys.... oscar isn't going anywhere
This.
When the court gets named after you that makes you immortal.
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I get the funny feeling that KU is going to win it all this year
Can’t really argue with that, they are about as good as I can remember in a long time.
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Guys.... oscar isn't going anywhere
STOP SAYING THAT CHUNGUS!
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guys we got 80 points!
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65% from 3 lol
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We should get a home NIT game right?
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Several silver linings from this game. we absolutely dominated the last 3:40 of the game. Outscored them something like 9-3 I think
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We should get a home NIT game right?
I think if we win our remaining home games yes
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I get the funny feeling that KU is going to win it all this year
Shut up, CHONGS. This is a hex.
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I get the funny feeling that KU is going to win it all this year
Shut up, CHONGS. This is a hex.
Ja ja ja ja!
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We should get a home NIT game right?
We have a good chance of ending up at .500 or below and if that’s the case, we won’t be in the NIT either. Have to have a winning record.
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:frown:
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https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/02/21/three-big-12-teams-heading-to-nit-in-dratings-bracketology/
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7 seed? :frown:
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We will make the NIT. It won't be enough to save oscar from being retired.
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Do we hang a banner for participating in Q1 games? Bc we should. We absolutely participated the crap out of those games
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So on Reddit, it's a foregone conclusion Pack's gone. If that's so, Oscar needs to go and make restitution payments for setting back the program.
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We will make the NIT. It won't be enough to save oscar from being retired.
I’m just saying, they better win the next two at home:
In an effort to maintain some quality, a rule saying that a team must have a . 500 or better record to qualify for the NIT was imposed. The NCAA announced a revamped selection process starting with the 2017 tournament.
Related competitions: NIT Season Tip-Off; NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Champ...
Official website: www.ncaa.com/championships/basketball-men/nit
No. of teams: 32
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
National Invitation Tournament - Wikipedia
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https://twitter.com/grantflanders/status/1496343494612369410?s=21
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:lol:
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https://twitter.com/rtmccombs/status/1496347322367762440?s=21
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I get the funny feeling that KU is going to win it all this year
Sure they could, but they would be the worst defensive team to win it in the 68 team era.
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We should get a home NIT game right?
We have a good chance of ending up at .500 or below and if that’s the case, we won’t be in the NIT either. Have to have a winning record.
That requirement has been removed.
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7 seed? :frown:
NIT seeds are pretty much the net ratings in order, I doubt we will be that low of a seed.
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:lol:
There are several schools doing this.
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Several silver linings from this game. we absolutely dominated the last 3:40 of the game. Outscored them something like 9-3 I think
Not just last 3:40, we torched their asses all game.
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If Nijel got the wide-open looks that KU players were getting, his numbers would be ridiculous
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https://twitter.com/rtmccombs/status/1496347322367762440?s=21
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2022/02/23/byu-mens-basketball/
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Will take
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They'll just beat us, as usual. :rolleyes:
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seems pretty dumb to go looking for another non-con game. with 3 games left we only need to win 1 to ensure we are .500 or better. adding another game just means we have to win at least 2. So if the worry is that we might lose out our remaining 3 games, adding 1 more non-con game won't get us to the .500 line, we still have to win at least 1 of our remaining conference games.
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They'll just beat us, as usual. :rolleyes:
Shut up, KP.
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oscar trying everything to make that bubble not burst
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I would too. Too bad he can't ship in an adequate big in overnight as well.
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oscar specializes in save-my-job scenarios
Should be a fascinating follow.
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It also gives oscar an extra shot at 500 career wins this season. He’s currently sitting at 497.
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seems pretty dumb to go looking for another non-con game. with 3 games left we only need to win 1 to ensure we are .500 or better. adding another game just means we have to win at least 2. So if the worry is that we might lose out our remaining 3 games, adding 1 more non-con game won't get us to the .500 line, we still have to win at least 1 of our remaining conference games.
You're placing far too much emphasis on being .500, that doesn't matter a solitary bit. We need wins and quad 1 wins at that. He should be trying to schedule quad 1 games for next Tuesday and Thursday but he can't do that even if he wanted to since we're only 1 game short.
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Has there ever been a team to make the tournament at .500 or below without winning their conference tournament?
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there has never been a team that made the tourney with an at large bid with a .500 record or worse. Only teams to make the tourney with a .500 record or worse were autobids.
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Yeah, I figured. Records still count.
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There are obviously a lot more details that go into it, but typically the worst overall records that get at-larges are about 18-14.
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There are obviously a lot more details that go into it, but typically the worst overall records that get at-larges are about 18-14.
Yup. The Syracuse's of the world. And they always make a run too.
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Yeah, I figured. Records still count.
Wacky, come on man, being 1 game closer or further away from .500 isn't at all a factor. We've already piled up enough losses, that ship has sailed. As far as the tournament profile goes there is no difference between 16-14 and 17-13. At that point it's all about having the right wins to give you a high enough NET and enough quad 1 wins. Worth noting that as it sits today BYU is 51 in the net, which means it would not be a quad 1 opportunity for K-State but it would be one for BYU.
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One game at a time. We can beat tech. Our offense is great, just torched UK’s ass
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Yeah, I figured. Records still count.
Wacky, come on man, being 1 game closer or further away from .500 isn't at all a factor. We've already piled up enough losses, that ship has sailed. As far as the tournament profile goes there is no difference between 16-14 and 17-13. At that point it's all about having the right wins to give you a high enough NET and enough quad 1 wins. Worth noting that as it sits today BYU is 51 in the net, which means it would not be a quad 1 opportunity for K-State but it would be one for BYU.
Yeah, the new metrics just confuse me a bit. Quality wins should absolutely matter and I hope the Covid stuff is taken into the thought process as well. We win out, we’re in, but we all know that’s a tall task. I just knew the NIT did the .500 record thing in 2017 and that’s why I brought it up. When did they axe that?
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We really need to win today. A loss today might end ALL post season hopes. Unless you think we'd do the CBI.
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We really need to win today. A loss today might end ALL post season hopes. Unless you think we'd do the CBI.
You’re right, Chings and most P5’s say no to that tournament, because it’s embarrassing to be there.
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This start is good!!
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Mark Smith has been a helluva get for us. I admit I was skeptical when he transferred that he'd have this big of an impact. He should get All Big 12 honors (not first team, but somewhere).
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2/3 transfers have been absolute nails. Only reason we are even flirting with the bubble.
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Come on guys.
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Ugh.....
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Bradford sucks an is so incredibly bad.. Not many on this team have a desire to win today.
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embarrassing
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i really thought massoud was going to miss again
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I hope this loss was the worst KSU basketball news I got today.
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Just lol at hitting that half-court shot at the end.
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Fun game after the big deficit!
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But I'm not sure I believe any more
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I can't recall a bigger disparity between the three best players on the team and everyone else. We have three guys that should all be either first or second team all conference then outside of maybe Miguel, I'm not sure if any of the rest the roster will see significant P5 minutes after this season.
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Let’s get 10 transfers
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Let’s get 10 transfers
How’s about 9 transfers and 1 head coach? Or are you still on that build back brucer kick?
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Let’s get 10 transfers
We could play Nowell,Pack, Transfer, Ish, Transfer and be tournament worthy next year I think
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Pack
Nowell
Smith
Ish
Everybody else
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mcgurl leaving instantly makes us better
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Ish should not be on any list with those other three guys.
He is a 6'9 player that gets less than 2 rebounds a game, can't guard anyone, and a 'shooter' that is shooting 30% from 3. He played damn near 30 minutes against ISU and got 2 rebounds on 16% shooting. I would love to see his +/- this year, but can't seem to find it.
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He's had moments, but yes he disappears at times.
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Ish should not be on any list with those other three guys.
He is a 6'9 player that gets less than 2 rebounds a game, can't guard anyone, and a 'shooter' that is shooting 30% from 3. He played damn near 30 minutes against ISU and got 2 rebounds on 16% shooting. I would love to see his +/- this year, but can't seem to find it.
Shooting 35% overall while shooting more 3s than 2s. He won't play in the paint which is our biggest weakness. I can understand oscar trying to play him as a stretch 4 as I think that's been a keystone of his best teams but Ish isn't good enough to do it.
I wish we ran good enough offense to get Nijel easy looks. I'd guess he has the highest 3pt % in the nation on unassisted shots. I think his scoring ability is up there with Pullen and he does it with a lot less around him.
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Ish should not be on any list with those other three guys.
He is a 6'9 player that gets less than 2 rebounds a game, can't guard anyone, and a 'shooter' that is shooting 30% from 3. He played damn near 30 minutes against ISU and got 2 rebounds on 16% shooting. I would love to see his +/- this year, but can't seem to find it.
100% agree. I'd rather have Bradford than Massoud. We've seen a season of Bradford playing at least decently. Bradford, given an off season of strength and conditioning, could get back to what he was.
The thing about it is that Ish is really the only person that we're certain is coming back, he's used his free transfer.
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Ish should not be on any list with those other three guys.
He is a 6'9 player that gets less than 2 rebounds a game, can't guard anyone, and a 'shooter' that is shooting 30% from 3. He played damn near 30 minutes against ISU and got 2 rebounds on 16% shooting. I would love to see his +/- this year, but can't seem to find it.
All of that and he also takes really terrible low percentage shots at terrible times in a terrible offense.
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Went to the game and it's incredible how passive Ish is all the time.
And Bradford looked like he had zero business on the court with ISU's dude.
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I can't recall a bigger disparity between the three best players on the team and everyone else. We have three guys that should all be either first or second team all conference then outside of maybe Miguel, I'm not sure if any of the rest the roster will see significant P5 minutes after this season.
It really is amazing, the core of Smith/Pack/Nowell is as legit as really any team could ask for, everyone else is just not really worth it at all.
I would love to see this team with an actually good big man, they'd tear it up.
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I can't recall a bigger disparity between the three best players on the team and everyone else. We have three guys that should all be either first or second team all conference then outside of maybe Miguel, I'm not sure if any of the rest the roster will see significant P5 minutes after this season.
It really is amazing, the core of Smith/Pack/Nowell is as legit as really any team could ask for, everyone else is just not really worth it at all.
I would love to see this team with an actually good big man, they'd tear it up.
I've compared this team to Wooly's last team in 2006. This year's big 3 are better than Martin, Hoskins, and Harris, but that team also had Akeem Wright, Clint Stewart, Darren Kent, Schyler Thomas, and Dramane Diarra, every single one of them is better than who their comp on this team is
Akeem>Miguel
Clint>McGuirl
Kent>Ish
Thomas>Kasubke
Diarra>Bradford/Ez/Linguard
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I can't recall a bigger disparity between the three best players on the team and everyone else. We have three guys that should all be either first or second team all conference then outside of maybe Miguel, I'm not sure if any of the rest the roster will see significant P5 minutes after this season.
It really is amazing, the core of Smith/Pack/Nowell is as legit as really any team could ask for, everyone else is just not really worth it at all.
I would love to see this team with an actually good big man, they'd tear it up.
I've compared this team to Wooly's last team in 2006. This year's big 3 are better than Martin, Hoskins, and Harris, but that team also had Akeem Wright, Clint Stewart, Darren Kent, Schyler Thomas, and Dramane Diarra, every single one of them is better than who their comp on this team is
Akeem>Miguel
Clint>McGuirl
Kent>Ish
Thomas>Kasubke
Diarra>Bradford/Ez/Linguard
Hoskins and Smith are pretty dang similar.
I certainly want to keep Pack and hope Nowell stays another year, but it's about as worthless of a roster as you could imagine outside of that. Jettisoning a bunch of them while bringing in some transfers really can't hurt. I'm not sure if retaining oscar is really a net positive for keeping those two anyway.
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Their are a number of similarities between this team and that 2006 team - perhaps most noteworthy being how close both teams were to having a good season, but also largely having an inability to close out games.
That 2006 team played a terrible non-conference schedule, but were 9-2 entering Big 12 play. They lost their first two, then beat KU, A&M and Mizzou in a row to get to 12-4. Then, they finished 3-9 the rest of the way with SIX of those nine losses being five points or less (and four of those six losses were by two points or less). That's actually quite extraordinary if you think about it.
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If Nowell doesn't graduate he's stuck too. I don't know how close he is. He went into this season as a Junior so that wouldn't indicate that he's all that close. At the very least I going to assume he'll need summer school to graduate so if he wants to leave the new coach will have quite a bit of time in the program to make an impression.
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Their are a number of similarities between this team and that 2006 team - perhaps most noteworthy being how close both teams were to having a good season, but also largely having an inability to close out games.
That 2006 team played a terrible non-conference schedule, but were 9-2 entering Big 12 play. They lost their first two, then beat KU, A&M and Mizzou in a row to get to 12-4. Then, they finished 3-9 the rest of the way with SIX of those nine losses being five points or less (and four of those six losses were by two points or less). That's actually quite extraordinary if you think about it.
oscar probably coaches that team to the NCAA tournament, but he wouldn't have landed Martin, Harris, or Wright. oscar should have had the foresight to throw Wooly on the staff.
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If Nowell doesn't graduate he's stuck too. I don't know how close he is. He went into this season as a Junior so that wouldn't indicate that he's all that close. At the very least I going to assume he'll need summer school to graduate so if he wants to leave the new coach will have quite a bit of time in the program to make an impression.
I am pretty sure Nowell is going to go play professionally somewhere after this season, based on his tweet a couple weeks ago. Said something about whatever team takes him next year wont be disappointed.
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If Nowell doesn't graduate he's stuck too. I don't know how close he is. He went into this season as a Junior so that wouldn't indicate that he's all that close. At the very least I going to assume he'll need summer school to graduate so if he wants to leave the new coach will have quite a bit of time in the program to make an impression.
I am pretty sure Nowell is going to go play professionally somewhere after this season, based on his tweet a couple weeks ago. Said something about whatever team takes him next year wont be disappointed.
It was even more vague than that. He didn't say next season. It probably leans towards him leaving still but who knows.
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Their are a number of similarities between this team and that 2006 team - perhaps most noteworthy being how close both teams were to having a good season, but also largely having an inability to close out games.
That 2006 team played a terrible non-conference schedule, but were 9-2 entering Big 12 play. They lost their first two, then beat KU, A&M and Mizzou in a row to get to 12-4. Then, they finished 3-9 the rest of the way with SIX of those nine losses being five points or less (and four of those six losses were by two points or less). That's actually quite extraordinary if you think about it.
oscar probably coaches that team to the NCAA tournament, but he wouldn't have landed Martin, Harris, or Wright. oscar should have had the foresight to throw Wooly on the staff.
Oscar wouldn't have known how to use Hoskins. He's terrible at post offense.
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Why is oscar the only person in the building wearing a mask? Does he have some type of immune system issue?
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Why is oscar the only person in the building wearing a mask? Does he have some type of immune system issue?
Yes, loserscosiosis.
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It's just like the cornered cockroach to get a win here.
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i haven't seen as much kstate bball as many of you, but to me, i don't see a "big three" on this team. there's a big gap between pack and everyone else.
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i haven't seen as much kstate bball as many of you, but to me, i don't see a "big three" on this team. there's a big gap between pack and everyone else.
I have probably watched even less than you but there's also a pretty big gap between Smith and Nowell and the rest of the team.
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And another fun game! Just tuned in
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What happened to Nowell?
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I don't think I like possessions where Pack doesn't touch the ball and McGuirl shoots a fader.
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#13 for tech can play some defense.
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What happened to Nowell?
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1498475470735691776
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College refs are just unbelievably bad aren't they? (KSU benefited from plenty of shitty calls after I started watching)
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Woof
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What a painful season.
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Pack gets so panicky in late game situations, pretty frustrating.
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i haven't seen as much kstate bball as many of you, but to me, i don't see a "big three" on this team. there's a big gap between pack and everyone else.
Smith is the best rebounder in the conference at 6'4" and Nowell is the best point guard in the conference who doesn't play for Baylor, they have the best two in the conference, period.
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i haven't seen as much kstate bball as many of you, but to me, i don't see a "big three" on this team. there's a big gap between pack and everyone else.
Smith is the best rebounder in the conference at 6'4" and Nowell is the best point guard in the conference who doesn't play for Baylor, they have the best two in the conference, period.
Yup.
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Pack gets so panicky in late game situations, pretty frustrating.
at home against KU i definitely wanted him to be the one taking the shot but i wish he would have picked a better shot considering there were still 7 seconds on the clock when he heaved it from like 35 feet. Although we benefited from a lot of borderline calls late in the game last night, I do think Pack legit got fouled on his 3 attempt and should have been shooting free throws. Unless the argument is that if the ball is tipped/blocked that the shooter is no loger entitled to complete the act of shooting without being touched, like how there's no PI when a pass is tipped in football.
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Pack gets so panicky in late game situations, pretty frustrating.
I blame the offense for doing nothing to help him. We've had the ball a number of times in one-possession games with under 10 seconds left and I'll bet we've only had one or two passes in those situations.
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Pack gets so panicky in late game situations, pretty frustrating.
I blame the offense for doing nothing to help him. We've had the ball a number of times in one-possession games with under 10 seconds left and I'll bet we've only had one or two passes in those situations.
That's just it, against ISU and last night there was a play called but he didn't execute it properly. Wyatt said against ISU, Ish didn't set the correct screen then Nigel panicked. Same thing happened last night, the high screen action was set up but Nijel brushed it off then took that guarded 3 with a ton of time on the clock.
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@MIR, I think I’m still right about the .500 thing for the NIT btw. Saw they were still looking for another game now to enhance their chances of landing .500 or better for the NIT from Kellis today.
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Not sure why you would expect Smellis to know more than MIR
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Not sure why you would expect Smellis to know more than MIR
https://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/
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I mean, I just want to watch extra basketball at this point, but I still think it’s a thing. Granted, these are projections.
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Yeah, they removed the requirement in 2017. That said, we may not get selected because we haven’t won many games. Who knows if the projection system there takes into account “Covid affected games” the way that the selection committee is supposed to
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Adding the extra game in an effort to get an NIT bid makes me think oscar isn't getting fired. Maybe he's still getting retired but I don't think you attempt to stretch out the season if you're wanting to get a coaching search underway.
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Adding the extra game in an effort to get an NIT bid makes me think oscar isn't getting fired. Maybe he's still getting retired but I don't think you attempt to stretch out the season if you're wanting to get a coaching search underway.
Meh. That's a bit conspiracy theory in my mind. A lot of good kids on this squad trying to play for something. A lot of teams are trying to add an extra game for something at the end of the year, where covid affected them during the season.
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Adding the extra game in an effort to get an NIT bid makes me think oscar isn't getting fired. Maybe he's still getting retired but I don't think you attempt to stretch out the season if you're wanting to get a coaching search underway.
they could just be looking at the fact that this team that was playing in the E8 four years ago...is on pace to even make the post season (of any kind, not just the NCAA tournament) only 3 times in the last 8 years. and maybe just for the sake of the program that are trying to get that up to 50% of the time.
kind of crazy to think that in 5 years Frank's teams made the NCAA tournament 4 times, and played in a total of 10 tournament games (I'm only counting round of 64 or better, eff that play in game bullcrap counting as a tournament win, you haven't won a tournament game until you are playing in the round of 64).
Weber's teams, in 10 years have made the tournament 5 times and played in a total of 8 games. And if not for that miracle 16 beating a 1, that 8 would more realistically be 6 games. Either way, point being that in half the time Frank's teams were making the tourney with regularity and not getting bounced in the first game.
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Kinda crazy Frank has only made the tourney once since then too. WGAS? :dunno:
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oscar isn’t coming back guys
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Kinda crazy Frank has only made the tourney once since then too. WGAS? :dunno:
is....is your point that you don't think Frank would have necessarily made the tournament any more than oscar had he stuck around instead of going to SC? i mean come on wacky
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I think when you start displaying scenarios of “if the 16 seed doesn’t beat the 1, then…” you’ve lost all credibility in the argument. Wgaf? You know one thing I know Frank would have never done? End KU’s streak, because he’s never won a conference title.
Weber is gone. No reason to keep piling on reasons for him to go.
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I believe oscar will retire
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1499079908953411587?s=20&t=KrW2jbVQVnCflqOgLdOJ-w
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1499079908953411587?s=20&t=KrW2jbVQVnCflqOgLdOJ-w
That's sure to impress the committee(s).
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I'm curious as to this affecting Senior Night. I assume we just do Mike's ceremony on Saturday instead of a sparsely attended Monday game and maybe it's no big deal anyway as I think we honored him last year.
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1499079908953411587?s=20&t=KrW2jbVQVnCflqOgLdOJ-w
That's sure to impress the committee(s).
I still think it’s for this
It also gives oscar an extra shot at 500 career wins this season. He’s currently sitting at 497.
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I think when you start displaying scenarios of “if the 16 seed doesn’t beat the 1, then…” you’ve lost all credibility in the argument. Wgaf? You know one thing I know Frank would have never done? End KU’s streak, because he’s never won a conference title.
Weber is gone. No reason to keep piling on reasons for him to go.
What part of that argument do you doubt the credulity? My only point was that the number of tournament games he's played in would have gone from lousy to really lousy. Its not like i'm cherry picking stats here. He has performed very poorly in the tournament, as bad as you can perform, with the exception of 1 year.
Wacky, unfortunately, I do think you make a valid point in that you sir are an incredibly accurate cross section of the typical k-state fan base. 1 good tournament run in a decade is more than satisfactory. Its small timey and small minded but, it seems to placate a large percentage of our fan base. Shame on me for wanting better, or, more accurately...being frustrated when we don't achieve better.
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What message have I given that makes you think i'm happy with the state of the program? I want to be in the tournament every year. Frank's success was due to Underwood. I'm sick of hearing about him. I hope we hire a great one! Thanks for the two conference titles though and the people who try to downplay that success are losers.
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What message have I given that makes you think i'm happy with the state of the program? I want to be in the tournament every year. Frank's success was due to Underwood. I'm sick of hearing about him. I hope we hire a great one! Thanks for the two conference titles though and the people who try to downplay that success are losers.
if there is a bigger oscar apologist than you on this blog, i don't know who it is. Your steadfast support of the man has been awe inspiring.
And i'm sorry that you are tired of hearing about Frank, i wish i knew what to tell you other than I guess that's just how comparisons work? If the fans of New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) basketball want to get mad b/c their head coach hasn't gotten them to a sweet 16...well that's an irrational argument that should be dismissed as such b/c they have no reasonable expectation for that level of success. Unfortunately your best comparison is usually going to be against the guy that was there before, to wit, Frank. (that's twice i've used that term now its fun to say, would recommend) I'm not sure what else to tell you on that. Unless your position is that we should all just shut up and accept the results that oscar has produced without criticism? Which i mean sure we could all take that advice except its completely stupid.
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I believe oscar will retire
I think he would've announced it by now.
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What message have I given that makes you think i'm happy with the state of the program? I want to be in the tournament every year. Frank's success was due to Underwood. I'm sick of hearing about him. I hope we hire a great one! Thanks for the two conference titles though and the people who try to downplay that success are losers.
if there is a bigger oscar apologist than you on this blog, i don't know who it is. Your steadfast support of the man has been awe inspiring.
And i'm sorry that you are tired of hearing about Frank, i wish i knew what to tell you other than I guess that's just how comparisons work? If the fans of New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) basketball want to get mad b/c their head coach hasn't gotten them to a sweet 16...well that's an irrational argument that should be dismissed as such b/c they have no reasonable expectation for that level of success. Unfortunately your best comparison is usually going to be against the guy that was there before, to wit, Frank. (that's twice i've used that term now its fun to say, would recommend) I'm not sure what else to tell you on that. Unless your position is that we should all just shut up and accept the results that oscar has produced without criticism? Which i mean sure we could all take that advice except its completely stupid.
:lol: JFC, dude, take a walk.
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There’s some realistic fans out there that try and evaluate a coach with some reason and not just emotions, like the crybaby fucks from KSO that invade Twitter 24/7/365. I guess you’re one of those that needs to be heard. He’s gone. Congrats! Now stfu and move on.
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from what i can tell wackyman, your "realistic evaluation" seems to be limited to fondly reflecting back on something that happened long enough ago that none of our current players were on the team at the time, and with no credible reason to think we will repeat that kind of success on our current trajectory.
But i'll tell you what, as a courtesey to you, I'll stfu and move on, with respect to "my opinions on why oscar weber should no longer be the coach of the ksu mens basketball team". However if oscar is back next year then that courtesey is revoked and i will continue to hold him to account.
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Deal. If he comes back i'll shave my head.
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I believe oscar will retire
I think he would've announced it by now.
Oh I think if they win the big 12 tourney and go to the sweet 16 he would come back.
oscar is an optimist
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Getting to 500 wins makes me feel better about both scheduling that game and oscar's impending retirement. Hopefully, the chase for 500 doesn't result in us being the only P5 team in the CBI or some bullshit tournament.
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1499079908953411587?s=20&t=KrW2jbVQVnCflqOgLdOJ-w
these fuckers!
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1499079908953411587?s=20&t=KrW2jbVQVnCflqOgLdOJ-w
That's sure to impress the committee(s).
I still think it’s for this
It also gives oscar an extra shot at 500 career wins this season. He’s currently sitting at 497.
So does Fitz
https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/Article/Kansas-State-basketball-fire-oscar-Weber-K-State-North-Illinois-reschedule-183731395/?fbclid=IwAR0mMGT3p2ylDSPhjvf7ghY6P9CG4KCvZZMVlX-Gl_HXBTS9-9dmZ0tIceo
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Which will make it easier for him to “retire”. Sounds good to me.
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https://twitter.com/dyoungrivals/status/1499211497016340481?s=21
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oscar “retiring” after 500 wins + big 12 tourney win is my dream scenario.
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We got this!
https://twitter.com/kellisrobinett/status/1499211795441070085?s=21
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I really don't Pack to transfer away, but if he does he's the perfect fit for Auburn.
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5 game losing streak to end oscar’s tenure is fitting
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If they don’t fire oscar I will watch even less KSU hoops than I usually do. So, if they want me to continue to watch 3 games a year, they’ll do the right thing.
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I was glued to the screen at the end to see if oscar was tipping his hand about returning... Poker face oscar.
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Strong chance at sub .500
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Because winning the Big 12 tourney would be the bruciest of things to do, it makes sense we wouldn’t say anything publicly until we’re eliminated. Regardless of when an announcement is made, I’d be shocked if oscar is back next year.
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Nowell is still out for next week so oscar ain’t winning crap
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Nowell is still out for next week so oscar ain’t winning crap
How does he go from testing it out pre-game ISU last weekend (I thought I read that somewhere) to being out for 10 more days? Aggravated it that bad loosening up? That sucks.
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Nowell is still out for next week so oscar ain’t winning crap
How does he go from testing it out pre-game ISU last weekend (I thought I read that somewhere) to being out for 10 more days? Aggravated it that bad loosening up? That sucks.
Hamstrings are tricky
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Nowell is still out for next week so oscar ain’t winning crap
How does he go from testing it out pre-game ISU last weekend (I thought I read that somewhere) to being out for 10 more days? Aggravated it that bad loosening up? That sucks.
Not sure about testing it out but I know he hasn't practiced since he got hurt.
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:crossfingers:
https://twitter.com/MrNewYorkCityy/status/1501030162250575872?s=20&t=XgH5qsX60GfTARog7PhagQ
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/1501224679020838913?s=20&t=fgbs1j55lDkddOhcXuo3Vg
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This games fun so far 🤷🏻
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I hope the cats win so we can wax dat ass 2mrw.
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I don’t think oscar wants his last game as basketball coach to be a 30 point loss to dollar bill
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Remember even after 30 years of waxing our asses, spracne was a massive bitch after 1 bad half of basketball? I remember.
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We look tired
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McGuirl just made like 7 bad plays or missed shots in a row
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That we…
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Remember even after 30 years of waxing our asses, spracne was a massive bitch after 1 bad half of basketball? I remember.
I do remember that. I'm sorry for allowing myself to show my vulnerable side to you. I won't make that mistake again.
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STRAI6HT
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Well, that should do it. An end of an era. RIP #bruceketball
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Welp time to lock this thread