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jay heidrick (sp) is going full tuck on 810's Border Patrol right now.
listen live link available on their site.
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jay heidrick (sp) is going full tuck on 810's Border Patrol right now.
listen live link available on their site.
That guy IS full tuck. He's just being himself (bravo to him).
It's a troll job that they use him as the "K-State expert."
If memory serves, he's Fitz's attorney, correct?
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-oscar had to go public with his criticism, the message had probably been given countless times behind closed doors
-Was happy to hear oscar make he comments
-So often coaches are unable to defend themselves from media and message boards, glad to hear oscar express his frustrations
-Players should be playing for the name on the front, not the name on the back we need players that want to be here and care and if not get out and we will find someone else
-Seniors are "outnumbered" by the sophomores who clearly aren't getting the message
-Huggy and Frank were able to get rid of the apathy and demand 100% effort or people did not play, once apathy seeps in to a locker room it can take a long time to fix, oscar needs to go through the process of fixing it
Wow.
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jay heidrick (sp) is going full tuck on 810's Border Patrol right now.
listen live link available on their site.
That guy IS full tuck. He's just being himself (bravo to him).
It's a troll job that they use him as the "K-State expert."
If memory serves, he's Fitz's attorney, correct?
yes, i think he's fitz's legal counsel. anytime fitz has what he perceives to be an issue, he sends in this guy as his cleaner.
his gpc handle is lefthandcat or something?
and you're right about 810 using him to make us all look like idiots. total troll job.
"let's recruit valley kids" since they're easier to coach.
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-oscar has to overcome perception
-The type of kid that comes to SIU is not the elite athlete, the elite player so the mentality is to work hard and to prove themselves
-we hear a lot about Marcus Foster's people
-What is frustrating is oscar can coach, he took Bill Self and Frank Martin's players and did things they couldn't do
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-Have to expect Marcus Foster not to start or play many minutes
-they played well without him against WVU, one of the good things is tre Harris got out there
-When Foster was in there at TCU we were worse
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what a terrible thing to wake up to. how did this happen?
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if oscar can get us to the bubble next year, good enough
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I turned it off and just sat in my car and then decided to listen a bit more and missed the start of the second segment.
Jay Heidrick sees Vulture getting playing time and is so jealous he is constructing an alternate reality to justify why guys like Jay and B-Ro should get more minutes than Marcus Foster.
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I don't think people talk enough about how horrible a decision it was to sit Tre most of the season.
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-What is frustrating is oscar can coach, he took Bill Self and Frank Martin's players and did things they couldn't do
holy crap, suck on that one bill self you rough ridin' loser
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Another logical follow up to Jay's bizarre formulation of how coaches need to come in and dismiss players to establish a culture-
Why are all the problem children oscar's recruits?
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I don't think people talk enough about how horrible a decision it was to sit Tre most of the season.
Sorry Rusty, Marcus is such a team cancer and hurts the team so much when he is on the court that we had to wait until we suspended him to evaluate the rest of the talent on the bench.
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Jay should be getting torched for these talking points. SSJ seemed taken a back when the first take out of the gate was
"Actually oscar's post-game comments are good."
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Another logical follow up to Jay's bizarre formulation of how coaches need to come in and dismiss players to establish a culture-
Why are all the problem children oscar's recruits?
Yeah, this is so stupid. He even said "Seniors are "outnumbered" by the sophomores who clearly aren't getting the message". So the only players that "get it" are Frank's guys?
Also, I look forward to Vulture's appearances on 810 in a couple years after he becomes an engineer in Wichita.
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Another logical follow up to Jay's bizarre formulation of how coaches need to come in and dismiss players to establish a culture-
Why are all the problem children oscar's recruits?
Yeah, this is so stupid. He even said "Seniors are "outnumbered" by the sophomores who clearly aren't getting the message". So the only players that "get it" are Frank's guys?
Also, I look forward to Vulture's appearances on 810 in a couple years after he becomes an engineer in Wichita.
Why have we not sought the unique and totally unbiased insider perspective of Shannon Spradling yet?
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-Huggy and Frank were able to get rid of the apathy and demand 100% effort or people did not play, once apathy seeps in to a locker room it can take a long time to fix, oscar needs to go through the process of fixing it
Fixing it? oscar allowed this crap to happen THIS season. Its on him.
This is so dumb.
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Part of me hopes there is a leak at NBAF, hoof in mouthing guys like that.
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did anyone watch it on 38 the Spot?
what complete crap, ruined my morning
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RealMikeT needs to get Jay on The Salute
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i was lolling watching this nonsense. does this bozo have a twitter handle?
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I wonder if he would start by making fun of Jay for posting on a message board.
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This thread is making me so sad.
I don't want to go back to the Wooly mindset. You guys remember how happy we were when Hugs was hired? Like a kid on Christmas. :cry:
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Just following along with Jay logic-
CLAIM- Marcus Foster is bad for KSU
EVIDENCE- KSU played better during WVU, TCU when Marcus was not on the floor because defense (and inferred poor attitude)
CONCLUSION?- KSU will be better next year if Marcus Foster leaves
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Just following along with Jay logic-
CLAIM- Marcus Foster is bad for KSU
EVIDENCE- KSU played better during WVU, TCU when Marcus was not on the floor because defense (and inferred poor attitude)
CONCLUSION?- KSU will be better next year if Marcus Foster leaves
Kitchen echoed these thoughts yesterday. I mean, I don't even :facepalm:
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CLAIM- Players that care more about their name on the front of the jersey than the back of the jersey will not bail in tough situations
EVIDENCE- ??? Probably not Marcus Foster hitting last second shots to beat OU twice.
CONCLUSION- KSU should recruit people that want to be here similar to players in the Valley. They work hard because they are out to prove themselves and Marcus Foster has "people" that are a bad influence on him.
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Jay logic-
CLAIM- This team's locker room is a problem
CLAIM- Huggy was able to establish a culture that promoted effort and held people accountable for not giving effort
CLAIM- It takes a long time to establish this culture
EVIDENCE- ???? Huggy did it in one year ???? oscar has lost it in year 3
CONCLUSION- ???? oscar needs more time ????
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Jay would rather put all of K-State's locker room problems and lack of success on the back of a college sophomore, rather than the back of a many being paid millions of dollars to win by his university.
Says all you need to know about what accountability means to Jay.
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We need some better ambassadors. The guys that represent our fanbase in local media are total rough ridin' losers.
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CLAIM- Players that care more about their name on the front of the jersey than the back of the jersey will not bail in tough situations
EVIDENCE- ??? Probably not Marcus Foster hitting last second shots to beat OU twice.
CONCLUSION- KSU should recruit people that want to be here similar to players in the Valley. They work hard because they are out to prove themselves and Marcus Foster has "people" that are a bad influence on him.
oscar LOVES the old "outside influences" excuse when it comes to problems with player relations. He's used it over and over as a way to excuse himself from any blame.
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We need some better ambassadors. The guys that represent our fanbase in local media are total rough ridin' losers.
nick leckey is cool
stan weber is also cool
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We need some better ambassadors. The guys that represent our fanbase in local media are total rough ridin' losers.
nick leckey is cool
stan weber is also cool
Yeah, I do appreciate those guys. I guess I just hate most of our "insider" fans. Like, whoever the eff this guy is, Fitz, BITB. They all seem to really get their rocks off by disparaging young black athletes at K-State. I never heard a bad word about Will Spradling even though from all accounts him and his dad were a big distraction to the team. When the slightest rumor of unrest starts around Marcus Foster though, it turns out the basketball program going into a tailspin is completely his fault. eff that.
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Jay logic-
CLAIM- This team's locker room is a problem
CLAIM- Huggy was able to establish a culture that promoted effort and held people accountable for not giving effort
CLAIM- It takes a long time to establish this culture
EVIDENCE- ???? Huggy did it in one year ???? oscar has lost it in year 3
CONCLUSION- ???? oscar needs more time ????
this is so lol
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I mean, if he's truly as toxic as people are making him out to be, then he should have been kicked off the team in the offseason, and oscar is a dipshit for not doing so. Obviously that's not the case and oscar is just scrambling to save his job, and the rough ridin' good ol' boys club is more than willing to help him throw whoever he wants under the bus. Because white middle aged guys have got to stick together or else they may not make it in this world.
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Is Jay the pigaggie tv jay?
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Is Jay the pigaggie tv jay?
No.
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listened to that. It was redic.
I've never heard of that guy, thought it was kitchen at first.
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What the eff is a Jay Heidrick? This dork doesn't deserve a thread.
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What in tarnation?
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His jersey is hanging up in Porters. Expert status confirmed.
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What in tarnation?
:lol:
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OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR!!!
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I turned it off and just sat in my car and then decided to listen a bit more and missed the start of the second segment.
Jay Heidrick sees Vulture getting playing time and is so jealous he is constructing an alternate reality to justify why guys like Jay and B-Ro should get more minutes than Marcus Foster.
Vulture is a lot better than Jay.
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We need some better ambassadors. The guys that represent our fanbase in local media are total rough ridin' losers.
nick leckey is cool
stan weber is also cool
Come home squawkstin.
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We need some better ambassadors. The guys that represent our fanbase in local media are total rough ridin' losers.
nick leckey is cool
stan weber is also cool
Come home squawkstin.
:thumbs:
Historical note: My high school hoops coach urged me to use a sweet up and under move in the post styled after the one that Jay Heidrick used at Beloit High School.
:bball:
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
The "momma" stuff is kinda racist too
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
It's incredible that such a giant dork is so good at controlling the narrative.
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
It's incredible that such a giant dork is so good at controlling the narrative.
It's the audience he's been working with. A sizeable portion of white midwesternia really loves oscar Weber the man. They see hardworking and honest and humble. A virtuous man. Not some arrogant overly talented jerk. He puts them at ease because he's not better than them. He is them. Mediocre and unassuming. Somebody they want to be friends and neighbors with. It's rough ridin' disgusting.
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
It's incredible that such a giant dork is so good at controlling the narrative.
It's a skill I think a lot of coaches learn. He has honed this crap to a keen, Ginsu like edge
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
It's incredible that such a giant dork is so good at controlling the narrative.
It's the audience he's been working with. A sizeable portion of white midwesternia really loves oscar Weber the man. They see hardworking and honest and humble. A virtuous man. Not some arrogant overly talented jerk. He puts them at ease because he's not better than them. He is them. Mediocre and unassuming. Somebody they want to be friends and neighbors with. It's rough ridin' disgusting.
He has this on lock
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Also, lots of oscar supporters probably like to make lame excuses when things don't go their way.
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Also, lots of oscar supporters probably like to make lame excuses when things don't go their way.
For the portion of fanbases that truly love oscar the man, scapegoating young black males is not unfamiliar.
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The "Let's give Wooly one more year" menace is back . . . ride it hard Tuck Nation.
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This Jay guy, man. smh
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
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Good basketball is entertaining, but things like this can be too. Are we going to get good basketball out of whoever Currie could bring in to replace oscar? Will we continue to get threads like this if oscar stays?
Extend oscar.
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yesterday on gopo, jay said he would rather have Weber than Scott Drew, lol.
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https://twitter.com/meowmeowgE/status/568561963967467520
:lol:
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This card can only be played once, right? It's like some Pokemon power card if I understand Pokemon, which I don't, but like once played it loses its power and the next time it bounces back on oscar.
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yesterday on gopo, jay said he would rather have Weber than Scott Drew, lol.
I would guess a lot of people from a lot of fanbases would say that. Lots of folks still think Drew can't coach. They're idiots, but still.
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In the question posed above, oscar would blame the dog and its outside handlers.
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The not so strange thing about this story line is how lazy it is by our best reporters. It's accepted as fact but has anyone actually asked oscar and pressed him on what is really going on. It just makes easy copy and fans lap it up without critical analysis
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I would love D Scott to awkwardly ask oscar some real tough questions, and oscar go off on the media.
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You know your local sports journos are bad when Curtis Kitchen is getting interviewed about KSU sports.
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
enjoyed that
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This card can only be played once, right? It's like some Pokemon power card if I understand Pokemon, which I don't, but like once played it loses its power and the next time it bounces back on oscar.
I'm in the same Pokemon boat as you, but I think you are right.
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
God, I like Kellis.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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You know your local sports journos are bad when Curtis Kitchen is getting interviewed about KSU sports.
610 sports K-State insider Curtis Kitchen
810 sports K-State insider Jay Heidrick
I guarantee 90%+ of K-State fans don't know who either of these losers is.
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This card can only be played once, right? It's like some Pokemon power card if I understand Pokemon, which I don't, but like once played it loses its power and the next time it bounces back on oscar.
I'm in the same Pokemon boat as you, but I think you are right.
squirtle
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His ppl is a street agent ref. Poorly done. The guy wants to play a position that better fits hi size at the next level. oscar is basically the opposite of coaches that want their players to play at the next level.
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I would love D Scott to awkwardly ask oscar some real tough questions, and oscar go off on the media.
if k-state media members have any amount of real EMAW in them, they would ask the questions that will push Bruth closer and closer to the edge.
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His ppl is a street agent ref. Poorly done. The guy wants to play a position that better fits hi size at the next level. oscar is basically the opposite of coaches that want their players to play at the next level.
Was oscar trying to pull a Massa Seff on Marcus and it went horribly wrong?
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His ppl is a street agent ref. Poorly done. The guy wants to play a position that better fits hi size at the next level. oscar is basically the opposite of coaches that want their players to play at the next level.
Was oscar trying to pull a Massa Seff on Marcus and it went horribly wrong?
He should have know better. Self is the master massa
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His ppl is a street agent ref. Poorly done. The guy wants to play a position that better fits hi size at the next level. oscar is basically the opposite of coaches that want their players to play at the next level.
His people are no one besides the friends/relatives most college basketball players have. It's a rough ridin' red herring
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Yeah I get what it actually is. I thought we are talking about what numb nuts was implying.
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Yeah I get what it actually is. I thought we are talking about what numb nuts was implying.
Yes his people and LeBron are to blame. How is oscar supposed to compete with Lebron?
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oscar just needs to make sure he doesn't get anymore players good enough to be invited to LeBron's camp.
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Yep. Win/whitemidwesterneyWin
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
enjoyed that
I hope Kellis stays with us for a long, long time. He has come so far from his "passing the day with powerespect people" salad days.
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the addition of "his people" to the Marcus Foster bashing is a subtle yet important part of the attack for these clowns. oscar recruited Marcus so he is obviously responsible for any alleged "attitude problems" Marcus has. However, the middle age white guy side hears "his people" and instantly pictures uncles/pastors (all black guys in track suits or yellow 3 piece suits) and they think "how could Coach Weber ever know about these bad men" and oscar gets a free pass for being a disaster at coaching his own players.
I admire oscar for his incredibly effective methods of blaming his players and "their people" for his failures. I mean, he is a goddam magician that any politician would admire.
If he recruited a player or not is stupid. He should mange all the attitudes on his team regardless of how they got there.
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Why isn't King Winters a recurring guest on Kurtz's radio show?
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Jay Heidrick is staking his basketball reporting reputation on his opinion that this is a anomaly and that oscar will be very successful at Kstate. This website is predicting the opposite.
Only one can be right
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Jay Heidrick is staking his basketball reporting reputation on his opinion that this is a anomaly and that oscar will be very successful at Kstate. This website is predicting the opposite.
Only one can be right
We could be radically inconsistent. :dunno:
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Jay Heidrick is staking his basketball reporting reputation on his opinion that this is a anomaly and that oscar will be very successful at Kstate. This website is predicting the opposite.
Only one can be right
There's not enough data to be making predictions right now, get real man.
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goEMAW.com has helped put bread on Jay's table, correct?
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https://twitter.com/kencorbitt/status/568864036089040896
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Well now how is pissclams' tattoo guy gonna fix this?
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Well now how is pissclams' tattoo guy gonna fix this?
MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really, except for a giant pak head across the torso and/or back, it's unwise to get any ksu-related tattoos.
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you dorks realize Kellis isn't a REAL K-State fan right?
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
But jacking up threes against TCU sent him back to the bench. Weber wants Foster to be a complete player, like he was a year ago when he went for dunks and mid-range shots, instead of the three-point specialist he is trying to be.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html#storylink=cpy
We have no one else on the team that can shoot 3s consistently other than maybe Tre, Foster is shooting 38% beyond the arc, and Weber is upset that Foster is shooting too many 3s.
Can't wait for Weber's "Fool's Gold" speech later in the year.
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So, no more threes. What the eff is this offense doing to create something else?
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
But jacking up threes against TCU sent him back to the bench. Weber wants Foster to be a complete player, like he was a year ago when he went for dunks and mid-range shots, instead of the three-point specialist he is trying to be.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html#storylink=cpy
We have no one else on the team that can shoot 3s consistently other than maybe Tre, Foster is shooting 38% beyond the arc, and Weber is upset that Foster is shooting too many 3s.
Can't wait for Weber's "Fool's Gold" speech later in the year.
whoa, missed this. He has been shooting 3's at a higher rate this year, but he's also been getting to the line more.
3FGA% 2014: 47.8%; 2015: 59%
FTR 2014: 26.1; 2015: 37.8
Point distro 2014: 16%FT, 38%2FG, 46%3FG
Point distro 2015: 20%FT, 28%2FG, 52%3FG
Given that he shot about 40% last year and we lost a couple decent shooters from 3, I think the change is entirely reasonable.
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i'd like to see him shoot more threes and fewer twos. twos only if they are necessary to set up future threes.
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I understand that they both play the same position, but how many minutes this season have Tre and Marcus been on the court at the same time? Just spitballing here, but having multiple 3FG threats playing together could work. :dunno:
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So, no more threes. What the eff is this offense doing to create something else?
Getting to the free throw line. That's all we've got.
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I understand that they both play the same position, but how many minutes this season have Tre and Marcus been on the court at the same time? Just spitballing here, but having multiple 3FG threats playing together could work. :dunno:
IMPOSSIBLE THEY PLAY THE EXACT SAME POSITION
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I understand that they both play the same position, but how many minutes this season have Tre and Marcus been on the court at the same time? Just spitballing here, but having multiple 3FG threats playing together could work. :dunno:
IMPOSSIBLE THEY PLAY THE EXACT SAME POSITION
We've had such incredible production from the point guard and small forward positions. I just don't know whose minutes he would take.
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I don't think Foster has ever been told to take fewer threes, just better ones. And taking some 2s to set up 3s and getting to the free throw line will make him better, he's not Brady Heslip. He did have a better Ortg last year shooting more 2s.
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I'm on board with Foster and Tre jacking up tons of threes. Are you guys on board with Westicles at PG?
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The problem is that he seems to hit his ridic ones pretty damn good. I would love to see Tre and Marcus in at the same time and both increase their attempts dramatically.
If we aren't going to actively and agressively do anything to create something else, we should try to have two Marshal Hendersons on the court, IMO.
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Yep. Wes, Tre, Foster, Nino, Gip.
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I understand that they both play the same position, but how many minutes this season have Tre and Marcus been on the court at the same time? Just spitballing here, but having multiple 3FG threats playing together could work. :dunno:
IMPOSSIBLE THEY PLAY THE EXACT SAME POSITION
We've had such incredible production from the point guard and small forward positions. I just don't know whose minutes he would take.
shooting guards are shooting guards and a motion offense requires five distinct positions with entirely unique skill sets
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Stretch point, Tre, stretch three, stretch four, stretch five.
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unfortunately, iwu sucks. edwards has better oboarding and to rates. put him in instead to rebound and kick it back out.
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I'm on board with Foster and Tre jacking up tons of threes. Are you guys on board with Westicles at PG?
Sure. At this point in the season the only bad idea is to keep doing what we have been doing. Let's do it.
Just for fun, let's have Hurt in there too.
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unfortunately, iwu sucks. edwards has better oboarding and to rates. put him in instead to rebound and kick it back out.
Edwards seems to have only slightly better hands than Hurt, though.
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I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
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I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
Agreed. We need to southwell him as much as possible.
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putting Southwell at the 4 IMO made that 2013 team better than Frank would have had us. That along w/ signing Foster are easily oscar's two best coaching moves since he's been here.
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Edwards seems to have only slightly better hands than Hurt, though.
hurt's rebounding rates are really good! :runaway:
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putting Southwell at the 4 IMO made that 2013 team better than Frank would have had us. That along w/ signing Foster are easily oscar's two best coaching moves since he's been here.
Southwell at 4 happened to oscar, not by oscar.
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Edwards seems to have only slightly better hands than Hurt, though.
hurt's rebounding rates are really good! :runaway:
Too bad he can't roll that in to more PT, I guess. :dunno:
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Yep. Wes, Tre, Foster, Nino, Gip.
I could get behind this lineup. C'mon, oscar, make it so. Edwards in for brief stints to give Wes a breather (who takes over Point? I say Nigel). Would like to see Hurt come in an spot up for more outside shots too.
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I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
playing skilled players instead of big players is almost always a good move in college bball. kinda argues against foster at the one. he should be a three.
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I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
Agreed. We need to southwell him as much as possible.
If he can beat out DWade that is!
I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
I'd like to see Tre and Foster together 10 minutes a game.
More Nigel, less Jevon.
And yeah, give Hurt more stretches, he's good at boarding and scoring.
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Wade and Brown need to be serviceable and quickly next year.
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I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
playing skilled players instead of big players is almost always a good move in college bball. kinda argues against foster at the one. he should be a three.
Most skilled team next year probably would be....
1) Brown
2) Foster
3) Westicles / Tre (Do you want ball handling or shooting )
4) Wade
5) Hurt
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I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
Agreed. We need to southwell him as much as possible.
If he can beat out DWade that is!
I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
I'd like to see Tre and Foster together 10 minutes a game.
More Nigel, less Jevon.
And yeah, give Hurt more stretches, he's good at boarding and scoring.
I don't know if Nigel is more skilled than Jevon. He can't penetrate, Jevon can't shoot. Not a fun discussion.
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I fully agree with cRusty, Harris should have been getting minutes all season long. He's the kind of shooter that plays and you adjust your defense accordingly if you have to . . . but he gets minutes.
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We get very little from Jevon's penetration, though.
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I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
he is?
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putting Southwell at the 4 IMO made that 2013 team better than Frank would have had us. That along w/ signing Foster are easily oscar's two best coaching moves since he's been here.
Southwell at 4 happened to oscar, not by oscar.
eh, he had Diaz, JO, Nino, DJamer, and Gip. Frank would have had Upshaw instead of DJamer who would have taken some southie at the 4 minutes. I don't think Frank would have done it.
I'd like to see Westicles at the 4 more next year
playing skilled players instead of big players is almost always a good move in college bball. kinda argues against foster at the one. he should be a three.
Yeah, on most teams you're right because most teams have competent point guards. (we don't). I think the net "skill" of Foster + Harris + Edwards is greater than the net skill of Jevon + Foster + Edwards. Yeah Foster is less "skilled" than Jevon at ball handling but the addition of an above-average shooter more than makes up for it IMO.
Still, I'd be thrilled w/ sliding Foster to the 3 if it gets Harris more minutes.
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I'm just asking for 50-50 instead of 60-40 Jevon at this point.
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We get very little from Jevon's penetration, though.
we get a lot of turnovers and missed 2's
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We get very little from Jevon's penetration, though.
Airballed layups are pretty entertaining imo
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You don't want Jevon or Nigel on the court if possible. That's why Westicles plays PG.
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Most skilled team next year probably would be....
1) Brown
2) Foster
3) Westicles / Tre (Do you want ball handling or shooting )
4) Wade
5) Hurt
1. unknown incoming pg
2. brown
3. foster
4. dunno
5. dunno
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Yep. Wes, Tre, Foster, Nino, Gip.
I could get behind this lineup. C'mon, oscar, make it so. Edwards in for brief stints to give Wes a breather (who takes over Point? I say Nigel). Would like to see Hurt come in an spot up for more outside shots too.
If we really want Wes at the point, I'd mess w/: Wes, Foster, Edwards, Nino, Hurt as the starting 5. w/ Gip the first big off the bench, and tre the first guard.
Gip has seriously hurt this team at times, and his rebounding has absolutely killed us in games. I'd be alright with seeing what the Big Hurt can do with more minutes (pretty sure his per 40 stats are better across the board), cause it can't be much worse than what Big Gip has brought to the table.
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define "skilled"
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and jesus christ Gip is the least of our problems.
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I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
he is?
Over the entire season no, but he's been decent/better in Big 12 play. Nearly 2:1 assist to turnovers.
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and jesus christ Gip is the least of our problems.
Yeah, Gip hate is weird.
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I jevon could hit his layups and/or we had another non-marcus threat, Gip would probably be killing it.
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define "skilled"
your post about our ones not being skilled was good. it's hard to come up with a skilled lineup for this year, because we don't have enough skilled players. your ones should be your most skilled players and ours are horrible. thinking about lineups for next year is more fun.
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Over the entire season no, but he's been decent/better in Big 12 play. Nearly 2:1 assist to turnovers.
fair enough, get him some minutes. at least he can defend.
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I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
he is?
Over the entire season no, but he's been decent/better in Big 12 play. Nearly 2:1 assist to turnovers.
Jevon's TORate in conference games is 36.6%. His %Shots is 11.3
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Jevon's TORate in conference games is 36.6%. His %Shots is 11.3
honestly, he's not a scholarship-level player.
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one thing that kind of scares me, is Hurt not getting more minutes the rest of this season, then DJamer getting Gip's minutes next year, and we never get to see what Hurt could do when given an opportunity. cause oscar.
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I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
he is?
Over the entire season no, but he's been decent/better in Big 12 play. Nearly 2:1 assist to turnovers.
Jevon's TORate in conference games is 36.6%. His %Shots is 11.3
Jevon has had a couple of games where he has been scary bad.
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I like Westicles at point in stretches. It's not like he does a lot well, but he's decent at assists and TOs.
he is?
Over the entire season no, but he's been decent/better in Big 12 play. Nearly 2:1 assist to turnovers.
Jevon's TORate in conference games is 36.6%. His %Shots is 11.3
Jevon has had a couple of games where he has been scary bad.
more like a couple of seasons
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putting Southwell at the 4 IMO made that 2013 team better than Frank would have had us. That along w/ signing Foster are easily oscar's two best coaching moves since he's been here.
Southwell at 4 happened to oscar, not by oscar.
eh, he had Diaz, JO, Nino, DJamer, and Gip. Frank would have had Upshaw instead of DJamer who would have taken some southie at the 4 minutes. I don't think Frank would have done it.
Shane was barely on oscar's team until nino was rolling around hurt again in front of a bunch of us in key arena. Only then did shane became oscar's 4.
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/ksgame04.html
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/ksgame05.html
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/nitchamp.html
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/ksgame07.html
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/ksgame08.html
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/ksgame09.html
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2012-2013/ksgame10.html
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I think iwu is better than he's getting credit for on this webpage
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I think iwu is better than he's getting credit for on this webpage
potential vs production
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I think iwu is better than he's getting credit for on this webpage
Definitely
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I think iwu is better than he's getting credit for on this webpage
Definitely
Well he isn't the worst forward to ever play at Kstate probably :Ugh:
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What started as a thread about Fitz's lawyer, has turned into quite the enthusiastic basketball x and o discussion.
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What started as a thread about Fitz's lawyer, has turned into quite the enthusiastic basketball x and o discussion.
I think somebody subpoena'd all the HBBIQ talk from SMF pretty quick.
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Jevon's TORate in conference games is 36.6%. His %Shots is 11.3
honestly, he's not a scholarship-level player.
That's debatable. Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster. oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?
6 best players:
1) Foster
2) Gip
3) Southwell
4) Westicles
5) Thomas
6) Sprad/Nino?
Also, Frank's best player - Angel - transferred. that's gotta be worth something.
Jevon is the best recruit we have landed since Beasley. Angel is the 2nd best recruit since Beasley, IMO.
Would take Jevon & Foster over Angel & Thornwell because of longterm value.
:shy:
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beep boop
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It makes me very suspicious of this The Flush character I'll tell you that. And Claws, what of Dean? :ohno:
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They better be as good as MN thinks they are, or oscar is out of a job. College of Charleston probably won't even come calling this time.
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Maybe it wasn't a coincidence that there weren't any three-point attempts in Barry's highlight vids. Unusual for a shooting guard. Typically thunderous dunkshots and a barrage of made threes raining down. Does this kid ever misss!? Evidently not! :excited:
Apparently no one told Barry that you miss 100% of the threes you don't take. :frown:
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Maybe it wasn't a coincidence that there weren't any three-point attempts in Barry's highlight vids. Unusual for a shooting guard. Typically thunderous dunkshots and a barrage of made threes raining down. Does this kid ever misss!? Evidently not! :excited:
Apparently no one told Barry that you miss 100% of the threes you don't take. :frown:
He'll certainly get plenty of platitudes and cliches shouted at him from the sideline once oscar gets him on the squad.
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I'm sure it'll be fine.
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if I'm Claws, you bet your ass I'm learning the weber way right now
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I just want Gip on the left block, Tre in the left corner, Foster at his favorite spot on the left wing, Nino floating around the top of the key and Wes ready to cut to the basket from the right wing if his guy doubles Gip. It all seems pretty simple
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Mixed Nuts said Jevon is the best recruit we have landed since Beasley and meant it. I don't even.
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Kellis! http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html
But jacking up threes against TCU sent him back to the bench. Weber wants Foster to be a complete player, like he was a year ago when he went for dunks and mid-range shots, instead of the three-point specialist he is trying to be.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article10746332.html#storylink=cpy
We have no one else on the team that can shoot 3s consistently other than maybe Tre, Foster is shooting 38% beyond the arc, and Weber is upset that Foster is shooting too many 3s.
Can't wait for Weber's "Fool's Gold" speech later in the year.
It was a good article/ blog post for the most part. I cringed at that part, because it simply isn't true. Fosters FTR is evidence of that.
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Also, why did we pay so much heed to Jay Heidrick's comments on the radio. I mean it's Jay rough ridin' Heidrick, why does anything he says matter? This thread did get me to listen to the podcast of the segment. It was nauseating.
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What started as a thread about Fitz's lawyer, has turned into quite the enthusiastic basketball x and o discussion.
I think somebody subpoena'd all the HBBIQ talk from SMF pretty quick.
:lol:
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i'm all in with chum1
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It's obvious the tuck brigade is desperate. You have some scrub from Beloit, KS that couldn't hold B-Ro's jock defending this asshat... :lol:
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I like most of this from our guy Curtis.
https://twitter.com/bringonthecats/status/569014459718635520
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I like most of this from our guy Curtis.
https://twitter.com/bringonthecats/status/569014459718635520
What a crap brain
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the only reason I liked curtis' article was because it packaged dislike for oscar into a nice tuck package.
coaching? no (I mean, he's white, old, and was mentored by Gene Keady, and won a lot of games but don't worry about why)
recruits? no (I mean, we want guys that want to be here, just like Bill!)
stats? no (hey, you can spin stats any way you want, they're stupid)
you don't have to coach, recruit, or think about why you didn't succeed and aren't. just say it's "your fault" and we're good. we'll give you 6 years and a neckbrace if you do that.
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Because ... Life
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Wasn't Adrian Diaz top 150? And Shane?
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Wasn't Adrian Diaz top 150? And Shane?
yes, shane was. #131 to be exact.
Gipson was (147) and Diaz (148)
but hey, stats man. who cares?
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also, Nick Russell in 09 was 119.
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Nino was also top 150. Frank essentially recruited all top 150 guys and got good transfers.
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Nino was also top 150. Frank essentially recruited all top 150 guys and got good transfers.
Life > stats
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The Kitchen doesn't always have the right ingredients.
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The Kitchen doesn't always have the right ingredients.
Toast
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The Kitchen doesn't always have the right ingredients.
Toast
Uses a hatchet and a blow torch to make bananas foster.
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Some of you can't take his heat.
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Get ready to tuck em in, boys. Jay's back.
ksusouthpaw
All-Big 12 performer
Post #6128
Olathe, KS
Re: I'll be on 810 and 38 The Spot tomorrow at 7am...
Lots to talk about. Biggest concern to me is lack of player development. They don't appreciate how hard you have to work. Falls on everyone. Coaches need to instill it but players have to want it.
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I really enjoy the narrative out of oscar, stan/wyatt, and those "close" to the program. It's as if oscar just printed off talking points and handed them out.
#Brucexcuses
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Get ready to tuck em in, boys. Jay's back.
ksusouthpaw
All-Big 12 performer
Post #6128
Olathe, KS
Re: I'll be on 810 and 38 The Spot tomorrow at 7am...
Lots to talk about. Biggest concern to me is lack of player development. They don't appreciate how hard you have to work. Falls on everyone. Coaches need to instill it but players have to want it.
Why does this Jay person get to act like he knows anything more about the KSU program than anyone else? Does he attend practices?
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Why do these hayseeds like oscar so much? Are they just satisfied with being completely pathetic as long as we don't break any rules? I am baffled how anyone can defend this clown so much :confused:
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Hey and Bukaty tag teamed Foster for everything from the Lebron camp, his handlers and being out of shape. Total character assassination
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They identify with oscar. Old, white, unhip, able to blame everyone else in the world for being mediocre,
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Thanks Obama :shakesfist:
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Successful people don't tolerate failure.
That's why unsuccessful people relate well to other unsuccessful people.
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Successful people don't tolerate failure.
That's why unsuccessful people relate well to other unsuccessful people.
I think this is pretty spot on
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Is the implication that some here have careers that are more successful than Weber's? Does that follow?
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Is the implication that some here have careers that are more successful than Weber's? Does that follow?
Lots of multi-millionaires here.
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Is the implication that some here have careers that are more successful than Weber's? Does that follow?
Lots of multi-millionaires here.
And national title game coaches.