Farmageddon :ohno:
Farmageddon :ohno:
their numbers are surprising, but they've also played the 2nd easiest conference schedule so far. kstate has played the hardest.
They are an interesting team. They don't offensive rebound, they don't foul, and they don't force TOs. 44% of their shots are 3s and they hit nearly 39% from 3, but they are shooting (suprisingly) bad from the FT line (especially in league games. Their 3PT defense and defensive rebounding have been really good.
They are an interesting team. They don't offensive rebound, they don't foul, and they don't force TOs. 44% of their shots are 3s and they hit nearly 39% from 3, but they are shooting (suprisingly) bad from the FT line (especially in league games. Their 3PT defense and defensive rebounding have been really good.
their best shooters get fouled pretty close to never. their dboarding numbers are very impressive, as is their refusal to foul on defense. a nice strength on strength challenge for kstate.
They are an interesting team. They don't offensive rebound, they don't foul, and they don't force TOs. 44% of their shots are 3s and they hit nearly 39% from 3, but they are shooting (suprisingly) bad from the FT line (especially in league games. Their 3PT defense and defensive rebounding have been really good.
Honestly, I have no idea what to expect when we play them. I really don't expect to beat them in Ames.
There may be 80 free throws shot in Lubbock.
They are an interesting team. They don't offensive rebound, they don't foul, and they don't force TOs.
scjhawk wrote: The scary thing about ISU is that they foul the crap out of you and dare the officials to call it.
Quotescjhawk wrote: The scary thing about ISU is that they foul the crap out of you and dare the officials to call it.
kufan post.
Really? That's your perception of ISU? Not saying you're wrong by any means but that surprises me...simply because I don't see it.
scjhawk wrote: The scary thing about ISU is that they foul the crap out of you and dare the officials to call it.
kufan post.
Really? That's your perception of ISU? Not saying you're wrong by any means but that surprises me...simply because I don't see it.
Our OR% cracks me up.
Limited sample size of only 6 games, but here are the overall conference only efficiency numbers and 4 factors. Sorted by the difference offensively and defensively of each factor for each team.made me realize the variety of colors the schools of the Big 12 have. :)
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Limited sample size of only 6 games, but here are the overall conference only efficiency numbers and 4 factors. Sorted by the difference offensively and defensively of each factor for each team.made me realize the variety of colors the schools of the Big 12 have. :)
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slightly above avg :gocho:
slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Which is why sprads sucking is so bad.
slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Which is why sprads sucking is so bad.
Yeah. we need two new guards quick. WTF is up with Shane getting so much bench?
slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Which is why sprads sucking is so bad.
Yeah. we need two new guards quick. WTF is up with Shane getting so much bench?
The rules of Frankhouse are
1. You do not talk about Frankhouse.
2. You DO NOT talk about Frankhouse.
3. If someone says 'stop', goes limp, or taps out, the Franking is over.
4. Only Frank knows the extent of each Franking.
5. Frank will decide when each Franking is over.
6. The Frankings are bare knuckle. No shirt, no shoes, no weapons.
7. Frankings will go on as long as they have to.
8. If this is your first time at Frankhouse, you have to be Franked.
slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Which is why sprads sucking is so bad.
Yeah. we need two new guards quick. WTF is up with Shane getting so much bench?
The rules of Frankhouse are
1. You do not talk about Frankhouse.
2. You DO NOT talk about Frankhouse.
3. If someone says 'stop', goes limp, or taps out, the Franking is over.
4. Only Frank knows the extent of each Franking.
5. Frank will decide when each Franking is over.
6. The Frankings are bare knuckle. No shirt, no shoes, no weapons.
7. Frankings will go on as long as they have to.
8. If this is your first time at Frankhouse, you have to be Franked.
Fantastic(sarcastically towards the franking and sincerely towards the post)
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:thumbs:slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Which is why sprads sucking is so bad.
Yeah. we need two new guards quick. WTF is up with Shane getting so much bench?
The rules of Frankhouse are
1. You do not talk about Frankhouse.
2. You DO NOT talk about Frankhouse.
3. If someone says 'stop', goes limp, or taps out, the Franking is over.
4. Only Frank knows the extent of each Franking.
5. Frank will decide when each Franking is over.
6. The Frankings are bare knuckle. No shirt, no shoes, no weapons.
7. Frankings will go on as long as they have to.
8. If this is your first time at Frankhouse, you have to be Franked.
Fantastic(sarcastically towards the franking and sincerely towards the post)
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yeah, that was awesome.
slightly above avg :gocho:
Until we start shooting the ball, we will struggle. TOs hurt, but in general we cause a lot too. Pretty standard Frank basketbrawl. Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Which is why sprads sucking is so bad.
Yeah. we need two new guards quick. WTF is up with Shane getting so much bench?
The rules of Frankhouse are
1. You do not talk about Frankhouse.
2. You DO NOT talk about Frankhouse.
3. If someone says 'stop', goes limp, or taps out, the Franking is over.
4. Only Frank knows the extent of each Franking.
5. Frank will decide when each Franking is over.
6. The Frankings are bare knuckle. No shirt, no shoes, no weapons.
7. Frankings will go on as long as they have to.
8. If this is your first time at Frankhouse, you have to be Franked.
_Fan pretty much nailed "Franking" but in regard to Shane, I think it might go a little deeper than that. I think it's fairly clear that his most effective and natural position at this level is the 3, but with McGruder's recent stellar play and him needing to be on the floor in order for us to have any hope for success, it's going to be tough to get minutes there.
What about the 2 where he started last year and saw decent minutes? Well, if we had a solid lead PG that we knew was going to give us 30+ quality minutes every night like we had with Pullen, that would probably be able to offset Shane's lack of being a major scoring threat and not having a high-level ball handling skills. But we don't.
We tried to play him at the 1 bringing the ball up the floor down in Norman, and we all saw how that turned out. :facepalm:
It's a shame because I do think he is quality player at this level, capable of contributing more than he is right now, just haven't been able to nail down his niche for this team.
Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
You mean, getting 5 offensive rebounds without coming away with a single point* isn't enough to get it done?
* actually happened:
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels missed Jumper.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels missed Jumper.
10:18 42-44 Adrian Diaz Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Adrian Diaz Turnover.
9:43 42-44.
Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
You mean, getting 5 offensive rebounds without coming away with a single point* isn't enough to get it done?
* actually happened:
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels missed Jumper.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels missed Jumper.
Killing it in OR%, but that's not enough to win if you don't hit some shots.
You mean, getting 5 offensive rebounds without coming away with a single point* isn't enough to get it done?
* actually happened:
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels missed Jumper.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels Offensive Rebound.
10:18 42-44 Jamar Samuels missed Jumper.
Wonder if this is just programmed into their software now where missed jumper is automatically entered whenever he gets an offensive rebound?
play southie at the 4, problem solved.
Looks like we're letting other teams JYC us with TO% and FTR. Really only OR% is an advantage.
Looks like we're letting other teams JYC us with TO% and FTR. Really only OR% is an advantage.
TO% is really the one we need to cut down. Opponents having a high FTR against us hasn't been something that's hurt us a lot in the past. Most important though we need to hit shots. At least get our OFF eFG% even with DEF.
Looks like we're letting other teams JYC us with TO% and FTR. Really only OR% is an advantage.
TO% is really the one we need to cut down. Opponents having a high FTR against us hasn't been something that's hurt us a lot in the past. Most important though we need to hit shots. At least get our OFF eFG% even with DEF.
yep. TO% and eFG. I would imagine that our TO% and eFG in the last 5 minutes of ball games is horrendous (even compared to the rest of the field). Our FTR is not where it needs to be because we don’t have a player (or rather the player we do have is inconsistent) that can get the defense out of position to allow for the chaos/foul that occurs on a missed shot or an on ball foul.
Looking back, the defense we played against Missouri was ridiculous considering they have the best efficiency offense in the country at 1.2 PPP. We held them to .88 PPP and no other team has held them under 1.03.
We need more signs at games referencing adv stats.
We need more signs at games referencing adv stats.YOU DOWN WIT'
(.88) PPP?
We need more signs at games referencing adv stats.YOU DOWN WIT'
(.88) PPP?
Good chance we'll move up to #1 in a Big 12 defensive efficiency after KU plays @BU tomorrow.... :gocho:
Good chance we'll move up to #1 in a Big 12 defensive efficiency after KU plays @BU tomorrow.... :gocho:
Really? Incredible coaching by Frank.
Good chance we'll move up to #1 in a Big 12 defensive efficiency after KU plays @BU tomorrow.... :gocho:
Really? Incredible coaching by Frank.
We are at .95, KU is .94. I'm sure Baylor will have a solid PPP game at home.
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The key number for the season IMO is shooting the ball and 2nd would be TOs. If we can hit shots in both halves and maintain a decent TO% we have a shot against anyone. It is interesting to compare this year's team to the 09 team; this year's team is much, much better defensively, but worse offensively.
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The key number for the season IMO is shooting the ball and 2nd would be TOs. If we can hit shots in both halves and maintain a decent TO% we have a shot against anyone. It is interesting to compare this year's team to the 09 team; this year's team is much, much better defensively, but worse offensively.
Is it possible our opponents are collectively much, much worse offensively than they were in '09?
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The key number for the season IMO is shooting the ball and 2nd would be TOs. If we can hit shots in both halves and maintain a decent TO% we have a shot against anyone. It is interesting to compare this year's team to the 09 team; this year's team is much, much better defensively, but worse offensively.
Is it possible our opponents are collectively much, much worse offensively than they were in '09?
We're much better in the Adjusted DEff rankings. (which is adjusted for strength of schedule). 42nd in 09, 16th this year.
opponents' offensive efficiency.
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/help_with_team_page/
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Fortunate to be in position for 5th with an offensive efficiency of less than 1.0 PPP at this point in the season. Defense has been really good.
eFG% chart looks inverted
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Fortunate to be in position for 5th with an offensive efficiency of less than 1.0 PPP at this point in the season. Defense has been really good.
Way to glass half full it. My take was that it sucks we're in 5th right now with a defensive efficiency of .96.
you can ride elite defense quite a ways #wisconsin
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
:lol:
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
:lol:
I'd take 33-35% from Sprads (and Angel) at this point.
McGruds shouldn't be included anyway, he is actually shooting 38% from 3 in Big 12 games. Will and Angel are shooting 27% and 28% respectively.
If we start shooting the ball better our Bix XII Offensive Rebounding Trophy hopes might be jeopardized
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
:lol:
I'd take 33-35% from Sprads (and Angel) at this point.
McGruds shouldn't be included anyway, he is actually shooting 38% from 3 in Big 12 games. Will and Angel are shooting 27% and 28% respectively.
The laughing was directed at Spradling.
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
:lol:
I'd take 33-35% from Sprads (and Angel) at this point.
McGruds shouldn't be included anyway, he is actually shooting 38% from 3 in Big 12 games. Will and Angel are shooting 27% and 28% respectively.
The laughing was directed at Spradling.
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
:lol:
I'd take 33-35% from Sprads (and Angel) at this point.
McGruds shouldn't be included anyway, he is actually shooting 38% from 3 in Big 12 games. Will and Angel are shooting 27% and 28% respectively.
The laughing was directed at Spradling.
Yeah, 26% is really bad, especially when he leads the team in attempts.
Big 12 3pt shooting (attempts):
Tay .435 (23)
Rod .393 (61)
Jam .343 (35)
Angel .325 (40)
Sprads .260 (73)
Tay .435 (23)
if sprads and gruds 3's start falling @ 40% look out!
:lol:
I'd take 33-35% from Sprads (and Angel) at this point.
McGruds shouldn't be included anyway, he is actually shooting 38% from 3 in Big 12 games. Will and Angel are shooting 27% and 28% respectively.
The laughing was directed at Spradling.
Yeah, 26% is really bad, especially when he leads the team in attempts.
Big 12 3pt shooting (attempts):
Tay .435 (23)
Rod .393 (61)
Jam .343 (35)
Angel .325 (40)
Sprads .260 (73)
:horrorsurprise:
That is unspeakably bad, 19-73 :flush: Also LOL at Jamar's attempts.
Not making a determination either way. Looking at his percentage it would be foolish to say he should be shooting less. The LOL is because his number of attempts relative to his teammates is quite surprising.
Not making a determination either way. Looking at his percentage it would be foolish to say he should be shooting less. The LOL is because his number of attempts relative to his teammates is quite surprising.
To be fair, he has significantly more minutes than Tay and I assume still has quite a bit more than Angel since Angel didn't play too much before conference play, and even then had trouble staying out of foul trouble. Still pretty funny though.
Not making a determination either way. Looking at his percentage it would be foolish to say he should be shooting less. The LOL is because his number of attempts relative to his teammates is quite surprising.
To be fair, he has significantly more minutes than Tay and I assume still has quite a bit more than Angel since Angel didn't play too much before conference play, and even then had trouble staying out of foul trouble. Still pretty funny though.
3PT Attempts per 40 Min. in Big 12 Play:
Jones: 7 :D
Spradling: 6 :blank:
Angel: 5 :thumbsup:
McG: 4 :dubious:
Tay: 3 :frown:
Jamar: 3 :dunno:
Tay has already proven he has improved his outside shot and can knock down the 3s. He just wont shoot as many.
_FAN, are you gonna update this crap or what?
:blush:_FAN, are you gonna update this crap or what?
Sheesh. I usually update every Sunday/Monday, but I suppose I can do a midweek for you. Because I'm nice.
you're such a dick, kougs.
I've never tried giving up hoops, but I already know the answer in my case. Not writing about the game would be painful because writers have a compulsive need to write, both to get our opinions across and to organize them in our own heads, but I don't have the same pull with anything else in my life. Something similar is true of my interest in statistical analysis. It starts with the love of the game, not the love of the numbers. Using statistics is, as Abbott explains, a tool to understand basketball better--and one of many.
In my opinion, that's where the dividing line is truly drawn: Not between those who use stats and those who don't, but between people who are interested in learning more about the game and those who are not. There's nothing wrong with being on the other side of the divide. Like Bill Simmons replied to Klosterman about hockey, I wouldn't take a pill that made me know everything about soccer even if I could. Sometimes it's nice to follow a sport casually instead of obsessively. At the same time, using statistics alone is not sufficient evidence that someone is really intellectually curious about basketball. Believing that the numbers are all that matter is just as closed-minded as finding them totally worthless.
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The #1 problem with this team all year has been shooting the ball and it shows.
Maybe this doesn't belong here, but it didn't seem worthy of starting a new thread. It is a major reason I enjoy making these ridiculous numbers charts, etc.QuoteI've never tried giving up hoops, but I already know the answer in my case. Not writing about the game would be painful because writers have a compulsive need to write, both to get our opinions across and to organize them in our own heads, but I don't have the same pull with anything else in my life. Something similar is true of my interest in statistical analysis. It starts with the love of the game, not the love of the numbers. Using statistics is, as Abbott explains, a tool to understand basketball better--and one of many.
In my opinion, that's where the dividing line is truly drawn: Not between those who use stats and those who don't, but between people who are interested in learning more about the game and those who are not. There's nothing wrong with being on the other side of the divide. Like Bill Simmons replied to Klosterman about hockey, I wouldn't take a pill that made me know everything about soccer even if I could. Sometimes it's nice to follow a sport casually instead of obsessively. At the same time, using statistics alone is not sufficient evidence that someone is really intellectually curious about basketball. Believing that the numbers are all that matter is just as closed-minded as finding them totally worthless.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2108
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The #1 problem with this team all year has been shooting the ball and it shows.
You wouldn't know that by reading this board. It's so easy to see though...esp our 3 pt shooting in our losses. This board loves to jump on Sprads, but contrary to popular opinion he's playing above average defense, it's his shooting that is killing us. I know that statement makes me a racist jayhawk, but it's a true statement. If this team can get find it's offensive groove, we can make a deep run.
Maybe this doesn't belong here, but it didn't seem worthy of starting a new thread. It is a major reason I enjoy making these ridiculous numbers charts, etc.QuoteI've never tried giving up hoops, but I already know the answer in my case. Not writing about the game would be painful because writers have a compulsive need to write, both to get our opinions across and to organize them in our own heads, but I don't have the same pull with anything else in my life. Something similar is true of my interest in statistical analysis. It starts with the love of the game, not the love of the numbers. Using statistics is, as Abbott explains, a tool to understand basketball better--and one of many.
In my opinion, that's where the dividing line is truly drawn: Not between those who use stats and those who don't, but between people who are interested in learning more about the game and those who are not. There's nothing wrong with being on the other side of the divide. Like Bill Simmons replied to Klosterman about hockey, I wouldn't take a pill that made me know everything about soccer even if I could. Sometimes it's nice to follow a sport casually instead of obsessively. At the same time, using statistics alone is not sufficient evidence that someone is really intellectually curious about basketball. Believing that the numbers are all that matter is just as closed-minded as finding them totally worthless.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2108
I lol'd at this article that was linked:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/15/2799506/basketball-elitists-stats-nba
I about went off on someone at my pickup game that said Calipari could only recruit and was a shitty coach. Was going to cite kenpom d-rankings. Decided against it. Probably for the best.
Maybe this doesn't belong here, but it didn't seem worthy of starting a new thread. It is a major reason I enjoy making these ridiculous numbers charts, etc.QuoteI've never tried giving up hoops, but I already know the answer in my case. Not writing about the game would be painful because writers have a compulsive need to write, both to get our opinions across and to organize them in our own heads, but I don't have the same pull with anything else in my life. Something similar is true of my interest in statistical analysis. It starts with the love of the game, not the love of the numbers. Using statistics is, as Abbott explains, a tool to understand basketball better--and one of many.
In my opinion, that's where the dividing line is truly drawn: Not between those who use stats and those who don't, but between people who are interested in learning more about the game and those who are not. There's nothing wrong with being on the other side of the divide. Like Bill Simmons replied to Klosterman about hockey, I wouldn't take a pill that made me know everything about soccer even if I could. Sometimes it's nice to follow a sport casually instead of obsessively. At the same time, using statistics alone is not sufficient evidence that someone is really intellectually curious about basketball. Believing that the numbers are all that matter is just as closed-minded as finding them totally worthless.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2108
I lol'd at this article that was linked:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/15/2799506/basketball-elitists-stats-nba
I about went off on someone at my pickup game that said Calipari could only recruit and was a shitty coach. Was going to cite kenpom d-rankings. Decided against it. Probably for the best.
No, you should have went off on him.
Maybe this doesn't belong here, but it didn't seem worthy of starting a new thread. It is a major reason I enjoy making these ridiculous numbers charts, etc.QuoteI've never tried giving up hoops, but I already know the answer in my case. Not writing about the game would be painful because writers have a compulsive need to write, both to get our opinions across and to organize them in our own heads, but I don't have the same pull with anything else in my life. Something similar is true of my interest in statistical analysis. It starts with the love of the game, not the love of the numbers. Using statistics is, as Abbott explains, a tool to understand basketball better--and one of many.
In my opinion, that's where the dividing line is truly drawn: Not between those who use stats and those who don't, but between people who are interested in learning more about the game and those who are not. There's nothing wrong with being on the other side of the divide. Like Bill Simmons replied to Klosterman about hockey, I wouldn't take a pill that made me know everything about soccer even if I could. Sometimes it's nice to follow a sport casually instead of obsessively. At the same time, using statistics alone is not sufficient evidence that someone is really intellectually curious about basketball. Believing that the numbers are all that matter is just as closed-minded as finding them totally worthless.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2108
I lol'd at this article that was linked:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/15/2799506/basketball-elitists-stats-nba
I about went off on someone at my pickup game that said Calipari could only recruit and was a shitty coach. Was going to cite kenpom d-rankings. Decided against it. Probably for the best.
No, you should have went off on him.
He's an Indiana grad in love w/ crean WHO OBVIOUSLY WATCHED THE 2008 MEMPHIS-JAYHAWKS DEBACLE. I didn't feel like crushing his soul.
looking at those charts, and comparing them to the ways kstate has won under martin in past years, i'd say the number one problem has been ftr differential.
Here's how I did it. I spoke with two coaches from each of the big six power conferences. Some were head coaches, others were assistants, but all were granted anonymity so they could speak freely about the teams in their league. I then took my quotes from each pair and forged a single paragraph for each team, which now reads as if it came from one person.
Kansas State: This is a weird team. Frank Martin does a great job and the Wildcats are a great defensive team, but they just struggle to score. They hound you like dogs and do a great job of denying the wings. You have to make jump shots against them, even though they'll be contested. Rodney McGruder is not great off the bounce, but he can score in a variety of ways. He can do everything, but he doesn't do anything great. They get offense from their rebounding, so if you can minimize their second-chance points they struggle, although it's hard because they're so physical. Will Spradling and Jamar Samuels have had some big games, but they need somebody besides McGruder who's going to consistently give them 10, 12 points a night, and they don't have that.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/15/2799506/basketball-elitists-stats-nba
I about went off on someone at my pickup game that said Calipari could only recruit and was a shitty coach. Was going to cite kenpom d-rankings. Decided against it. Probably for the best.
At first glance that would seem to be the case, but it really isn't. Year by year, only in 2010 did K-State have a positive FT rate differential in regular season Big 12 games, and that was 1.4%. This year is -5.7, last year was -3.9, 09 was -14.3 (!), and 08 was -2.6.
I also looked at the key point in individual games of whether K-State was +10% or better in FTR differential or -10% or worse, again these numbers are only in Big 12 regular season games. This year K-State is 4-1 when +10% or better and 2-5 when -10% or worse. For Frank's tenure the Cats are 19-4 when 10% or better and 17-18 when -10% or worse. So even in games where the opposing Big 12 team has a signficant advantage in FTR differential K-State is nearly .500 under Frank.
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
So in summation: We need to score more.(?)
Probably a dumb question, but is PPP always that closely tied to the final standings in a round robin league? I guess it seems kind of inevitable. :dunno:
So in summation: We need to score more.(?)
If I had to list our biggest issues offensively I'd go with this:
1) Shooting the ball. Especially our weird inability to hit 3s at home. However, our 2PT% was pretty average in Big 12 play as well.
2) TOs, but that was more early in the year. Frank's teams are never going to keep our TO% under 20%, but it has to be in the low 20s at least. We proved we can win that way, mainly because we force TOs nearly 1 of every 4 possessions.
3) FT rate. I can live with our opponents getting to the line a little more than we do, but we need to keep ours above 40%.
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
It has been a crazy year in the Big 12 if you look at historical PPG numbers. You forced me to make another chart. I hope we aren't trying to become the Big 10. :blindfold:
K-State highlighted in purple.
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I should have clarified, but the chart is pace (possessions per game) sorry for the confusion by using "PPG". I guess its been so long since I've actually looked at "points per game" that I forgot it could be confused.
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
It has been a crazy year in the Big 12 if you look at historical PPG numbers. You forced me to make another chart. I hope we aren't trying to become the Big 10. :blindfold:
K-State highlighted in purple.
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I'd be willing to bet the PPG numbers each year can be directly attributed to the number of quality ball handlers in the league. I would say this is a down year in the league as it relates to guards and a good year for bigs equals more half court sets.
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
It has been a crazy year in the Big 12 if you look at historical PPG numbers. You forced me to make another chart. I hope we aren't trying to become the Big 10. :blindfold:
K-State highlighted in purple.
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I'd be willing to bet the PPG numbers each year can be directly attributed to the number of quality ball handlers in the league. I would say this is a down year in the league as it relates to guards and a good year for bigs equals more half court sets.
A big problem with you theory is that MU was third lowest.
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
It has been a crazy year in the Big 12 if you look at historical PPG numbers. You forced me to make another chart. I hope we aren't trying to become the Big 10. :blindfold:
K-State highlighted in purple.
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I'd be willing to bet the PPG numbers each year can be directly attributed to the number of quality ball handlers in the league. I would say this is a down year in the league as it relates to guards and a good year for bigs equals more half court sets.
A big problem with you theory is that MU was third lowest.
You don't think that as a general rule teams with skilled guards play at a higher pace than the alternative? Going into this season I don't think anyone would have believed that Mizzou's possessions per game would be so low. I don't know how anyone wouldn't see Mizzou's PP40 as a statistical anomaly. Of course you know that when analyzing any stat its okay to throw out certain outliers and anomalies.
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
It has been a crazy year in the Big 12 if you look at historical PPG numbers. You forced me to make another chart. I hope we aren't trying to become the Big 10. :blindfold:
K-State highlighted in purple.
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I'd be willing to bet the PPG numbers each year can be directly attributed to the number of quality ball handlers in the league. I would say this is a down year in the league as it relates to guards and a good year for bigs equals more half court sets.
A big problem with you theory is that MU was third lowest.
You don't think that as a general rule teams with skilled guards play at a higher pace than the alternative? Going into this season I don't think anyone would have believed that Mizzou's possessions per game would be so low. I don't know how anyone wouldn't see Mizzou's PP40 as a statistical anomaly. Of course you know that when analyzing any stat its okay to throw out certain outliers and anomalies.
I agree that MU is just weird and kind of an anomaly. On the flip side, KU is the second fastest and they have a POY at the 4. You can also look at Frank's teams: our 2008 team w/ Beasley at the 5 and Walker at the 4 and Clent Stewart and Blake Young playing a shitload of guard minutes was Frank's fastest pace by quite a bit.
It's not that there are anomalies, it's that there doesn't seem to be any correlation between ball handling ability and pace, at least compared to other factors. There are simply too many factors at play for one item to stick out even a little bit as a driving factor for pace. OR% and DR% can play a big part of it, as can defensive style. Really, the addition of Haith and Gillispie had more to do with the decreased pace than anything. Those guys' teams played A LOT slower than their predecessors.
Could it be that having a skilled(see future NBA Player) on your team leads to faster play? Get the ball to Beasley/Walker/Trob and they shoot right away? You wouldnt need to run the pinwheel in circles and wait for the perfect backdoor cut/open 3 if you have a guy who can always make his own shot.
Yeah, but the league has had NBA-bound bigs on teams for the past 20 years. I think the reason for slower paced games this season is that a lot of teams have not had much of a bench. It would be easy to wear down the 6-7 guys you want on the court if you played a fast-paced game the whole time.
I think there's been less of a bench, anyway. MU and KU are the obvious ones. Didn't some of Tech's guys leave? OSU and A&M have had injuries.
Maybe this stuff happens every year, but I can't remember a year where this many teams had such a short bench.
Remember when people said wooly's defense was really good?
I guess it kind of makes sense that it would be close since everyone is playing each other, but the narrow range of pace numbers is crazy.
It has been a crazy year in the Big 12 if you look at historical PPG numbers. You forced me to make another chart. I hope we aren't trying to become the Big 10. :blindfold:
K-State highlighted in purple.
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I'd be willing to bet the PPG numbers each year can be directly attributed to the number of quality ball handlers in the league. I would say this is a down year in the league as it relates to guards and a good year for bigs equals more half court sets.
A big problem with you theory is that MU was third lowest.
You don't think that as a general rule teams with skilled guards play at a higher pace than the alternative? Going into this season I don't think anyone would have believed that Mizzou's possessions per game would be so low. I don't know how anyone wouldn't see Mizzou's PP40 as a statistical anomaly. Of course you know that when analyzing any stat its okay to throw out certain outliers and anomalies.
I agree that MU is just weird and kind of an anomaly. On the flip side, KU is the second fastest and they have a POY at the 4. You can also look at Frank's teams: our 2008 team w/ Beasley at the 5 and Walker at the 4 and Clent Stewart and Blake Young playing a shitload of guard minutes was Frank's fastest pace by quite a bit.
It's not that there are anomalies, it's that there doesn't seem to be any correlation between ball handling ability and pace, at least compared to other factors. There are simply too many factors at play for one item to stick out even a little bit as a driving factor for pace. OR% and DR% can play a big part of it, as can defensive style. Really, the addition of Haith and Gillispie had more to do with the decreased pace than anything. Those guys' teams played A LOT slower than their predecessors.
It wasn't my intent to simplify the issue to just one reason for the decrease, the skilled guard talking point is just the one that I feel is the most important. Also look at the bigs you mentioned, they are all athletic and capable of playing at a higher pace. I also agree that Haith is a big reason for Mizzou's pace reduction, it was still nearly impossible to think their pace would have slowed that much.
Does mizzou have less possessions because they don't miss much our get many secs chances?
After looking at the pace comparisons, I had to go further. Here are the last 10 years offensive and defensive efficiencies. Also included average pace. Each season is sorted by offense (high to low) and defense (low to high). Color coded by teams.
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my head hurts.
Also, I think the possessions issue is one factor that is mainly dictated by coaching styles and I'm not sure there is any statistical metric (offense or defense) that factors in more than any other. And with fewer teams in the league and the round robin schedule PLUS losing several coaches that liked to play fast, the impact was felt even more throughout the league.
The pace per game has changed from year to year in the 5 years under Frank. But here are some numbers using points =
1) When we allow under 70 (69 pts or less)....... our record is 34-7.
2) When we score 75 pts or more ..... our record is 32-4. And 2 of those losses were because the game went into OT. Home losses to KU and Isu in 2010, we did not have 75 pts when regulation concluded. Also our win in OT in Texas 2009 we did not have 75 when OT started. So 31-2 when we scored 75 or more in regulation
It appears like the ave pace over Frank's 5 years is 69. So, from an overall average standpoint, if we hold our Big 12 opp to 69 pts or under (or 1.00 or under) we are winning 83% of the time (34-7)
50-32 overall in 5 years. Exactly 50% of those games we have held our opp to under 70pts. When we don't our record is 16-25
On the flipside, using that 69 pace ave for the 5 years, if we are score 75 or more pts (ave out to be 1.09ppp or more) then we are 31-2. Obviously in the 3 OT games (KU Isu 2010 Texas 2009), the number of poss. for the game is going to be higher with the extra 5 minutes.
FYI, Those 2 losses are 92-86 at Baylor and at T Tech 84-75 (both 2008)
So 31-2 when we scored 75pts or more by end of regualtion ( and we do this 40% of the time)
When we don't our record is 19-30
It wasn't my intent to simplify the issue to just one reason for the decrease, the skilled guard talking point is just the one that I feel is the most important. Also look at the bigs you mentioned, they are all athletic and capable of playing at a higher pace. I also agree that Haith is a big reason for Mizzou's pace reduction, it was still nearly impossible to think their pace would have slowed that much.
I get it - I'm saying I don't think PG skill has anything to do with pace at this level. Pretty much any Big 12 PG is capable of playing at the pace their coach wants them to play (in addition to the fact that there are so many factors that go into pace).Does mizzou have less possessions because they don't miss much our get many secs chances?
lots of OR's would actually make your pace lower - possessions only end with a made basket, defensive rebound, or turnover.
And we have been 8th, 4th, 1st and 2nd in OR per game the last 4 yrs nationally. Currently 15th this year
Top 3 in Def eFG% the past 3 years
Yep, that is impressive. TOP 10 five years in a row in OR%. And top 25 in Def TO% 3 of the past 4 years
I said 31-2 when we score 75pts or more in regulation.
Whats a little crazy is when we score between 70-74...... our record is only 4-9. Then there were 2 games when we had low 70s and the game went to OT (went 1-1 in those 2 OT games)
62-1 and 70-1........... are those for all games under Frank?
I assume the only loss when our ppp was 1.12 or above was at Baylor (92-86 in 2008)
What was the only loss when our Def ppp was .89 or better? Was it the Fla loss 57-44?
62-1 and 70-1........... are those for all games under Frank?
I assume the only loss when our ppp was 1.12 or above was at Baylor (92-86 in 2008)
What was the only loss when our Def ppp was .89 or better? Was it the Fla loss 57-44?
Those numbers are over Frank's career.
Both losses were last year.
Our offensive efficiency was 1.15 when we lost to Wisconsin last year. (theirs was 1.24) UNLV's offensive efficiency when they beat us last year was .87. (ours was .81)
That Fla loss their off eff was .97, the game only had a pace of 59 possessions.
my head hurts.
Yeah, you sort of have to look for a while, then take a break.