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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on March 02, 2013, 09:54:26 PM
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Down to 'Gruds & B Mack, right? KU will get it if we tie, but man, what a ride.
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tough for gruds with angel splitting the vote
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Down to 'Gruds & B Mack, right? KU will get it if we tie, but man, what a ride.
B mac has been totally absent for 4-5 games. eff him
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tough for gruds with angel splitting the vote
Co-POY's !!!!
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I'd probably vote Smart.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
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my nickname for macgruder is "$mac money$"
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Gruds isn't even the MVP of his own team.
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Gruds isn't even the MVP of his own team.
I don't think that is true.
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Gruds isn't even the MVP of his own team.
I don't think that is true.
Angel is much more valuable, imo.
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McLemore or Smart would be my guess. Withey maybe but I think people will vote for players that score more. Angel will be second team all big 12. He isn't getting noticed enough for first team. ISU/OU/Baylor don't deserve any first teamers but will probably get one.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Oh Beems. The fear you have of K-State winning the conference is seeping through your pores. It's quite pungent.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Oh Beems. The fear you have of K-State winning the conference is seeping through your pores. It's quite pungent.
Well congrats on the Super Bowl win vs. Baylor, but I'm actually #TeamBruce. I hope oscar coaches K-State for the next 20+ years.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
Yeah, this season is killing me... 25-4 overall, projected 1-seed, in line for a 9th straight Big 12 title, swept little bro on the way to 46-3. It's been a rough one.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jokes on you if you think McClebankshot is going to be Big 12POY. I'd also be surprised if KU won at Baylor considering you barely squeaked by a shitty ISU team.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jokes on you if you think McClebankshot is going to be Big 12POY. I'd also be surprised if KU won at Baylor considering you barely squeaked by a shitty ISU team.
Didn't Iowa State beat K-State?
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Lol. K-State is gonna sweep Championships in both sports, KU Football hasn't won a conference game in 20 years, You lost too the worst team in the country (TCU) and it's going to cost you the title too big bro. :lol:
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jokes on you if you think McClebankshot is going to be Big 12POY. I'd also be surprised if KU won at Baylor considering you barely squeaked by a shitty ISU team.
Didn't Iowa State beat K-State?
Didn't TCU beat KU ?
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jokes on you if you think McClebankshot is going to be Big 12POY. I'd also be surprised if KU won at Baylor considering you barely squeaked by a shitty ISU team.
Didn't Iowa State beat K-State?
Didn't TCU beat KU ?
Congrats on your biggest win of the season.
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Lol. K-State is gonna sweep Championships in both sports, KU Football hasn't won a conference game in 20 years, You lost too the worst team in the country (TCU) and it's going to cost you the title too big bro. :lol:
Speaking of sweeps... 46-3 just called, and it wanted me to congratulate you on the TCU win.
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It's fun when sunshine beems provokes the JV.
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:lol: Beems is on full meltdown mode today. :lol:
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:lol: Beems is on full meltdown mode today. :lol:
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Weird day to meltdown
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Lol. K-State is gonna sweep Championships in both sports, KU Football hasn't won a conference game in 20 years, You lost too the worst team in the country (TCU) and it's going to cost you the title too big bro. :lol:
Speaking of sweeps... 46-3 just called, and it wanted me to congratulate you on the TCU win.
Typical KU fans. Work with them every day. They are all nicey and comfortable with their 8 yr streak bullshit, but when their in-state foe now infringes on their territory, pisses 'm off.
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"Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, Beems is on full meltdown mode!"
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Beems is popping collars today. You all just need to deal with it.
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you guys are all just butthurt.
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I wish I coulda been in the same room as beems during that McGruder 3. I bet he dropped kicked a puppy.
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I wish I coulda been in the same room as beems during that McGruder 3. I bet he dropped kicked a puppy.
I didn't watch the game, and like I've said, I'm #TeamBruce. I'd love nothing more than for K-State fans to go full blown #TeamBruce and keep the guy for another 20+ years. He will run your program into the ground just like he did at Illinois.
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beems is right, as usual. mclemore for big 12 poy, art for cats poy.
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McLemore is amazing, but KU would be better if they had Smart instead of McLemore, IMO.
But, that's mostly because they need a point play maker more...though EJ and Thorpe have been improving a bunch.
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I wish I coulda been in the same room as beems during that McGruder 3. I bet he dropped kicked a puppy.
I didn't watch the game, and like I've said, I'm #TeamBruce. I'd love nothing more than for K-State fans to go full blown #TeamBruce and keep the guy for another 20+ years. He will run your program into the ground just like he did at Illinois.
It won't take Weber 20 years Beems. I give it 3. :sad:
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I wish I coulda been in the same room as beems during that McGruder 3. I bet he dropped kicked a puppy.
I didn't watch the game, and like I've said, I'm #TeamBruce. I'd love nothing more than for K-State fans to go full blown #TeamBruce and keep the guy for another 20+ years. He will run your program into the ground just like he did at Illinois.
why do you want our program to be run into the ground? what a rough ridin' loser
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I wish I coulda been in the same room as beems during that McGruder 3. I bet he dropped kicked a puppy.
I didn't watch the game, and like I've said, I'm #TeamBruce. I'd love nothing more than for K-State fans to go full blown #TeamBruce and keep the guy for another 20+ years. He will run your program into the ground just like he did at Illinois.
why do you want our program to be run into the ground? what a rough ridin' loser
Hey, you guys are the ones who hired oscar. Not me.
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I really think he learned from his mistakes guys. I think we might be alright!
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I really think he learned from his mistakes guys. I think we might be alright!
This is exactly what he did at Illinois.
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I really think he learned from his mistakes guys. I think we might be alright!
This is exactly what he did at Illinois.
That was his first go around at a big time program. What's to say he doesn't just turn out to be a complete Bad Ass?
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Validation levels getting dangerously high :ohno:
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I really think he learned from his mistakes guys. I think we might be alright!
This is exactly what he did at Illinois.
That was his first go around at a big time program. What's to say he doesn't just turn out to be a complete Bad Ass?
Take a look at his recruiting class. Are any of those players in the Rivals top 150?
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I really think he learned from his mistakes guys. I think we might be alright!
This is exactly what he did at Illinois.
That was his first go around at a big time program. What's to say he doesn't just turn out to be a complete Bad Ass?
Take a look at his recruiting class. Are any of those players in the Rivals top 150?
I mean, honestly how many times does k-state sign one anyway? Mcgruder wasn't one. I'm not sure if Angel was or not
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Validation levels getting dangerously high :ohno:
Yeah, he is approaching all time highs.
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Nope he wasn't, and nobody on our team right now is. We are at the top of the Big 12, so suck it Beems
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I really think he learned from his mistakes guys. I think we might be alright!
This is exactly what he did at Illinois.
That was his first go around at a big time program. What's to say he doesn't just turn out to be a complete Bad Ass?
Take a look at his recruiting class. Are any of those players in the Rivals top 150?
I mean, honestly how many times does k-state sign one anyway? Mcgruder wasn't one. I'm not sure if Angel was or not
:facepalm:
McGruder was 4-star top 100 (#84 nationally).
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Alright, that's only one player on our team that was. I didn't notice he was top 100. Still at the top of the Big 12
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Nope he wasn't, and nobody on our team right now is. We are at the top of the Big 12, so suck it Beems
Wrong again. Gipson was top 150. So was Southwell. Rodriguez had offers to Louisville, NC State, and Miami (FL) and was recruited nationally. Nino Williams was a 4-star. Maybe do some research on your own team next time.
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McLemore or Smart IMO although I think everyone knows that Withey, with his unlimited fouls, is the real reason for success on KU. He completely shuts down opponents inside game. McGruder should be in the conversation but Angel is probably the MVP of the team this year.
Next year, Angel will be an early favorite for Big XII POTY.
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Nope he wasn't, and nobody on our team right now is. We are at the top of the Big 12, so suck it Beems
Wrong again. Gipson was top 150. So was Southwell. Rodriguez had offers to Louisville, NC State, and Miami (FL) and was recruited nationally. Nino Williams was a 4-star. Maybe do some research on your own team next time.
Dang Beems. What did Gipson have for breakfast this morning? Don't look now but your obsession is showing.
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Nope he wasn't, and nobody on our team right now is. We are at the top of the Big 12, so suck it Beems
Wrong again. Gipson was top 150. So was Southwell. Rodriguez had offers to Louisville, NC State, and Miami (FL) and was recruited nationally. Nino Williams was a 4-star. Maybe do some research on your own team next time.
Dang Beems. What did Gipson have for breakfast this morning? Don't look now but your obsession is showing.
Huh? All you have to do is go to Rivals.com and look at the commitment lists for K-State.
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I can't believe you don't have anything better to do today, Beems. There's a MudFest in Portland today. You should check it out: Mud Fest for lovers of cars and dirt
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/03/mud_fest_for_lovers_of_cars_an.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/03/mud_fest_for_lovers_of_cars_an.html)
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1st team - Smart, McClemore, Withey, McGruds, Jackson
2nd team - Angel, Osby, Brown, Ejim, Clyburn
POY - Rod (if K-State shares) or McClemore (if KU outrights).
COY- oscar.
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I can't believe you don't have anything better to do today, Beems. There's a MudFest in Portland today. You should check it out: Mud Fest for lovers of cars and dirt
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/03/mud_fest_for_lovers_of_cars_an.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/03/mud_fest_for_lovers_of_cars_an.html)
I can't believe you're so concerned with my personal life. FWIW, I saw Toro y Moi on Thursday night (amazing show), so it's been a long weekend. Today's a great day to just kick back and troll some butthurt K-State fans.
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1st team - Smart, McClemore, Withey, McGruds, Jackson
2nd team - Angel, Osby, Brown, Ejim, Clyburn
POY - Rod (if K-State shares) or McClemore (if KU outrights).
COY- oscar.
No way Rod is Big 12 POY. Travis Ford will be COY if Oklahoma State wins in Stillwater.
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1st team - Smart, McClemore, Withey, McGruds, Jackson
2nd team - Angel, Osby, Brown, Ejim, Clyburn
POY - Rod (if K-State shares) or McClemore (if KU outrights).
COY- oscar.
No way Rod is Big 12 POY. Travis Ford will be COY if Oklahoma State wins in Stillwater.
Ford is likely to lose in Ames. oscar has COY locked unless the Cats lose to TCU.
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I didn't read past the first page but good god :flush:
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I can't believe you don't have anything better to do today, Beems. There's a MudFest in Portland today. You should check it out: Mud Fest for lovers of cars and dirt
http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/03/mud_fest_for_lovers_of_cars_an.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/03/mud_fest_for_lovers_of_cars_an.html)
I can't believe you're so concerned with my personal life. FWIW, I saw Toro y Moi on Thursday night (amazing show), so it's been a long weekend. Today's a great day to just kick back and troll some butthurt K-State fans.
Didn't read the previous pages but why are we butthurt? :dunno:
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/_/id/8/big-12-conference (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/_/id/8/big-12-conference)
Offensive Leaders
POINTS PPG
1. Pierre Jackson, BAY 19.0
2. Ben McLemore, KU 16.6
3. Markel Brown, OKST 15.7
4. Romero Osby, OKLA 15.2
5. Rodney McGruder, KSU 14.9
ASSISTS APG
1. Pierre Jackson, BAY 6.4
2. Korie Lucious, ISU 5.6
3. Angel Rodriguez, KSU 5.3
4. Elijah Johnson, KU 4.7
5. Javan Felix, TEX 4.7
FIELD GOAL % FG%
1. Travis Releford, KU .590
2. Cory Jefferson, BAY .581
3. Jeff Withey, KU .566
4. Jordan Tolbert, TTU .541
5. Kevin Young, KU .537
Defensive Leaders
REBOUNDS RPG
1. Melvin Ejim, ISU 9.4
2. Isaiah Austin, BAY 9.0
3. Jeff Withey, KU 8.6
4. Cory Jefferson, BAY 8.3
5. Will Clyburn, ISU 7.1
BLOCKS BPG
1. Jeff Withey, KU 4.0
2. Jordan Henriquez, KSU 2.0
3. Cory Jefferson, BAY 1.9
4. Cameron Ridley, TEX 1.6
5. Isaiah Austin, BAY 1.6
STEALS STPG
1. Marcus Smart, OKST 2.9
2. Josh Gray, TTU 2.1
3. A.J. Walton, BAY 1.8
4. Pierre Jackson, BAY 1.5
5. Angel Rodriguez, KSU 1.5
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1st team - Smart, McClemore, Withey, McGruds, Jackson
2nd team - Angel, Osby, Brown, Ejim, Clyburn
POY - Rod (if K-State shares) or McClemore (if KU outrights).
COY- oscar.
No way Rod is Big 12 POY. Travis Ford will be COY if Oklahoma State wins in Stillwater.
Ford is likely to lose in Ames. oscar has COY locked unless the Cats lose to TCU.
Good. Hopefully COY will buy him another 5-10 years.
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Good form Ben but numbers don't always prove how "valuable" someone is
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
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It's not like Beems to get trolled this hard.
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Good form Ben but numbers don't always prove how "valuable" someone is
True, which is why I think Angel is more valuable than Rod. If we're basing Big 12 POY on the most valuable player, then it's gotta be Jeff Withey. He's averaging 13.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, and 4.0 bpg while shooting over 56% and over 70% from the free throw line. There's no one else in the conference that can match him defensively (and yes, he is excellent defensively despite the butthurt K-State myth that he gets away with a lot of fouls).
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
Yeah, kinda sad what has happened to this place since wackycat/fanning and the rest of his socks took over.
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Good form Ben but numbers don't always prove how "valuable" someone is
True, which is why I think Angel is more valuable than Rod. If we're basing Big 12 POY on the most valuable player, then it's gotta be Jeff Withey. He's averaging 13.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, and 4.0 bpg while shooting over 56% and over 70% from the free throw line. There's no one else in the conference that can match him defensively (and yes, he is excellent defensively despite the butthurt K-State myth that he gets away with a lot of fouls).nope
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Good form Ben but numbers don't always prove how "valuable" someone is
True, which is why I think Angel is more valuable than Rod. If we're basing Big 12 POY on the most valuable player, then it's gotta be Jeff Withey. He's averaging 13.6 ppg, 8.6 rpg, and 4.0 bpg while shooting over 56% and over 70% from the free throw line. There's no one else in the conference that can match him defensively (and yes, he is excellent defensively despite the butthurt K-State myth that he gets away with a lot of fouls).
I don't disagree with any of that, but McLemore gets the attention. And for us, Rod gets the attention. And for OSU, Smart gets it.
Either way, its probably one of those 3.
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If we're basing Big 12 POY on the most valuable player, then it's gotta be Jeff Withey.
i agree. if we're choosing who the most important player is, i'd prolly go withey, art, smart. my earlier post was based on predicting who would actually be chosen big 12 poy, not who should be.
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It's not like Beems to get trolled this hard.
Pffffttttt... this whole board is one big troll/sockfest these days. It's not like I haven't noticed. Troll away.
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If we're basing Big 12 POY on the most valuable player, then it's gotta be Jeff Withey.
i agree. if we're choosing who the most important player is, i'd prolly go withey, art, smart. my earlier post was based on predicting who would actually be chosen big 12 poy, not who should be.
How awesome would this guy have looked in a K-State uniform? I mean, my God...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/basketball/recruiting/player-Sindarius-Thornwell-114666;_ylt=AnDERnwZlskS7so5bV6iHIi3sJB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/basketball/recruiting/player-Sindarius-Thornwell-114666;_ylt=AnDERnwZlskS7so5bV6iHIi3sJB4)
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Beems you make valid points and I would give Jeff the dpoy but if the poy doesn't
Go to smart or gruds the big XII office will be investigated again
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It's not like Beems to get trolled this hard.
Pffffttttt... this whole board is one big troll/sockfest these days. It's not like I haven't noticed. Troll away.
Fact remains.
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If we're basing Big 12 POY on the most valuable player, then it's gotta be Jeff Withey.
i agree. if we're choosing who the most important player is, i'd prolly go withey, art, smart. my earlier post was based on predicting who would actually be chosen big 12 poy, not who should be.
How awesome would this guy have looked in a K-State uniform? I mean, my God...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/basketball/recruiting/player-Sindarius-Thornwell-114666;_ylt=AnDERnwZlskS7so5bV6iHIi3sJB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/basketball/recruiting/player-Sindarius-Thornwell-114666;_ylt=AnDERnwZlskS7so5bV6iHIi3sJB4)
would not happen. the only reason Frank is getting him is because he's from SC.
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
Yeah, kinda sad what has happened to this place since wackycat/fanning and the rest of his socks took over.
You say that because you're sick of getting clown suited by me. I know what makes you tick. I own you, beems. T's & P's.
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
Yeah, kinda sad what has happened to this place since I came back just for basketball season.
FYP
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Nope he wasn't, and nobody on our team right now is. We are at the top of the Big 12, so suck it Beems
Wrong again. Gipson was top 150. So was Southwell. Rodriguez had offers to Louisville, NC State, and Miami (FL) and was recruited nationally. Nino Williams was a 4-star. Maybe do some research on your own team next time.
Damn, sorry Luke but you kinda got clown suited then.
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Nope he wasn't, and nobody on our team right now is. We are at the top of the Big 12, so suck it Beems
Wrong again. Gipson was top 150. So was Southwell. Rodriguez had offers to Louisville, NC State, and Miami (FL) and was recruited nationally. Nino Williams was a 4-star. Maybe do some research on your own team next time.
Damn, sorry Luke but you kinda got clown suited then.
ik.. :bawl:
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
Yeah, kinda sad what has happened to this place since wackycat/fanning and the rest of his socks took over.
You say that because you're sick of getting clown suited by me. I know what makes you tick. I own you, beems. T's & P's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F02%2Fmj-laughing.gif&hash=a92592fec1f99372005fd2ed17a79985695b527b)
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
Yeah, kinda sad what has happened to this place since wackycat/fanning and the rest of his socks took over.
You say that because you're sick of getting clown suited by me. I know what makes you tick. I own you, beems. T's & P's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F02%2Fmj-laughing.gif&hash=a92592fec1f99372005fd2ed17a79985695b527b)
Look at Beems struttin in this thread
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this thread reminds me of a few years ago when i would read ku messageboard threads about ku bball players and the ku bball team, and their posters were so stupid that i would know more about their players and team than 99% of them did.
Yeah, kinda sad what has happened to this place since wackycat/fanning and the rest of his socks took over.
You say that because you're sick of getting clown suited by me. I know what makes you tick. I own you, beems. T's & P's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F02%2Fmj-laughing.gif&hash=a92592fec1f99372005fd2ed17a79985695b527b)
Look at Beems struttin in this thread
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:thumbs:
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Do freshmen typically win the POY in the conference? I thought that POY was for the SO-SR's and Freshman POY was for the best freshman. Isn't that how they treated Beas?
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Do freshmen typically win the POY in the conference? I thought that POY was for the SO-SR's and Freshman POY was for the best freshman. Isn't that how they treated Beas?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference_Men's_Basketball_Player_of_the_Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference_Men's_Basketball_Player_of_the_Year)
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It's fun when sunshine beems provokes the JV.
Yeah, wow. Congrats, beems.
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1st team - Smart, McClemore, Withey, McGruds, Jackson
2nd team - Angel, Osby, Brown, Ejim, Clyburn
POY - Rod (if K-State shares) or McClemore (if KU outrights).
COY- oscar.
I would agree with all of this (tough call between Austin or Ejim for last spot on 2nd). I think POY is Smart.
Conf road games, McLemore is only ave 11.5 pts, shooting 42.6% FG and 21.4% from 3pt.
KU won at Ksu Osu and Isu and Ben was not even close to the main reason (25 whopping pts on 36% FG in those 3 gms)
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STFU Wackycat! Beems could buy and sell your ass at will, what with the massive trust fund he's got brewing.
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It's fun when sunshine beems provokes the JV.
Yeah, wow. Congrats, beems.
I kind of want to make some sort of filter where only a certain list of posters can talk to KU posters or about KU in general. A lot of people just can't handle it. Then, if we want, we can take off the filter and unleash these guys on them for laughs. I think everyone wins in this scenario.
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I don't understand the connection between Beems' sig pic and the quote.
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It's fun when sunshine beems provokes the JV.
Yeah, wow. Congrats, beems.
I kind of want to make some sort of filter where only a certain list of posters can talk to KU posters or about KU in general. A lot of people just can't handle it. Then, if we want, we can take off the filter and unleash these guys on them for laughs. I think everyone wins in this scenario.
:thumbsup:
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Why would we create some troll filter to protect someone who would let themselves get trolled by wackycat?
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Why would we create some troll filter to protect someone who would let themselves get trolled by wackycat?
:gocho:
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
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what a great thread. good job, beems. :thumbs:
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
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What adversity has KU faced?
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What adversity has KU faced?
3 game losing streak, including a game to TCU. Most coaches would have lost that team.
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I'd argue a coach that lost to the worst team in the 100+ year history of the conference doesn't deserve a coach of the year award.
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What adversity has KU faced?
3 game losing streak, including a game to TCU. Most coaches would have lost that team.
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:dubious:
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From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas
Athletics
Main article: Kansas Jayhawks
The school's sports teams, wearing crimson and royal blue, are called the Kansas Fuckhawks. They participate in the NCAA's Division I and in the Big 12 Conference. KU has won twelve National Championships in racism/dick sucking: five in men's dick sucking (two Helms Foundation championships and three NCAA dick sucking championships), three in men's indoor dick and balls, three in men's outdoor dick and balls, and one in men's cross humping. The home course for KU Cross Humping is Rim Job Farm. Their most recent dick sucking championship came on April 7, 2008 when they defeated Memphis Ball Swallowers 75-68 in overtime to win the 2008 NCAA Men's Dick Sucking Championship. Many of the KU student athletes have AIDS.
This wikipedia article would suggest the AIDS to HIV ratio may be 46-3. Not good for the community of Lawrence. The facts don't lie.
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:sdeek:
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:flush:
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I'd argue a coach that lost to the worst team in the 100+ year history of the conference doesn't deserve a coach of the year award.
I would argue that that game was completely meaningless. They are still going to end up winning the Big 12, and they will have a #1 seed.
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What adversity has KU faced?
3 game losing streak, including a game to TCU. Most coaches would have lost that team.
the fact that bill self can win without a decent post scorer and true pg is pretty impressive in my book considering the type of offense he favors. i'd still give it to weber though.
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What adversity has KU faced?
3 game losing streak, including a game to TCU. Most coaches would have lost that team.
the fact that bill self can win without a decent post scorer and true pg is pretty impressive in my book considering the type of offense he favors. i'd still give it to weber though.
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From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas
Athletics
Main article: Kansas Jayhawks
The school's sports teams, wearing crimson and royal blue, are called the Kansas Fuckhawks. They participate in the NCAA's Division I and in the Big 12 Conference. KU has won twelve National Championships in racism/dick sucking: five in men's dick sucking (two Helms Foundation championships and three NCAA dick sucking championships), three in men's indoor dick and balls, three in men's outdoor dick and balls, and one in men's cross humping. The home course for KU Cross Humping is Rim Job Farm. Their most recent dick sucking championship came on April 7, 2008 when they defeated Memphis Ball Swallowers 75-68 in overtime to win the 2008 NCAA Men's Dick Sucking Championship. Many of the KU student athletes have AIDS.
This wikipedia article would suggest the AIDS to HIV ratio may be 46-3. Not good for the community of Lawrence. The facts don't lie.
I call BS, where are the quidditch (sp?) championships? :shakesfist:
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Really? You expected us to be 13-3 in the Big 12 at this point and tied for 1st? It's not a wash at all. What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) post.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Really? You expected us to be 13-3 in the Big 12 at this point and tied for 1st? It's not a wash at all. What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) post.
I expected to be a 3 or 4 seed and make it to the sweet sixteen. I didn't think the Big 12 would be as shitty as it has been, but all things considered, I think we are pretty much exactly as good as I thought we would be heading into this season.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Really? You expected us to be 13-3 in the Big 12 at this point and tied for 1st? It's not a wash at all. What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) post.
I expected to be a 3 or 4 seed and make it to the sweet sixteen. I didn't think the Big 12 would be as shitty as it has been, but all things considered, I think we are pretty much exactly as good as I thought we would be heading into this season.
And you didn't expect KU to be this good?
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Really? You expected us to be 13-3 in the Big 12 at this point and tied for 1st? It's not a wash at all. What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) post.
I expected to be a 3 or 4 seed and make it to the sweet sixteen. I didn't think the Big 12 would be as shitty as it has been, but all things considered, I think we are pretty much exactly as good as I thought we would be heading into this season.
And you didn't expect KU to be this good?
They are going to get a 1 seed.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Except for the coaches who pick K-State to finish 5th in the league.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Really? You expected us to be 13-3 in the Big 12 at this point and tied for 1st? It's not a wash at all. What a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) post.
I expected to be a 3 or 4 seed and make it to the sweet sixteen. I didn't think the Big 12 would be as shitty as it has been, but all things considered, I think we are pretty much exactly as good as I thought we would be heading into this season.
And you didn't expect KU to be this good?
They are going to get a 1 seed.
And that's pretty much what everyone thought all along. KSU was picked to finish 5th in the Big 12. They are one game away from finishing 1st. It's a wash for Weber as COY.
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Give it up...
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Except for the coaches who pick K-State to finish 5th in the league.
If they voted for big 12 coty, then you maybe on to something
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It is a strange feeling to see a EMAWer defend something KU related to other EMAWers. I'm just so used to it being Smock and watching you all try and tear him apart. I don't know what to do with myself.
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gcjayhawker, what do you think about Victor being on this season's "Dancing with the Stars?"
Think he'll wear something with a big 620 on it? :D
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Except for the coaches who pick K-State to finish 5th in the league.
Yeah, Weber's peers don't have anything bad to say about him, but they sure as hell felt free to disrespect him as a coach in that poll.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Except for the coaches who pick K-State to finish 5th in the league.
Yeah, Weber's peers don't have anything bad to say about him, but they sure as hell felt free to disrespect him as a coach in that poll.
Adversity for KU? They had 3 starters back plus a stud in B-Mac and some talented first year players.
Ksu FB was picked 6th after a 10 win season in 2011. I guess Snyders peers didn't think much of him either.
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I would give COTY to Bill Self, assuming he doesn't blow the game in Waco.
Why? He has 4 seniors and a lottery pick starting and KU was picked to win the Big 12. Weber has the same conference record with less talent and has greatly overachieved.
Weber has his team exactly where anybody who looked at last year's results with the players he had coming back would have expected. Bill's team has faced a ton of adversity, and he has produced better results than any other team in the nation. It's pretty much a wash, but I would give it to Bill if he wins the Big 12. If Weber wins it outright, I would give it to him. A very strong case could also be made for Travis Ford, but I feel like giving him an award would be rewarding him for the shitty job he's done up until this season moreso than the good job he's done this year.
Except for the coaches who pick K-State to finish 5th in the league.
Yeah, Weber's peers don't have anything bad to say about him, but they sure as hell felt free to disrespect him as a coach in that poll.
Adversity for KU? They had 3 starters back plus a stud in B-Mac and some talented first year players.
Ksu FB was picked 6th after a 10 win season in 2011. I guess Snyders peers didn't think much of him either.
Obviously Snyder's peers didn't. They slapped his program in the face. Bill Self is overcoming marital issues, and he nearly lost his team in the middle of conference play, yet here he sits, first place with a 1 seed all but locked up and sweeps versus his only two real competitors for the award. He's a disgusting human being, but he's also a hell of a basketball coach.
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Are #BiDers the only ones to correctly predict this season? Seems like it.
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Are #BiDers the only ones to correctly predict this season? Seems like it.
It seems like that must be the case. It's kind of amazing that those most outspoken about Weber being an awful hire were also the only ones who thought Weber is a good enough coach that he should be expected to take Frank's roster and have the same level of success as Frank would be expected to have.
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Are #BiDers the only ones to correctly predict this season? Seems like it.
#BiDers will be the only ones to correctly predict everything that happens between oscar's hiring and the time he leaves K-State, book it.
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gcjayhawker, what do you think about Victor being on this season's "Dancing with the Stars?"
Think he'll wear something with a big 620 on it? :D
I wish, but he seems to have attached himself to Lawrence a lot more, which is fine. He had a rough time in GC and probably tries not to dwell on it that much. Hope that million dollar smile wins the whole thing.
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And sweeps versus his only two real competitors for the award.
OSU split with KU...Unless you are putting Fred Hoiberg, Chris Walker or Rick Barnes up for coach of the year in which case :confused:
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And sweeps versus his only two real competitors for the award.
OSU split with KU...Unless you are putting Fred Hoiberg, Chris Walker or Rick Barnes up for coach of the year in which case :confused:
Oh, that's right. I still say that unless Bill loses in Waco, the award should go to him.
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And sweeps versus his only two real competitors for the award.
OSU split with KU...Unless you are putting Fred Hoiberg, Chris Walker or Rick Barnes up for coach of the year in which case :confused:
Oh, that's right. I still say that unless Bill loses in Waco, the award should go to him.
Self did a great job as he always does, but KU was the unanimous choice to win the league.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205708852
2012-13 BIG 12 PRESEASON POLL
Team (First-place votes) Points
1. Kansas (9)* 81
2. Baylor (1) 63
3. Oklahoma State 60
4. Texas 58
5. Kansas State 54
6. West Virginia 45
7. Oklahoma 34
8. Iowa State 28
9. Texas Tech 18
10. TCU 9
Big 12 COY is oscar's to lose. Ford probably gets it if OSU wins their last two. And either one of those would be the correct choice over Self.
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I wouldn't say Weber is a sure thing for CotY unless we somehow win a share of the title on Saturday. McGruder's gonna need a title and a special performance in the P66 to merit consideration. Otherwise, it's down to Smart and Mac, with the edge probably going to Smart because he has less talent around him.
All I want is a share of the title at this point. I'd give us a 40% chance.
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I wish they would give out an opposite CotY award. Drew would have that think locked up.
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Why does being picked to win the league disqualify a coach for COTY?
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
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Why does being picked to win the league disqualify a coach for COTY?
Because apparently it's easy to win the league when you're everyone's Super Bowl.
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I have heard more and more media types say COY the year should just go the guy who wins the league. As boring as that sounds it does take into account the most important function for any college coach - recruiting.
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Why does being picked to win the league disqualify a coach for COTY?
Hugs is a strong candidate for that. He talked a bunch of crap before the season about how they should have been picked higher.
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I think bill has done excellent this yr, and depending on how deep you guys run, it could be his best job ever (said same thing last yr). That said, there is something to be said for the fact that Bill's system was already in place and the majority of the contributors are 3-4yrs into that system and already understood each others roles. That, imo, would be the main reason I would vote oscar once we split.
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it's already been said but i'll say it again, any coach that loses to TCU should not win the award regardless of anything else that they may accomplish.
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it's already been said but i'll say it again, any coach that loses to TCU should not win the award regardless of anything else that they may accomplish.
Yup. Anyone who shits themselves like that is disqualified.
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Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?
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Don't they do this voting after the regular season? Seems like Rod will need another big game-winning shot on Saturday to win this award, because players don't get rewarded for not hogging the ball, being a team player, etc.
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Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?
2nd team McO'rebs 11/12
1st team Pullen 10/11
1st team Pullen 09/10
2nd team Clemente 09/10
2nd team Clemente 08/09
1st team Beasley 07/08
2nd team Hoskins 06/07
2nd team Martin 06/07
2nd team Martin 05/06
2nd team Massey 04/05
2nd team Reid 01/02
then we drop off the cliff :sdeek:
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Angel will be our first player to make All Big 12 3 years! :excited:
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I think everyone but Drew and Hoiberg should be co-COTY
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I think everyone but Drew and Hoiberg should be co-COTY
And Barnes
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Don't they do this voting after the regular season? Seems like Rod will need another big game-winning shot on Saturday to win this award, because players don't get rewarded for not hogging the ball, being a team player, etc.
Yeah, Rod needs to score at least 25 or hit the game winner.
Hopefully he can find his 3PT shooting touch again. Last 7 games, Rod is 5-29 (17%) from 3, including last night's 1-8.
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Don't they do this voting after the regular season? Seems like Rod will need another big game-winning shot on Saturday to win this award, because players don't get rewarded for not hogging the ball, being a team player, etc.
Yeah, Rod needs to score at least 25 or hit the game winner.
Hopefully he can find his 3PT shooting touch again. Last 7 games, Rod is 5-29 (17%) from 3, including last night's 1-8.
He's 1-1 (100%) in dramatic buzzer beater 3PT shots, though. :gocho:
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I have heard more and more media types say COY the year should just go the guy who wins the league. As boring as that sounds it does take into account the most important function for any college coach - recruiting.
I think that most years, the award should go to the coach who actually wins the conference. There are some instances, like let's say maybe if Trent Johnson would have managed to win 8 Big 12 games with the roster he's inherited at TCU, where a coach can just do an amazing job and still deserve the award without actually winning the conference, though.
oscar has had an incredible year, but I think he's right behind Bill. Self has beaten the best teams in the Big 12. oscar is 0-2 vs KU and lost at ISU. Winning at OSU would improve my outlook on our season considerably. Bill lost a game at TCU, but won at KSU. That's miles better than winning at TCU and losing at KSU in my book, because I believe you are defined by who you beat more so than who you lose to.
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Angel will be our first player to make All Big 12 3 years! :excited:
soph pullen was robbed. authority-justifiying people justify it with kstate's poor record, but those same people will vote for jackson over art, so eff them.
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Don't they do this voting after the regular season? Seems like Rod will need another big game-winning shot on Saturday to win this award, because players don't get rewarded for not hogging the ball, being a team player, etc.
Yeah, Rod needs to score at least 25 or hit the game winner.
Hopefully he can find his 3PT shooting touch again. Last 7 games, Rod is 5-29 (17%) from 3, including last night's 1-8.
Yeah, I am not worried about Rod's shooting, but slightly concerned. He has had good looks too. Really like to see him make his 1st one of start 2-3 on Saturday. We all remember what Rod did in the 2nd half vs the Pokes in Manhattan.
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Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?
:lol:
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Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?
:lol:
Either Stevesie or I have no clue whats going on here. I think 8man is in the clear though.
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Why did this thread turn into COY?
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
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Angel will be our first player to make All Big 12 3 years! :excited:
soph pullen was robbed. authority-justifiying people justify it with kstate's poor record, but those same people will vote for jackson over art, so eff them.
Senior Cartier was robbed of 1st team. :shakesfist:
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Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?
:lol:
Either Stevesie or I have no clue whats going on here. I think 8man is in the clear though.
I meant to say "sophomore" instead of "player".
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Down to 'Gruds & B Mack, right? KU will get it if we tie, but man, what a ride.
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Why did this thread turn into COY?
Well, POTY should obviously go to the best player, Angel Rodriguez. COTY is much more debatable.
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
Not winning COTY isn't a punishment.
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
Not winning COTY isn't a punishment.
Don't be a smart ass. I was talking punishment in the COTY race. If his team is picked to win the league apparently he can't win COTY if KU does win the league. Makes no sense.
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
Not really punished, but with KU winning the league so often, Self winning COY is about style points now. Yes, he deserves a ton of credit for turning things around and getting them back into another (likely) league title, but he was still the coach when they lost 3 in a row, including one of the biggest upsets in the last 30 years (at least). IMO, the fact that pretty much everyone thought KU would run away with the league by 3-4 games when Big 12 play started and they didn't is enough for another coach to earn it when their team exceeded expectations. If KU was up 2 or more games right now, I'd vote for Self.
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
It's like voting for Daniel Day Lewis for best actor every time he is in a movie. It's like, yeah, he's the best, but.... gah it's just so boring giving it to the same guy every year.
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I think it's important to realize that most of the press who sets preseason expectations are idiots, and if we are really going to determine who had the best coaching performance throughout Big 12 play, we should disregard that completely.
The candidates
Bill Self
Coach Self brought KU into conference play with a disappointing loss to MSU as the only real blemish on the resume, but it was clear to anybody watching the Hawks play that they had some serious holes. It took a miracle last second 3 to send a game into overtime at home against "Mayor of Ames, Town Fool of Everywhere Else" Hoyberg. Then, the Hawks lost 3 straight games to OSU, TCU, and OU. It looked like they were headed for a similar downward spiral to the one Texas suffered after losing at KSU when they were ranked #1 a few years ago. Most coaches would have lost that team and would be staring at a 9 seed and likely first round exit right now. Getting KU where they are, despite getting much more help at the top of the rankings than a team would get in a typical college basketball season, is pretty remarkable.
oscar Weber
Coach Weber was a very polarizing figure coming into the 2012-13 season for the Kansas State Wildcats. Until he pulled out a convincing victory against Florida at the Sprint Center, it looked like Weber was not going to win a single quality OOC game, and lose every game against a quality opponent in blowout fashion. Despite that victory, even the most optimistic wildcat _fans were very skeptical that Weber would be able to outdo Frank in what was clearly a very down year for the Big 12. Weber has gone on to win the games he should be winning, only losing games to teams that are either better than his team or games in difficult environments like Hilton Coliseum. Weber doesn't really have a big win in conference play, though, with the game in Stillwater being his final chance to get one. Weber has done a fantastic job getting his team to buy into his system in just his first year as head coach, and has set himself up nicely for COTY contention.
It's a close race, but I would give it to Self by a hair at this point. Obviously the results of the games on Saturday could change that.
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
It's like voting for Daniel Day Lewis for best actor every time he is in a movie. It's like, yeah, he's the best, but.... gah it's just so boring giving it to the same guy every year.
You shouldn't give an award to somebody who doesn't earn it, though. If one of those other actors wants the award, they should just go out there and do a better job than DDL. This isn't intramurals where everybody gets a trophy.
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Has a K-State player ever made 1st or 2nd team All Big 12?
:lol:
Either Stevesie or I have no clue whats going on here. I think 8man is in the clear though.
I meant to say "sophomore" instead of "player".
I thought it was a fattyfest trivia reference
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coach of the year? who gives a eff, they're all a bunch of assclowns.
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@udk_bball: Self says oscar Weber deserves Coach of the Year. #kubball
/thread
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Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.
Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?
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Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.
Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?
McGee best 6th man in Big 12 for sure. I would say he is one of the top 3 6th men in the nation. Syracuse's Sutherland and Marquette's Gardner also are very good 6th men
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Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.
Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?
Jakesie60 typos are the best. :D
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Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.
Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?
Jakesie60 typos are the best. :D
:lol:
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he's been on a brain fart rampage this week. i think it's the stress of FPD looming over him.
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i can't tell if he's rough ridin' with us, or if the bbs is rough ridin' with him. either way, entropy thrives in this thread.
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Well _FAN, it would be "/thread" if this thread was titled "Big 12 Player of the Year". But it certainly is not.
Anyways, back to awards, who is 6th man of the year? McGee? Gathers? Did Gipson start enough to not be considered a 6th man? Is Te in the discussion?
Oh good grief.
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:lol: <-- laughing with you, of course, friend!
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It doesn't in the mocat book. But if there is a split title, and 1 coach was picked 1st and the other coach was picked 5th, i know who my vote would go to
This. Self is doing what he was supposed to do. Weber is greatly overachieving and has the same conference record as Self with less talent.
So Self gets punished because his team is picked to win the league almost every year?
It's like voting for Daniel Day Lewis for best actor every time he is in a movie. It's like, yeah, he's the best, but.... gah it's just so boring giving it to the same guy every year.
I don't see that comparison. Now, if DDL's acting coach kept winning awards for acting COTY, it would be stupid because his pupil should obviously be a great actor. Self lost to the shittiest team in the nation. It's like he turned his DDL into Keanu Reeves for a week.
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Sixth Man Award: Tyrus McGee, Iowa State, G, Sr.
Defensive Player of the Year: Jeff Withey, Kansas, C, Sr.
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Newcomer of the Year: Will Clyburn, Iowa State, G, Sr.
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Freshman of the Year: Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State, G, Fr.
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Freshman of the Year: Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State, G, Fr.
Gee, I wonder who poty will be?
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Coach of the Year: oscar Weber, Kansas State
:bball:
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Stud
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Stud
we've said it all along.
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Scholar-Athlete of the Year: Melvin Ejim, Iowa State, F, Jr.
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Player of the Year: Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State, G, Fr.
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Awesome...the butthurt is going to be strong.
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I really think Withey deserved POY more than Smart, but I don't have a serious problem w/ Smart getting it (or any of those selections).
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Can't disagree with any of those.
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Smart is definitely the best player in the confy.
Agree with all the awards, good job by the coaches. Wonder who Ford and Self voted for as POY...
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AR-T named to all-defensive team.
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AR-T named to all-defensive team.
Pretty elite. Not even Pullen made the Big 12 All Defense Team as sophomore.
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Is Smart a one and done.
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Is Smart a one and done.
Yes
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lol phog is so butthurt.
I think Ben shoulda got something. dunno what tho.
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Slap in the face to Angel
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All-Big 12 First Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Ben McLemore, Kansas G 6-5 185 Fr. St. Louis, Mo./Christian Life Center [Texas]
Jeff Withey, Kansas C 7-0 235 Sr. San Diego, Calif./Horizon
Rodney McGruder, Kansas State G 6-4 205 Sr. Washington, D.C./Arlington Country Day [Fla.]
Romero Osby, Oklahoma F 6-8 232 Sr. Meridian, Miss./Mississippi State University
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State G 6-4 225 Fr. Flower Mound, Texas/Marcus
All-Big 12 Second Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Pierre Jackson, Baylor G 5-10 180 Sr. Las Vegas, Nev./Desert Pines/ College of Southern Idaho
Will Clyburn, Iowa State G 6-7 205 Sr. Detroit, Mich./Romulus/Marshalltown CC/Utah
Travis Releford, Kansas G 6-6 210 Sr. Kansas City, Mo./Bishop Miege
Angel Rodriguez, Kansas State G 5-11 180 So. San Juan, Puerto Rico/Krop [Fla.]
Markel Brown, Oklahoma State G 6-3 190 Jr. Alexandria, La./Peabody
All-Big 12 Third Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Isaiah Austin, Baylor C 7-1 220 Fr. Arlington, Texas/Grace Preparatory Academy
Melvin Ejim, Iowa State F 6-6 220 Jr. Toronto, Ontario/Brewster Academy [N.H]
Amath M'Baye, Oklahoma F 6-9 208 Jr. Bordeaux, France/University of Wyoming
Steven Pledger, Oklahoma G 6-4 219 Sr. Chesapeake, Va./Atlantic Shores Christian School
Le'Bryan Nash, Oklahoma State G/F 6-7 230 So. Dallas, Texas/Lincoln
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Can't believe Pierre Jackson didn't make 1st team, especially after last night.
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Wait, wait, KU got beat yesterday by a weak-assed second teamer?
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Can't believe Pierre Jackson didn't make 1st team, especially after last night.
Yeah the what have you done for me lately vote probably should have carried him up. Maybe people were thinking of him on the 3rd team since Baylor withered, and that game got him to 2nd team. :dunno:
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Can't believe Pierre Jackson didn't make 1st team, especially after last night.
How does 19.6 PPG and 6.6 APG not get you in??
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The team you lead is a huge disappointment? :dunno:
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He leads the league in points and assists. Even if you turn it over all the time (which Pierre does), I don't know how you don't make 1st team with those accomplishments.
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I bet the Drew haters used Saturday's game as proof of how bad they underperformed and PJ is just a casualty.
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Not even Pullen made the Big 12 All Defense Team as sophomore.
he should have though.
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I don't know how you don't make 1st team with those accomplishments.
winning matters.
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Can't believe Pierre Jackson didn't make 1st team, especially after last night.
How does 19.6 PPG and 6.6 APG not get you in??
King of meaningless stat stuffing, was good last night though
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lol phog is so butthurt.
Yes, the thread is great. Would have been 100x better if that noob raiderinks wouldn't have showed up. Pepperjax is pissed!
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lol phog is so butthurt.
Yes, the thread is great. Would have been 100x better if that noob raiderinks wouldn't have showed up. Pepperjax is pissed!
pretty sure he's a squak in disguise.
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lol phog is so butthurt.
Yes, the thread is great. Would have been 100x better if that noob raiderinks wouldn't have showed up. Pepperjax is pissed!
Pissed about raiderinks or pissed that we share the conference championship?
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lol phog is so butthurt.
Yes, the thread is great. Would have been 100x better if that noob raiderinks wouldn't have showed up. Pepperjax is pissed!
Pissed about raiderinks or pissed that we share the conference championship?
Pissed about the awards. I think raiderinks posts here under a different name
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lol phog is so butthurt.
Yes, the thread is great. Would have been 100x better if that noob raiderinks wouldn't have showed up. Pepperjax is pissed!
Pissed about raiderinks or pissed that we share the conference championship?
Pissed about the awards. I think raiderinks posts here under a different name
Sorry, I forgot what thread I was in. Yeah, all the KU people I follow on twitter were really butthurt, and there's really only one phogtard-like person I follow. The combination of yesterday and today just really got to them, I guess.
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I think Angel was screwed (should have been 1st team Big 12 over McLemore). Self really crap his pants at the end of the year, so it's hard to say he still deserves COTY.
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AP:
The Associated Press All-Big 12 men's basketball team for the 2012-13 season, as chosen by a panel of media representatives who cover the conference on a regular basis. Players listed in alphabetical order by name, school, height, weight, class and hometown:
FIRST TEAM:
Pierre Jackson, Baylor, 5-10, 180, senior, Las Vegas.
Rodney McGruder, Kansas St., 6-4, 205, senior, Washington, D.C.
Ben McLemore, Kansas, 6-5, 185, freshman, St. Louis.
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma St., 6-4, 225, freshman, Flower Mound, Texas.
Jeff Withey, Kansas, 7-0, 235, senior, San Diego.
SECOND TEAM:
Isaiah Austin, Baylor, 7-1, 220, freshman, Arlington, Texas. C
Markel Brown, Oklahoma St., 6-3, 190, junior, Alexandria, La.
Will Clyburn, Iowa St., 6-7, 205, senior, Detroit.
Romero Osby, Oklahoma, 6-8, 232, senior, Meridian, Miss.
Angel Rodriguez, Kansas St., 5-11, 180, sophomore, San Juan, Puerto Rico.
HONORABLE MENTION:
Melvin Ejim, Iowa St.; Cory Jefferson, Baylor; Korie Lucious, Iowa St.; Tyrus McGee, Iowa St.; Le'Bryan Nash, Oklahoma St.; Travis Releford, Kansas.
COACH OF THE YEAR: oscar Weber, Kansas St.
PLAYER OF THE YEAR: Marcus Smart, Oklahoma St.
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR: Will Clyburn, Iowa St.
FRESHMAN OF THE YEAR: Marcus Smart, Oklahoma St.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2013/basketball/ncaa/wires/03/11/2060.ap.bkc.ap.all.big.12.team.0276/index.html#ixzz2NFACTGRb
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The AP list was sort of surprising to me. Do they normally just pick who they think the 5 best players are or do they usually pick 3 guards and 2 posts? I was under the impression that it is usually 3 guards and 2 posts, but I don't normally pay much attention to this kind of stuff.
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I think its usually the 5 best players.
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I think its usually the 5 best players.
If that's the case, then I feel even more strongly about Angel getting screwed by not being 1st team.
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Isaiah Austin on 3rd team was a joke, much less 2nd
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seems like there have been years with 6 ( :flush:) on the first team, can't remember if it was ap or coaches
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The AP list was sort of surprising to me. Do they normally just pick who they think the 5 best players are or do they usually pick 3 guards and 2 posts? I was under the impression that it is usually 3 guards and 2 posts, but I don't normally pay much attention to this kind of stuff.
The Coach's 2nd team was 5 guards.
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From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas
Athletics
Main article: Kansas Jayhawks
The school's sports teams, wearing crimson and royal blue, are called the Kansas Fuckhawks. They participate in the NCAA's Division I and in the Big 12 Conference. KU has won twelve National Championships in racism/dick sucking: five in men's dick sucking (two Helms Foundation championships and three NCAA dick sucking championships), three in men's indoor dick and balls, three in men's outdoor dick and balls, and one in men's cross humping. The home course for KU Cross Humping is Rim Job Farm. Their most recent dick sucking championship came on April 7, 2008 when they defeated Memphis Ball Swallowers 75-68 in overtime to win the 2008 NCAA Men's Dick Sucking Championship. Many of the KU student athletes have AIDS.
This wikipedia article would suggest the AIDS to HIV ratio may be 46-3. Not good for the community of Lawrence. The facts don't lie.
I know this was early in the thread, but I was late getting to this one. Man, that had me laughing for 15 minutes.
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oscar just slapped marcus smart in the face on Soren, says it should have been Withey or Mcgruder, said that the POY should come from a first place team.
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oscar just slapped marcus smart in the face on Soren, says it should have been Withey or Mcgruder, said that the POY should come from a first place team.
:lol: Oh oscar just pulling no punches
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says he voted for Withey then McLemore
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Also said Smart completely flopped on the offensive foul they called on Angel.
He was as fired up about that as he has been all year.
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oscar just slapped marcus smart in the face on Soren, says it should have been Withey or Mcgruder, said that the POY should come from a first place team.
I think it should go to the best player, and I don't really have a problem with Smart getting it. There really isn't a clear best player this year.
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Also said Smart completely flopped on the offensive foul they called on Angel.
He was as fired up about that as he has been all year.
I also have no idea why any coach would still be fired up about something like that. Flopping is just part of good defense.
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Also said Smart completely flopped on the offensive foul they called on Angel.
He was as fired up about that as he has been all year.
I also have no idea why any coach would still be fired up about something like that. Flopping is just part of good defense.
I should've put it into context; after the game is when he said that. I'm not listening to the interview. I had no problem with him being upset about that, some coaches don't like flopping.
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Also said Smart completely flopped on the offensive foul they called on Angel.
He was as fired up about that as he has been all year.
I also have no idea why any coach would still be fired up about something like that. Flopping is just part of good defense.
I should've put it into context; after the game is when he said that. I'm not listening to the interview. I had no problem with him being upset about that, some coaches don't like flopping.
oscar teaches flopping, though, or at least our guys go out and do it. Gipson is probably our best flopper, and it's great defensive strategy because if you don't flop on the block, you are going to get pushed under the basket, and he doesn't have the kind of height to defend from there against some of the better bigs.
Is oscar talking about the play where Smart grabbed Angel and pulled him to the ground on an inbounds play? That's a whole lot different than flopping and just poor officiating.
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Is oscar talking about the play where Smart grabbed Angel and pulled him to the ground on an inbounds play? That's a whole lot different than flopping and just poor officiating.
Yes, that was what he was talking about.
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Heh. (not mine, saw it on FB)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg824.imageshack.us%2Fimg824%2F4940%2Fweberhall.jpg&hash=8396375dd6c3ed9722812d5546134f7528d9dfea)
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
BAYLOR ROCKED YOU.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
BAYLOR ROCKED YOU.
:sdeek:
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
BAYLOR ROCKED YOU.
:sdeek:
Mods, please change my name to NostradamusWackycat08. TIA.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
BAYLOR ROCKED YOU.
:sdeek:
Mods, please change my name to NostradamusWackycat08. TIA.
Fanning owning the board today while I eat my chicken strips. Nice work!
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:surprised:
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
BAYLOR ROCKED YOU.
:sdeek:
Mods, please change my name to NostradamusWackycat08. TIA.
Nice call on Gruds and Oklahoma State, clown boy.
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Ehhh, Wrong. The correct answer was: "'grats, fanning!" Try again, Beems.
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withey and smart would be the two top contenders in my mind.
Well you're a proven dumbass, so your opinion means little. I love Smart, but I think it goes to a team who wins the conference.
Jokes on you if you think Gruds is going to be Big 12 POY. I'd also be surprised if K-State won at Oklahoma State, considering you barely squeaked by a shitty Baylor team.
Jesus, beems. This season is killing you. You guys lost at TCU. Baylor is going to rock you.
BAYLOR ROCKED YOU.
:sdeek:
Mods, please change my name to NostradamusWackycat08. TIA.
Nice call on Gruds and Oklahoma State, clown boy.
DORK
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seems like there have been years with 6 ( :flush:) on the first team, can't remember if it was ap or coaches
There are 6 or even 7 if there is a tie in voting
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Also said Smart completely flopped on the offensive foul they called on Angel.
He was as fired up about that as he has been all year.
I also have no idea why any coach would still be fired up about something like that. Flopping is just part of good defense.
I should've put it into context; after the game is when he said that. I'm not listening to the interview. I had no problem with him being upset about that, some coaches don't like flopping.
oscar teaches flopping, though, or at least our guys go out and do it. Gipson is probably our best flopper, and it's great defensive strategy because if you don't flop on the block, you are going to get pushed under the basket, and he doesn't have the kind of height to defend from there against some of the better bigs.
I hope you were trolling with these two posts
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Also said Smart completely flopped on the offensive foul they called on Angel.
He was as fired up about that as he has been all year.
I also have no idea why any coach would still be fired up about something like that. Flopping is just part of good defense.
I should've put it into context; after the game is when he said that. I'm not listening to the interview. I had no problem with him being upset about that, some coaches don't like flopping.
oscar teaches flopping, though, or at least our guys go out and do it. Gipson is probably our best flopper, and it's great defensive strategy because if you don't flop on the block, you are going to get pushed under the basket, and he doesn't have the kind of height to defend from there against some of the better bigs.
I hope you were trolling with these two posts
Are you going to argue that flopping is poor defensive strategy?
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Are you going to argue that flopping is poor defensive strategy?
I doubt it. MIR is pretty pro at taking a charge when he needs to (which is all the time)
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Could Rod have played himself into the 3rd team All American team by his performance in the tourney? Would obviously need to do something similar tonight, but man, what an accomplishment if it happens!