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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on November 14, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
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good job everyone.
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Congrats :bball:
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 34 0.81 47.9% 29.0% 31.3% 58.3%
Opp 34 0.67 34.6% 31.9% 31.3% 26.9%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 35 1.33 59.3% 20.3% 53.8% 66.7%
Opp 35 1.10 47.6% 23.2% 41.7% 104.8%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 69 1.06 53.9% 24.5% 41.4% 62.7%
Opp 69 0.88 40.4% 27.3% 35.7% 61.7%
More JYC-ish, still a long way to go.
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Surprised how much Frank cut down the rotation, mainly stuck with 6 guys.
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Surprised how much Frank cut down the rotation, mainly stuck with 6 guys.
Good sign Frank admits the margin of error with this team is quite small. a immoral loss would be disaster for ncaa hopes
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Surprised how much Frank cut down the rotation, mainly stuck with 6 guys.
Good sign Frank admits the margin of error with this team is quite small. a immoral loss would be disaster for ncaa hopes
Yeah, we need Samuals back badly. And I hope he really is better.
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Surprised how much Frank cut down the rotation, mainly stuck with 6 guys.
Good sign Frank admits the margin of error with this team is quite small. a immoral loss would be disaster for ncaa hopes
Or a sign that two starters are out and he wasn't particularly pleased how others are practicing. There's no such thing as a disastrous loss for NCAA hopes in November. Two years ago Syracuse lost to D2 Lemoyne they went into the tournament as favorites with KU. Last year Butler lost to Evansville in November. There of examples every year of good teams with bad losses in November. This isn't football.
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
He's essentially had a double double each game, what are you expecting?
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
He's essentially had a double double each game, what are you expecting?
More than 5 shots per game. :dunno:
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I hope Avercamp and his elbows get in a head on collision on the bus ride back to Loyola. mongoloid wannabe psycho T-lite
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Surprised how much Frank cut down the rotation, mainly stuck with 6 guys.
Good sign Frank admits the margin of error with this team is quite small. a immoral loss would be disaster for ncaa hopes
Or a sign that two starters are out and he wasn't particularly pleased how others are practicing. There's no such thing as a disastrous loss for NCAA hopes in November. Two years ago Syracuse lost to D2 Lemoyne they went into the tournament as favorites with KU. Last year Butler lost to Evansville in November. There of examples every year of good teams with bad losses in November. This isn't football.
Those are example of good teams with bad losses. We aren't good, so we can't afford bad losses. To a certain extent you are correct, because good non-con wins are more important than bad losses.
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The pt is that a single bad loss doesn't kill you like it does in football. Syracuse and Butler were both good teams that overcame bad losses and still had good seeds. A team like ours could still take a bad loss and wind up in the tourney as a lower seed though.
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The pt is that a single bad loss doesn't kill you like it does in football. Syracuse and Butler were both good teams that overcame bad losses and still had good seeds. A team like ours could still take a bad loss and wind up in the tourney as a lower seed though.
I'm pretty sure that Syracuse loss was exhibition, though.
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The pt is that a single bad loss doesn't kill you like it does in football. Syracuse and Butler were both good teams that overcame bad losses and still had good seeds. A team like ours could still take a bad loss and wind up in the tourney as a lower seed though.
I'm pretty sure that Syracuse loss was exhibition, though.
The pt is that a single bad loss doesn't kill you
Yeah I'm aware Lemoyne was an exhibition, I did point out they are a D2. The sake people who think a game in November matters are the same who would think a D2 loss would he held against a team in the selection room. If you are on the bubble you have double digit losses, pointing to one in November would be dumb.
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I knew this was a fatty thread just from the title
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
He's essentially had a double double each game, what are you expecting?
More than 5 shots per game. :dunno:
JFC really? A double double isn't enough for you? I will be ecstatic if he can average a double double for the whole year.
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
He's essentially had a double double each game, what are you expecting?
More than 5 shots per game. :dunno:
JFC really? A double double isn't enough for you? I will be ecstatic if he can average a double double for the whole year.
yes
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
He's essentially had a double double each game, what are you expecting?
More than 5 shots per game. :dunno:
JFC really? A double double isn't enough for you? I will be ecstatic if he can average a double double for the whole year.
I'm not sure that I want to see the kinds of shots JO would take if he's up to ten shots a game. Not yet at least.
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I love it when JO drives down the lane for a dunk, even when he misses it.
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LMAO at anyone thinking November basketball can make or break your NCAA tourney chances. Did the last four seasons of the KSU Cats teach you people nothing?
Never mind. Don't answer that. It's obvious they didn't.
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LMAO at anyone thinking November basketball can make or break your NCAA tourney chances. Did the last four seasons of the KSU Cats teach you people nothing?
This is 100% accurate only if you're in a BCS conf.
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LMAO at anyone thinking November basketball can make or break your NCAA tourney chances. Did the last four seasons of the KSU Cats teach you people nothing?
Never mind. Don't answer that. It's obvious they didn't.
Uhhh... yeah, we nearly missed the tournament with Beasley because of a shitty non-con and we did miss it when Pullen was a soph because of shitty non-con.
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LMAO at anyone thinking November basketball can make or break your NCAA tourney chances. Did the last four seasons of the KSU Cats teach you people nothing?
Never mind. Don't answer that. It's obvious they didn't.
Uhhh... yeah, we nearly missed the tournament with Beasley because of a shitty non-con and we did miss it when Pullen was a soph because of shitty non-con.
We lost three early season games in 08-09 and had five bad losses. Of course if you completely crap the bed in the non con you can get buried. I thought it was pretty obvious that we were referring to the notion that one or even two early season losses can cost you anything.
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LMAO at anyone thinking November basketball can make or break your NCAA tourney chances. Did the last four seasons of the KSU Cats teach you people nothing?
Never mind. Don't answer that. It's obvious they didn't.
Uhhh... yeah, we nearly missed the tournament with Beasley because of a shitty non-con and we did miss it when Pullen was a soph because of shitty non-con.
Dear dumbass,
KSU's NCAA tournament status was not decided by December 1 either of those years. Plenty of opportunities for quality wins in February and March that were pissed away both of those seasons that could have made KSU NCAA locks. Please try to keep up.
Love,
Michigancat
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shitty non-con loss won't really affect NCAA placement. probably true.
But, what's the point? That we shouldn't be concerned about shitty non-con performances? Sure, there are teams that lost to bad teams early and turned out great. But, for a lot of teams, garbage non-con is a precursor for the rest of the season.
Should WVU be concerned? exhibition loss, kent state loss, 7pt win over Oral Roberts?
We may be fine. who knows. but, JYCs are giving us every reason to be concerned...
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shitty non-con loss won't really affect NCAA placement. probably true.
But, what's the point? That we shouldn't be concerned about shitty non-con performances? Sure, there are teams that lost to bad teams early and turned out great. But, for a lot of teams, garbage non-con is a precursor for the rest of the season.
Should WVU be concerned? exhibition loss, kent state loss, 7pt win over Oral Roberts?
We may be fine. who knows. but, JYCs are giving us every reason to be concerned...
It's one thing to be concerned about the strength of the team and a completely different thing to declare a *BCS* team out of the NCAA tournament in November.
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November 16, 2011: K-State will not be in the NCAA tournament.
boom, roasted.
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If there is anything I have learned from being a combo fan, it's that the first game/games won't determine the rest of the season.
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November 16, 2011: K-State will not be in the NCAA tournament.
boom, roasted.
If you thought that before the season, it makes a lot of sense. If you previously thought this was an NCAA team before the season and the last two games changed your mind...well, you're kind of stupid.
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wow, what a backtrack.
backtrack defined. :lol:
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November 16, 2011: K-State will not be in the NCAA tournament.
boom, roasted.
If you thought that before the season, it makes a lot of sense. If you previously thought this was an NCAA team before the season and the last two games changed your mind...well, you're kind of stupid.
Yes, Kansas State plays horribly in the non-con. Usually because of Frank Martin's jedi substitution tricks. I thought this team would be a bubble team, and I still do.
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Is it possible that we'd be a better team in March if we didn't suck through November-December?
Also, isn't the mark of a good program establishing a threshold level of quality, instead of regressing and starting from square one every single year?
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Is it possible that we'd be a better team in March if we didn't suck through November-December?
It's also possible that we wouldn't be a better team in March.
Also, isn't the mark of a good program establishing a threshold level of quality, instead of regressing and starting from square one every single year?
I think the mark of a good program is final conference finish combined with postseason performance. Looking pretty in November is just a "nice to have" kind of thing.
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phog.net is very mean when we aren't good in November. really gets our posters down.
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phog.net is very mean when we aren't good in November. really gets our posters down.
Yes, phog.net has a remarkable influence on our posters. Hopefully their UK performance will shut their jayhawk traps for a while.
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love the frank apoligists. absolutely beautiful work guys.
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love the frank apoligists. absolutely beautiful work guys.
well, speak of the devil, here's tomclams now!
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love the frank apoligists. absolutely beautiful work guys.
:sdeek: wait, 'clams, dax, and zacker are all the same person?
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everything frank does is the right thing!
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frank 4 pres :cool:
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I like frank. I just don't like that we have to suck for the 1st half of every season. Part of being a fan is enjoyment from watching good basketball. At KSU, we get this enjoyment about 50% of the time. Why not 90% of the time?
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I like frank. I just don't like that we have to suck for the 1st half of every season. Part of being a fan is enjoyment from watching good basketball. At KSU, we get this enjoyment about 50% of the time. Why not 90% of the time?
KSU has lost 4 games in the last three seasons in November and December. One of those was to Duke and one was the CK/Pullen suspension game. I guess you're just looking for more style points? :ck:
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i am. why is that bad?
we've had this same discussion for the last 6 novembers.
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i am. why is that bad?
not bad, just irrelevant. Unless you're worried about phog.net being mean.
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Alotta teams struggle early. At least we haven't lost like others..WV, Pittsburgh, UCLA, etc.
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KSU has lost 4 games in the last three seasons in November and December. One of those was to Duke and one was the CK/Pullen suspension game. I guess you're just looking for more style points? :ck:
I'm not looking for style points. I'm looking for consistency.
We are a terribly inconsistent team. I wish we weren't. That's all.
I like Frank. I like the results in March. But, I'm a season ticket holder. Why the eff should I have to sit through 2 months of garbage basketball before our players "see the light" or "buy in"?
On the flip side, it is highly possible that our March performances are due to the adversity we experience in the non-con. Or maybe not. I dunno. I just know it's ugly.
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I bet if we'd blow out these loser teams phog.net would eat a lot of crow...A LOT.
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I bet if we'd blow out these loser teams phog.net would eat a lot of crow...A LOT.
Nice red herring.
Sue me. I pay money to be entertained. I don't find 15-point deficits to Charleston Southern entertaining. In fact, I find it boring.
I would much rather watch my millionaire coach, coach his rough ridin' players so that we win by 30 and the fans aren't literally sleeping in the stands.
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If you're sleeping in the stands during a close game, your not a fan.
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I wasn't sleeping. I was sipping a cocktail in the donor's lounge. Oh wait, we don't have one....
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KSU has lost 4 games in the last three seasons in November and December. One of those was to Duke and one was the CK/Pullen suspension game. I guess you're just looking for more style points? :ck:
I'm not looking for style points. I'm looking for consistency.
We are a terribly inconsistent team. I wish we weren't. That's all.
I like Frank. I like the results in March. But, I'm a season ticket holder. Why the eff should I have to sit through 2 months of garbage basketball before our players "see the light" or "buy in"?
On the flip side, it is highly possible that our March performances are due to the adversity we experience in the non-con. Or maybe not. I dunno. I just know it's ugly.
don't buy tickets if you don't like it.
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I wasn't sleeping. I was sipping a cocktail in the donor's lounge. Oh wait, we don't have one....
pounding warm domestics in the Legend room is available
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.
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don't buy tickets if you don't like it.
Well, that would be the easy option. The option that about 5,000 fans choose for every non-con game. You know, those games where Frank calls out the fans for "sleeping"??
They're bored out of their mind and so they stay home and watch X FActor. Can't really blame em if that's the product Frank's content marching out onto the floor.
I choose the option of attending the games even though I don't like what I see in some games. I just hope that Frank changes his ways. That's all.
If you want butts in the seats for the non-con, schedule really good teams or **bear with me here** play really good basketball.
If you play like crap against shitty teams, don't be surprised when the average fan doesn't come back out to the Octagon.
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I wasn't sleeping. I was sipping a cocktail in the donor's lounge. Oh wait, we don't have one....
pounding warm domestics in the Legend room is available
Yup. if you donate +5K a year.
We should have a club that caters to all other donors.
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
I think KSU going .500 in conference is about right.
don't buy tickets if you don't like it.
Well, that would be the easy option. The option that about 5,000 fans choose for every non-con game. You know, those games where Frank calls out the fans for "sleeping"??
They're bored out of their mind and so they stay home and watch X FActor. Can't really blame em if that's the product Frank's content marching out onto the floor.
I choose the option of attending the games even though I don't like what I see in some games. I just hope that Frank changes his ways. That's all.
If you want butts in the seats for the non-con, schedule really good teams or **bear with me here** play really good basketball.
If you play like crap against shitty teams, don't be surprised when the average fan doesn't come back out to the Octagon.
Would you really be more entertained if KSU won by 50 Monday night? I guess you might, because you're kind of a corncob. I just don't think any games against shitty teams are particularly interesting.
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wow. another stupid bball board argument. #teamangel :jerk:
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.
completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.
completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.
i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.
completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.
i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.
I took the 7-6 in the OOC as a bit of hyperbole (<---I don't exactly know what that word means, but it seems like to should fit).
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Would you really be more entertained if KSU won by 50 Monday night?
Yeah, I would be much more entertained. Because you don't beat another DI team by 50 unless you are playing awfully good basketball on both of ends of the floor. Conversely, you're not in a dog fight with teams like CSU and Loyola unless you're playing awful basketball on both ends of the floor.
So, to be clear. Good basketball = entertaining. Bad basketball = not entertaining.
Don't equte it with wins and losses. A team can look very good in a loss and very bad in a win. I just want us to look good to very good whether we win or lose. Give me some consistent, fundamental basketball.
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Don't equte it with wins and losses. A team can look very good in a loss and very bad in a win. I just want us to look good to very good whether we win or lose. Give me some consistent, fundamental basketball.
Sounds miserable. "Yeah, I know we lost, but god dammit, our bounce passes were crisp!"
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.
completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.
i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.
I took the 7-6 in the OOC as a bit of hyperbole (<---I don't exactly know what that word means, but it seems like to should fit).
and it was meant as hyperbole, but the truth is we won't be much better than that.
also, *Pro TiP*- there isn't a chance in hell this team goes .500 in conference.
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The problem is that 1% of our fans would know good basketball if they saw it. Neither would your enemies on the phog.
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Sounds miserable. "Yeah, I know we lost, but god dammit, our bounce passes were crisp!"
A loss is a loss. Some are easier to accept than others, though. pretty easy premise for nonretards.
Take the football team as an example. I wasn't as upset with the OSU loss as I was with the OU loss. Or, I wasn't as upset with the Elite 8 loss to Butler as I was with the 30 point loss to Xavier a few years ago.
PS. this is also miserable - "Yeah, I know we barely beat CSU, and we looked like meat dicks for 38 minutes, but that's just Frank being Frank!" **chuckles and slaps buddy on the back while exiting OOD**
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This argument is ridiculous. It is pretty apparent that A LOT of teams struggle at the beginning of the year (West Virginia, Pittsburg, crap even Okie St). It's the first competitive games these kids have played together as a team, they're not going to magically be amazing.
I would rather have a not so good November team, and an awesome March team under Frank; than the not so good all year team that we had consistently before Frank.
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I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with. It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something. (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough". meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football. eff OFF.
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I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with. It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something. (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough". meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football. eff OFF.
:thumbsup:
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i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball. this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.
i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. :lol:
it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.
completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.
i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.
I took the 7-6 in the OOC as a bit of hyperbole (<---I don't exactly know what that word means, but it seems like to should fit).
and it was meant as hyperbole, but the truth is we won't be much better than that.
also, *Pro TiP*- there isn't a chance in hell this team goes .500 in conference.
i don't disagree on the "much better than that". i do disagree on the chance in hell about .500. i think it's very possible. unless this is another hyperbole... in which case i just give up and declare you the victor of "kstate bball hyperboles" that other kstate fans don't "get".
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I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with. It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something. (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough". meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football. eff OFF.
No, we just care more about ksu than you do. We aren't content with mediocrity and anything but excellence pisses us off.
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Would you really be more entertained if KSU won by 50 Monday night?
Yeah, I would be much more entertained. Because you don't beat another DI team by 50 unless you are playing awfully good basketball on both of ends of the floor. Conversely, you're not in a dog fight with teams like CSU and Loyola unless you're playing awful basketball on both ends of the floor.
So, to be clear. Good basketball = entertaining. Bad basketball = not entertaining.
Don't equte it with wins and losses. A team can look very good in a loss and very bad in a win. I just want us to look good to very good whether we win or lose. Give me some consistent, fundamental basketball.
I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.
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I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with. It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something. (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough". meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football. eff OFF.
this was probably the whiniest post in this thread.
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I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.
How many games do you attend per year?
In my experience, it's not very entertaining to rush out of work on weekdays, drive 1.5 hours to manhattan from KC and watch Jeremy jones learn how to play basketball. Or, to drive up and watch Frank not coach the team for an entire half against charleston southern.
I guess could understand ur position if I was just a casual, non paying fan who reads about the games on the Internet.
Again, I expect some hiccups and growing pains. I guess I just didn't expect that 5 years into martins program, we'd still be suffering from the same level of non-con ineptitude. I guess I'm wrong. And I guess I should just accept it and be happy.
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I don't attend any, but I make time to watch them. And my time is very valuable. :kstategrad:
Personally, I think it's silly to drive 1.5 hours to watch KSU play a team from the SWAC or DII on a regular basis. Even if they look really really good.
And based on Frank's fondness of running off players, you shouldn't expect his teams to look refined in November, even though it's year five. *Note: Frank's fondness of running off players (and not replacing them with anyone better than a shitty juco) bugs me way more than the way his teams look in November. I mean, he honestly does have a shitload of youth every year (and it's his fault).
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I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.
I didn't enjoy the post-Beasley year. I didn't enjoy watching that team develop from an awful team to an average team...which is what this season will be, imo.
And based on Frank's fondness of running off players, you shouldn't expect his teams to look refined in November, even though it's year five. *Note: Frank's fondness of running off players (and not replacing them with anyone better than a shitty juco) bugs me way more than the way his teams look in November. I mean, he honestly does have a shitload of youth every year (and it's his fault).
This. My resentment/anger comes from Frank's way of doing things which leads to this sh*t basketball. He reinvents the f*cking wheel every year, almost by design, which is absurd. I'm burnt out by it already.
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yeah, Frank's handling of the roster is nerve wracking
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I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.
I didn't enjoy the post-Beasley year. I didn't enjoy watching that team develop from an awful team to an average team...which is what this season will be, imo.
I enjoyed that season a lot. Going from awful to a top 4 Big 12 finish was great. I would have liked more, but they definitely exceeded expectations.
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I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.
I didn't enjoy the post-Beasley year. I didn't enjoy watching that team develop from an awful team to an average team...which is what this season will be, imo.
I enjoyed that season a lot. Going from awful to a top 4 Big 12 finish was great. I would have liked more, but they definitely exceeded expectations.
Darren Kent was a joy to watch that year. What a story.
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i haven't watched any 2011 cat hoops yet, but it seems to me like the first two games were pretty exciting.
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I don't attend any, but I make time to watch them. And my time is very valuable. :kstategrad:
Personally, I think it's silly to drive 1.5 hours to watch KSU play a team from the SWAC or DII on a regular basis. Even if they look really really good.
And based on Frank's fondness of running off players, you shouldn't expect his teams to look refined in November, even though it's year five. *Note: Frank's fondness of running off players (and not replacing them with anyone better than a shitty juco) bugs me way more than the way his teams look in November. I mean, he honestly does have a shitload of youth every year (and it's his fault).
you're both kind of right. you guys get that, don't you?
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yeah, I do.
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apparently the frankoligists would rather win ugly than just be good and look good. interesting take, f'ologists, very interesting indeed.
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you know who looks/wins pretty? KU. source: phog.net
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very interesting take, steve_gerald
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yeah, Frank's handling of the roster is nerve wracking
not giving 95 a scholly so he can give one to this James Watson character (especially if it is only a couple of months) was a significant withdraw from my love bank for Frank
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I always just kinda look at the early season games against scrub teams as similar to preseason NFL games. Frank has to get the young/new guys some PT and try to figure out what roles each will play and what rotations he will use. If Frank did that crap against the Va Techs, Bamas, or GWUs, I'd be pissed but he usually just does it against the UMES types. I'm not all that worried or surprised by Frank's decisions in November/December. :dunno:
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I always just kinda look at the early season games against scrub teams as similar to preseason NFL games. Frank has to get the young/new guys some PT and try to figure out what roles each will play and what rotations he will use. If Frank did that crap against the Va Techs, Bamas, or GWUs, I'd be pissed but he usually just does it against the UMES types. I'm not all that worried or surprised by Frank's decisions in November/December. :dunno:
Yup, because once we play the good teams, in will come the good players. Oh wait.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
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I don't attend any, but I make time to watch them. And my time is very valuable. :kstategrad:
Personally, I think it's silly to drive 1.5 hours to watch KSU play a team from the SWAC or DII on a regular basis. Even if they look really really good.
And based on Frank's fondness of running off players, you shouldn't expect his teams to look refined in November, even though it's year five. *Note: Frank's fondness of running off players (and not replacing them with anyone better than a shitty juco) bugs me way more than the way his teams look in November. I mean, he honestly does have a shitload of youth every year (and it's his fault).
you're both kind of right. you guys get that, don't you?
Yeah, no. One person is faulting someone else about a personal choice he is making.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
you absolutely cannot make posts like this. i get the minority "chip on shoulder" aspect of things, but man.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
you absolutely cannot make posts like this. i get the minority "chip on shoulder" aspect of things, but man.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
you absolutely cannot make posts like this. i get the minority "chip on shoulder" aspect of things, but man.
:lol:
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I don't attend any, but I make time to watch them. And my time is very valuable. :kstategrad:
Personally, I think it's silly to drive 1.5 hours to watch KSU play a team from the SWAC or DII on a regular basis. Even if they look really really good.
And based on Frank's fondness of running off players, you shouldn't expect his teams to look refined in November, even though it's year five. *Note: Frank's fondness of running off players (and not replacing them with anyone better than a shitty juco) bugs me way more than the way his teams look in November. I mean, he honestly does have a shitload of youth every year (and it's his fault).
you're both kind of right. you guys get that, don't you?
Yeah, no. One person is faulting someone else about a personal choice he is making.
well i don't know about that.
i do know that the game on monday was kind of a snooze fest, which is a point he was trying to make and one that i agree with, so it looks like my orginal statement was correct afterall.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
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Look, I get the internet tough guy meme. But tough guy doesn't have to be synonomous with dumbass.
My point is pretty simple. And if you weren't being intentionally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), I think you'd probably get it. I don't expect to win every game. And I don't think that slow starts will ruin our post-season chances.
I just think it's possible that we could be better prepared to play basketball in the non-con. I think that in year 5 of Martin's program, we could and should be a bit more disciplined and fundamentally sound. And I think a lot of that comes from the coach.
If you don't want CSU to go on a 25-2 run going into halftime, maybe you should tweak the lineup or the offense. Maybe a lineup of Jeremy Jones, Martavious Irving, Vic Ojeley, Omare Lawrence, and Thomas Gipson isn't a sensible combination.
Again, I don't care if we win by 50 points or 5 points. I just want to watch a good, entertaining game of basketball that is well-played on both ends of the floor. And, yes, I consider up-tempo, aggressive JYC performances "well-played" basketball. Just seems, IMO, that quality basketball is a foreign concept in too much of our non-con. I don't think it has to be this way every year. I think our teams can be better prepared to perform. What will our excuse be next year, when we return the entire team?
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Look, I get the internet tough guy meme. But tough guy doesn't have to be synonomous with dumbass.
My point is pretty simple. And if you weren't being intentionally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), I think you'd probably get it. I don't expect to win every game. And I don't think that slow starts will ruin our post-season chances.
I just think it's possible that we could be better prepared to play basketball in the non-con. I think that in year 5 of Martin's program, we could and should be a bit more disciplined and fundamentally sound. And I think a lot of that comes from the coach.
If you don't want CSU to go on a 25-2 run going into halftime, maybe you should tweak the lineup or the offense. Maybe a lineup of Jeremy Jones, Martavious Irving, Vic Ojeley, Omare Lawrence, and Thomas Gipson isn't a sensible combination.
Again, I don't care if we win by 50 points or 5 points. I just want to watch a good, entertaining game of basketball that is well-played on both ends of the floor. And, yes, I consider up-tempo, aggressive JYC performances "well-played" basketball. Just seems, IMO, that quality basketball is a foreign concept in too much of our non-con. I don't think it has to be this way every year. I think our teams can be better prepared to perform. What will our excuse be next year, when we return the entire team?
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I also don't think Frank is going to change. He's going to throw different guys out there in a lot of these early season games and bad teams will play with us. He's going to take flyers on some his recruits and he uses these to see if they really fit. Now, you'd expect less of this the longer he coaches b/c I'd hope recruits and players have figured Frank out, but I don't know how much you can figure Frank out until you get here and play for him. He's just a very unique coach in how he does things and I think part of his method will often lead to this kind of bad basketball early in seasons. As long as he wins in Jan/Feb/Mar fans will put up with it for the most part.
And odds are we won't return the entire team.
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Look, I get the internet tough guy meme. But tough guy doesn't have to be synonomous with dumbass.
My point is pretty simple. And if you weren't being intentionally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), I think you'd probably get it. I don't expect to win every game. And I don't think that slow starts will ruin our post-season chances.
I just think it's possible that we could be better prepared to play basketball in the non-con. I think that in year 5 of Martin's program, we could and should be a bit more disciplined and fundamentally sound. And I think a lot of that comes from the coach.
If you don't want CSU to go on a 25-2 run going into halftime, maybe you should tweak the lineup or the offense. Maybe a lineup of Jeremy Jones, Martavious Irving, Vic Ojeley, Omare Lawrence, and Thomas Gipson isn't a sensible combination.
Again, I don't care if we win by 50 points or 5 points. I just want to watch a good, entertaining game of basketball that is well-played on both ends of the floor. And, yes, I consider up-tempo, aggressive JYC performances "well-played" basketball. Just seems, IMO, that quality basketball is a foreign concept in too much of our non-con. I don't think it has to be this way every year. I think our teams can be better prepared to perform. What will our excuse be next year, when we return the entire team?
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You know how I know you're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? Because you think our entire team will return next year. Dumbass
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Yeah, as long as we keep getting the roster turn over and as long as Frank prefers the JYC style of play, nothing will change.
I personally like what is going on. I enjoy watching these tryouts. I also enjoy the crap out of conf ball under Frank.
Also, can you imagine how bored we would be with a diff coach? I mean, Frank's macro results have been pretty damn good considering, and we get to watch Frank being Frank which is like having a BB game going on at the same time as a reality TV show. Pretty fantastic stuff. That said, I would love more high-'cruits and more wins, but all fan bases can say that.
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I would also like to say that I have really enjoyed the evolution of "Frank Apologists" throughout this thread.
Great work 'clams.
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I personally like what is going on. I enjoy watching these tryouts. I also enjoy the crap out of conf ball under Frank.
Tryouts is a great way to put it. Long stretches with odd/bad lineups against shitty competition is a better use of those horrible games than playing the best possible lineup and winning by 50.
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I would also like to say that I have really enjoyed the evolution of "Frank Apologists" throughout this thread.
Great work 'clams.
i love threads like these when i get to channel my inner-dax. we all have one.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
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Look, I get the internet tough guy meme. But tough guy doesn't have to be synonomous with dumbass.
My point is pretty simple. And if you weren't being intentionally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), I think you'd probably get it. I don't expect to win every game. And I don't think that slow starts will ruin our post-season chances.
I just think it's possible that we could be better prepared to play basketball in the non-con. I think that in year 5 of Martin's program, we could and should be a bit more disciplined and fundamentally sound. And I think a lot of that comes from the coach.
If you don't want CSU to go on a 25-2 run going into halftime, maybe you should tweak the lineup or the offense. Maybe a lineup of Jeremy Jones, Martavious Irving, Vic Ojeley, Omare Lawrence, and Thomas Gipson isn't a sensible combination.
Again, I don't care if we win by 50 points or 5 points. I just want to watch a good, entertaining game of basketball that is well-played on both ends of the floor. And, yes, I consider up-tempo, aggressive JYC performances "well-played" basketball. Just seems, IMO, that quality basketball is a foreign concept in too much of our non-con. I don't think it has to be this way every year. I think our teams can be better prepared to perform. What will our excuse be next year, when we return the entire team?
I'm absolutely not an internet tough guy, I'm praying you go to MOAP 2.5 where you will inevitably say something stupid and so I can tell you to your face how stupid it is.
You don't understand that Frank is sacrificing your November fun and joy for February success, it has happened literally every single year. So either you are too dumb to understand, too selfish to spare us the unnecessary whining or both. This extended temper tantrum you are throwing over a 2-0 basketball team that will play nearly 35 games is embarrassing. You're talking about tweaking lineups and the such, what in the hell do you think he is using these games for? Yes we look like crap, I'm stunned why anyone would think it matters at this point.
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Belvis Noland is a crap poster. Seriously dude shut up about being entertained, no one gives a eff. It sounds like your problem could be solved by keeping your whiny ass in Kansas City until February. You not being entertained is your problem, no one elses.
you absolutely cannot make posts like this. i get the minority "chip on shoulder" aspect of things, but man.
:lol:
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I have no clue whose side i'm on.
brb, gonna go look up the word Apologist.
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Yes we like crap, I'm stunned why anyone would think it matters at this point.
OMG MiR likes crap!
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gross. MiR, really friggin gross.
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Heck, I'm easy. I'm not going to jump off #teamfrank until he loses or destroys the program. But I'm a bad apologist to look at, I was on #teamwooly longer than 99% of K-State fans.
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Yes we like crap, I'm stunned why anyone would think it matters at this point.
OMG MiR likes crap!
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gross. MiR, really friggin gross.
You beat me by 29 seconds, if I weren't a remedial reader I would have been faster, don't be so mean Mr. clams.
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I'm absolutely not an internet tough guy, I'm praying you go to MOAP 2.5 where you will inevitably say something stupid and so I can tell you to your face how stupid it is.
Do not want.
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Heck, I'm easy. I'm not going to jump off #teamfrank until he loses or destroys the program. But I'm a bad apologist to look at, I was on #teamwooly longer than 99% of K-State fans.
Only because it's hard to pronounce FWN.
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Tryouts is a great way to put it. Long stretches with odd/bad lineups against shitty competition is a better use of those horrible games than playing the best possible lineup and winning by 50.
Trying out new players is one thing. Trotting out nonsensical lineups is another thing. Like, for instance, a lineup with no point guard is kind of stupid no matter who the coach is.
Anyway, I get that Frank is letting some of these dudes sink or swim, which I'm okay with.
And, yeah, I know we aren't returning this entire roster. We have a revolving door of JuCo guys. Take a flyer on a JuCo guy. if he pans out great. if not, move him out. Watson, Jones, and Lawrence are all on the fence. If we need room for a good highschool recruit, Frank won't even blink an eye at cutting the JuCo guys. Which, again, I'm fine with.
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i remember seeing MIR at the OSU bball game in Stillwater and he was real life PI'ing some old broad.
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i remember seeing MIR at the OSU bball game in Stillwater and he was real life PI'ing some old broad.
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I have no clue whose side i'm on.
brb, gonna go look up the word Apologist.
Also look up contrarian and short-termed memory having dumbasses.
Did you know that people with Asperger's Syndrome frequently have the inability to see the big picture?
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Tryouts is a great way to put it. Long stretches with odd/bad lineups against shitty competition is a better use of those horrible games than playing the best possible lineup and winning by 50.
Trying out new players is one thing. Trotting out nonsensical lineups is another thing. Like, for instance, a lineup with no point guard is kind of stupid no matter who the coach is.
Are you really so dense that you can't figure out why it might be a good idea to try out guys like Martavious and Jones at PG against a shitty team? Really?
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During the year different packages will give us advantages at certain points in certain games. There is no such thing as a nonsensical line up in the sporting world we all live in these days.
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frankologist: it's ok to overreact to a bad early season football game but criticize being down +15 to charleston southern and generally having our hoops team looking like crap in november.
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frankologist: it's ok to overreact to a bad early season football game but criticize being down +15 to charleston southern and generally having our hoops team looking like crap in november.
A loss in football is much more important than a loss in BBall. Damnit, why am I even typing this? How are you doing it to make us keep responding to you. Damn.
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frankologist: it's ok to overreact to a bad early season football game but criticize being down +15 to charleston southern and generally having our hoops team looking like crap in november.
A loss in football is much more important than a loss in BBall. Damnit, why am I even typing this? How are you doing it to make us keep responding to you. Damn.
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I was on #teamwooly longer than 99% of K-State fans.
Yes you were, and it was very sad for all of us.
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I'd also like to add, that I'm starting to think that Jeremy Jones might actually be decent for us.
As in much better than Martavius. And I kinda like that.
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I'd also like to add, that I'm starting to think that Jeremy Jones might actually be decent for us.
As in much better than Martavius. And I kinda like that.
:sdeek:
Look, he may end up that way, but his upside doesn't reconcile his level of liability right now. Tay's does.
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what's jones weigh in at, 145 lbs? ya, ol' Wal-Mart is going to get shoved around like a ragdoll when we get done playing against the sisters of the poor.
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what's jones weigh in at, 145 lbs? ya, ol' Wal-Mart is going to get shoved around like a ragdoll when we get done playing against the sisters of the poor.
He's got good speed and he seems like he can shoot. I like him. So sue me.
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I'd also like to add, that I'm starting to think that Jeremy Jones might actually be decent for us.
As in much better than Martavius. And I kinda like that.
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what's jones weigh in at, 145 lbs? ya, ol' Wal-Mart is going to get shoved around like a ragdoll when we get done playing against the sisters of the poor.
He's got good speed and he seems like he can shoot. I like him. So sue me.
Based on his one 3-pointer? He's shot three airballs as well (if you include the exhibition game).
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I'd also like to add, that I'm starting to think that Jeremy Jones might actually be decent for us.
As in much better than Martavius. And I kinda like that.
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Look, it's not that I don't like Martavious. He's a good spiritual leader for us, just really terrible at basketball.
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what's jones weigh in at, 145 lbs? ya, ol' Wal-Mart is going to get shoved around like a ragdoll when we get done playing against the sisters of the poor.
He's got good speed and he seems like he can shoot. I like him. So sue me.
consider yourself served
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Based on his one 3-pointer? He's shot three airballs as well (if you include the exhibition game).
in wal-mart's defense, he shot well at seward
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I was on #teamwooly longer than 99% of K-State fans.
Me too. I was heartbroken when Wooly got NIT snubbed.
Distant memory now. Frank has eased the pain of Drew Lavender.
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Jeremy Jones is what those in some circles like to call a speed merchant.
You can teach dancing but you can't teach running fast.
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Jeremy Jones is what those in some circles like to call a speed merchant.
You can teach dancing but you can't teach running fast.
you can't teach staying cute
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I also really like Jones. I would like him a lot more if he were a freshman, though.
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People freaking out after two games, LOL. Sorry for being so mean Belvis, but damn I nailed it, wasn't really hard to see though.
Frank is sacrificing your November fun and joy for February success,
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Why aren't we getting more out of JO?
He's essentially had a double double each game, what are you expecting?
triple triple
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Wow, I totally nailed it with Jeremy Jones. Just spot on. :thumbs:
Too bad about the broken ankle.