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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2013, 06:11:55 PM
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:Wha:
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Not if he goes pro.
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Will Marcus Foster leave for the NBA before breaking Pullen's scoring record?
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Not if he goes pro.
Yeah, according to that graphic they showed on TV during the game, he's basically #OurGuy Andy. They'll probably go 1-2 in the draft (Foster first :gocho:)
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Does he have the size for his position to go pro tho? At least, within the next two years?
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I like Foster.
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Who is he like in the NBA?
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He is possibly the best player oscar has recruited in his entire career.
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He is possibly the best player oscar has recruited in his entire career.
:horrorsurprise:
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He is possibly the best player oscar has recruited in his entire career.
:horrorsurprise:
HOLY eff! :sdeek:
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He is possibly the best player oscar has recruited in his entire career.
That's not saying much.
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He is possibly the best player oscar has recruited in his entire career.
That's not saying much.
:dubious:
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Interesting
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I never once considered Foster would be a one-and-done. Then that dunk. :love:
Now, I'm :cry:
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I never once considered Foster would be a one-and-done. Then that dunk. :love:
Now, I'm :cry:
A dunk won't solve him being undersized. But now ESPN knows about him. :cry:
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He's fun to watch, sportscenter's comparing his dunk to Lebron's posterization of Mclemore!! :D
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I never once considered Foster would be a one-and-done. Then that dunk. :love:
Now, I'm :cry:
A dunk won't solve him being undersized. But now ESPN knows about him. :cry:
Is he undersized?
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I never once considered Foster would be a one-and-done. Then that dunk. :love:
Now, I'm :cry:
A dunk won't solve him being undersized. But now ESPN knows about him. :cry:
well if it isn't a couple of huge closet ku fans..
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If you had to compare Foster to a current NBA player, who would that player be?
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He needs to be more efficient scoring and cut down on turnovers. He'll be here at least through next season. Maybe after his junior year. :dunno:
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If you had to compare Foster to a current NBA player, who would that player be?
Kobe
1. Hogs the ball
2. Balls so hard on the little guys
3. Does this (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg96%2F6316%2F5xdl.gif&hash=7f12ae20fa85491b9060ac3e9fe6e17e367d224f)
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He needs to be more efficient scoring and cut down on turnovers. He'll be here at least through next season. Maybe after his junior year. :dunno:
this. he doesn't do anything spectacular (except dunk on midgets). he's good, but NBA good? I think we're just pumped because we have a guard who can dunk. which is fine.
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He needs to be more efficient scoring and cut down on turnovers. He'll be here at least through next season. Maybe after his junior year. :dunno:
this. he doesn't do anything spectacular (except dunk on midgets). he's good, but NBA good? I think we're just pumped because we have a guard who can dunk. which is fine.
NBA talk is hyperbole. But he's the 2nd best freshman we've ever had and he's the 2nd best fr in the conference. Dude is good. And not just bc he bagged a midget.
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He needs to be more efficient scoring and cut down on turnovers. He'll be here at least through next season. Maybe after his junior year. :dunno:
this. he doesn't do anything spectacular (except dunk on midgets). he's good, but NBA good? I think we're just pumped because we have a guard who can dunk. which is fine.
NBA talk is hyperbole. But he's the 2nd best freshman we've ever had and he's the 2nd best fr in the conference. Dude is good. And not just bc he bagged a midget.
If he really turns out to be the 2nd best FR we've had (even in the last 30 years), oscar is going to be here a long time.
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oscar is going to be here a while.
Just foster and Westicles will make that happen regardless of jevon.
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I never once considered Foster would be a one-and-done. Then that dunk. :love:
Now, I'm :cry:
A dunk won't solve him being undersized. But now ESPN knows about him. :cry:
Is he undersized?
Yes! For his position.
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He's really good and I like him a lot, but I'm a little :dubious: about saying he's better than Bill Walker.
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reminds me of an undersized and less explosive (pre-knee issues) d-wade. similar body type, game, and propensity for mad swag.
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He's really good and I like him a lot, but I'm a little :dubious: about saying he's better than Bill Walker.
He maybe better for K-State than Walker
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He's really good and I like him a lot, but I'm a little :dubious: about saying he's better than Bill Walker.
saying he's better than pullen is a stretch. and i'm not belittling foster, he's good, it's just...man...pump the brakes people.
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He's really good and I like him a lot, but I'm a little :dubious: about saying he's better than Bill Walker.
That's more than fair.
Per 100s going back to 03: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25815.msg743765#msg743765
This year (not including Gonzaga): http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29917.msg993313#msg993313
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He's really good and I like him a lot, but I'm a little :dubious: about saying he's better than Bill Walker.
saying he's better than pullen is a stretch. and i'm not belittling foster, he's good, it's just...man...pump the brakes people.
Better will be subjective for a long time, but he's going to get the volume he needs from day one.
I think that's why I think the record could eventually be at risk. Foster coming out of this year averaging 13+ may give him a nice head start.
Though I'm not sure oscar's system will ever really let him be a 19-20 point guy a night.
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He's really good and I like him a lot, but I'm a little :dubious: about saying he's better than Bill Walker.
saying he's better than pullen is a stretch. and i'm not belittling foster, he's good, it's just...man...pump the brakes people.
Certainly not better than senior Pullen now but probably better than frosh Pullen. Jake improved a lot throughout his time
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He's way further along offensively than pullen and mcgruds were
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Though I'm not sure oscar's system will ever really let him be a 19-20 point guy a night.
He's already at 25.5% possessions and 28.9% shots while playing 75.8% minutes. He's just not real efficient right now, with an offensive rating of 100.7, but his usage is pretty significant already.
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LBBRIQ
Was JEVON THOMAS a higher rated recruit than MARCUS FOSTER?
I hope so :excited: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Foster will break the record if he stays injury free and sticks around all 4 years
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Foster's ability to consistently split double teams with the dribble is impressive for a freshman. He won't go pro until after his junior season at the earliest.
He has to improve his shot and get in to better shape. I like the DWade comparison. I also think he might compare to Jordan Crawford.
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Watching foster kill opponents for the next few years will be worth it. Might help trim with the whole burn it down them. God bless you, friend.
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Though I'm not sure oscar's system will ever really let him be a 19-20 point guy a night.
He's already at 25.5% possessions and 28.9% shots while playing 75.8% minutes. He's just not real efficient right now, with an offensive rating of 100.7, but his usage is pretty significant already.
Well, I'm assuming that Edwards, Thomas, and Hurt are going to factor in a lot next year, plus a senior Gip.
I think he gets less usage next year.
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Though I'm not sure oscar's system will ever really let him be a 19-20 point guy a night.
He's already at 25.5% possessions and 28.9% shots while playing 75.8% minutes. He's just not real efficient right now, with an offensive rating of 100.7, but his usage is pretty significant already.
Well, I'm assuming that Edwards, Thomas, and Hurt are going to factor in a lot next year, plus a senior Gip.
I think he gets less usage next year.
I would tend to agree.
And if he does get less usage, the Cats could be pretty darn good.
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Yep, don't leave DJamer out either. Great on D!
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Who is he like in the NBA?
Eric Gordon or Randy Foye.
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He'll have to get his 3pt% a lot closer to 40% before the NBA cares about him. And let's not forget he drives to the hoop and gets stuffed a lot, too. Like, way more than he makes it. I love him and am very excited for his career at K-State.
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Am I wrong here or are people saying "Foster will be better" forgetting the transcendental value of Jake and Bill to KSU hoops?
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
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The topic is can he break the scoring record. I think he can and will if be stay healthy over 4 years. No one is saying his value will be that of Jake Mike or Bill.
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The topic is can he break the scoring record. I think he can and will if be stay healthy over 4 years. No one is saying his value will be that of Jake Mike or Bill.
Jk some people are saying that. Those people are idiots.
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
he's the next dwyane wade, cire. everybody who's anybody knows this. he dunked yesterday. do you think lance harris could have done that? jfc, what else do you need?
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
he's the next dwyane wade, cire. everybody who's anybody knows this. he dunked yesterday. do you think lance harris could have done that? jfc, what else do you need?
Zacker post.
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
he's the next dwyane wade, cire. everybody who's anybody knows this. he dunked yesterday. do you think lance harris could have done that? jfc, what else do you need?
Go look at the per 100s, there is a lot more to the Foster excitement than a great dunk.
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
he's the next dwyane wade, cire. everybody who's anybody knows this. he dunked yesterday. do you think lance harris could have done that? jfc, what else do you need?
Go look at the per 100s, there is a lot more to the Foster excitement than a great dunk.
:Wha:
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The name that came to my mind after thinking about it is Josh Shelby.
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The name that came to my mind after thinking about it is Josh Shelby.
Woof. That's actually pretty close in regards to body type and skill set.
Fortunately Marcus won't get Self'd and doesn't have the same off the court issues.
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he's definitely decent.. he really doesn't do anything great but does a lot of things pretty good.
solid long term college player
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he's definitely decent.. he really doesn't do anything great but does a lot of things pretty good.
solid long term college player
He reminds me of a college player that gets talked into going into the draft as an underclassman and then doesn't get drafted
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What do you think Zacker said after the dunk? "Smh... Lebron does it better!"
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
he's the next dwyane wade, cire. everybody who's anybody knows this. he dunked yesterday. do you think lance harris could have done that? jfc, what else do you need?
Go look at the per 100s, there is a lot more to the Foster excitement than a great dunk.
no, I get the excitement. I think he's good. but eff, crown him if you want I guess.
What do you think Zacker said after the dunk? "Smh... Lebron does it better!"
I got up out of my seat at Intrust Bank Arena and fist pumped and laughed, thank you very much.
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I got up out of my seat at Intrust Bank Arena and fist pumped and laughed, thank you very much.
Samesies
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Good for you, Zacker. You earned it. :D
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I got up out of my seat at Intrust Bank Arena and fist pumped and laughed, thank you very much.
Samesies
I jumped up and yelled loud
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JFC guys, he's not THAT good.
he's the next dwyane wade, cire. everybody who's anybody knows this. he dunked yesterday. do you think lance harris could have done that? jfc, what else do you need?
Go look at the per 100s, there is a lot more to the Foster excitement than a great dunk.
yeah, zacker, didn't say he was d-wade incarnate. just that he has that kind of game on a scaled down level. anyway, he's good and i'm gonna enjoy the heck out of him however long he's here.
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I got up out of my seat at Intrust Bank Arena and fist pumped and laughed, thank you very much.
Samesies
I jumped up and yelled loud
8mp and I were the only two people at the Foundry during the game yesterday. The wait staff all looked at us like we were big weirdos when we stood up and yelled "Oh crap!" after Foster's dunk.
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He's Rodney with a quicker first step and better handles.
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He's Rodney with a quicker first step and better handles.
He and Rod are completely different.
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He's Rodney with a quicker first step and better handles.
He and Rod are completely different.
McOreb type nickname will def not be attempted with foster.
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He's Rodney with a quicker first step and better handles.
He and Rod are completely different.
meant in the sense that neither are nba players.
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Good lord, he is isn't better than Jake was as a freshman. Foster has more ppg but it is with many more minutes and less efficiency. Jake was the fourth scoring option for most of that season and only started a handful of games. He played with two of the best scorers in the history of the school. Some of you need to go back and watch that KU game, if Foster has a game when he scores like that, even with this group of cripples that he's playing with, then we'll talk.
Is he even better than freshman Angel?
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Good lord, he is isn't better than Jake was as a freshman. Foster has more ppg but it is with many more minutes and less efficiency. Jake was the fourth scoring option for most of that season and only started a handful of games. He played with two of the best scorers in the history of the school. Some of you need to go back and watch that KU game, if Foster has a game when he scores like that, even with this group of cripples that he's playing with, then we'll talk.
Is he even better than freshman Angel?
scoring title tho
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Can you imagine the games Foster would be having if he had the benefit of Beasley drawing triple teams? Would probably break the scoring record his Junior year
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Good lord, he is isn't better than Jake was as a freshman. Foster has more ppg but it is with many more minutes and less efficiency. Jake was the fourth scoring option for most of that season and only started a handful of games. He played with two of the best scorers in the history of the school. Some of you need to go back and watch that KU game, if Foster has a game when he scores like that, even with this group of cripples that he's playing with, then we'll talk.
Is he even better than freshman Angel?
Comparing Angel and Marcus is hard because of the importance of the point guard position. If you want to compare a young Jake to a young Foster. I would compare Jakes sophomore year to Marcus freshmen year because both players were in similar situations (Being the guy to get buckets).
Jake (SO) Marcus (FR)
101.7 ortg 98.9 ortg
47.3 eFG% 46.3 eFG%
72.8 FT% 74.4 FT%
43.6 2FG% 40.3 2FG%
33.5 3FG% 34.8 3FG%
One thing that is hard to note statically is how much of a gamer Jake was. All ways played his best in the games that mattered the most.
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Hey MIR, everything is going to be ok. Relax.
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Good lord, he is isn't better than Jake was as a freshman. Foster has more ppg but it is with many more minutes and less efficiency. Jake was the fourth scoring option for most of that season and only started a handful of games. He played with two of the best scorers in the history of the school. Some of you need to go back and watch that KU game, if Foster has a game when he scores like that, even with this group of cripples that he's playing with, then we'll talk.
Is he even better than freshman Angel?
Comparing Angel and Marcus is hard because of the importance of the point guard position. If you want to compare a young Jake to a young Foster. I would compare Jakes sophomore year to Marcus freshmen year because both players were in similar situations (Being the guy to get buckets).
Jake (SO) Marcus (FR)
101.7 ortg 98.9 ortg
47.3 eFG% 46.3 eFG%
72.8 FT% 74.4 FT%
43.6 2FG% 40.3 2FG%
33.5 3FG% 34.8 3FG%
One thing that is hard to note statically is how much of a gamer Jake was. All ways played his best in the games that mattered the most.
Well, both guys look like they are pretty decent.
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Comparing foster to jake is about as close as comparing Rod to Jake. :sdeek:
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Comparing Angel and Marcus is hard because of the importance of the point guard position. If you want to compare a young Jake to a young Foster. I would compare Jakes sophomore year to Marcus freshmen year because both players were in similar situations (Being the guy to get buckets).
Jake (SO) Marcus (FR)
101.7 ortg 98.9 ortg
47.3 eFG% 46.3 eFG%
72.8 FT% 74.4 FT%
43.6 2FG% 40.3 2FG%
33.5 3FG% 34.8 3FG%
One thing that is hard to note statically is how much of a gamer Jake was. All ways played his best in the games that mattered the most.
Jake was the ultimate gamer. Marcus obviously hasn't had a lot of opportunities in big games yet, but he has had some big moments in K-State's wins over Ole Miss (3pt FG in final minute) and Gonzaga (4/7 FG and 10 points in 2nd half).
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Good lord, he is isn't better than Jake was as a freshman. Foster has more ppg but it is with many more minutes and less efficiency. Jake was the fourth scoring option for most of that season and only started a handful of games. He played with two of the best scorers in the history of the school. Some of you need to go back and watch that KU game, if Foster has a game when he scores like that, even with this group of cripples that he's playing with, then we'll talk.
Is he even better than freshman Angel?
Comparing Angel and Marcus is hard because of the importance of the point guard position. If you want to compare a young Jake to a young Foster. I would compare Jakes sophomore year to Marcus freshmen year because both players were in similar situations (Being the guy to get buckets).
Jake (SO) Marcus (FR)
101.7 ortg 98.9 ortg
47.3 eFG% 46.3 eFG%
72.8 FT% 74.4 FT%
43.6 2FG% 40.3 2FG%
33.5 3FG% 34.8 3FG%
One thing that is hard to note statically is how much of a gamer Jake was. All ways played his best in the games that mattered the most.
Foster had a pretty nice day in the game that has mattered the most so far this season.
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Good lord, he is isn't better than Jake was as a freshman. Foster has more ppg but it is with many more minutes and less efficiency. Jake was the fourth scoring option for most of that season and only started a handful of games. He played with two of the best scorers in the history of the school. Some of you need to go back and watch that KU game, if Foster has a game when he scores like that, even with this group of cripples that he's playing with, then we'll talk.
Is he even better than freshman Angel?
Comparing Angel and Marcus is hard because of the importance of the point guard position. If you want to compare a young Jake to a young Foster. I would compare Jakes sophomore year to Marcus freshmen year because both players were in similar situations (Being the guy to get buckets).
Jake (SO) Marcus (FR)
101.7 ortg 98.9 ortg
47.3 eFG% 46.3 eFG%
72.8 FT% 74.4 FT%
43.6 2FG% 40.3 2FG%
33.5 3FG% 34.8 3FG%
One thing that is hard to note statically is how much of a gamer Jake was. All ways played his best in the games that mattered the most.
Foster had a pretty nice day in the game that has mattered the most so far this season.
Foster really does need his Denis Clemente, tho. Denny won more games in 08-09 then Jake did. Denny might be Franks second best player.
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Comparing foster to jake is about as close as comparing Rod to Jake. :sdeek:
We're not comparing. We're simply asking if he can obtain the record.
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idk, maybe. foster is a pretty good young player and hes showing signs that he can be an all big 12 player in years to come. really hope he doesn't leave early though. thatll be the key... will oscar run him off?
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Who's got an ESPN account? Our guy is listed under top 10 freshman right now. :sdeek: Eat it haters!
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=jeff-goodman&id=2788&src=desktop
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gamerism is a myth
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He's better looking as a FR than Pullen was... Much more adorable.
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Fact #1: Foster is one of the two best Freshmen in the BigXII. Fact #2: Foster is one of the ten best Freshmen in the USA. Fact #3: Foster is one of the best Freshmen to ever play basketball in Manhattan, KS.
So, really, I see no need to make imperfect comparos to other stud Freshmen at KSU. Dude is really good.
:cheers: to hoping that Thomas is a stud too and this combo delivers us many wins and NCAA tournament appearances over the next 4 years.
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Fact #1: Foster is one of the two best Freshmen in the BigXII. Fact #2: Foster is one of the ten best Freshmen in the USA. Fact #3: Foster is one of the best Freshmen to ever play basketball in Manhattan, KS.
So, really, I see no need to make imperfect comparos to other stud Freshmen at KSU. Dude is really good.
:cheers: to hoping that Thomas is a stud too and this combo delivers us many wins and NCAA tournament appearances over the next 4 years.
Truth, if Frank had brought in Foster, people would be creaming their jeans.
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Fact #1: Foster is one of the two best Freshmen in the BigXII. Fact #2: Foster is one of the ten best Freshmen in the USA. Fact #3: Foster is one of the best Freshmen to ever play basketball in Manhattan, KS.
So, really, I see no need to make imperfect comparos to other stud Freshmen at KSU. Dude is really good.
:cheers: to hoping that Thomas is a stud too and this combo delivers us many wins and NCAA tournament appearances over the next 4 years.
Truth, if Frank had brought in Foster, people would be creaming their jeans.
You say that in the "will foster break pullen's scoring title?" thread as if people aren't already creaming their jeans.
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Eat it haters!
You are a perfect storm of very weird and very stupid
Fact #1: Foster is one of the two best Freshmen in the BigXII. Fact #2: Foster is one of the ten best Freshmen in the USA. Fact #3: Foster is one of the best Freshmen to ever play basketball in Manhattan, KS.
So, really, I see no need to make imperfect comparos to other stud Freshmen at KSU. Dude is really good.
:cheers: to hoping that Thomas is a stud too and this combo delivers us many wins and NCAA tournament appearances over the next 4 years.
Truth, if Frank had brought in Foster, people would be creaming their jeans.
Literally the worst thing said about Marcus Foster itt is that some don't want to call him better than the team's all time leading scorer 11 games into his career, people should stop being so mean.
Stop trying so hard, that post is fanning logic, I actually thought it was his post until I read nuts kicked post.
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It's funny, and also disheartening to see those Pullen sophomore numbers compared to Foster's numbers so far this season. We're on here talking about Foster possibly becoming one of the all-time greats, while sophomore Pullen, with better numbers was lambasted across the K-State fanbase in 08-09.
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I refuse to pick sides. Jake delivered my best moments as a KSU hobby sport fan and he is my first love.
But I just made long eye contact across a bar with Foster. We will see where it goes
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It's funny, and also disheartening to see those Pullen sophomore numbers compared to Foster's numbers so far this season. We're on here talking about Foster possibly becoming one of the all-time greats, while sophomore Pullen, with better numbers was lambasted across the K-State fanbase in 08-09.
A portion of our fanbase has weird expectations for players, but to be fair sophomore Pullen (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/jacob-pullen/game_stats?season=2008-2009&stat_type=1&game_type=1&chart1=minutes&chart2=points&chart3=assists&chart4=rebounds_total&chart5=) kind of had an up and down year, but he was clearly showing signs of being a great player.
I'm really excited about the future of Foster, but he is only 11 games into his career. Lots of basketball left to be played for him.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcREwFMCcAIYlCM.jpg:large)
:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
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Eat it haters!
You are a perfect storm of very weird and very stupid
Fact #1: Foster is one of the two best Freshmen in the BigXII. Fact #2: Foster is one of the ten best Freshmen in the USA. Fact #3: Foster is one of the best Freshmen to ever play basketball in Manhattan, KS.
So, really, I see no need to make imperfect comparos to other stud Freshmen at KSU. Dude is really good.
:cheers: to hoping that Thomas is a stud too and this combo delivers us many wins and NCAA tournament appearances over the next 4 years.
Truth, if Frank had brought in Foster, people would be creaming their jeans.
Literally the worst thing said about Marcus Foster itt is that some don't want to call him better than the team's all time leading scorer 11 games into his career, people should stop being so mean.
Stop trying so hard, that post is fanning logic, I actually thought it was his post until I read nuts kicked post.
You're letting yourself get trolled by me. :ROFL:
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Also, are you always mad when discussing sports?
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Anyone else thinking that Wacky's newfound "trolling" attempts are just a cover, so that when he says something really dumb (but also really serious) then he can be all like, "Just trolling bruh, :ROFL:"
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You are a perfect storm of very weird and very stupid
just fantastic
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Anyone else thinking that Wacky's newfound "trolling" attempts are just a cover, so that when he says something really dumb (but also really serious) then he can be all like, "Just trolling bruh, :ROFL:"
What have I said that's dumb tho? MIR's a hot head tho and if Foster was a Frank recruit, they're would be way more love for him. Some ppl on this board hate oscar so much, they don't know how to handle good things that come from him. Plain and simple. I mean MIR thinks Angel was better as a Freshman. Now that's rough ridin' dumb.
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Also, isn't a message board for discussing things? I think it's an interesting topic. Sorry some of you are so butthurt about it. It's ok to get excited and wonder.
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For Foster to eclipse Pullen for me, he will have to provide a better moment than Xavier S16. I would imagine that would mean taking us to the F4.
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For Foster to eclipse Pullen for me, he will have to provide a better moment than Xavier S16. I would imagine that would mean taking us to the F4.
Jevon, tho
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we haven't been this excited about a non-bill-walker mid-year addition since Milton Barros.
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we haven't been this excited about a non-bill-walker mid-year addition since Milton Barros.
I was really looking forward to Sutton.
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For Foster to eclipse Pullen for me, he will have to provide a better moment than Xavier S16. I would imagine that would mean taking us to the F4.
sure. to be a Kstate great, he'll have to have some Pullenesque, marquee moments. He's shown the same scoring potential in a limited sample size. He needs to get more consistent. Time will tell.
In the meantime, tho, his dunk-on-bitches (DOB) ability hasn't been seen since Walker. This, coupled with his incredibly good looks and mouth-watering :lick: jumper, lead me to believe he'll end up being one of the best K-State freshmen we've seen.
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we haven't been this excited about a non-bill-walker mid-year addition since Milton Barros.
I was really looking forward to Sutton.
No one was expecting him to be quite the game changer Thomas is, though. And Barros is an Olympian(!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpVULOqD4-Q
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcREwFMCcAIYlCM.jpg:large)
:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
I want an in focus shot of the crowd. You can tell there are a ton more :horrorsurprise:
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Hey w^2, check out the kids in the front row to the left.
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Also, are you always mad when discussing sports?
Who said I was mad :dunno: My observation of your posting is casual, similar to observing that the sun is hot or water is wet
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Also, are you always mad when discussing sports?
Who said I was mad :dunno: My observation of your posting is casual, similar to observing that the sun is hot or water is wet
:lol:
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He may end up having better stats than Pullen and breaking his scoring record, but to me Pullen will always be the best simply because of what he meant to K-State and what K-State meant and still means to him.
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:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
I want an in focus shot of the crowd. You can tell there are a ton more :horrorsurprise:
Shane's face is priceless.
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:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
I want an in focus shot of the crowd. You can tell there are a ton more :horrorsurprise:
Shane's face is priceless.
The universal "you got ball's to the faced" look
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:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
I want an in focus shot of the crowd. You can tell there are a ton more :horrorsurprise:
Shane's face is priceless.
:love:
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:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
I want an in focus shot of the crowd. You can tell there are a ton more :horrorsurprise:
Shane's face is priceless.
the mhkPAK'r replayed the dunk multiple times just to watch Shane's reaction.
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:horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise: :horrorsurprise:
:)
I want an in focus shot of the crowd. You can tell there are a ton more :horrorsurprise:
Shane's face is priceless.
the mhkPAK'r replayed the dunk multiple times just to watch Shane's reaction.
Reminds me of a watch party with the board elites of the Baylor game last season. replayed rod's shot at least 100 times to watch each player. Mart was obvioulyy the best
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I will always love my Jake Pullen. Will I love Marcus more? Hard to say. Could be an "Oops I did it again!" moment for my K-State heart.
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he won't break it. and even if he does, i'll still love jake more.
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he won't break it. and even if he does, i'll still love jake more.
He will.crack your heart of stone.
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Foster's game is much prettier. Pullen was basically a super scrub.
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you buncha what have you done for me lately dumbasses
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you buncha what have you done for me lately dumbasses
Cool it down, tough guy.
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This thread got real funny.
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FWIW, if Foster stays 4 years and doesn't have a major injury/miss major time, he's on pace to score between 1750-1800 points based on just his current pace through 12 games. That would put him 5th on the all time list.
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FWIW, if Foster stays 4 years and doesn't have a major injury/miss major time, he's on pace to score between 1750-1800 points based on just his current pace through 12 games. That would put him 5th on the all time list.
:drops mic:
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FWIW, if Foster stays 4 years and doesn't have a major injury/miss major time, he's on pace to score between 1750-1800 points based on just his current pace through 12 games. That would put him 5th on the all time list.
:drops mic:
Hey scottcat, I think its cool that you are enjoying this Cat basketball team and players with me and some others. Go Cats.
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Sounds like Foster will break it easily if he progresses normally.
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FWIW, if Foster stays 4 years and doesn't have a major injury/miss major time, he's on pace to score between 1750-1800 points based on just his current pace through 12 games. That would put him 5th on the all time list.
:drops mic:
Hey scottcat, I think its cool that you are enjoying this Cat basketball team and players with me and some others. Go Cats.
:D thanks _FAN it's hopefully going to be a fun ride.
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Sounds like Foster will break it easily if he progresses normally.
What I was thinking. He might drop down from game to game, or slightly one year to the next. But overall I sure would hope he performs better than somebody who just came out of high school.
Maybe he doesn't break the all time record, but if he progresses normally he definitely is above #5. Unless you think he is scoring ridiculously above his ceiling currently...
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Another look at recent scorers in the ridiculously early Marcus Foster scoring watch... (middle column is %Min, right column is points per 100 possessions)
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Sounds like Foster will break it easily if he progresses normally.
what? i was told this thread was all over a dunk?
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:dunno:
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Unless he hits a slump or leaves early he has a real chance. It will be bittersweet.
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Unless he hits a slump or leaves early he has a real chance. It will be bittersweet.
For Christ's sake, he's not leaving early
unless he transfers.
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LOL at Cat fans talking about him leaving early. I don't think our fanbase has a strong grasp on what playing in the NBA or high level Euro requires.
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LOL at Cat fans talking about him leaving early. I don't think our fanbase has a strong grasp on what playing in the NBA or high level Euro requires.
I thought and actually posted on this blog a few years back that southwell had a legit shot at the NBA. I hope my shame will help others think twice about posting equally stupid things about Marcus.
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don't know the answer, but Foster definitely should garner a raise for Alvin Brooks III.
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LOL at Cat fans talking about him leaving early. I don't think our fanbase has a strong grasp on what playing in the NBA or high level Euro requires.
Unless he puts up all-american numbers as a junior, I don't see any way that he declares for the draft early. Even then it would probably be a poor decision.
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LOL at Cat fans talking about him leaving early. I don't think our fanbase has a strong grasp on what playing in the NBA or high level Euro requires.
Unless he puts up all-american numbers as a junior, I don't see any way that he declares for the draft early. Even then it would probably be a poor decision.
JFC
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LOL at Cat fans talking about him leaving early. I don't think our fanbase has a strong grasp on what playing in the NBA or high level Euro requires.
Unless he puts up all-american numbers as a junior, I don't see any way that he declares for the draft early. Even then it would probably be a poor decision.
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Did I just say something incredibly stupid? Seems like I may have. Anybody care to explain it to me?
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Who is the last freshman in the Big 12 to put up numbers like this that had no chance at going to the NBA? That sounds like I'm trying to say he has a shot at leaving early for the NBA, but I'm not. I'm just pointing out how rare of a situation this is.
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Who is the last freshman in the Big 12 to put up numbers like this that had no chance at going to the NBA?
niang, last year?
i wouldn't say foster has no chance.
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what does Foster need to improve on? Probably, defense against NBA 2s is the biggest thing. Handles, a little. Finishing at the rim, a little. Range, if we want to be super picky? I think the main obstacle is height. Most NBA 2s are taller. How much shorter is Foster than Dwaywne Wade?
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what does Foster need to improve on? Probably, defense against NBA 2s is the biggest thing. Handles, a little. Finishing at the rim, a little. Range, if we want to be super picky? I think the main obstacle is height. Most NBA 2s are taller. How much shorter is Foster than Dwaywne Wade?
2-3 inches.
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It doesn't translate to the NBA, but I've been impressed with Foster stepping up his defense in some recent games. He guarded Taylor a bunch yesterday, and took over against Staten at West Virginia last week, both times with pretty good success. His length seems to bother these point guards, but he was still (mostly) quick enough to keep them in front of him and not foul. Its nice to have another defensive option with Thomas struggling right now.
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If Foster is a legit 2-3 inches shorter than Wade, then playing 2 in the NBA gets a little iffy
It doesn't translate to the NBA, but I've been impressed with Foster stepping up his defense in some recent games. He guarded Taylor a bunch yesterday, and took over against Staten at West Virginia last week, both times with pretty good success. His length seems to bother these point guards, but he was still (mostly) quick enough to keep them in front of him and not foul. Its nice to have another defensive option with Thomas struggling right now.
yes, his D is definitely not below average or anything at the college level
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^lol I just realized both of my sentences above are subject to multiple interpretations
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Pullen has the scoring title and did not make the NBA, much less early < Reference for people thinking Foster will leave early
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Where did this idea that Marcus Foster isn't a good defender originate from? Glad to see it being corrected. I mean, like a lot of freshman he occasionally takes plays off, but when he wants to, he can guard.
Also, if he improves his handling and finishing and I don't see why he can't play in the NBA. I think they like guys who can shoot the cover off the ball.
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Corey Fisher. I think that is a good comparison of how the NBA is look at Marcus.
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This was fun to watch!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdQ-QIwrmWc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZdQ-QIwrmWc
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This was fun to watch!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdQ-QIwrmWc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZdQ-QIwrmWc
:D
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I've been impressed with Foster stepping up his defense in some recent games.
yes, his D is definitely not below average or anything at the college level
yes it is. well below (big 12) average.
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Where did this idea that Marcus Foster isn't a good defender originate from?
from people watching him, would be my guess.
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Where did this idea that Marcus Foster isn't a good defender originate from?
from people watching him, would be my guess.
lbbiq
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I've been impressed with Foster stepping up his defense in some recent games.
yes, his D is definitely not below average or anything at the college level
yes it is. well below (big 12) average.
Did you watch the Texas and WVU games?
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Did you watch the Texas and WVU games?
yes. i didn't focus on foster's defense during the texas game. i did for a few minutes during the wvu game, but not most of the game. but i've watched him a lot throughout the season. it's very unlikely he's changed much in such short time period.
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Did you watch the Texas and WVU games?
yes. i didn't focus on foster's defense during the texas game. i did for a few minutes during the wvu game, but not most of the game. but i've watched him a lot throughout the season. it's very unlikely he's changed much in such short time period.
He made a difference in the WVU game when we put him on Staten. He started the game on Taylor vs UT and I think he did a great job of keeping him out of the lane. Taylor ended up with a decent game, but most of it came in the 2nd half after the game was decided.
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He made a difference in the WVU game when we put him on Staten.
don't recall anyone in a kstate uniform causing staten any problems whatsoever in the 2nd game.
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He made a difference in the WVU game when we put him on Staten.
don't recall anyone in a kstate uniform causing staten any problems whatsoever in the 2nd game.
When K-State went on their run to go from down 7 with a little over 5 minutes left to down 1 with the ball with less than 3 minutes the major change was Foster on Staten. Staten shot 0 FTs and missed 2 lay-ups during that span.
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When K-State went on their run to go from down 7 with a little over 5 minutes left to down 1 with the ball with less than 2 minutes the major change was Foster on Staten. Staten shot 0 FTs and missed 2 lay-ups during that span.
my guess is small sample size/luck. i think the chances that he significantly improved in the last few weeks are very low, and i'm very confident in my earlier observations.
i'll try to watch him on defense during the ku game.
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Frosh vs. KU
2008
Pullen: 20
2014
Foster: 20
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This guy has Zeal! :Wha:
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This guy has Zeal! :Wha:
Zeal, Winters. ZEAL!
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i've decided that it would be really good for the ksu cats if marcus foster broke jpullz scoring record over the next 3.25 years!
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i'll try to watch him on defense during the ku game.
i tried. it was a pretty exciting game, so i just watched the ball some of the time. and i stopped trying to watch after he twisted his ankle. i didn't see anything to suggest that i had been wrong, or that he had significantly improved. ku didn't do much to test him. baylor should do more, i'll try and watch him again in that game.
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my KU friend is trying to convince me that Marcus Foster will go pro after this year. He is completely convinced
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baylor should do more, i'll try and watch him again in that game.
didn't get a chance to watch him. will try for the tcu game.
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Anyone have a link to foster mushing Jefferson? I saw it in wyattvision. Tia
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Anyone have a link to foster mushing Jefferson? I saw it in wyattvision. Tia
Lemme know when one surfaces... I saw it happen live in the Ferrell center and am eager to see multiple angle replays.
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The stare down afterwards was incredible
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He may surpass Beasley/Pullen as my favorite ever by the end of his career.
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I just don't want him to get to big of a head that cuts into his work ethic.
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I just don't want him to get to big of a head that cuts into his work ethic.
oh good grief
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He may surpass Beasley/Pullen as my favorite ever by the end of his career.
he won't even be in my top 10 by the end of the season:
Jake
Beaz
Bill
Curt
Cartier
Rod
Dom
MI3
JamSam
Massey
edit: he very well could break into the top 3-5 by the end of his senior year tho.
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I just don't want him to get to big of a head that cuts into his work ethic.
lol
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I just don't want him to get to big of a head that cuts into his work ethic.
Are you for serious, Luke?
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The look on that cheerleader's face (sitting on the floor to right of basket) is absolutely priceless.
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
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Pullen wasn't half the player Foster is at the same point in their careers. Hopefully we don't let him talk to his idiot HS coach that made him fat.
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
still wish he would have made his key free-throw though that would have ended the game in regulation.
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
still wish he would have made his key free-throw though that would have ended the game in regulation.
eff off
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
still wish he would have made his key free-throw though that would have ended the game in regulation.
eff off
:jerk: :runaway:
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the truth hurts
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Pullen wasn't half the player Foster is at the same point in their careers. Hopefully we don't let him talk to his idiot HS coach that made him fat.
you have some weird thing for hs coaches. his coach didn't make him fat.
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
still wish he would have made his key free-throw though that would have ended the game in regulation.
So much court awareness and ballz to make that play. Foster!! what's not to love?
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with all due respect to foster, that is incredibly bad defense.
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Pullen wasn't half the player Foster is at the same point in their careers. Hopefully we don't let him talk to his idiot HS coach that made him fat.
you have some weird thing for hs coaches. his coach didn't make him fat.
well, he told him to "take a break". Of course that led him straight into oscar's arms so whatevs
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jesus christ we were spoiled w/ Baylor dunks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuhRDjuDJlU
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well, he told him to "take a break". Of course that led him straight into oscar's arms so whatevs
how many hs kids immediately put on excessive weight if not practicing four hours a day? he's a hs coach, not a rough ridin' dietician.
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jesus christ we were spoiled w/ Baylor dunks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuhRDjuDJlU
Man.
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jesus christ we were spoiled w/ Baylor dunks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuhRDjuDJlU
Man.
Ben Boyle.
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jesus christ we were spoiled w/ Baylor dunks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuhRDjuDJlU
Man.
Ben Boyle.
how in the world has Stan been doing this so long but still so terrible at it
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
:love: :love: :love:
Wow. That stare is even more intimidating in .gif than it was in WyattVision. The look of shame on Jefferson's face almost breaks your heart.
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
:love: :love: :love:
Wow. That stare is even more intimidating in .gif than it was in WyattVision. The look of shame on Jefferson's face almost breaks your heart.
am I a dick for pointing out that wasn't Foster's studliest play or the studliest play on that floor in the last 13 months?
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
:love: :love: :love:
Wow. That stare is even more intimidating in .gif than it was in WyattVision. The look of shame on Jefferson's face almost breaks your heart.
am I a dick for pointing out that wasn't Foster's studliest play or the studliest play on that floor in the last 13 months?
I've always wanted to ask, is that your billy goat?
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This is like the studliest play I've seen a Wildcat player make since Huggins arrived.
:love: :love: :love:
Wow. That stare is even more intimidating in .gif than it was in WyattVision. The look of shame on Jefferson's face almost breaks your heart.
am I a dick for pointing out that wasn't Foster's studliest play or the studliest play on that floor in the last 13 months?
the 9.95 sticking of the landing followed by not moving for five seconds and just staring the guy down is pretty god damn studly.
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baylor should do more, i'll try and watch him again in that game.
i'm giving up on trying to watch him. either he doesn't play or i don't watch. it's too hard.
he seems about the same to me. better off the ball. not quite so bad with fakes. just normal freshman progression.
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He only had 2 points on 1-8 shooting against Tech in Bramlage. The law of averages says he'll go for 28 (or maybe even 29!) tonight! :ksu:
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Currently 477 Points, 15.4 PPG.
Career Points
1. 2,132 Jacob Pullen 2007-11 __________135 gms
2. 2,115 Mike Evans 1974-78 __________117 gms
3. 1,844 Rolando Blackman 1977-81 __________121 gms
4. 1,834 Askia Jones 1989-94 __________124 gms
5. 1,685 Bob Boozer 1956-59 __________77 gms
6. 1,655 Steve Henson 1987-90 __________127 gms
7. 1,576 Rodney McGruder 2009-13 __________135 gms
8. 1,546 Cartier Martin 2003-07 __________112 gms
9. 1,364 Chuckie Williams 1972-76 __________84 gms
10. 1,327 Mitch Richmond 1986-88 __________64 gms
Season Points
1. 866 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________33 gms
2. 786 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________34 gms
3. 729 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
4. 715 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
5. 691 Bob Boozer 1958-59 __________27 gms
6. 648 Willie Murrell 1963-64 __________29 gms
7. 640 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________29 gms
8. 626 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________31 gms
9. 613 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
10. 609 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________28 gms
Season Scoring Average
1. 26.2 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________33 gms
2. 25.6 Bob Boozer 1958-59 __________27 gms
3. 22.7 Dick Knostman 1952-53 __________21 gms
4. 22.6 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________34 gms
5. 22.3 Willie Murrell 1963-64 __________29 gms
6. 22.1 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
6. 22.1 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________29 gms
8. 21.8 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________29 gms
9. 20.9 Chuckie Williams 1975-76 __________28 gms
10. 20.7 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________19 gms
Finished with 298 points, 16.6 PPG in Big 12 games.
Season Points/Conference
1. 455 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________16 gms
2. 342 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________16 gms
3. 335 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________14 gms
4. 334 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________14 gms
5. 323 Norris Coleman 1986-87 __________14 gms
6. 320 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________14 gms
7. 314 Rodney McGruder 2011-12 __________18 gms
8. 300 Jeremiah Massey 2004-05 __________16 gms
9. 295 Denis Clemente 2008-09 __________16 gms
10. 291 Mike Evans 1975-75 __________14 gms
Season Scoring Average/Conference
1. 28.4 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________16 gms
2. 24.6 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________14 gms
3. 23.9 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________14 gms
23.9 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________14 gms
5. 23.1 Norris Coleman 1986-87 __________14 gms
6. 21.4 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________16 gms
7. 20.8 Mike Evans 1975-76 __________14 gms
8. 20.2 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________14 gms
9. 19.7 Rolando Blackman 1979-80 __________14 gms
10. 18.9 Mike Evans 1977-78 __________14 gms
18.9 Joe Wright 1985-86 __________14 gms
Currently 75-189 (.397) from 3.
Season 3-Point Field Goals Made
1. 110 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
110 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
3. 93 Steve Henson 1989-90 __________32 gms
4. 88 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
5. 80 Gilson DeJesus 2002-03 __________30 gms
6. 79 Steve Henson 1988-89 __________30 gms
7. 78 Askia Jones 1991-92 __________30 gms
78 Cartier Martin 2006-07 __________35 gms
9. 75 Jacob Pullen 2008-09 __________34 gms
10. 74 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________31 gms
Season 3-Point Field Goals Attempted
1. 279 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
2. 278 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
3. 258 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
4. 224 Jacob Pullen 2008-09 __________34 gms
5. 213 Steve Henson 1989-90 __________32 gms
6. 202 Cartier Martin 2006-07 __________35 gms
7. 195 Askia Jones 1991-92 __________30 gms
8. 194 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________34 gms
9. 189 Anthony Beane 1993-94 __________33 gms
10. 187 Cortez Groves 1999-2000 ________28 gms
Season 3-Point Field Goal Percentage*
1. 52.9 (72/136) Will Scott ________1986-87 ______31 gms
2. 50.6 (42/83) Steve Henson ______1987-88 ______34 gms
3. 49.6 (70/141) Will Scott ________1987-88 ______34 gms
4. 46.9 (46/98) Mitch Richmond ____1987-88 ______34 gms
5. 44.6 (79/177) Steve Henson ______1988-89 ______30 gms
6. 43.7 (80/183) Gilson DeJesus ______2002-03 ______30 gms
43.7 (93/213) Steve Henson ______1989-90 ______32 gms
8. 43.6 (48/110) Shane Southwell ____2012-13 ______33 gms
9. 43.5 (64/147) Galen Morrison ____1999-2000 ____28 gms
10. 42.7 (50/117) Cartier Martin ______2005-06 ______28 gms
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Currently 477 Points, 15.4 PPG.
Career Points
1. 2,132 Jacob Pullen 2007-11 __________135 gms
2. 2,115 Mike Evans 1974-78 __________117 gms
3. 1,844 Rolando Blackman 1977-81 __________121 gms
4. 1,834 Askia Jones 1989-94 __________124 gms
5. 1,685 Bob Boozer 1956-59 __________77 gms
6. 1,655 Steve Henson 1987-90 __________127 gms
7. 1,576 Rodney McGruder 2009-13 __________135 gms
8. 1,546 Cartier Martin 2003-07 __________112 gms
9. 1,364 Chuckie Williams 1972-76 __________84 gms
10. 1,327 Mitch Richmond 1986-88 __________64 gms
Season Points
1. 866 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________33 gms
2. 786 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________34 gms
3. 729 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
4. 715 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
5. 691 Bob Boozer 1958-59 __________27 gms
6. 648 Willie Murrell 1963-64 __________29 gms
7. 640 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________29 gms
8. 626 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________31 gms
9. 613 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
10. 609 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________28 gms
Season Scoring Average
1. 26.2 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________33 gms
2. 25.6 Bob Boozer 1958-59 __________27 gms
3. 22.7 Dick Knostman 1952-53 __________21 gms
4. 22.6 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________34 gms
5. 22.3 Willie Murrell 1963-64 __________29 gms
6. 22.1 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
6. 22.1 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________29 gms
8. 21.8 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________29 gms
9. 20.9 Chuckie Williams 1975-76 __________28 gms
10. 20.7 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________19 gms
Finished with 298 points, 16.6 PPG in Big 12 games.
Season Points/Conference
1. 455 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________16 gms
2. 342 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________16 gms
3. 335 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________14 gms
4. 334 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________14 gms
5. 323 Norris Coleman 1986-87 __________14 gms
6. 320 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________14 gms
7. 314 Rodney McGruder 2011-12 __________18 gms
8. 300 Jeremiah Massey 2004-05 __________16 gms
9. 295 Denis Clemente 2008-09 __________16 gms
10. 291 Mike Evans 1975-75 __________14 gms
Season Scoring Average/Conference
1. 28.4 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________16 gms
2. 24.6 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________14 gms
3. 23.9 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________14 gms
23.9 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________14 gms
5. 23.1 Norris Coleman 1986-87 __________14 gms
6. 21.4 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________16 gms
7. 20.8 Mike Evans 1975-76 __________14 gms
8. 20.2 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________14 gms
9. 19.7 Rolando Blackman 1979-80 __________14 gms
10. 18.9 Mike Evans 1977-78 __________14 gms
18.9 Joe Wright 1985-86 __________14 gms
Currently 75-189 (.397) from 3.
Season 3-Point Field Goals Made
1. 110 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
110 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
3. 93 Steve Henson 1989-90 __________32 gms
4. 88 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
5. 80 Gilson DeJesus 2002-03 __________30 gms
6. 79 Steve Henson 1988-89 __________30 gms
7. 78 Askia Jones 1991-92 __________30 gms
78 Cartier Martin 2006-07 __________35 gms
9. 75 Jacob Pullen 2008-09 __________34 gms
10. 74 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________31 gms
Season 3-Point Field Goals Attempted
1. 279 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
2. 278 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
3. 258 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
4. 224 Jacob Pullen 2008-09 __________34 gms
5. 213 Steve Henson 1989-90 __________32 gms
6. 202 Cartier Martin 2006-07 __________35 gms
7. 195 Askia Jones 1991-92 __________30 gms
8. 194 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________34 gms
9. 189 Anthony Beane 1993-94 __________33 gms
10. 187 Cortez Groves 1999-2000 ________28 gms
Season 3-Point Field Goal Percentage*
1. 52.9 (72/136) Will Scott ________1986-87 ______31 gms
2. 50.6 (42/83) Steve Henson ______1987-88 ______34 gms
3. 49.6 (70/141) Will Scott ________1987-88 ______34 gms
4. 46.9 (46/98) Mitch Richmond ____1987-88 ______34 gms
5. 44.6 (79/177) Steve Henson ______1988-89 ______30 gms
6. 43.7 (80/183) Gilson DeJesus ______2002-03 ______30 gms
43.7 (93/213) Steve Henson ______1989-90 ______32 gms
8. 43.6 (48/110) Shane Southwell ____2012-13 ______33 gms
9. 43.5 (64/147) Galen Morrison ____1999-2000 ____28 gms
10. 42.7 (50/117) Cartier Martin ______2005-06 ______28 gms
so if he didn't score a point in the post season, and kept up the exact point total for each of the next 3 seasons it would put him at 3? I think he has a real good shot at #1.
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so if he didn't score a point in the post season, and kept up the exact point total for each of the next 3 seasons it would put him at 3? I think he has a real good shot at #1.
Yes. He's got at least 2 more games left, so its likely he'll get to 500 points and be only the 19th K-State player ever to do so. (full list below)
If he just gets his average in just 2 more games he'll finish with 507 points, which would be 23.8% of Pullen's total, well on track for the record if he doesn't get injured and miss a lot of games (or go pro early).
Season Points
1. 866 Michael Beasley 2007-08 __________33 gms
2. 786 Mitch Richmond 1987-88 __________34 gms
3. 729 Askia Jones 1993-94 __________33 gms
4. 715 Jacob Pullen 2009-10 __________37 gms
5. 691 Bob Boozer 1958-59 __________27 gms
6. 648 Willie Murrell 1963-64 __________29 gms
7. 640 Chuckie Williams 1974-75 __________29 gms
8. 626 Jacob Pullen 2010-11 __________31 gms
9. 613 Denis Clemente 2009-10 __________37 gms
10. 609 Norris Coleman 1985-86 __________28 gms
Others to Top 500 Points in a Season (18)
599 Cartier Martin 2006-07 __________35 gms
585 Chuckie Williams 1975-76 __________28 gms
566 Mike Evans 1976-77 __________31 gms
559 Mitch Richmond 1986-87 __________30 gms
556 Steve Henson 1989-90 __________32 gms
555 Mike Evans 1977-78 __________29 gms
555 Steve Henson 1988-89 __________30 gms
552 Rolando Blackman 1979-80 __________31 gms
547 Rodney McGruder 2012-13 __________35 gms
544 Bob Boozer 1957-58 __________27 gms
544 Joe Wright 1985-86 __________30 gms
523 Rodney McGruder 2011-12 __________33 gms
518 Jeremiah Massey 2004-05 __________29 gms
516 Curtis Redding 1976-77 __________31 gms
514 Curtis Redding 1977-78 __________28 gms
508 David Hoskins 2006-07 __________35 gms
504 Cartier Martin 2005-06 __________28 gms
502 Mike Evans 1975-76 __________28 gms
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Compared to other freshmen at K-State (I just included the categories he'll make):
Points
1. 866 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
2. 609 Norris Coleman __________1985-86
3. 516 Curtis Redding____________1976-77
4. 498 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
5. 492 Mike Evans ______________1974-75
6. 319 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
7. 315 Rolando Blackman ________1977-78
8. 286 Ed Nealy ______________1978-79
9. 282 Jamar Samuels __________2008-09
10. 265 Angel Rodriguez __________2011-12
Foster - 477
Assists
1. 116 Clent Stewart ____________2004-05
2. 114 Steve Henson ____________1986-87
3. 106 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
4. 101 Angel Rodriguez __________2011-12
5. 88 Benny Green ____________1985-86
88 Glenn Marshall __________1978-79
7. 73 Nick Williams ____________2001-02
8. 68 Freddy Marshall __________1982-83
9. 65 Jim Roder ______________1982-83
10. 64 Tyrone Adams ____________1978-79
Foster 75
Field Goals Made
1. 307 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
2. 254 Norris Coleman __________1985-86
3. 213 Mike Evans ______________1974-75
4. 196 Curtis Redding____________1976-77
5. 181 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
6. 127 Rolando Blackman ________1977-78
7. 115 Ed Nealy ______________1978-79
8. 108 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
9. 105 Glenn Marshall __________1978-79
10. 103 Askia Jones______________1989-90
Foster 163
Field Goals Attempts
1. 577 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
2. 490 Norris Coleman __________1985-86
3. 461 Curtis Redding____________1976-77
4. 446 Mike Evans ______________1974-75
5. 389 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
6. 269 Rolando Blackman ________1977-78
269 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
8. 266 Ed Nealy ______________1978-79
9. 250 Askia Jones______________1989-90
10. 239 Glenn Marshall __________1978-79
Foster 388
3-Point Field Goals Made
1. 42 Brian Henson ____________1991-92
2. 40 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
40 Will Spradling ____________2010-11
4. 36 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
5. 35 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
6. 32 Angel Rodriguez __________2011-12
7. 26 Steve Henson ____________1986-87
8. 23 Clent Stewart ____________2004-05
23 Nick Williams ____________2001-02
10. 21 Dez Willingham __________2003-04
Foster 75
3-Point Field Goal Percentage
1. .406 Steve Henson ____________1986-87
2. .382 Brian Henson ____________1991-92
3. .379 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
4. .377 Nick Williams ____________2001-02
5. .370 Will Spradling ____________2010-11
6. .368 Dez Willingham __________2003-04
7. .347 Cartier Martin ____________2003-04
8. .319 Clent Stewart ____________2004-05
9. .318 Adam Lopez ____________1997-98
10. .317 Angel Rodriguez __________2011-12
Foster .397
Free Throws Made
1. 216 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
2. 124 Curtis Redding____________1976-77
3. 101 Norris Coleman __________1985-86
101 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
5. 97 Jamar Samuels __________2008-09
6. 73 Angel Rodriguez __________2011-12
7. 69 Marques Hayden __________2002-03
8. 66 Mike Evans ______________1974-75
9. 63 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
10. 61 Rolando Blackman ________1977-78
Foster 78
Free Throw Percentage
1. .832 Curtis Redding____________1976-77
2. .826 Steve Henson ____________1986-87
3. .815 Mike Evans ______________1974-75
4. .789 Ed Nealy ______________1978-79
5. .774 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
6. .747 Nick Williams ____________2001-02
7. .743 Norris Coleman __________1985-86
8. .737 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
9. .689 Angel Rodriguez __________2011-12
10. .685 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
Foster .729
Minutes Played
1. 1,041 Michael Beasley __________2007-08
2. 992 Norris Coleman __________1985-86
3. 950 Steve Henson ____________1986-87
4. 922 Clent Stewart ____________2004-05
5. 846 Bill Walker ______________2007-08
6. 818 Nick Williams ____________2001-02
7. 771 Jacob Pullen ____________2007-08
8. 745 Will Spradling ____________2010-11
9. 715 Askia Jones______________1989-90
10. 698 Jamar Samuels __________2008-09
Foster 932
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Fost-dog is going to have his jersey in the rafters....(better be after Jake tho)
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I knew Beasley was the greatest ever player to play for the Cats, but I didn't realize the sheer magnitude of how much better he was than the 2nd best ever player. Just absurd.
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I knew Beasley was the greatest ever player to play for the Cats, but I didn't realize the sheer magnitude of how much better he was than the 2nd best ever player. Just absurd.
I'm on the fence on a lot things, but I don't expect to ever see another Beasley caliber player at K-State in my lifetime. He put up video game numbers.
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I knew Beasley was the greatest ever player to play for the Cats, but I didn't realize the sheer magnitude of how much better he was than the 2nd best ever player. Just absurd.
I'm on the fence on a lot things, but I don't expect to ever see another Beasley caliber player at K-State in my lifetime. He put up video game numbers.
It was incredible to watch.
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I knew Beasley was the greatest ever player to play for the Cats, but I didn't realize the sheer magnitude of how much better he was than the 2nd best ever player. Just absurd.
I'm on the fence on a lot things, but I don't expect to ever see another Beasley caliber player at K-State in my lifetime. He put up video game numbers.
How many more times in our lifetime do we see a player like that in college basketball period? Maybe twice?
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I knew Beasley was the greatest ever player to play for the Cats, but I didn't realize the sheer magnitude of how much better he was than the 2nd best ever player. Just absurd.
I'm on the fence on a lot things, but I don't expect to ever see another Beasley caliber player at K-State in my lifetime. He put up video game numbers.
How many more times in our lifetime do we see a player like that in college basketball period? Maybe twice?
Maybe. It's crazy we saw Beasley and Durant so close together. Throw Carmelo in there too.
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I don't think the current 1-year rule will be around for our entire lifetimes.
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I don't think the current 1-year rule will be around for our entire lifetimes.
next move is to the baseball rule
Also when looking at these numbers I can't get over Jake being the all-time scorer when he played with Beasley and Walker as a freshman. One, four, and six all on the same team on that freshman list, that team really underachieved.
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I don't think the current 1-year rule will be around for our entire lifetimes.
next move is to the baseball rule
Also when looking at these numbers I can't get over Jake being the all-time scorer when he played with Beasley and Walker as a freshman. One, four, and six all on the same team on that freshman list, that team really underachieved.
Do you think it will be the baseball rule? Silver seems to want to adopt an NFL-esq rule or so it seems.
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I don't think the current 1-year rule will be around for our entire lifetimes.
next move is to the baseball rule
Also when looking at these numbers I can't get over Jake being the all-time scorer when he played with Beasley and Walker as a freshman. One, four, and six all on the same team on that freshman list, that team really underachieved.
Do you think it will be the baseball rule? Silver seems to want to adopt an NFL-esq rule or so it seems.
Most of the analysts I have read seem to think the NFL rule will come into effect. That would still be better than the current rule, but I prefer the baseball rule.
However, I bet we'll see plenty of guys stick around for a third year (or fourth) who THOUGHT that they'd go pro after their first year, if the current system was in place. Sophomore slumps will get plenty of them.
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What rule helps K-State the most?
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I don't think the current 1-year rule will be around for our entire lifetimes.
next move is to the baseball rule
Also when looking at these numbers I can't get over Jake being the all-time scorer when he played with Beasley and Walker as a freshman. One, four, and six all on the same team on that freshman list, that team really underachieved.
Do you think it will be the baseball rule? Silver seems to want to adopt an NFL-esq rule or so it seems.
The players association gets the final decision, the league will do whatever the union wants when it comes to this issue. I think they will go to the baseball rule because it is a compromise, the players are somewhat split on this issue.
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I think there should be no rule.
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I don't think the current 1-year rule will be around for our entire lifetimes.
next move is to the baseball rule
Also when looking at these numbers I can't get over Jake being the all-time scorer when he played with Beasley and Walker as a freshman. One, four, and six all on the same team on that freshman list, that team really underachieved.
Do you think it will be the baseball rule? Silver seems to want to adopt an NFL-esq rule or so it seems.
The players association gets the final decision, the league will do whatever the union wants when it comes to this issue. I think they will go to the baseball rule because it is a compromise, the players are somewhat split on this issue.
What rule benefits K-State and our mission to be competitive? I think the baseball rule is the worst possible rule for us.
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I think there should be no rule.
NO ONE GIVES A crap WHAT YOU THINK SAN FRANCISCO HIPPIE!
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I think there should be no rule.
Absolutely, there is no need in basketball
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What rule benefits K-State and our mission to be competitive? I think the baseball rule is the worst possible rule for us.
I agree, those we play against will be stronger as a result.
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If the baseball rule is the rule that is adopted it will be the end of competitive college basketball imo
edit: that is a little extreme but it will be bad I think.
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I think there should be no rule.
Absolutely, there is no need in basketball
Agreed. If a dumbass kid wants to forgo college and risk not making the NBA, it's his right, IMO.
It's funny, I know all these uber capitalist KU alumns who are vehemently against letting players go pro out of high school and give their pinky fingers for the baseball rule. It's like they only care about those ideals when they suit their own interests. I'm probably just misunderstanding them, because surely they wouldn't be like that.
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I'm confused as to why the baseball rule, the NFL rule, or no rule would effect most CBB teams in more of a negative manner than the current rule. With one notable exception, the one and dones have had a pretty small impact on who wins a championship. There are over 1100 players in just the top 7 conferences alone, the name of the game is still evaluation and development, you have to stretch your mind pretty far to conclude that this would change because 3 or 4 kids a year never step foot on a campus and another 3 or 4 kids stay 3 years instead of 2.
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I think there should be no rule.
You're correct!
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I think there should be no rule.
You're correct!
I don't agree. There are plenty of industries that have minimum requirements, why should sports be any different?
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I think there should be no rule.
You're correct!
I don't agree. There are plenty of industries that have minimum requirements, why should sports be any different?
I worked through this in my head over the weekend at the while elliptical'n. I'm confident that the results of a return to the free market system would roughly be the same as what the "baseball rule" would mandate, while allowing flexibility for unique circumstances.
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I think there should be no rule.
You're correct!
I don't agree. There are plenty of industries that have minimum requirements, why should sports be any different?
i think the nfl rule is fine for the nfl and players because there is a real safety issue with even the most talented 18yr olds going up against pros. it also has only effected a handful of players throughout time(though, that number is probably growing more rapidly).
i don't think those same barriers exist in basketball. the pre-1 and done rule showed that talented 18yr olds can play fine in the nba and the rule effects significantly more players.
*edit*
the baseball rule is just straight dumb, but at least there is a viable minor league system, which is the only reason i can see for basketball players to have to go to school a year.
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I think there should be no rule.
NO ONE GIVES A crap WHAT YOU THINK SAN FRANCISCO HIPPIE!
everyone was thinking it, thank god someone said it.
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Doyel posted this, seems pertinent:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bicu72eCMAA5tln.png)
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The NBA's rule is in place to protect the Korleone Young's of the world. It has helped a lot more people than it has hurt IMO.
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The NBA's rule is in place to protect the Korleone Young's of the world. It has helped a lot more people than it has hurt IMO.
How many Korleone Young's were there before the rule passed?
It's about marketing for the NBA and ensuring guys Coach K and Self don't sign a recruit and lose them before they play a game, not about protecting players.
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The NBA's rule is in place to protect the Korleone Young's of the world. It has helped a lot more people than it has hurt IMO.
How many Korleone Young's were there before the rule passed?
It's about marketing for the NBA and ensuring guys Coach K and Self don't sign a recruit and lose them before they play a game, not about protecting players.
It's protecting the NBA from drafting based purely on workouts.
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It's protecting the NBA from drafting based purely on workouts.
They can do that without a rule, if they'd like.
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
Even with no rule, nothing would prevent teams from preferring kids who have a fanbase from college.
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The NBA's rule is in place to protect the Korleone Young's of the world. It has helped a lot more people than it has hurt IMO.
How many Korleone Young's were there before the rule passed?
It's about marketing for the NBA and ensuring guys Coach K and Self don't sign a recruit and lose them before they play a game, not about protecting players.
It's protecting the NBA from drafting based purely on workouts.
The NBA could not care less about Coach K and Massa Self's recruits. Jabari Parker was on the cover of SI as a HS junior. Do you think 1 year at Duke really aided his hype/marketability?
The rule protects the teams from drafting 18 y/o kids who need more development. If the 30 owners want to make the decision that players need to be 1 year out of high school then that is their decision to make.
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The rule protects the teams from drafting 18 y/o kids who need more development. If the 30 owners want to make the decision that players need to be 1 year out of high school then that is their decision to make.
Who's gonna protect them from that dumb decision? :ohno:
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How many players have been hurt by this rule? Any?
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
Even with no rule, nothing would prevent teams from preferring kids who have a fanbase from college.
What I am saying is that this is what the one year rule is about. You are right, but why should the NBA make that choice if they can have all kids go to college and through the same media hype machine? It's free advertising for their eventual product.
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How many players have been hurt by this rule? Any?
Bill Walker
Would have been an instant millionaire. Instead, came to school, busted his knee, slipped way south of where he would have been taken as a HS sr, and lost out on a big signing bonus and possibly could have avoided the knee injury.
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The NBA's rule is in place to protect the Korleone Young's of the world. It has helped a lot more people than it has hurt IMO.
Korleone Young would not have been helped by the current rule, he would have left after a year and that would have been a bad decision too.
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How many players have been hurt by this rule? Any?
All of the ones who could've/should've been making money in the NBA a year earlier.
It's ridiculous that the one-and-done types who NBA experts say are ready after completing high school (or earlier) are going to college because of an arbitrary rule that says NBA players need to be a year out of high school, which is in place for dubious reasons. My impression is that most current one-and-dones consist of kids who would go pro w/o the one if allowed, as opposed to kids who chose to go to college and/or weren't good enough to go pro and then were so good there in one year that the situation changed and they go pro.
In other words, even with no rule, I feel that the "baseball rule" would essentially be in effect if there was no rule. The elites who otherwise would be "one and done" would go pro right away, and the college players would play in college and develop until they've become NBA-worthy, likely in more than one year. If there's an exceptional scenario, there'd be no rules arbitrarily allowing for the surprise freshman stud to go pro rather than be stuck in college for 2 more years for no reason.
And there'll be dumbass kids who overvalue themselves and go pro right away and lose their eligibility, and dumbass NBA teams who take them, but the free market will eventually smarten everyone up.
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I agree with most of the rationale for the rule here, but this rule also protects NBA owners from themselves. The mid-90s featured Garnett, Bryant, O'Neal (Jermaine), and McGrady. After that more teams started to take the chance on high school players and by the early 2000s most of the picks weren't very good players. The rule made it easy for owners not to "be forced" to take those choices, plus the bad publicity those bad choices started to bring to the league.
Scroll down for the list of HS draft picks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
The only argument worse than this one about the NBA entry rules is that NBA entry rules are racist.
The amount of actual money the NBA makes from having these guys in college is astronomically tiny. Do you really think Wiggins being at KU for a couple of months will make the KU fan who is not already a NBA consumer suddenly become one? How many K-State fans do you know went out and purchased Miami Heat or Boston Celtics jerseys in 2008? Quick, where's Cartier Martin? For the most part college fans and NBA fans are very different. Most NBA fans can't stand the relatively poor quality of NCAA basketball.
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I'm happy the one-and-done rule is there, for selfish reasons.
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to answer the OP, yes.
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
The only argument worse than this one about the NBA entry rules is that NBA entry rules are racist.
The amount of actual money the NBA makes from having these guys in college is astronomically tiny. Do you really think Wiggins being at KU for a couple of months will make the KU fan who is not already a NBA consumer suddenly become one? How many K-State fans do you know went out and purchased Miami Heat or Boston Celtics jerseys in 2008? Quick, where's Cartier Martin? For the most part college fans and NBA fans are very different. Most NBA fans can't stand the relatively poor quality of NCAA basketball.
I think that there is a portion of fanbases that will follow their guy, yes. As for that portion being astronomically tiny, I don't know. I have never heard/read a story speaking to that. If you have that info, I would be interested in seeing it.
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to answer the OP, yes.
:lol:
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How many players have been hurt by this rule? Any?
All of the ones who could've/should've been making money in the NBA a year earlier.
It's ridiculous that the one-and-done types who NBA experts say are ready after completing high school (or earlier) are going to college because of an arbitrary rule that says NBA players need to be a year out of high school, which is in place for dubious reasons. My impression is that most current one-and-dones consist of kids who would go pro w/o the one if allowed, as opposed to kids who chose to go to college and/or weren't good enough to go pro and then were so good there in one year that the situation changed and they go pro.
In other words, even with no rule, I feel that the "baseball rule" would essentially be in effect if there was no rule. The elites who otherwise would be "one and done" would go pro right away, and the college players would play in college and develop until they've become NBA-worthy, likely in more than one year. If there's an exceptional scenario, there'd be no rules arbitrarily allowing for the surprise freshman stud to go pro rather than be stuck in college for 2 more years for no reason.
And there'll be dumbass kids who overvalue themselves and go pro right away and lose their eligibility, and dumbass NBA teams who take them, but the free market will eventually smarten everyone up.
I'm pro rule because I want at least some protection for the athletes. When there was no early entry rule it was too easy for kids to get bad advice and then flame out and it happened way more than it should have. So if you're a high school senior and wanted to test your NBA worth, for most you can't get an actual read until you workout for scouts and go to draft camps. The problem with that is once you do these things you lose your college eligibility. So if you get hurt in the spring or just got bad advice that you're NBA ready when you're not, then you're stuck. I'm all about free market correction but not when that market is slanted to hurt the disadvantaged at a disproportionate rate.
The issue isn't a rich owner or gm missing on a prospect but it's that prospect sitting at home because some agent gave out some poor advice, trying to get more cash.
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Protecting bad NBA owners/GMs from making bad decisions about 18-year-old prospects just frees up more time for them to make bad decisions about everything else.
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How many players have been hurt by this rule? Any?
All of the ones who could've/should've been making money in the NBA a year earlier.
It's ridiculous that the one-and-done types who NBA experts say are ready after completing high school (or earlier) are going to college because of an arbitrary rule that says NBA players need to be a year out of high school, which is in place for dubious reasons. My impression is that most current one-and-dones consist of kids who would go pro w/o the one if allowed, as opposed to kids who chose to go to college and/or weren't good enough to go pro and then were so good there in one year that the situation changed and they go pro.
In other words, even with no rule, I feel that the "baseball rule" would essentially be in effect if there was no rule. The elites who otherwise would be "one and done" would go pro right away, and the college players would play in college and develop until they've become NBA-worthy, likely in more than one year. If there's an exceptional scenario, there'd be no rules arbitrarily allowing for the surprise freshman stud to go pro rather than be stuck in college for 2 more years for no reason.
And there'll be dumbass kids who overvalue themselves and go pro right away and lose their eligibility, and dumbass NBA teams who take them, but the free market will eventually smarten everyone up.
I'm pro rule because I want at least some protection for the athletes. When there was no early entry rule it was too easy for kids to get bad advice and then flame out and it happened way more than it should have. So if you're a high school senior and wanted to test your NBA worth, for most you can't get an actual read until you workout for scouts and go to draft camps. The problem with that is once you do these things you lose your college eligibility. So if you get hurt in the spring or just got bad advice that you're NBA ready when you're not, then you're stuck. I'm all about free market correction but not when that market is slanted to hurt the disadvantaged at a disproportionate rate.
The issue isn't a rich owner or gm missing on a prospect but it's that prospect sitting at home because some agent gave out some poor advice, trying to get more cash.
I'm pretty much OK with kids in 2014 who can't figure out if they're NBA-ready or not getting mumped. But if others care about it, there's plenty of fixes that could be implemented along with eliminating the one-and-done rule to alleviate that concern.
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Protecting bad NBA owners/GMs from making bad decisions about 18-year-old prospects just frees up more time for them to make bad decisions about everything else.
Of course it does. I agree completely with MIR's rationale for the rule, but the owners didn't make the rule to protect the kids from bad advice or their own poor evaluations. Many/most owners/GMs were probably relieved that they weren't going to be "forced" to take a chance on the next Garnett, Koby, or LeBron. They get another year to evaluate talent against better competition and reduce (but not eliminate) the chance at the many mistakes made in the 2000s.
As a result, I don't think the rule is going away anytime soon.
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
The only argument worse than this one about the NBA entry rules is that NBA entry rules are racist.
The amount of actual money the NBA makes from having these guys in college is astronomically tiny. Do you really think Wiggins being at KU for a couple of months will make the KU fan who is not already a NBA consumer suddenly become one? How many K-State fans do you know went out and purchased Miami Heat or Boston Celtics jerseys in 2008? Quick, where's Cartier Martin? For the most part college fans and NBA fans are very different. Most NBA fans can't stand the relatively poor quality of NCAA basketball.
I think that there is a portion of fanbases that will follow their guy, yes. As for that portion being astronomically tiny, I don't know. I have never heard/read a story speaking to that. If you have that info, I would be interested in seeing it.
Follow for a bit, sure but they're not following in a way that's making money for the league, there was a reason I used the phrase "become a consumer." As for the info, I'll default to I the common sense that life presents us. Do you know anyone who became a NBA consumer because of a college player who got drafted? I don't. I bet we couldn't find 10 people on this board who brought a jersey or the NBA tv package because Beasley and Walker were drafted.
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Many/most owners/GMs were probably relieved that they weren't going to be "forced" to take a chance on the next Garnett, Koby, or LeBron. They get another year to evaluate talent against better competition and reduce (but not eliminate) the chance at the many mistakes made in the 2000s.
I want those relieved owners/GMs who don't want to or can't make tough decisions to suffer and the stud owners/GMs to thrive. Survival of the fittest.
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I'm pretty much OK with kids in 2014 who can't figure out if they're NBA-ready or not getting mumped. But if others care about it, there's plenty of fixes that could be implemented along with eliminating the one-and-done rule to alleviate that concern.
the fixes involve the NBA completely changing their calendar or the NCAA changing rules on what constitutes an amateur
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I want a go or stay 3years rule for a selfish reasons. And so should most of you unless you have a son who is really good at basketball.
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
The only argument worse than this one about the NBA entry rules is that NBA entry rules are racist.
The amount of actual money the NBA makes from having these guys in college is astronomically tiny. Do you really think Wiggins being at KU for a couple of months will make the KU fan who is not already a NBA consumer suddenly become one? How many K-State fans do you know went out and purchased Miami Heat or Boston Celtics jerseys in 2008? Quick, where's Cartier Martin? For the most part college fans and NBA fans are very different. Most NBA fans can't stand the relatively poor quality of NCAA basketball.
I think that there is a portion of fanbases that will follow their guy, yes. As for that portion being astronomically tiny, I don't know. I have never heard/read a story speaking to that. If you have that info, I would be interested in seeing it.
Follow for a bit, sure but they're not following in a way that's making money for the league, there was a reason I used the phrase "become a consumer." As for the info, I'll default to I the common sense that life presents us. Do you know anyone who became a NBA consumer because of a college player who got drafted? I don't. I bet we couldn't find 10 people on this board who brought a jersey or the NBA tv package because Beasley and Walker were drafted.
What marketing has the NBA done in the last 10 years that has had more of an impact domestically than the one-and-done rule?
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I want a go or stay 3years rule for a selfish reasons. And so should most of you unless you have a son who is really good at basketball.
It affects us very little. Because of that, I'm erring on the side of what is right.
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I'm pretty much OK with kids in 2014 who can't figure out if they're NBA-ready or not getting mumped. But if others care about it, there's plenty of fixes that could be implemented along with eliminating the one-and-done rule to alleviate that concern.
the fixes involve the NBA completely changing their calendar or the NCAA changing rules on what constitutes an amateur
Yes, the draft would have to be a little later, and I'm thinking there'd be some sort of combine/camp thing that prospects could go to without eligibility risk. When there's a few hundred dudes at the camp, if a kid can't figure out that there's 60 draft spots and only 30 that get guaranteed contracts and make the right decision, eff him.
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What marketing has the NBA done in the last 10 years that has had more of an impact domestically than the one-and-done rule?
The dress code.
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Its about marketing for the NBA. Having the entire sports world talking about Andrew Wiggins for an entire year, rather than just a month or two before draft, creates fans that follow the kid once he moves on to the NBA.
The only argument worse than this one about the NBA entry rules is that NBA entry rules are racist.
The amount of actual money the NBA makes from having these guys in college is astronomically tiny. Do you really think Wiggins being at KU for a couple of months will make the KU fan who is not already a NBA consumer suddenly become one? How many K-State fans do you know went out and purchased Miami Heat or Boston Celtics jerseys in 2008? Quick, where's Cartier Martin? For the most part college fans and NBA fans are very different. Most NBA fans can't stand the relatively poor quality of NCAA basketball.
I think that there is a portion of fanbases that will follow their guy, yes. As for that portion being astronomically tiny, I don't know. I have never heard/read a story speaking to that. If you have that info, I would be interested in seeing it.
Follow for a bit, sure but they're not following in a way that's making money for the league, there was a reason I used the phrase "become a consumer." As for the info, I'll default to I the common sense that life presents us. Do you know anyone who became a NBA consumer because of a college player who got drafted? I don't. I bet we couldn't find 10 people on this board who brought a jersey or the NBA tv package because Beasley and Walker were drafted.
What marketing has the NBA done in the last 10 years that has had more of an impact domestically than the one-and-done rule?
For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
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Mods please change thread title to "Will Foster breaking Pullen's scoring title lead to an revamp of the NBA one and done rule?"
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For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
You really think the dress code had more of an impact? :lol:
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Barring injuries and Dillard's, I think he's got a fantastic shot, even if he only makes moderate gains to his scoring he'll probably get it. Though, Pullen had a fantastic advantage in terms of post season play, Foster may or may not get the same benefit, even playing one extra post season game in both the NCAA and the Pepper at a 15.4 ppg average over 4 years gives about 123 points, and that ain't nothing.
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Barring injuries and Dillard's, I think he's got a fantastic shot, even if he only makes moderate gains to his scoring he'll probably get it. Though, Pullen had a fantastic advantage in terms of post season play, Foster may or may not get the same benefit, even playing one extra post season game in both the NCAA and the Pepper at a 15.4 ppg average over 4 years gives about 123 points, and that ain't nothing.
he could transfer, too.
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Mods please change thread title to "Will Foster breaking Pullen's scoring title lead to an revamp of the NBA one and done rule?"
When there aren't a bunch of people posting, someone can mod he rule talk to its own thread.
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Barring injuries and Dillard's, I think he's got a fantastic shot, even if he only makes moderate gains to his scoring he'll probably get it. Though, Pullen had a fantastic advantage in terms of post season play, Foster may or may not get the same benefit, even playing one extra post season game in both the NCAA and the Pepper at a 15.4 ppg average over 4 years gives about 123 points, and that ain't nothing.
he could transfer, too.
That too, but I don't want to think about it :flush:
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The union, which consists of existing NBA players, should want the rule to prevent players from entering for as long as possible, preserving jobs and extending careers.
Elites, both in evaluating and playing, should be rewarded at the expense of losery owners/GMs and journeymen.
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For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
You really think the dress code had more of an impact? :lol:
Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.
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For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
You really think the dress code had more of an impact? :lol:
Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.
I'm sure it had a positive impact, I just think it pales in comparison to the one-and-done rule. (And I realize the one-and-done rule wasn't necessarily designed as a marketing tool.)
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I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped.
Any rule changes that you think would help the NBA game? For instance, sometimes they talk about instituting FIBA goaltending rules in the NBA. Any thoughts on that or any other changes that would help the game play?
The goaltending? It definitely wouldn’t help. You have too many athletic guys in this league that would tip the ball out of the rim, so pretty much to make a basket you will need to swish it, you know what I’m saying?
I would say I would loosen up a little bit the rules about the fighting fines. That’s what I would loosen up. Because today you go to an ice hockey game, and the one thing they’re waiting for is a fight, you know what I’m saying? So if they could set it up something like that in the NBA. That if there are two guys and they have a problem, if they could just separate everybody. And these two people that have problem, if they could fight ...
During the game?
During the game. Quick, 15-20 seconds, throw few punches, then referees jump in and break this thing up. I think the game ... these two guys, they resolved their problem. They’re both suspended and they’re leaving. But end of the day, they fix the problem between each other, fans are super excited, and I think that would be a pretty cool idea [chuckles].
You’d need bigger refs. You couldn’t have Dick Bavetta out there.
At some point when the referees jump in, then you’d have to stop. You’d have to stop. So I think that would be a great idea, just like the ice hockey fans waiting for that, that’s would NBA fans would get into, as well.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/66595/throwing-down-the-polish-hammer
:lol:
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Barring injuries and Dillard's, I think he's got a fantastic shot, even if he only makes moderate gains to his scoring he'll probably get it. Though, Pullen had a fantastic advantage in terms of post season play, Foster may or may not get the same benefit, even playing one extra post season game in both the NCAA and the Pepper at a 15.4 ppg average over 4 years gives about 123 points, and that ain't nothing.
he could transfer, too.
Nick Williams 2. :frown:
If he stays at K-State (I think he will) and plays for 4 years (avoiding major injury) he will be at worst 3rd on the career list (behind Pullen and Evans). He's already averaging more PPG than Pullen did as a SO and its likely he'll average near 20 PPG his JR and SR year with even nominal improvement. The fact that he's a 40% 3PT shooter already bodes well for him and I think he'll get better on 2s and getting to the FT line.
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For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
You really think the dress code had more of an impact? :lol:
Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.
I'm sure it had a positive impact, I just think it pales in comparison to the one-and-done rule. (And I realize the one-and-done rule wasn't necessarily designed as a marketing tool.)
I'll ask you the same question I asked cns; do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass when players from their university get drafted? K-State is the perfect example because we aren't a program that would get one and done players and we had 2 at once and we didn't convert any college fans to NBA consumers. You think schools like KU, UK, and UNC are pumping out NBA fans that would make any discernable impact on the league's bottom line? How many people do you think are walking around Kentucky in Pelicans jerseys?
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I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped.
Any rule changes that you think would help the NBA game? For instance, sometimes they talk about instituting FIBA goaltending rules in the NBA. Any thoughts on that or any other changes that would help the game play?
The goaltending? It definitely wouldn’t help. You have too many athletic guys in this league that would tip the ball out of the rim, so pretty much to make a basket you will need to swish it, you know what I’m saying?
I would say I would loosen up a little bit the rules about the fighting fines. That’s what I would loosen up. Because today you go to an ice hockey game, and the one thing they’re waiting for is a fight, you know what I’m saying? So if they could set it up something like that in the NBA. That if there are two guys and they have a problem, if they could just separate everybody. And these two people that have problem, if they could fight ...
During the game?
During the game. Quick, 15-20 seconds, throw few punches, then referees jump in and break this thing up. I think the game ... these two guys, they resolved their problem. They’re both suspended and they’re leaving. But end of the day, they fix the problem between each other, fans are super excited, and I think that would be a pretty cool idea [chuckles].
You’d need bigger refs. You couldn’t have Dick Bavetta out there.
At some point when the referees jump in, then you’d have to stop. You’d have to stop. So I think that would be a great idea, just like the ice hockey fans waiting for that, that’s would NBA fans would get into, as well.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/66595/throwing-down-the-polish-hammer
:lol:
:lol:
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/66595/throwing-down-the-polish-hammer
:lol:
:love: :love: :love:
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For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
You really think the dress code had more of an impact? :lol:
Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.
I'm sure it had a positive impact, I just think it pales in comparison to the one-and-done rule. (And I realize the one-and-done rule wasn't necessarily designed as a marketing tool.)
I'll ask you the same question I asked cns; do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass when players from their university get drafted? K-State is the perfect example because we aren't a program that would get one and done players and we had 2 at once and we didn't convert any college fans to NBA consumers. You think schools like KU, UK, and UNC are pumping out NBA fans that would make any discernable impact on the league's bottom line? How many people do you think are walking around Kentucky in Pelicans jerseys?
Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?
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re. foster. he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.
oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.
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re. foster. he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.
oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.
True. SR Cartier and SR Pullen were the two other non-Beasley players to have at least 30% %shots going back to 03, but I'd guess he'll be at least 27% %shots the rest of his career and if he does that he'll top this year's 15 PPG.
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For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.
You really think the dress code had more of an impact? :lol:
Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.
I'm sure it had a positive impact, I just think it pales in comparison to the one-and-done rule. (And I realize the one-and-done rule wasn't necessarily designed as a marketing tool.)
I'll ask you the same question I asked cns; do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass when players from their university get drafted? K-State is the perfect example because we aren't a program that would get one and done players and we had 2 at once and we didn't convert any college fans to NBA consumers. You think schools like KU, UK, and UNC are pumping out NBA fans that would make any discernable impact on the league's bottom line? How many people do you think are walking around Kentucky in Pelicans jerseys?
Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?
I know the dress code has made the NBA more appealing to Madison Avenue and middle America. I'm certain I wouldn't be seeing some dude who makes suits, LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Russell Westbrook on Extra without the dress code. What new exposure is the league getting from the one & done rule?
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re. foster. he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.
oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.
great point
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Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?
I'm starting to think that michigancat doesn't know what marketing is.
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Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?
I'm starting to think that michigancat doesn't know what marketing is.
Hey dumbshit, that was MiR's requirement for quality marketing, not mine.
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re. foster. he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.
oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.
I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5). Foster was at a 25.6 this season. All stats in this post are conference only.
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I know the dress code has made the NBA more appealing to Madison Avenue and middle America. I'm certain I wouldn't be seeing some dude who makes suits, LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Russell Westbrook on Extra without the dress code. What new exposure is the league getting from the one & done rule?
I agree that it can definitely have a positive impact, (although I disagree Wade, James, and Westbrook wouldn't be on "Extra" without it - those guys are megastars that would have dressed sharply with or without the dress code).
I've already explained the impact of the one-and-done rule - more people absolutely watch games, attend games, and follow the NBA because of players that went to their college. I agree it isn't creating hardcore fans, but it is creating casual fans.
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Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?
I'm starting to think that michigancat doesn't know what marketing is.
Hey dumbshit, that was MiR's requirement for quality marketing, not mine.
Marketing is changing or creating a person's perception of a product. The dress code had a major impact on how casual fans perceive NBA players. How is this concept so hard to understand?
I bet that the casual fan has no idea where Durant, Wall, or Kyrie played one year of college.
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re. foster. he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.
oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.
I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5). Foster was at a 25.6 this season. All stats in this post are conference only.
I don't think we'll see that jump. Foster has shown that he can get to the rim, but he won't be the driver that Pullen was IMO.
As sys said, if anything he needs to shoot more 3s. So far this year 48.7% of Foster's shots are 3s and he's shooting .397. On 2s he's only shooting .437. In Big 12 play, 47.4% of his shots were 3s and he made .432 while making .447 on 2s. Its clear that oscar makes it a point to get Foster shots early and to get him shots during the game. If anything, I wish we'd run a few more sets to get him shots. I also think he's better at creating his own shots (he's pretty good hitting jumpers off ball screens) which is something that Rodney wasn't very good at.
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Marketing is changing or creating a person's perception of a product. The dress code had a major impact on how casual fans perceive NBA players. How is this concept so hard to understand?
I understand what marketing is. I just disagree that the dress code has had a major impact on casual fans' perceptions. Do you have any evidence of this? Even anecdotal?
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I'd guess he'll be at least 27% %shots the rest of his career.
absolutely. i'd hope considerably higher than that (and more of them 3s).
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I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5). Foster was at a 25.6 this season. All stats in this post are conference only.
i hope he realizes that any idiot can drive, but that hardly anyone can shoot like him.
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I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5). Foster was at a 25.6 this season. All stats in this post are conference only.
i hope he realizes that any idiot can drive, but that hardly anyone can shoot like him.
Will his coach realize this?
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May or may not have been said already in here, but if Foster does break Pullen's record, do you think BW will laugh to himself about Pullen's comments when BW was hired? If I were BW I would chuckle a bit and that Foster (A guy that was good enough to play for me) broke Pullen's record.
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May or may not have been said already in here, but if Foster does break Pullen's record, do you think BW will laugh to himself about Pullen's comments when BW was hired? If I were BW I would chuckle a bit and that Foster (A guy that was good enough to play for me) broke Pullen's record.
Stupid post
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May or may not have been said already in here, but if Foster does break Pullen's record, do you think BW will laugh to himself about Pullen's comments when BW was hired? If I were BW I would chuckle a bit and that Foster (A guy that was good enough to play for me) broke Pullen's record.
I seriously doubt it, I don't think Weber is a petulant child
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's from the Grantland article on K-State/Xavier. I could watch this gif for hours...
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/ (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/)
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score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?
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well this is pretty great
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's from the Grantland article on K-State/Xavier. I could watch this gif for hours...
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/ (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/)
great x's and o's ing from Brad Underwood.
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well this is pretty great
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how is he so rough ridin' adorable?
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score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?
Pullen and MF both played 33 games as freshmen. MF scored 513 points in 33 games whereas Pullen scored just 319. If MF plays the same number of games as JP did in his career (135) and keeps this same pace (although it's somewhat easy to assume he'll improve upon his FR numbers) he will reach 2098 points - 34 points short of Pullen's record of 2312. So, for MF to reach 2,313 points for his career, he'll need 15.88 ppg over his next 102 games. This will be fun to track as time goes on. :popcorn:
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Foster will likely get more games because of preseason tourneys every year.
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score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?
Pullen and MF both played 33 games as freshmen. MF scored 513 points in 33 games whereas Pullen scored just 319. If MF plays the same number of games as JP did in his career (135) and keeps this same pace (although it's somewhat easy to assume he'll improve upon his FR numbers) he will reach 2098 points - 34 points short of Pullen's record of 2312. So, for MF to reach 2,313 points for his career, he'll need 15.88 ppg over his next 102 games. This will be fun to track as time goes on. :popcorn:
It would probably help Foster out quite a bit if oscar would start winning tournament games.
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well this is pretty great
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how is he so rough ridin' adorable?
sunny cat is such a complete psychopath
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Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's from the Grantland article on K-State/Xavier. I could watch this gif for hours...
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/ (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/)
And damn, we played so hard back then. :frown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x94lAxGTqHQ
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score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?
Pullen and MF both played 33 games as freshmen. MF scored 513 points in 33 games whereas Pullen scored just 319. If MF plays the same number of games as JP did in his career (135) and keeps this same pace (although it's somewhat easy to assume he'll improve upon his FR numbers) he will reach 2098 points - 34 points short of Pullen's record of 2312. So, for MF to reach 2,313 points for his career, he'll need 15.88 ppg over his next 102 games. This will be fun to track as time goes on. :popcorn:
Mocat sock?
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well this is pretty great
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How do I buy that jersey? I need that jersey for when Im shooting the deep ball at the rec during pick up. And stuff.
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i like how tired denis is in that .gif
also, idk the first thing about bball but i agree w/ michcat that the play and pullen's execution was hbbiq
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score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?
Pullen and MF both played 33 games as freshmen. MF scored 513 points in 33 games whereas Pullen scored just 319. If MF plays the same number of games as JP did in his career (135) and keeps this same pace (although it's somewhat easy to assume he'll improve upon his FR numbers) he will reach 2098 points - 34 points short of Pullen's record of 2312. So, for MF to reach 2,313 points for his career, he'll need 15.88 ppg over his next 102 games. This will be fun to track as time goes on. :popcorn:
Mocat sock?
i got nothing :dunno:
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It's been kind of a slow start this season, but _fan can you tell us how he's trending?
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:impatient:
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Through 7 games Foster has scored 104 points and has played 71% of the minutes available and is scoring 31.5 points per 100 possessions. Last year he scored 477 while playing 73% of the minutes and scored 31.8 points per 100 possessions. K-State is playing at the same pace as last year, about 65 possessions per game.
I would expect Foster's minutes and points to be slightly higher than last year, but I'll be conservative and say he'll end the season playing 75% of the minutes and scoring 32 points per 100. If he doesn't get hurt and plays every game (with a minimum of 31 regular games, 1 Big 12, 1 postseason), he will score 515 points this season. Added to last year's total, he'll be at 991 points, which will put him on pace to score just over 2000, but not enough to surpass Evans or Pullen if he stays all 4 years. However, its likely his minutes and points per 100 will increase if he stays all 4 years, it will be a matter of staying healthy and runs in the postseason that will decide if he breaks the record, but I'd say he's more than on pace to do so at this point in his career.
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Thanks! :thumbs:
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I will bet anyone $100 that Foster breaks the record if he stays for 4 years.
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he won't break the record regardless of how much time he spends shredding nets in the OOD
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He won't because post season
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He won't because post season
This is the truth honestly. That and without solid big guy play it'll be harder to have him wide open for kick outs.
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Foster has been wide open a rough ridin' lot this year. So I don't think that's a thing, dc cat. Post season play is weak. Even Pullen played in a NIT. I bet we make a bigger run in the NIT this year than Pullen did. :D
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Foster has been wide open a rough ridin' lot this year. So I don't think that's a thing, dc cat. Post season play is weak. Even Pullen played in a NIT. I bet we make a bigger run in the NIT this year than Pullen did. :D
Then why are his numbers so average? Is it just his shooting percentage? (keep in mind I went to school when Beasley was there, so averaging under 20 is pretty average to me)
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He is playing lazy so far this year. He doesn't look as energetic or excited as last year. Could be a sophomore slump or it could be that he rough ridin' hates this team since they suck. :dunno:
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He is playing lazy so far this year. He doesn't look as energetic or excited as last year. Could be a sophomore slump or it could be that he rough ridin' hates this team since they suck. :dunno:
Did Pullen have a sophomore slump or get lazy for a season? I remember Rodney doing it, but I can't remember if Pullen did.
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He is playing lazy so far this year. He doesn't look as energetic or excited as last year. Could be a sophomore slump or it could be that he rough ridin' hates this team since they suck. :dunno:
Did Pullen have a sophomore slump or get lazy for a season? I remember Rodney doing it, but I can't remember if Pullen did.
He was average his freshman year. He started to be seen his sophomore year, but that was a NIT year. :frown:
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Foster has been wide open a rough ridin' lot this year. So I don't think that's a thing, dc cat. Post season play is weak. Even Pullen played in a NIT. I bet we make a bigger run in the NIT this year than Pullen did. :D
Then why are his numbers so average? Is it just his shooting percentage? (keep in mind I went to school when Beasley was there, so averaging under 20 is pretty average to me)
Wait, you are saying Foster's scoring numbers are average?
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He is only averaging 14.9 ppg. I'm assuming that ranks him pretty low nationally on the old "best scorers" list.
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He is only averaging 14.9 ppg. I'm assuming that ranks him pretty low nationally on the old "best scorers" list.
You need to look at my points per 100 possession stats to get an accurate look at how well he really scores. Anything over 30 is really good and he's the only freshman in recent memory to score at greater than 30 points per 100 possessions besides Beasley and Walker.
Right now he's at basically the same rate as last year, but if he stays at the same rate (I think it will probably go up to 32-33 points per 100 in Big 12 play) and increases his minutes (I'm sure he'll play over 80% of the minutes available) his scoring average will go up significantly. Keep in mind Pullen's points per 100 by year from FR-SR were 22.8, 26.3, 34.0, and 36.0. IMO Foster's per 100 scoring this year will be similar to Pullen's JR year, and if he stays all four years he'll be scoring above 35 points per 100 his JR and SR seasons.
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I don't think Foster is lazy at all. Pretty stupid to say he is IMO.
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Stop following me around, Chings.
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Wait, I missed wacky saying Foster is lazy.
He had one of the top 3 games of his career against Purdue and was really good against Arizona. Granted, he had one of the worst games of his career against LBSU and was pretty bad against Pitt. Overall he's still been really good and is performing at the same level as last year (in per 100s), so there has been no drop off.
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I could have missed calculated my assessment. I'm human.
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I could have missed calculated my assessment. I'm human.
Okay.
In general I'm just saying if you are going to go so far to say a player is playing lazy or average back it up.
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Yeah, I think i'm too emotional watching games. When we're getting our asses kicked, I instantly think this about our players. I have some issues. I'm also a little tuckish. :frown:
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Yeah, I think i'm too emotional watching games. When we're getting our asses kicked, I instantly think this about our players. I have some issues. I'm also a little tuckish. :frown:
A little? :D
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Yeah, I think i'm too emotional watching games. When we're getting our asses kicked, I instantly think this about our players. I have some issues. I'm also a little tuckish. :frown:
A little? :D
:)
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odds he stays all four? i put it at 70%. i think he could fred peete us if this season doesn't go well.
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odds he stays all four? i put it at 70%. i think he could fred peete us if this season doesn't go well.
God, I hope not. He could probably transfer to Duke tho. :frown:
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odds he stays all four? i put it at 70%. i think he could fred peete us if this season doesn't go well.
I am secretly nervous that he will have too good of a season and jet to the NBA and so desire that he struggle enough that he realizes the benefit of four years of college ball.
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DC Cat, you don't have to worry about the NBA. He has no position there unless he was a PG and he's not that. He's Pullen 2.0. Relax. Transferring is the only thing we have to worry about. :frown:
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He could be a PG if he had a coach that let him play PG
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DC Cat, you don't have to worry about the NBA. He has no position there unless he was a PG and he's not that. He's Pullen 2.0. Relax. Transferring is the only thing we have to worry about. :frown:
If he is the star and consistently has decent to ok seasons. . .why would he transfer?
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DC Cat, you don't have to worry about the NBA. He has no position there unless he was a PG and he's not that. He's Pullen 2.0. Relax. Transferring is the only thing we have to worry about. :frown:
If he is the star and consistently has decent to ok seasons. . .why would he transfer?
Why did Angel transfer?
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DC Cat, you don't have to worry about the NBA. He has no position there unless he was a PG and he's not that. He's Pullen 2.0. Relax. Transferring is the only thing we have to worry about. :frown:
If he is the star and consistently has decent to ok seasons. . .why would he transfer?
Why did Angel transfer?
Because he blew it against LaSalle? :dunno:
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DC Cat, you don't have to worry about the NBA. He has no position there unless he was a PG and he's not that. He's Pullen 2.0. Relax. Transferring is the only thing we have to worry about. :frown:
If he is the star and consistently has decent to ok seasons. . .why would he transfer?
Why did Angel transfer?
I don't think the Angel transfer applies here, but the Peete one does. I think Foster likes it here and likes the coaches, but if he knows he needs to play some PG to get a chance at the NBA and he doesn't get that here, he may decide to leave. I don't think he will, but you never know.
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Do people think that stud pre-NBA SGs can't/don't transition to PG in the NBA? I'm not going to look for examples, but that seems incorrect.
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Do people think that stud pre-NBA SGs can't/don't transition to PG in the NBA? I'm not going to look for examples, but that seems incorrect.
A tale as old as time, chum1. Steph Curry, maybe some of these idiots have heard of him, and about a billion other guys.
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This blog needs more WackyCat08-yard dog head to head battles
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No. He will not.
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No. He will not.
LOL. 23.
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I don't Foster is near the 5 heart guy compared to Pullen. Forgive my tuckishness
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I don't Foster is near the 5 heart guy compared to Pullen. Forgive my tuckishness
No, will not forgive
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Foster is a five heart guy. Jake was like five million hearts tho
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He is playing lazy so far this year. He doesn't look as energetic or excited as last year. Could be a sophomore slump or it could be that he rough ridin' hates this team since they suck. :dunno:
Did Pullen have a sophomore slump or get lazy for a season? I remember Rodney doing it, but I can't remember if Pullen did.
:rolleyes: ugh, yarddog why are you so gross?
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Do people think that stud pre-NBA SGs can't/don't transition to PG in the NBA? I'm not going to look for examples, but that seems incorrect.
A tale as old as time, chum1. Steph Curry, maybe some of these idiots have heard of him, and about a billion other guys.
Played point guard his senior year.
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Do people think that stud pre-NBA SGs can't/don't transition to PG in the NBA? I'm not going to look for examples, but that seems incorrect.
A tale as old as time, chum1. Steph Curry, maybe some of these idiots have heard of him, and about a billion other guys.
Played point guard his senior year.
:nono:
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He is playing lazy so far this year. He doesn't look as energetic or excited as last year. Could be a sophomore slump or it could be that he rough ridin' hates this team since they suck. :dunno:
Did Pullen have a sophomore slump or get lazy for a season? I remember Rodney doing it, but I can't remember if Pullen did.
:rolleyes: ugh, yarddog why are you so gross?
In response to my comment. . I am starting to think maybe I am seeing laziness where it is actually lack of player development? :dunno:
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how on earth did you decide foster is lacking development
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Do people think that stud pre-NBA SGs can't/don't transition to PG in the NBA? I'm not going to look for examples, but that seems incorrect.
A tale as old as time, chum1. Steph Curry, maybe some of these idiots have heard of him, and about a billion other guys.
Played point guard his senior year.
Yeah, in the NBA. Boom roasted, dummy. You see because he went pro after his junior year so his senior year was spent as a PG in the NBA. #lollerskates
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how on earth did you decide foster is lacking development
I just think back to Jamar Samuels, and Rodney's Senior year. . .I remember being jazzed we were good but confused as to why our players weren't getting better. I don't know what Foster's ceiling is, but other players around him have seemed to regress (Westicles, Nino) or have plateaued (Gipson) and it is easy to point to their development.
With that big fancy new center for basketball development by the Fred these kids should be improving by leaps and bounds. Perhaps it is that everyone around Foster is looking less capable which makes him seem so as well.
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how on earth did you decide foster is lacking development
I just think back to Jamar Samuels, and Rodney's Senior year. . .I remember being jazzed we were good but confused as to why our players weren't getting better. I don't know what Foster's ceiling is, but other players around him have seemed to regress (Westicles, Nino) or have plateaued (Gipson) and it is easy to point to their development.
With that big fancy new center for basketball development by the Fred these kids should be improving by leaps and bounds. Perhaps it is that everyone around Foster is looking less capable which makes him seem so as well.
I'm done interacting w/ you, FWIW
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foster will be relied on to score a lot more in big 12 play, imo. id imagine he and gip will take a lot more shots.
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how on earth did you decide foster is lacking development
I just think back to Jamar Samuels, and Rodney's Senior year. . .I remember being jazzed we were good but confused as to why our players weren't getting better. I don't know what Foster's ceiling is, but other players around him have seemed to regress (Westicles, Nino) or have plateaued (Gipson) and it is easy to point to their development.
With that big fancy new center for basketball development by the Fred these kids should be improving by leaps and bounds. Perhaps it is that everyone around Foster is looking less capable which makes him seem so as well.
I'm done interacting w/ you, FWIW
I'd be curious what your opinion was, I'm just spitballing. I don't enjoy seeing the cats look bad. Not one bit. But I can't quite put my finger on why they have been struggling.
If we were to compare Foster and Pullen I think it is only fair to compare the players around them. Foster will achieve more individually, but if the players don't step it up (which they still might as the season is young) he won't win nearly as many games as Pullen did.
I come on this site to talk things out and see where my opinions fall on the possibility scale because I know the majority of folks here care as much about the cats as I do. Unfortunately sometimes that means enduring intolerant people who refuse to talk to me. #thestruggleisreal
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how on earth did you decide foster is lacking development
I just think back to Jamar Samuels, and Rodney's Senior year. . .I remember being jazzed we were good but confused as to why our players weren't getting better. I don't know what Foster's ceiling is, but other players around him have seemed to regress (Westicles, Nino) or have plateaued (Gipson) and it is easy to point to their development.
With that big fancy new center for basketball development by the Fred these kids should be improving by leaps and bounds. Perhaps it is that everyone around Foster is looking less capable which makes him seem so as well.
I'm done interacting w/ you, FWIW
I'd be curious what your opinion was, I'm just spitballing. I don't enjoy seeing the cats look bad. Not one bit. But I can't quite put my finger on why they have been struggling.
If we were to compare Foster and Pullen I think it is only fair to compare the players around them. Foster will achieve more individually, but if the players don't step it up (which they still might as the season is young) he won't win nearly as many games as Pullen did.
I come on this site to talk things out and see where my opinions fall on the possibility scale because I know the majority of folks here care as much about the cats as I do. Unfortunately sometimes that means enduring intolerant people who refuse to talk to me. #thestruggleisreal
Amen brother.
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dccat, i don't think it is fair that michigancat refuses to talk to you.
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Foster playing a little PG there?
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dccat, i don't think it is fair that michigancat refuses to talk to you.
it's just so tedious
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dccat, i don't think it is fair that michigancat refuses to talk to you.
Interacting with yard dog (on bbs) can be exhausting sometimes
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I think some of you aren't skilled enough to handle yardie's Enhanced BBS techniques.
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I think some of you aren't skilled enough to handle yardie's Enhanced BBS techniques.
I appreciate your support. I remember meeting lib in person one night in Aggieville and he told me I was doing just fine and just needed to roll with the punches better. I took his advice and here I am. :dunno:
I want our team to be good. I am curious if anyone ITK could explain to me why our shooters are missing so badly. Is it mental? Or is there a science to their preparation?
If I was oscar I would just have the guys run for hours and then shoot for hours. The offense obviously isn't working, so just teach them to screen and roll and call it good. Can we run a quadruple screen and then dish it to Foster as our offense? That would work and make this a more interesting page. . .since in the real world it's becoming obvious that he will not break Pullen's scoring record.
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I don't know what the stats are if Foster were to actually stay all 4 years if he'd break Pullen's record, but right now, I don't want him too. I just can't let my best and favorite player lose his title to Foster. I used to want that/was ok with it, but now, given how crappy the team is, and how much of a entitled player Foster has becomes, I want Pullen to keep the record.
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Where is all of this "Foster is entitled/lazy/selfish" coming from? It this all just based on the stuff a third rate sports talk radio guy said?
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yeah, shut up foster hating idiots
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Where is all of this "Foster is entitled/lazy/selfish" coming from? It this all just based on the stuff a third rate sports talk radio guy said?
during games, he chews his gum very slowly and with his mouth open. with an attitude like that, this team is going nowhere.
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I can't remember who said it, nor in which thread, but "if you like winning, then you should like players like Wes and Foster."
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Where is all of this "Foster is entitled/lazy/selfish" coming from? It this all just based on the stuff a third rate sports talk radio guy said?
during games, he chews his gum very slowly and with his mouth open. with an attitude like that, this team is going nowhere.
Oh God, has he been seen smiling on the bench too?
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if he's smiling on the bench, you can bet it's because he doesn't care about the success of this team and is only concerned about the dollars he will collect during his rookie year in the euroleagues.
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:lol:
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I think some of you aren't skilled enough to handle yardie's Enhanced BBS techniques.
I appreciate your support. I remember meeting lib in person one night in Aggieville and he told me I was doing just fine and just needed to roll with the punches better. I took his advice and here I am. :dunno:
I want our team to be good. I am curious if anyone ITK could explain to me why our shooters are missing so badly. Is it mental? Or is there a science to their preparation?
If I was oscar I would just have the guys run for hours and then shoot for hours. The offense obviously isn't working, so just teach them to screen and roll and call it good. Can we run a quadruple screen and then dish it to Foster as our offense? That would work and make this a more interesting page. . .since in the real world it's becoming obvious that he will not break Pullen's scoring record.
IS THERE A SCIENCE TO THEIR PREPARATION!?!?!?!?
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Pollen knew how to tear the heart out of the other team when we got them down. A killer - something Foster has to learn. I am more interested in who will have more total wins for their career.
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Pollen knew how to tear the heart out of the other team when we got them down. A killer - something Foster has to learn. I am more interested in who will have more total wins for their career.
:dubious: You must have really loved him.
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Total wins is rough ridin' stupid too. We know it's going to be Pullen. Lots of different things come into play with that number too. Like teammates, coach, etc.
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If Foster beats Pullen in total wins at this point, he will have to take us to a final 4.
He should break Pullen's scoring record though because the rest of the team sucks and this season, he should just Kobe this bitch.
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If Foster beats Pullen in total wins at this point, he will have to take us to a final 4.
He should break Pullen's scoring record though because the rest of the team sucks and this season, he should just Kobe this bitch.
i would rather watch foster chuck up 25 threes a game than whatevever lets jevon touch it for 15 seconds offense thing weve got going right now.
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I agree. Marcus Foster =Kobe for the rest of this season. eff it
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Wacky, thanks for pointing out my dimmwitt spelling prowess. I loved Pullen, but I hate spell check.
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Wacky, thanks for pointing out my dimmwitt spelling prowess. I loved Pullen, but I hate spell check.
Eye no write?
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I would hate it beyond belief if he breaks Pullen's record at this point. He isn't half the player Jake was.
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Where is all of this "Foster is entitled/lazy/selfish" coming from? It this all just based on the stuff a third rate sports talk radio guy said?
Calling a player lazy is a long time crutch of the dumb/lazy observer. Calling someone lazy is much easier than saying "I don't know why player x isn't meeting my unrealistic expectations based on little knowledge of what I'm seeing."
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Where is all of this "Foster is entitled/lazy/selfish" coming from? It this all just based on the stuff a third rate sports talk radio guy said?
Calling a player lazy is a long time crutch of the dumb/lazy observer. Calling someone lazy is much easier than saying "I don't know why player x isn't meeting my unrealistic expectations based on little knowledge of what I'm seeing."
that and the fact that there is a group of people who would rather blame the players than the coaches. like, i support weber so these players must just be lazy and uncoachable.
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I get everyone's dislike of Foster's gum chewing, but it's like none of the Jake Thugullen apologists remember his GANG SIGNS!
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I remember him doing the sticking his tongue out while keeping it in his bottom lip thing. Adorable.
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Maybe I haven't seen enough games, but Foster is the lone bright spot on this team. Why on earth would people blame the one person who plays well?
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Maybe I haven't seen enough games, but Foster is the lone bright spot on this team. Why on earth would people blame the one person who plays well?
there's enough blame to go around.
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Nope. He's going to transfer.
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This sucks.
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LOL remember this thread?
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LOL remember this thread?
I reread the last few pages and laughed the whole time. It all seems so prophetic.
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16 pages :gocho:
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This thread isn't over. (given Marcus stays)
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:excited:
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If he stays the next 2 years, he will certainly finish in the Top 5. Just maintain what he did in his first two seasons (and avoid suspensions) and he'll be in the Top 3. Get better and approach scoring 18-19 PPG (which he's very capable of) and he has a legit shot to break it. Even with this year's struggles its not going to take some impossible effort to get there.
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If he stays the next 2 years, he will certainly finish in the Top 5. Just maintain what he did in his first two seasons (and avoid suspensions) and he'll be in the Top 3. Get better and approach scoring 18-19 PPG (which he's very capable of) and he has a legit shot to break it. Even with this year's struggles its not going to take some impossible effort to get there.
Pace could be the deciding factor.
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If he stays the next 2 years, he will certainly finish in the Top 5. Just maintain what he did in his first two seasons (and avoid suspensions) and he'll be in the Top 3. Get better and approach scoring 18-19 PPG (which he's very capable of) and he has a legit shot to break it. Even with this year's struggles its not going to take some impossible effort to get there.
Pace could be the deciding factor.
Hopefully the end of this season proved to Weber that a faster pace is good for our team.
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Nope. :bawl:
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this isn't for getting lit on the beach is it?
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:bang:
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and EMAW nation thought he was better than Wiggins.... :ROFL:
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and EMAW nation thought he was better than Wiggins.... :ROFL:
Not sure how the current situation proves he isn't? :dunno:
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shut up yard dog don't bring him back
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Guys. This.