Post by: Tobias on December 08, 2011, 07:32:26 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45603597/ns/today-today_health/#.TuFi9XNW44M (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45603597/ns/today-today_health/#.TuFi9XNW44M)
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The Duggars star on the TLC reality series "19 Kids and Counting," which chronicled the difficulties of Michelle Duggar’s last pregnancy with Josie, now 2 years old. Michelle suffered from gall-bladder problems as well as preeclampsia. In order to save her life, doctors delivered daughter Josie three and a half months prematurely – she weighed only one pound, six ounces at birth, and endured a series of health emergencies, including a perforated bowel. Josie eventually went home with the rest of the Duggar family, and is now a healthy toddler who celebrated her second birthday in December.
Post by: DQ12 on December 08, 2011, 07:52:40 PM
Post by: kim carnes on December 08, 2011, 07:54:37 PM
I feel like the last sentence of your quote pretty much negates the title of this thread.
Yeah, it is very misleading, I thought either the mother or the baby was dead, and both are living happily. If anything, it sounds like god has blessed them.
Post by: Tobias on December 08, 2011, 07:57:31 PM
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Post by: Testy Westy on May 22, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bombshell-duggar-police-report-jim-bob-duggar-didn-t-report-son-josh-s-alleged-sex-offenses-for-more-than-a-year-58906
This is so scandalous you guys...
Post by: Institutional Control on May 22, 2015, 01:15:06 PM
Case closed.
Post by: puniraptor on May 22, 2015, 01:23:01 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 09:05:01 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 23, 2015, 10:17:45 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 12:17:18 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 23, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
Post by: puniraptor on May 23, 2015, 02:33:14 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 02:40:14 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
Nah because they covered it up and did nothing. But you hop on the righteous side of the confessed child abuser.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 23, 2015, 03:30:23 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
Nah because they covered it up and did nothing. But you hop on the righteous side of the confessed child abuser.
Sounds like they tried to help their son and protect their family, while still reporting it to the police. Is rather pray I never find myself in that position than cast stones...
Post by: Trim on May 23, 2015, 03:33:49 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
Nah because they covered it up and did nothing. But you hop on the righteous side of the confessed child abuser.
Sounds like they tried to help their son and protect their family, while still reporting it to the police. Is rather pray I never find myself in that position than cast stones...
Praying didn't seem to work for them. You should probably have a Plan B.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 03:44:02 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
Nah because they covered it up and did nothing. But you hop on the righteous side of the confessed child abuser.
Sounds like they tried to help their son and protect their family, while still reporting it to the police. Is rather pray I never find myself in that position than cast stones...
Praying didn't seem to work for them. You should probably have a Plan B.
They said Jim Bob was aware of the situation and did not go to authorities for more than a year.
How many kids were scarred in that year?
Kid needed counseling, instead he got a summer job.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 03:45:27 PM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
Nah because they covered it up and did nothing. But you hop on the righteous side of the confessed child abuser.
Sounds like they tried to help their son and protect their family, while still reporting it to the police. Is rather pray I never find myself in that position than cast stones...
If you found yourself in that situ I'd bet you'd do better than these "Christians"
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 23, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 23, 2015, 04:00:51 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 04:02:08 PM
I'd put him in counseling (they didn't). I probably wouldn't go to the police (they did).
They went to their cop buddy and fellow abuser, then refused to cooperate
Post by: 8manpick on May 23, 2015, 04:03:27 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 04:13:54 PM
Kid diddles siblings, and KSU-W wouldn't go to the cops. Christ almighty.
I think the lil pred was molesting other people's kids
Post by: 8manpick on May 23, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
TomatoKid diddles siblings, and KSU-W wouldn't go to the cops. Christ almighty.
I think the lil pred was molesting other people's kids
Tomahto
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 23, 2015, 07:14:05 PM
Post by: Trim on May 23, 2015, 11:43:20 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on May 24, 2015, 12:34:49 AM
And KSUW, I know you're a good moral dude so I'm not saying anything about you, I'm saying the duggars arent
A few posts before yours, he said he wouldn't tell the police about a child molester. He's a piece of crap.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on May 24, 2015, 08:26:06 AM
And KSUW, I know you're a good moral dude so I'm not saying anything about you, I'm saying the duggars arent
A few posts before yours, he said he wouldn't tell the police about a child molester. He's a piece of crap.
Think what you want, I really don't care. I'd rather be honest than feign righteous indignation. If my 15yo, hormone-addled son got pervy at a slumber party, I'd remove him from the family for a while and stick him in counseling. I wouldn't take him to the police and brand him for life as a sex offender. The unconditional love of a parent swings both ways, as any real parent knows. But by all means, heap on the scorn.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 24, 2015, 08:41:26 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
If I were king, I'd have all child molestors castrated then thrown into a common grave.
You wouldn't get him into home remodeling first?
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2015, 09:33:35 AM
Late 2003
When he returns home, Jim Bob and church elders take Josh to meet with then-Arkansas State Trooper Jim Hutchens, who knew the Duggars personally. Hutchens gives Josh a "very stern talk," according to In Touch magazine, but takes no official action. In 2007, Hutchens is convicted on child pornography charges and is currently serving a 56-year prison sentence.
Post by: puniraptor on May 24, 2015, 09:34:57 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2015, 09:39:45 AM
Post by: Tobias on May 24, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
pretty massive web of subhuman shitheads
At least they are off reality TV and can stop being focused on that
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
pretty massive web of subhuman shitheads
Stop persecuting Christians!
Post by: ksupamplemousse on May 24, 2015, 04:50:02 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 26, 2015, 11:46:57 AM
Never heard of any of these people
Churchy guy breeds his wife like a animal for a reality tv show. His son is a molester who is trying to get into politics
It never ceases to amaze me the level of savage pleasure certain people take in uncovering the sinful acts of professed Christians - even the perverse acts of a 15 year old boy over a decade ago. Not just the boy must be punished, but the parents, too. I'm guessing this because they made some comments supporting traditional marriage?
No the parents should be punished because they went out and said that "children were under threat" because of an LGBT proposal in Fayatteville, AR at the same time they were covinring up that their own son was molesting girls, including members of their own family.
You mentioned several times that you would provide counseling for the boy. WHAT ABOUT THE GIRLS THAT WERE MOLESTED?
We don't know exactly what happened to those girls. But here is what the home schooling materials that the Duggars used in the home, promote and speak at the yearly conference for has to say about counseling sex abuse.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recoveringgrace.org%2Fmedia%2FCounseling_Sexual_Abuse-540x700.jpeg&hash=67572468109d45d36cff78e246df796cd1f6d061)
I'd save the sanctimony about how the Duggars handled their son, and spend a bit more time thinking about what they did for their girls.
Post by: michigancat on May 26, 2015, 12:05:43 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recoveringgrace.org%2Fmedia%2FCounseling_Sexual_Abuse-540x700.jpeg&hash=67572468109d45d36cff78e246df796cd1f6d061)
holy crap
Post by: Mr Bread on May 26, 2015, 12:10:34 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 26, 2015, 12:11:08 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on May 26, 2015, 12:12:03 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 26, 2015, 12:14:17 PM
"failing to report allows others to also be abused"
It is really amazing that KSUW does not seem to grasp that this is the reason it is important.
Post by: Spracne on May 26, 2015, 12:15:34 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on May 26, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Post by: 8manpick on May 26, 2015, 12:27:36 PM
Post by: Mr Bread on May 26, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
I have to give it up, at least that says that you have to report it because:
"failing to report allows others to also be abused"
It is really amazing that KSUW does not seem to grasp that this is the reason it is important.
Quote from: god
Deuteronomy 22:22-25 King James Version (KJV)
22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
:sdeek:
Post by: michigancat on May 26, 2015, 12:31:16 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 26, 2015, 12:34:07 PM
I have to give it up, at least that says that you have to report it because:
"failing to report allows others to also be abused"
It is really amazing that KSUW does not seem to grasp that this is the reason it is important.Quote from: godDeuteronomy 22:22-25 King James Version (KJV)
22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
:sdeek:
So Josh Duggar should have been forced to marry his sister(s)? And paid their father 50 pieces of silver.
Post by: Mr Bread on May 26, 2015, 12:47:24 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2015, 12:55:17 PM
Post by: Jabeez on May 26, 2015, 01:55:22 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 26, 2015, 02:01:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/posts/653931128073873
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You guys are a light in this dark world. Satan hates to see us do good and he will do whatever he can to bring us down. You guys are a strong family and an example of graces. Praying for your family as you walk through the journey ahead.
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Sad that someone had to bring it up. Love you guys and praying for your family
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hese folks are criticized for being "too perfect" to be real. Then when they discuss a difficult time, they are vilified. ALL families go through things--some more difficult than others. Stop acting like you are experts on their lives. Examine your own life. Learn from their experiences and from people around you that turn failures into victories. God bless those doing their best to seek His will in their lives.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on May 26, 2015, 08:43:03 PM
Holy crap that can't be real
I came across this a couple weeks before the whole Dig Duggar revelation. It's most definitely real, and the guy who created it was a real perv as well.
Post by: The Big Train on May 26, 2015, 08:47:49 PM
I think that part of Bible is now part they like to ignore/pretend was replaced by later chapters
:thumbs:
Post by: Trim on May 26, 2015, 11:31:51 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2015, 08:17:37 AM
I hope DScott's not being mentored by Duggar types.
He would be accusing the cop of coveting his sandwich and thus deserving to be drilled in the face with it. Not his fault
Post by: steve dave on May 27, 2015, 12:54:26 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 27, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 27, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 28, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
Post by: Tobias on May 28, 2015, 01:30:19 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 30, 2015, 05:42:22 AM
Blanket training is a type of corporal punishment used to discipline infants and toddlers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_training)
I think the parents must be punished KSUW. What do you think?
Post by: CNS on May 30, 2015, 08:45:01 AM
It's funny because the ppl that do believe that stuff think that their Devil put dinosaur bones on earth to trick ppl yet that list is ok. I mean, if you had to pick which was an evil trick......
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 30, 2015, 09:58:21 AM
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 09:25:35 AM
Seems like they need to refer back to the worksheet KK posted. :dunno: I mean, I know it says Sexual Abuse on the top, but could it be used for other issues that cause harm?
Maybe the bro could use it to help him cope with justice system stuff?
Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2015, 11:17:56 AM
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 11:35:14 AM
:sad:
Yet, the girls are more concerned about being victimized by the release of the report rather than what happened to create the report. I get the invasion of privacy. I wouldn't want that trudged up and thrown in the public either, but the way they are treating the two issues is crazy to me.
Post by: 8manpick on June 04, 2015, 11:41:03 AM
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 11:46:45 AM
Seems like social services should maybe be involved in all this too. :dunno:
Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2015, 12:19:40 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2015, 12:20:30 PM
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 12:43:09 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 04, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
Does Jimbo have kids that are under 18 right now? I mean, that should be an issue too, right? Let known molester continue living with his kids. Seems unfit. :dunno:
I don't think Josh Duggar lives with them any more...he lives with his own kids now.
Post by: Tobias on June 04, 2015, 01:36:13 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
is he going to be a registered sex offender? If someone like this lived near me I would like them to have to register.
he dry-walled the molesting right out of his soul
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
Does Jimbo have kids that are under 18 right now? I mean, that should be an issue too, right? Let known molester continue living with his kids. Seems unfit. :dunno:
I don't think Josh Duggar lives with them any more...he lives with his own kids now.
Well, yeah, but Jimbo/bob/whatevs let it happen and I assume he still has kids to raise. Seems like a guy that lets a known serial molester stay, untreated, in his house for several years would qualify as an unfit parent.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 03:32:22 PM
Yeah, I'd remove him from the family for a while and put him in counseling. But by all means, go ahead and claim that you'd frog march your own son right down to the police if that happened in your family...
And yeah, I can't believe the victims are upset that this molestation from over 10 years ago is being exposed now. They should be as outraged as the rest of the internet community and pressing charges against their older brother! :shakesfist:
So go ahead, raise your hand if you're driving your son to the police and jail. This will be a real hoot.
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 03:40:08 PM
Maybe getting him some actual counseling? Maybe doing more than getting him in touch with an ex cop who is also a perv? Maybe remove him from the family to get him that counseling? There are places for that.
How can a parent know about it, know that it is prolific(4 sisters and one baby sitter), and do nothing to protect the other kids?
Post by: Kat Kid on June 04, 2015, 03:42:35 PM
So a 15yo hormonal boy gets pervy and decides to find out what boobies and vagina feel like, over their clothes, while his sisters are sleeping? That's what happened?
Yeah, I'd remove him from the family for a while and put him in counseling. But by all means, go ahead and claim that you'd frog march your own son right down to the police if that happened in your family...
And yeah, I can't believe the victims are upset that this molestation from over 10 years ago is being exposed now. They should be as outraged as the rest of the internet community and pressing charges against their older brother! :shakesfist:
So go ahead, raise your hand if you're driving your son to the police and jail. This will be a real hoot.
Still have not heard your game plan for the actual victims.
Post by: 8manpick on June 04, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkONILgGh.jpg&hash=c29caef206c2a08617e5d888331cfbb931cfa48c)
Post by: Tobias on June 04, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
Are you rough ridin' kidding me right now? Strange hill to die on ksu-w
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkONILgGh.jpg&hash=c29caef206c2a08617e5d888331cfbb931cfa48c)
So is that a vote for "I'm totally taking my 15yo son to the police"? Let's get it on the record, 8man. Also, how many kids do you have?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Latest interview says it wasn't just over the close and one of the 5 molested was a 5y/o(perv was a 15y/o).
Maybe getting him some actual counseling? Maybe doing more than getting him in touch with an ex cop who is also a perv? Maybe remove him from the family to get him that counseling? There are places for that.
How can a parent know about it, know that it is prolific(4 sisters and one baby sitter), and do nothing to protect the other kids?
I agree, from the sketchy info I've heard, they didn't do enough. They at least sent him away. I said I would have put my son in counseling.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 03:49:17 PM
So a 15yo hormonal boy gets pervy and decides to find out what boobies and vagina feel like, over their clothes, while his sisters are sleeping? That's what happened?
Yeah, I'd remove him from the family for a while and put him in counseling. But by all means, go ahead and claim that you'd frog march your own son right down to the police if that happened in your family...
And yeah, I can't believe the victims are upset that this molestation from over 10 years ago is being exposed now. They should be as outraged as the rest of the internet community and pressing charges against their older brother! :shakesfist:
So go ahead, raise your hand if you're driving your son to the police and jail. This will be a real hoot.
Still have not heard your game plan for the actual victims.
I don't know enough info to form a plan. Did they even know it had occurred? When did they find out? I can tell you that putting their brother in jail and labeling him a sex offender, as opposed to simply removing him from the family, does nothing more to help them and might actually harm them with the severe embarassment they're no doubt experiencing now.
Post by: 8manpick on June 04, 2015, 03:51:54 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 04:28:20 PM
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Emily Horowitz, a sociology professor at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, said the Duggars' decision to keep law enforcement out of it at first is understandable — even defensible.
"I don't condone this behavior, but I spoke to so many families that did the 'right thing' and the reaction was so excessive and Draconian that it destroyed the lives of their children," said Horowitz, author of the new book "Protecting Our Kids: How Sex Offender Laws Are Failing."
Horowitz said that juvenile offenders are the most treatable group of sex abusers, but law enforcement is more focused on punishment, including criminal prosecution with possible jail terms and lifetime listing on a sex-offender registry.
She said Justice Department data shows that one-third of sex offenses involving children also involve underage perpetrators. The most common age, she said, is 14 — the age Josh Duggar was.
"I'm pro-punishment," Horowitz said. "I'm just not pro-Draconian, permanent punishment."
But Huizar, from the National Children's Alliance, said it's the authorities — not parents — who can best decide how an abuser should be treated.
"We need to be clear that there is a wide range of behavior we are talking about," she said.
While Duggar was accused of touching the girls, some of them when they were asleep, Huizar said she dealt with one case in which a boy repeatedly sodomized his younger brother at knifepoint. [Because that's TOTALLY the same thing... :facepalm:]
"I don't want to minimize what youths can do," she said.
She said another reason to have the police involved is that in some cases the abuser has also been molested, though there is no suggestion that was the case with Josh Duggar.
"The other thing I would say is that making a report serves as a gateway to services," she said. "In many cases, parents are not going to know where to go for those services or have any ability to pay for services."
"There are wonderful evidence-based treatments that can interrupt the cycle of behavior," she added. "But they're often not readily available in the community."
In Horowitz's view, though, the system is designed to push parents to one of two extremes: dealing with an abuse case themselves, with no help from authorities, or opening up their child to a label that may follow them for the rest of their life.
"We don't have a middle ground," she said. "And this case shows you why we have to dial back the emotion and the hysteria."
Ok, so who else besides 8man is going to put their son's fate in the hands of the government (and people like Huizar)?
Post by: Jabeez on June 04, 2015, 04:47:59 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ddid-duggars-do-right-thing-about-sex-abuse-n369836 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ddid-duggars-do-right-thing-about-sex-abuse-n369836)What is going on? I've agreed with you on two posts today.QuoteEmily Horowitz, a sociology professor at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, said the Duggars' decision to keep law enforcement out of it at first is understandable — even defensible.
"I don't condone this behavior, but I spoke to so many families that did the 'right thing' and the reaction was so excessive and Draconian that it destroyed the lives of their children," said Horowitz, author of the new book "Protecting Our Kids: How Sex Offender Laws Are Failing."
Horowitz said that juvenile offenders are the most treatable group of sex abusers, but law enforcement is more focused on punishment, including criminal prosecution with possible jail terms and lifetime listing on a sex-offender registry.
She said Justice Department data shows that one-third of sex offenses involving children also involve underage perpetrators. The most common age, she said, is 14 — the age Josh Duggar was.
"I'm pro-punishment," Horowitz said. "I'm just not pro-Draconian, permanent punishment."
But Huizar, from the National Children's Alliance, said it's the authorities — not parents — who can best decide how an abuser should be treated.
"We need to be clear that there is a wide range of behavior we are talking about," she said.
While Duggar was accused of touching the girls, some of them when they were asleep, Huizar said she dealt with one case in which a boy repeatedly sodomized his younger brother at knifepoint. [Because that's TOTALLY the same thing... :facepalm:]
"I don't want to minimize what youths can do," she said.
She said another reason to have the police involved is that in some cases the abuser has also been molested, though there is no suggestion that was the case with Josh Duggar.
"The other thing I would say is that making a report serves as a gateway to services," she said. "In many cases, parents are not going to know where to go for those services or have any ability to pay for services."
"There are wonderful evidence-based treatments that can interrupt the cycle of behavior," she added. "But they're often not readily available in the community."
In Horowitz's view, though, the system is designed to push parents to one of two extremes: dealing with an abuse case themselves, with no help from authorities, or opening up their child to a label that may follow them for the rest of their life.
"We don't have a middle ground," she said. "And this case shows you why we have to dial back the emotion and the hysteria."
Ok, so who else besides 8man is going to put their son's fate in the hands of the government (and people like Huizar)?
That letter has a lot of gaps that people are filling in because it's easy to pile on. I mean, I dislike overly religious people as much as the next skeptic, but i think some people are extrapolating a lot from this letter that isn't there. (I haven't read or listened to much coverage) what i read made it seem like he got caught once for multiple offense and the family thought they straightened him out. He got caught again, and the family seeked multiple outside sources. I dont necessarily agree with their methods, but i also don't know enough about it to know all the considerations the family took to assume jail was where this kid belonged. Unless there is more info I don't know about?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2015, 04:56:42 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ddid-duggars-do-right-thing-about-sex-abuse-n369836 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ddid-duggars-do-right-thing-about-sex-abuse-n369836)QuoteEmily Horowitz, a sociology professor at St. Francis College in Brooklyn, said the Duggars' decision to keep law enforcement out of it at first is understandable — even defensible.
"I don't condone this behavior, but I spoke to so many families that did the 'right thing' and the reaction was so excessive and Draconian that it destroyed the lives of their children," said Horowitz, author of the new book "Protecting Our Kids: How Sex Offender Laws Are Failing."
Horowitz said that juvenile offenders are the most treatable group of sex abusers, but law enforcement is more focused on punishment, including criminal prosecution with possible jail terms and lifetime listing on a sex-offender registry.
She said Justice Department data shows that one-third of sex offenses involving children also involve underage perpetrators. The most common age, she said, is 14 — the age Josh Duggar was.
"I'm pro-punishment," Horowitz said. "I'm just not pro-Draconian, permanent punishment."
But Huizar, from the National Children's Alliance, said it's the authorities — not parents — who can best decide how an abuser should be treated.
"We need to be clear that there is a wide range of behavior we are talking about," she said.
While Duggar was accused of touching the girls, some of them when they were asleep, Huizar said she dealt with one case in which a boy repeatedly sodomized his younger brother at knifepoint. [Because that's TOTALLY the same thing... :facepalm:]
"I don't want to minimize what youths can do," she said.
She said another reason to have the police involved is that in some cases the abuser has also been molested, though there is no suggestion that was the case with Josh Duggar.
"The other thing I would say is that making a report serves as a gateway to services," she said. "In many cases, parents are not going to know where to go for those services or have any ability to pay for services."
"There are wonderful evidence-based treatments that can interrupt the cycle of behavior," she added. "But they're often not readily available in the community."
In Horowitz's view, though, the system is designed to push parents to one of two extremes: dealing with an abuse case themselves, with no help from authorities, or opening up their child to a label that may follow them for the rest of their life.
"We don't have a middle ground," she said. "And this case shows you why we have to dial back the emotion and the hysteria."
Ok, so who else besides 8man is going to put their son's fate in the hands of the government (and people like Huizar)?
What is your opinion on what should happen to somebody else's 14 year old son who molests your daughter?
Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 04, 2015, 05:19:39 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2015, 05:36:14 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2015, 05:37:10 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on June 04, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
So a 15yo hormonal boy gets pervy and decides to find out what boobies and vagina feel like, over their clothes, while his sisters are sleeping? That's what happened?
Yeah, I'd remove him from the family for a while and put him in counseling. But by all means, go ahead and claim that you'd frog march your own son right down to the police if that happened in your family...
And yeah, I can't believe the victims are upset that this molestation from over 10 years ago is being exposed now. They should be as outraged as the rest of the internet community and pressing charges against their older brother! :shakesfist:
So go ahead, raise your hand if you're driving your son to the police and jail. This will be a real hoot.
Still have not heard your game plan for the actual victims.
I don't know enough info to form a plan. Did they even know it had occurred? When did they find out? I can tell you that putting their brother in jail and labeling him a sex offender, as opposed to simply removing him from the family, does nothing more to help them and might actually harm them with the severe embarassment they're no doubt experiencing now.
If the Duggar parents actually cared about any of that they may have decided not to do a reality TV show, or run for the US Senate, or go on Arkansas radio saying gay and transgender people were a threat to people's children while they knew that all of this had gone on in their own home. The hubris is off the charts.
The fact that almost no one seems interested (maybe Megyn will get an answer) about what the Duggars actually did to support and heal their daughters is sad. Regardless of how you feel about what they did with Josh, what did they do for the victims? Anything? Did they seriously use the materials from the home school program they actively promote (and financially benefit from) which asks the victims what they may have done to provoke the abuse? If so, that is more outrageous to me than whatever they did or did not do with Josh.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2015, 06:37:19 PM
Probably time to toss the kid under the bus. Totally trash him and put as much distance between you and him as possible. Make up new revelations about him so that you can continue to appear on TV and trash him even more.
The plan is to do whatever will protect the show and the revenue stream. That is why they are selling interviews and the molestees are coming out saying they are fine with it.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2015, 07:35:43 PM
I don't think most people would know what to do with their children who sexually abuse other children. There should honestly be a guide somewhere for people like the Duggars in the future. (If there isn't already). They should be reported to police but I don't think putting them in prison for life is necessarily the right thing to do.
I think prison is a bit much, but a juvenile detention facility, with a lot of therapy, makes sense. Kids who molest their sibling should go to a foster home after that, too.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 07:37:56 PM
What is your opinion on what should happen to somebody else's 14 year old son who molests your daughter?
If it was my daughter, I'd obviously feel different. I'd want to cut his nuts off. I would not expect the parents of the girl to agree with my desire to protect my son. That doesn't mean I'm going to judge a parent too harshly for wanting to do just that. In the Duggars case, the children were both the perpetrator and victims. It's a tough place to be. None of that changes my approach.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
What is your opinion on what should happen to somebody else's 14 year old son who molests your daughter?
If it was my daughter, I'd obviously feel different. I'd want to cut his nuts off. I would not expect the parents if the girl to agree with my desire to protect my son. That doesn't mean I'm going to judge a parent too harshly for wanting to do just that. In the Duggars case, the children were both the perpetrator and victims. It's a tough place to be. None of that changes my approach.
You would have to get the son out of the house if they were both your kids. I mean you can't just expect the girl to have to live with that monster for her entire childhood.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 07:41:18 PM
I don't think most people would know what to do with their children who sexually abuse other children. There should honestly be a guide somewhere for people like the Duggars in the future. (If there isn't already). They should be reported to police but I don't think putting them in prison for life is necessarily the right thing to do.
I think prison is a bit much, but a juvenile detention facility, with a lot of therapy, makes sense. Kids who molest their sibling should go to a foster home after that, too.
See, it's really easy to say stuff like this hypothetically. I bet you wouldn't really do it though.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
What is your opinion on what should happen to somebody else's 14 year old son who molests your daughter?
If it was my daughter, I'd obviously feel different. I'd want to cut his nuts off. I would not expect the parents if the girl to agree with my desire to protect my son. That doesn't mean I'm going to judge a parent too harshly for wanting to do just that. In the Duggars case, the children were both the perpetrator and victims. It's a tough place to be. None of that changes my approach.
You would have to get the son out of the house if they were both your kids. I mean you can't just expect the girl to have to live with that monster for her entire childhood.
I already said I'd do that, for a time, with counseling. I would not put him "in the system." It is not a benevolent or rehabilitative system. It is a system filled with overzealous loons like the woman quoted in the article above comparing this case to sodomizing a child at knifepoint.
Post by: steve dave on June 04, 2015, 07:47:30 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 04, 2015, 08:05:47 PM
KSUW I'd like to know your reaction for incident 1 (I think you've described this already), 2, and 3. Also, obviously, I'd like to know the reaction for your own daughters/sons who are victims (or cousins or whatever happened here, I haven't followed outside of this thread).
What's 1 2 and 3? I think I missed something.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2015, 08:10:43 PM
The thing about kids is they're basically idiots without fully developed brains and aren't necessarily monsters. Being removed from the family and receiving treatment for a period of time is a must, but I don't think being put in the foster care system would ever be a good idea for a teenage sex offender. I think there are cases where the offender could return to the family, while other cases where they shouldn't.I don't think most people would know what to do with their children who sexually abuse other children. There should honestly be a guide somewhere for people like the Duggars in the future. (If there isn't already). They should be reported to police but I don't think putting them in prison for life is necessarily the right thing to do.
I think prison is a bit much, but a juvenile detention facility, with a lot of therapy, makes sense. Kids who molest their sibling should go to a foster home after that, too.
Post by: 8manpick on June 04, 2015, 08:27:15 PM
KSUW I'd like to know your reaction for incident 1 (I think you've described this already), 2, and 3. Also, obviously, I'd like to know the reaction for your own daughters/sons who are victims (or cousins or whatever happened here, I haven't followed outside of this thread).
What's 1 2 and 3? I think I missed something.
He was caught on three separate occasions by his parents
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
The thing about kids is they're basically idiots without fully developed brains and aren't necessarily monsters. Being removed from the family and receiving treatment for a period of time is a must, but I don't think being put in the foster care system would ever be a good idea for a teenage sex offender. I think there are cases where the offender could return to the family, while other cases where they shouldn't.I don't think most people would know what to do with their children who sexually abuse other children. There should honestly be a guide somewhere for people like the Duggars in the future. (If there isn't already). They should be reported to police but I don't think putting them in prison for life is necessarily the right thing to do.
I think prison is a bit much, but a juvenile detention facility, with a lot of therapy, makes sense. Kids who molest their sibling should go to a foster home after that, too.
That would definitely be best for the offender, but I think that would be traumatizing for the victim.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 04, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
What is your opinion on what should happen to somebody else's 14 year old son who molests your daughter?
If it was my daughter, I'd obviously feel different. I'd want to cut his nuts off. I would not expect the parents if the girl to agree with my desire to protect my son. That doesn't mean I'm going to judge a parent too harshly for wanting to do just that. In the Duggars case, the children were both the perpetrator and victims. It's a tough place to be. None of that changes my approach.
You would have to get the son out of the house if they were both your kids. I mean you can't just expect the girl to have to live with that monster for her entire childhood.
I already said I'd do that, for a time, with counseling. I would not put him "in the system." It is not a benevolent or rehabilitative system. It is a system filled with overzealous loons like the woman quoted in the article above comparing this case to sodomizing a child at knifepoint.
If that other kid's victim were just 5 years old, he wouldn't have needed a knife, either.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2015, 08:39:53 PM
Depends on the situation. Obviously the mental state of the victim should be top concern. Well, unless you're a Duggar.The thing about kids is they're basically idiots without fully developed brains and aren't necessarily monsters. Being removed from the family and receiving treatment for a period of time is a must, but I don't think being put in the foster care system would ever be a good idea for a teenage sex offender. I think there are cases where the offender could return to the family, while other cases where they shouldn't.I don't think most people would know what to do with their children who sexually abuse other children. There should honestly be a guide somewhere for people like the Duggars in the future. (If there isn't already). They should be reported to police but I don't think putting them in prison for life is necessarily the right thing to do.
I think prison is a bit much, but a juvenile detention facility, with a lot of therapy, makes sense. Kids who molest their sibling should go to a foster home after that, too.
That would definitely be best for the offender, but I think that would be traumatizing for the victim.
Post by: CNS on June 04, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 04, 2015, 08:47:00 PM
WWJD?And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Post by: sys on June 04, 2015, 08:47:40 PM
ksuw, you are misreading the article you posted. the pro public authorities woman is not comparing the duggar kid's molestations to raping a sibling at knifepoint. she's doing the exact opposite, she is providing an example of how wide the range of behaviors are that can be classified similarly legally. in her mind, this makes the point that authorities, rather than parents, are best able to choose punishments and treatments that suit the actions of a given juvenile offender.
Post by: sys on June 04, 2015, 08:49:16 PM
Depends on the situation. Obviously the mental state of the victim should be top concern. Well, unless you're a Duggar.
it's much easier for parents to craft a response that's in the best interest of all their children when the parents have no more than one child.
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
if i learned anything from years of loveline, it's that the "monsters" that molest other children are typically themselves victims of similar abuse. i doubt if this started or ended with the one kid that was caught.
ksuw, you are misreading the article you posted. the pro public authorities woman is not comparing the duggar kid's molestations to raping a sibling at knifepoint. she's doing the exact opposite, she is providing an example of how wide the range of behaviors are that can be classified similarly legally. in her mind, this makes the point that authorities, rather than parents, are best able to choose punishments and treatments that suit the actions of a given juvenile offender.
That article also brought up a great point that reporting abuse to authorities can often uncover abuse of the abuser, which is common as you've learned from love line.
Post by: Pete on June 04, 2015, 09:02:35 PM
Depends on the situation. Obviously the mental state of the victim should be top concern. Well, unless you're a Duggar.
it's much easier for parents to craft a response that's in the best interest of all their children when the parents have no more than one child.
Fair point
Post by: Pete on June 04, 2015, 09:09:08 PM
KSUW I'd like to know your reaction for incident 1 (I think you've described this already), 2, and 3. Also, obviously, I'd like to know the reaction for your own daughters/sons who are victims (or cousins or whatever happened here, I haven't followed outside of this thread).
What's 1 2 and 3? I think I missed something.
He was caught on three separate occasions by his parents
Let's give everyone a clean sheet on this.
What would YOU do on the FOURTH occasion of learning that your kid sexually molested your other kid(s)?
Maybe we can ALL come to an agreement on the best approach to addressing the FOURTH time your kid(s) get sexually molested?
Post by: 8manpick on June 04, 2015, 09:10:14 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 04, 2015, 09:33:55 PM
Post by: The Big Train on June 04, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 04, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
These are hard choices for loving people... almost as hard as Josh Duggar at a family reunion.
He won't be invited if he ends up costing them their gravy train
Post by: Headinjun on June 05, 2015, 12:10:17 AM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 05, 2015, 06:56:55 AM
I see KSU is all concerned about people being caught up in the system. I wonder if he has changed his opinion on petty drug possession crimes.
Man, I'm so excited for the answer to this question.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2015, 07:21:47 AM
I see KSU is all concerned about people being caught up in the system. I wonder if he has changed his opinion on petty drug possession crimes.
Man, I'm so excited for the answer to this question.
What was my opinion on that issue?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 05, 2015, 07:23:37 AM
I see KSU is all concerned about people being caught up in the system. I wonder if he has changed his opinion on petty drug possession crimes.
Man, I'm so excited for the answer to this question.
What was my opinion on that issue?
I have no idea. The things you say entertain me though.
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2015, 07:25:05 AM
Post by: 8manpick on June 05, 2015, 07:34:25 AM
http://extratv.com/2015/06/03/josh-duggar-police-report-reveals-multiple-acts-of-sexual-molestation/
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2015, 07:42:06 AM
I see KSU is all concerned about people being caught up in the system. I wonder if he has changed his opinion on petty drug possession crimes.
Man, I'm so excited for the answer to this question.
What was my opinion on that issue?
I have no idea. The things you say entertain me though.
I just think it's funny when people like Headinjun want to call me a hypocrite for positions they just assume I hold. But in answer to the question, I wouldn't take my son to the police for drug possession either. I'd get him some help.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2015, 07:47:09 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 05, 2015, 07:51:52 AM
Would you take your son to the police for murder?
If he murdered my daughter, yes.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on June 05, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
I see KSU is all concerned about people being caught up in the system. I wonder if he has changed his opinion on petty drug possession crimes.
Man, I'm so excited for the answer to this question.
What was my opinion on that issue?
I have no idea. The things you say entertain me though.
I just think it's funny when people like Headinjun want to call me a hypocrite for positions they just assume I hold. But in answer to the question, I wouldn't take my son to the police for drug possession either. I'd get him some help.
I think you missed the point of his post, pretty much entirely. Or at least the part I was interested in hearing about. We already know you wouldn't turn your kid into the police even if he was the son of sam. I think headinjun was wondering if you're as worried about the poor black kid that is unfairly incarcerated as you are about your son rubbing elbows with that same gentleman. At least that's how I read the question.
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 05, 2015, 09:14:04 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 05, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
what both of these posters are trying to say, ksuw, is that they think you are a terrible person.
Yeah, the funny thing is though, I'm actually a pretty good person! :gocho:
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 05, 2015, 11:01:56 AM
what both of these posters are trying to say, ksuw, is that they think you are a terrible person.
Yeah, the funny thing is though, I'm actually a pretty good person! :gocho:
you may be a fairly well-behaved person, but i do not think you are a good person.
Post by: CNS on June 05, 2015, 11:54:22 AM
The my team/your team bullshit that has developed so strongly around politics and religion is the worst.
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2015, 12:01:31 PM
FWIW, I think KSUW is a good person. If I didn't allow myself to like ppl with different views of the world than what I personally have, the world would be lonely and/or boring.
The my team/your team bullshit that has developed so strongly around politics and religion is the worst.
I think you're wrong to assume that people think he's a bad person because of his politics
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2015, 12:05:12 PM
Post by: Spracne on June 05, 2015, 12:06:37 PM
Post by: CNS on June 05, 2015, 12:22:11 PM
That's fair.FWIW, I think KSUW is a good person. If I didn't allow myself to like ppl with different views of the world than what I personally have, the world would be lonely and/or boring.
The my team/your team bullshit that has developed so strongly around politics and religion is the worst.
I think you're wrong to assume that people think he's a bad person because of his politics
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 05, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
This. Like, I really like lib^7, but man, that guys politics. :Yuck:FWIW, I think KSUW is a good person. If I didn't allow myself to like ppl with different views of the world than what I personally have, the world would be lonely and/or boring.
The my team/your team bullshit that has developed so strongly around politics and religion is the worst.
I think you're wrong to assume that people think he's a bad person because of his politics
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2015, 04:07:29 PM
Pete, it appears that it was actually 5 girls and 7 times (known about, who knows how many happened). Maybe you should ask about the 8th?
http://extratv.com/2015/06/03/josh-duggar-police-report-reveals-multiple-acts-of-sexual-molestation/
OK, EVERYONE, WE NEED YOUR SUGGESTED ACTION STEPS FOR THE EIGHTH TIME YOUR KID(S) ARE MOLESTED. TIA!
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 05, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
Pete, it appears that it was actually 5 girls and 7 times (known about, who knows how many happened). Maybe you should ask about the 8th?
http://extratv.com/2015/06/03/josh-duggar-police-report-reveals-multiple-acts-of-sexual-molestation/
OK, EVERYONE, WE NEED YOUR SUGGESTED ACTION STEPS FOR THE EIGHTH TIME YOUR KID(S) ARE MOLESTED. TIA!
murder-suicide, let the gods sort it out.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
Post by: Headinjun on June 05, 2015, 06:58:31 PM
I may be wrong though, but if I remember correctly he was very anti-legal weed. Correct me here if I'm wrong and I will apologize.
Post by: slobber on June 05, 2015, 08:55:29 PM
FWIW, I think KSUW is a good person. If I didn't allow myself to like ppl with different views of the world than what I personally have, the world would be lonely and/or boring.Great post!
The my team/your team bullshit that has developed so strongly around politics and religion is the worst.
I want to be just like CNS.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 06, 2015, 07:30:51 AM
Pete, it appears that it was actually 5 girls and 7 times (known about, who knows how many happened). Maybe you should ask about the 8th?
http://extratv.com/2015/06/03/josh-duggar-police-report-reveals-multiple-acts-of-sexual-molestation/
OK, EVERYONE, WE NEED YOUR SUGGESTED ACTION STEPS FOR THE EIGHTH TIME YOUR KID(S) ARE MOLESTED. TIA!
Drywall summer camp
Post by: Missouriscribe on June 06, 2015, 10:33:22 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 06, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
I'm 99 percent sure Jim Bob was on my flight from Michigan to Minneapolis Wednesday.
I was in the United lounge in I think Houston awhile back with that midget (little person?) that does stuff with pit bulls on TV and he had a pit bull with him. Pretty cool.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 06, 2015, 11:22:47 AM
I'm 99 percent sure Jim Bob was on my flight from Michigan to Minneapolis Wednesday.
I was in the United lounge in I think Houston awhile back with that midget (little person?) that does stuff with pit bulls on TV and he had a pit bull with him. Pretty cool.
I bet a midget can get bombed on free sapphire and tonics
Post by: Missouriscribe on June 06, 2015, 01:05:52 PM
I met Dan Rather at the Salt Lake airport once.I'm 99 percent sure Jim Bob was on my flight from Michigan to Minneapolis Wednesday.
I was in the United lounge in I think Houston awhile back with that midget (little person?) that does stuff with pit bulls on TV and he had a pit bull with him. Pretty cool.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on July 16, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
Post by: CNS on July 16, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 16, 2015, 03:00:20 PM
Post by: CNS on July 16, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2015, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2015, 06:17:31 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 18, 2015, 02:21:47 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 18, 2015, 03:15:34 PM
With less income, maybe it's time to cull the molesters out of the house?
He will be disowned
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 19, 2015, 05:21:12 PM
Post by: CNS on August 19, 2015, 06:00:33 PM
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Post by: michigancat on August 19, 2015, 06:02:58 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
this is kind of entertaining although it seems insignificant after the molestation news.
don't take so much perverse joy in this person of faith's downfall
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 20, 2015, 02:02:12 PM
Post by: CNS on August 20, 2015, 02:08:14 PM
So, does that cult believe in divorce or is Anna Duggar going to be forced to stay married to that monster?
Might as well stay married. I mean, half of what he has is probably fine, but if she just sticks it out until he goes to jail, she could have it all.
Post by: Testy Westy on August 20, 2015, 02:17:11 PM
:popcorn:
Statement from Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar:
Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, our grandchildren and our entire family.
Statement from Josh Duggar:
I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.
I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.
I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.
The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings.
As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.
I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.
Josh Duggar
Post by: steve dave on August 20, 2015, 02:21:40 PM
Post by: AbeFroman on August 20, 2015, 02:32:10 PM
Internet porn addiction
Yeah, seems like he's more sorry about that than cheating on his wife
Post by: michigancat on August 20, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
Yeah, I know trying to cheat is basically just as bad, but morality is a funny thing.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 20, 2015, 03:23:44 PM
Post by: slobber on August 20, 2015, 08:16:44 PM
Time to go to rehab #blessedWho on gE is following this on Twitter? I wouldn't want to miss the amazing turnaround.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 21, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1093249/insider-reveals-how-josh-duggars-wife-is-handling-news-of-his-indiscretions
Post by: Gooch on August 21, 2015, 10:26:08 AM
Not surprising.DNR but I'm sure it mentions praying and some other ridiculous crap.
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1093249/insider-reveals-how-josh-duggars-wife-is-handling-news-of-his-indiscretions
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 21, 2015, 10:29:24 AM
Not surprising.DNR but I'm sure it mentions praying and some other ridiculous crap.
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1093249/insider-reveals-how-josh-duggars-wife-is-handling-news-of-his-indiscretions
Yes, also that the cult community might insinuate that it is her fault.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 21, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 21, 2015, 11:31:39 AM
I've been very surprised how well Ashley Madison does? It's pretty sad.
You can't honestly be surprised by that...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 21, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
I mean, they have like a crazy amount of accounts. Like over 3 million accounts were hacked. How do these people pay for this? I mean, you don't want it showing on your bank and cc statements. I guess I'm pretty naïve, but I thought more people valued marriage a little bit more. :frown:I've been very surprised how well Ashley Madison does? It's pretty sad.
You can't honestly be surprised by that...
Post by: ChiComCat on August 21, 2015, 11:46:45 AM
I mean, they have like a crazy amount of accounts. Like over 3 million accounts were hacked. How do these people pay for this? I mean, you don't want it showing on your bank and cc statements. I guess I'm pretty naïve, but I thought more people valued marriage a little bit more. :frown:I've been very surprised how well Ashley Madison does? It's pretty sad.
You can't honestly be surprised by that...
I doubt Ashley Madison shows up on CC accounts as Ashley Madison
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 21, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
Post by: CNS on August 21, 2015, 01:19:57 PM
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Post by: OK_Cat on August 21, 2015, 04:11:14 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on August 21, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
Post by: slobber on August 22, 2015, 07:18:03 AM
Rules is rules.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 26, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
Time to go to rehab #blessed
http://www.duggarfamily.com/2015/8/duggar-family-statement
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 01:44:15 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 02:53:05 PM
Post by: SdK on August 26, 2015, 02:56:25 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 26, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
Well he only went to rehab because he got caught.
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
do you think tiger woods is any less of a sex maniac now than he was 5 years ago? i dont laugh at real people going to real rehab for real problems. i think its important. I do laugh at celebrities going to celebrity rehab for celebrity problems.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
Well he only went to rehab because he got caught.
obviously.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
its specifically the celebrity rehab formula that many people (me) find laughable. a celebrity gets caught rough ridin' up, instead of facing real consequences, they claim a disease and go to "rehab" to reset their public perceptometer.
do you think tiger woods is any less of a sex maniac now than he was 5 years ago? i dont laugh at real people going to real rehab for real problems. i think its important. I do laugh at celebrities going to celebrity rehab for celebrity problems.
Celebrities are real people
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
its specifically the celebrity rehab formula that many people (me) find laughable. a celebrity gets caught rough ridin' up, instead of facing real consequences, they claim a disease and go to "rehab" to reset their public perceptometer.
do you think tiger woods is any less of a sex maniac now than he was 5 years ago? i dont laugh at real people going to real rehab for real problems. i think its important. I do laugh at celebrities going to celebrity rehab for celebrity problems.
Celebrities are real people
it's probably a personal failing of mine that i dont agree at all.
Post by: AbeFroman on August 26, 2015, 03:09:34 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
Well he only went to rehab because he got caught.
This.
Post by: Brock Landers on August 26, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
Well he only went to rehab because he got caught.
This.
Yeah it's not that far out of line to think he's only going to rehab for image repair/damage control and to possibly get back on TV someday rather than truly attempting to heal himself.
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 03:15:03 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
sex addict thing aside, which I am certainly not convinced he is one, are any of those things rehab'able? Especially the uber religious. I mean, his rehab is going to be praying that he will eventually no longer want to lie,etc...
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 26, 2015, 03:15:50 PM
its specifically the celebrity rehab formula that many people (me) find laughable. a celebrity gets caught rough ridin' up, instead of facing real consequences, they claim a disease and go to "rehab" to reset their public perceptometer.
do you think tiger woods is any less of a sex maniac now than he was 5 years ago? i dont laugh at real people going to real rehab for real problems. i think its important. I do laugh at celebrities going to celebrity rehab for celebrity problems.
Celebrities are real people
There are a lot of people that the Duggars don't consider real people, so I think it's ok if I don't consider the Duggars as real people.
Post by: Testy Westy on August 26, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2015, 03:23:09 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 03:23:29 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
sex addict thing aside, which I am certainly not convinced he is one, are any of those things rehab'able? Especially the uber religious. I mean, his rehab is going to be praying that he will eventually no longer want to lie,etc...
I don't know that he is a sex addict or isn't. I've never met the person. I have no idea what his treatment will be like.
its specifically the celebrity rehab formula that many people (me) find laughable. a celebrity gets caught rough ridin' up, instead of facing real consequences, they claim a disease and go to "rehab" to reset their public perceptometer.
do you think tiger woods is any less of a sex maniac now than he was 5 years ago? i dont laugh at real people going to real rehab for real problems. i think its important. I do laugh at celebrities going to celebrity rehab for celebrity problems.
Celebrities are real people
There are a lot of people that the Duggars don't consider real people, so I think it's ok if I don't consider the Duggars as real people.
That's fine, but the people he is hurting (his wife and kids) are real people.
I get the eye rolling at "oh now its time for rehab". I do. And if I were to bet, I'd bet against him becoming a man of high character. The rehab or treatment probably won't change this person. Still though, I guess I'd just hope for the best.
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
So is this a real rehab facility or an adulterer's version of a "pray the gay away" camp?
yeah, lol @ calling this "rehab". "Rehab" for trying to cheat on his wife? Give me a break.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 26, 2015, 03:29:13 PM
That's fine, but the people he is hurting (his wife and kids) are real people.
Yes, and the best thing for them would be to get away from him instead of having to "forgive" him and accept him after he goes to "rehab", but in this cult that is not going to happen.
Post by: CNS on August 26, 2015, 03:31:11 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 03:33:21 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 26, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
There is scant evidence josh sugar is a good person. There is lots of evidence that he is a bad person, and a hypocrite and actively worked to marginalized, shame and ostraciZe gay people, people that have sex before marriage and wants to cut funding for access to the kind of quality sex education that may well have prevented him from repeatedly molesting his family members.
He is not a victim.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 04:11:14 PM
I've never for one second thought he was a victim
I don't think anyone is pissed he's going to rehab, either, but the continued self-righteousness and religion-clinging-to makes it more amusing than your typical philandering husband.
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Post by: Trim on August 26, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 26, 2015, 04:20:34 PM
I've never for one second thought he was a victim
When the uppance comes, it is ok to have a variety of actions. I don't take exception to yours, but I don't think "addict to rehab" formulation is a helpful description of Josh Duggar.
Post by: slobber on August 26, 2015, 04:43:51 PM
Yeah, this guy is a real piece of work. He should go to rehab when he doesn't get caught, like all of the other people in rehab. :rollseyes:why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
Well he only went to rehab because he got caught.
This.
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 26, 2015, 04:47:51 PM
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
Post by: 8manpick on August 26, 2015, 04:48:04 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 04:55:57 PM
Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2015, 04:56:40 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:01:35 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 26, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
Read that earlier today... She's a KSUKat? :sdeek:Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:15:20 PM
Read that earlier today... She's a KSUKat? :sdeek:Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
https://instagram.com/p/6oOOrcAWUc/
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 26, 2015, 05:22:27 PM
Read that earlier today... She's a KSUKat? :sdeek:Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
https://instagram.com/p/6oOOrcAWUc/
weird.
https://instagram.com/p/Sbm8vpAWfE/
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:23:04 PM
Read that earlier today... She's a KSUKat? :sdeek:Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
https://instagram.com/p/6oOOrcAWUc/
weird.
https://instagram.com/p/Sbm8vpAWfE/
wow you went waaaaay back on her instagram feed :fatty:
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 05:23:24 PM
Post by: Trim on August 26, 2015, 05:23:38 PM
Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
The same Gold Club of NBA legend?
Post by: Trim on August 26, 2015, 05:24:38 PM
Read that earlier today... She's a KSUKat? :sdeek:Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
https://instagram.com/p/6oOOrcAWUc/
weird.
https://instagram.com/p/Sbm8vpAWfE/
She's the brad essex of instaporn. She's brad essexwithjoshduggar.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 26, 2015, 05:27:25 PM
I've never for one second thought he was a victim
When the uppance comes, it is ok to have a variety of actions. I don't take exception to yours, but I don't think "addict to rehab" formulation is a helpful description of Josh Duggar.
yeah its much deeper than that.
yeah, best case is that lady leaves this loser.
I've come to this conclusion as well
Post by: Canary on August 26, 2015, 05:28:39 PM
Sex addiction :rollseyes:While I understand the trepidation, I believe this can be a real problem for some. Maybe it fits here and maybe not.
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:30:24 PM
okay i need you guys to stop tricking me into clicking a porn star's instagram at work
FWIW, the link I posted is very SFW
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 26, 2015, 05:35:37 PM
Read that earlier today... She's a KSUKat? :sdeek:Umm..go cats? Did i Luke this?
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403882-porn-star-claims-sex-twice-josh-duggar-wife-pregnant/
EMAW! To the Kelly Clarkston Thread!
https://instagram.com/p/6oOOrcAWUc/
weird.
https://instagram.com/p/Sbm8vpAWfE/
wow you went waaaaay back on her instagram feed :fatty:
It's the 4th gram she ever posted. What if I told you I started from the beginning first?
Also, what if i told you I was lying?
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 05:37:24 PM
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 05:39:17 PM
okay i need you guys to stop tricking me into clicking a porn star's instagram at work
FWIW, the link I posted is very SFW
i know, it's just the 'gram title thats got me flighty
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
I think sex rehab and the ability to be rehabilitated is a real thing. However, the question I have is that if he thinks he is a sex addict why would he go to sex rehab after he is caught on a website for consenting adults but not when he was caught raping kids?He got caught publicly this time.
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 26, 2015, 05:43:27 PM
those are obviously two completely different things
Yeah one is something you should get treatment for because it's a sickness, the other is consensual sex.
Post by: puniraptor on August 26, 2015, 06:19:21 PM
Post by: slobber on August 26, 2015, 07:17:59 PM
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
Post by: slobber on August 26, 2015, 07:35:57 PM
can he not be saved?I know you are mocking my beliefs, but I will still answer
That is between him and God. In my book, he is an bad person.
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Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 07:40:31 PM
i actually wasnt in this case, i was just asking from a religious side
Post by: slobber on August 26, 2015, 07:43:34 PM
now you are making me feel like a bad person :frown:not my intent to make you feel bad. God can save anyone.
i actually wasnt in this case, i was just asking from a religious side
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Post by: Bloodfart on August 26, 2015, 08:41:19 PM
now you are making me feel like a bad person :frown:not my intent to make you feel bad. God can save anyone.
i actually wasnt in this case, i was just asking from a religious side
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Most of the time that person has to want to be saved and be truly sorry for what they have done wrong in order to be saved. I don't get that repentant type of attitude in this case. I think he does feel ashamed hence the rehab sesh. Who knows though
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
now you are making me feel like a bad person :frown:not my intent to make you feel bad. God can save anyone.
i actually wasnt in this case, i was just asking from a religious side
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Most of the time that person has to want to be saved and be truly sorry for what they have done wrong in order to be saved. I don't get that repentant type of attitude in this case. I think he does feel ashamed hence the rehab sesh. Who knows though
so this brings up my point, where does it say how he judges in this case, because this looks like a split decision. granted slobber didnt give a long answer
Post by: nicname on August 26, 2015, 08:50:53 PM
now you are making me feel like a bad person :frown:not my intent to make you feel bad. God can save anyone.
i actually wasnt in this case, i was just asking from a religious side
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Most of the time that person has to want to be saved and be truly sorry for what they have done wrong in order to be saved. I don't get that repentant type of attitude in this case. I think he does feel ashamed hence the rehab sesh. Who knows though
so this brings up my point, where does it say how he judges in this case, because this looks like a split decision. granted slobber didnt give a long answer
FUN FACT: Pretty sure priests having consensual relations with women is worse, by Canon Law, than priests diddling kids.
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
Post by: Bloodfart on August 26, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
now you are making me feel like a bad person :frown:not my intent to make you feel bad. God can save anyone.
i actually wasnt in this case, i was just asking from a religious side
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Most of the time that person has to want to be saved and be truly sorry for what they have done wrong in order to be saved. I don't get that repentant type of attitude in this case. I think he does feel ashamed hence the rehab sesh. Who knows though
so this brings up my point, where does it say how he judges in this case, because this looks like a split decision. granted slobber didnt give a long answer
FUN FACT: Pretty sure priests having consensual relations with women is worse, by Canon Law, than priests diddling kids.
One of many quandaries in this world like the whereabouts of your phone for example.
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 09:14:50 PM
Post by: Bloodfart on August 26, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=30687.0
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 09:33:54 PM
I mean I don't think you meant that, but it could have been phrased differently I think
Post by: Bloodfart on August 26, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
Every story I've ever been told, read about, or watched on TV in regards to priest misconduct turns my stomach. I have been furious about how the church handled it. Contemplated leaving the church but I still believe in what Jesus taught. The leaders of the church have mumped up but the teachings that the church are founded on are still valid. Which is why I am still practicing my faith. I can explain my views further if you have more questions but that pretty much sums it up.
Post by: Canary on August 26, 2015, 10:05:06 PM
My post doesn't say that in any way. If you need to hear my opinion on the matter then here goes.Well-stated, man.
Every story I've ever been told, read about, or watched on TV in regards to priest misconduct turns my stomach. I have been furious about how the church handled it. Contemplated leaving the church but I still believe in what Jesus taught. The leaders of the church have mumped up but the teachings that the church are founded on are still valid. Which is why I am still practicing my faith. I can explain my views further if you have more questions but that pretty much sums it up.
Post by: The Big Train on August 26, 2015, 10:06:19 PM
Post by: SdK on August 26, 2015, 10:37:34 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 26, 2015, 11:45:23 PM
My post doesn't say that in any way. If you need to hear my opinion on the matter then here goes.
Every story I've ever been told, read about, or watched on TV in regards to priest misconduct turns my stomach. I have been furious about how the church handled it. Contemplated leaving the church but I still believe in what Jesus taught. The leaders of the church have mumped up but the teachings that the church are founded on are still valid. Which is why I am still practicing my faith. I can explain my views further if you have more questions but that pretty much sums it up.
this guy's name is bloodfart :lol:
Post by: Bloodfart on August 27, 2015, 12:23:53 AM
Post by: Bloodfart on August 27, 2015, 12:25:54 AM
Show, show me prove. You know, I show you.
This good you guys, REAL GOOD. :thumbsup:
Post by: Bloodfart on August 27, 2015, 12:40:56 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 27, 2015, 08:47:38 AM
why would you laugh at someone who is going to rehab? I mean, its obvious the guy is a compulsive liar, possibly a sex addict, an ego maniac, and probably a bunch of other things. the entire quest for celebrity with that bunch repulses me, but him going to rehab is the only part of this ordeal that doesn't piss me off
maybe don't drop a press release about going to rehab?
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2015, 08:58:13 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on August 27, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
In reality, all he probably has to do to accomplish this rehab reset is to announce the rehab, then just go chill on vacation somewhere unknown for a month. I mean, as long as he doesn't get his pic snapped, no one would even know.
Yeah, he could go on vacation to one of those Hedonism resorts.
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2015, 09:05:52 AM
http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944
In a strange way, it's very sad.
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2015, 09:46:38 AM
This isn't that surprising and doesn't necessarily belong here, but here it is anyway:In reality, this one revelation is going to be what ends AM. Not the hack, nor the percentage of d00ds to ladies.
http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944
In a strange way, it's very sad.
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Post by: CNS on August 27, 2015, 09:47:00 AM
Win/winIn reality, all he probably has to do to accomplish this rehab reset is to announce the rehab, then just go chill on vacation somewhere unknown for a month. I mean, as long as he doesn't get his pic snapped, no one would even know.
Yeah, he could go on vacation to one of those Hedonism resorts.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 28, 2015, 01:30:40 PM