Will Foster break Pullen's scoring title?

[michigancat]

For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.

You really think the dress code had more of an impact?

Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.

I'm sure it had a positive impact, I just think it pales in comparison to the one-and-done rule. (And I realize the one-and-done rule wasn't necessarily designed as a marketing tool.)

I'll ask you the same question I asked cns; do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass when players from their university get drafted? K-State is the perfect example because we aren't a program that would get one and done players and we had 2 at once and we didn't convert any college fans to NBA consumers. You think schools like KU, UK, and UNC are pumping out NBA fans that would make any discernable impact on the league's bottom line? How many people do you think are walking around Kentucky in Pelicans jerseys?

Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?

[sys]

re. foster.  he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.

oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.

[kso_FAN]

re. foster.  he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.

oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.

True. SR Cartier and SR Pullen were the two other non-Beasley players to have at least 30% %shots going back to 03, but I'd guess he'll be at least 27% %shots the rest of his career and if he does that he'll top this year's 15 PPG.

[MakeItRain]

For this conversation we'll just suspend the fact that the NBAPA selected the one-and-done rule and act like it was a marketing edict from the league office. I'd say that Stern's rule on bench and post game dress is #1. Their smart tv deal as second, and I'd list the league's modern social media policies along with aggressive & witty advertising marketing as third.

You really think the dress code had more of an impact?

Considering the timing yes, after the malice at the palace and A.I. the league had a serious perception issue. The dress code detracted from the thug culture that many felt infiltrated the league. I'd also add that the league strengthening the rules and lengthening the suspensions for fighting also helped. I've heard Stephen A. Smith and Bomani Jones echo similar sentiments about the dress code. You're never wrong though so I'm sure you'll continue to argue that the dress code is insignificant to its current perception.

I'm sure it had a positive impact, I just think it pales in comparison to the one-and-done rule. (And I realize the one-and-done rule wasn't necessarily designed as a marketing tool.)

I'll ask you the same question I asked cns; do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass when players from their university get drafted? K-State is the perfect example because we aren't a program that would get one and done players and we had 2 at once and we didn't convert any college fans to NBA consumers. You think schools like KU, UK, and UNC are pumping out NBA fans that would make any discernable impact on the league's bottom line? How many people do you think are walking around Kentucky in Pelicans jerseys?

Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?

I know the dress code has made the NBA more appealing to Madison Avenue and middle America. I'm certain I wouldn't be seeing some dude who makes suits, LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Russell Westbrook on Extra without the dress code. What new exposure is the league getting from the one & done rule?

[MakeItRain]

re. foster.  he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.

oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.

great point

[TownieCat]

Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?

I'm starting to think that michigancat doesn't know what marketing is.

[michigancat]

Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?

I'm starting to think that michigancat doesn't know what marketing is.

Hey dumbshit, that was MiR's requirement for quality marketing, not mine.

[Skipper44]

re. foster.  he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.

oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.

I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5).  Foster was at a 25.6 this season.  All stats in this post are conference only.

[michigancat]

I know the dress code has made the NBA more appealing to Madison Avenue and middle America. I'm certain I wouldn't be seeing some dude who makes suits, LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Russell Westbrook on Extra without the dress code. What new exposure is the league getting from the one & done rule?

I agree that it can definitely have a positive impact, (although I disagree Wade, James, and Westbrook wouldn't be on "Extra" without it - those guys are megastars that would have dressed sharply with or without the dress code).

I've already explained the impact of the one-and-done rule - more people absolutely watch games, attend games, and follow the NBA because of players that went to their college. I agree it isn't creating hardcore fans, but it is creating casual fans.

[TownieCat]

Do you know a bunch of people buying jerseys and league pass because of the dress code?

I'm starting to think that michigancat doesn't know what marketing is.

Hey dumbshit, that was MiR's requirement for quality marketing, not mine.

Marketing is changing or creating a person's perception of a product. The dress code had a major impact on how casual fans perceive NBA players. How is this concept so hard to understand?

I bet that the casual fan has no idea where Durant, Wall, or Kyrie played one year of college.

[kso_FAN]

re. foster.  he's probably never going to play as many minutes with players that wanted to shoot so little (thomas, spradling & iwu) as he did this year.

oth, he'll probably figure out that he needs to shoot more 3s and fewer 2s in future years.

I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5).  Foster was at a 25.6 this season.  All stats in this post are conference only.

I don't think we'll see that jump. Foster has shown that he can get to the rim, but he won't be the driver that Pullen was IMO.

As sys said, if anything he needs to shoot more 3s. So far this year 48.7% of Foster's shots are 3s and he's shooting .397. On 2s he's only shooting .437. In Big 12 play, 47.4% of his shots were 3s and he made .432 while making .447 on 2s. Its clear that oscar makes it a point to get Foster shots early and to get him shots during the game. If anything, I wish we'd run a few more sets to get him shots. I also think he's better at creating his own shots (he's pretty good hitting jumpers off ball screens) which is something that Rodney wasn't very good at.

[michigancat]

Marketing is changing or creating a person's perception of a product. The dress code had a major impact on how casual fans perceive NBA players. How is this concept so hard to understand?

I understand what marketing is. I just disagree that the dress code has had a major impact on casual fans' perceptions. Do you have any evidence of this? Even anecdotal?

[sys]

I'd guess he'll be at least 27% %shots the rest of his career.

absolutely.  i'd hope considerably higher than that (and more of them 3s).

[sys]

I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5).  Foster was at a 25.6 this season.  All stats in this post are conference only.

i hope he realizes that any idiot can drive, but that hardly anyone can shoot like him.

[michigancat]

I expect his FTR to improve and I would love to see Foster have a jump next season like Jake did from his Soph (26.4) to Jr year (54.5).  Foster was at a 25.6 this season.  All stats in this post are conference only.

i hope he realizes that any idiot can drive, but that hardly anyone can shoot like him.

Will his coach realize this?

[SdK]

May or may not have been said already in here, but if Foster does break Pullen's record, do you think BW will laugh to himself about Pullen's comments when BW was hired? If I were BW I would chuckle a bit and that Foster (A guy that was good enough to play for me) broke Pullen's record.

[scottwildcat]

May or may not have been said already in here, but if Foster does break Pullen's record, do you think BW will laugh to himself about Pullen's comments when BW was hired? If I were BW I would chuckle a bit and that Foster (A guy that was good enough to play for me) broke Pullen's record.

Stupid post

[MakeItRain]

May or may not have been said already in here, but if Foster does break Pullen's record, do you think BW will laugh to himself about Pullen's comments when BW was hired? If I were BW I would chuckle a bit and that Foster (A guy that was good enough to play for me) broke Pullen's record.

I seriously doubt it, I don't think Weber is a petulant child

[TownieCat]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's from the Grantland article on K-State/Xavier. I could watch this gif for hours...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/

[60scat]

score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?

[pissclams]

well this is pretty great

[michigancat]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's from the Grantland article on K-State/Xavier. I could watch this gif for hours...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/digging-in-the-tournament-crates-xavier-kansas-state-the-sweet-16-dream-2010/

great x's and o's ing from Brad Underwood.

[asava]

well this is pretty great

how is he so rough ridin' adorable?

[SPEmaw]

score this past year and how many does he need to average to beat Pullen for career points?

Pullen and MF both played 33 games as freshmen. MF scored 513 points in 33 games whereas Pullen scored just 319. If MF plays the same number of games as JP did in his career (135) and keeps this same pace (although it's somewhat easy to assume he'll improve upon his FR numbers) he will reach 2098 points - 34 points short of Pullen's record of 2312. So, for MF to reach 2,313 points for his career, he'll need 15.88 ppg over his next 102 games. This will be fun to track as time goes on. 

[michigancat]

Foster will likely get more games because of preseason tourneys every year.