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[Belvis Noland]

I wasn't sleeping.  I was sipping a cocktail in the donor's lounge.  Oh wait, we don't have one....

[michigancat]

KSU has lost 4 games in the last three seasons in November and December. One of those was to Duke and one was the CK/Pullen suspension game. I guess you're just looking for more style points?

I'm not looking for style points.  I'm looking for consistency. 

We are a terribly inconsistent team.  I wish we weren't.  That's all. 

I like Frank.  I like the results in March.  But, I'm a season ticket holder.  Why the eff should I have to sit through 2 months of garbage basketball before our players "see the light" or "buy in"? 

On the flip side, it is highly possible that our March performances are due to the adversity we experience in the non-con.  Or maybe not.  I dunno.  I just know it's ugly.   

don't buy tickets if you don't like it.

[Skipper44]

I wasn't sleeping.  I was sipping a cocktail in the donor's lounge.  Oh wait, we don't have one....

pounding warm domestics in the Legend room is available

[pissclams]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. 

it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank. 

[Belvis Noland]

don't buy tickets if you don't like it.

Well, that would be the easy option.  The option that about 5,000 fans choose for every non-con game.  You know, those games where Frank calls out the fans for "sleeping"??  

They're bored out of their mind and so they stay home and watch X FActor.  Can't really blame em if that's the product Frank's content marching out onto the floor.  

I choose the option of attending the games even though I don't like what I see in some games.  I just hope that Frank changes his ways.  That's all.  

If you want butts in the seats for the non-con, schedule really good teams or **bear with me here** play really good basketball.  

If you play like crap against shitty teams, don't be surprised when the average fan doesn't come back out to the Octagon.  

[Belvis Noland]

I wasn't sleeping.  I was sipping a cocktail in the donor's lounge.  Oh wait, we don't have one....

pounding warm domestics in the Legend room is available

Yup. if you donate +5K a year. 

We should have a club that caters to all other donors. 

[michigancat]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. 

I think KSU going .500 in conference is about right.

don't buy tickets if you don't like it.

Well, that would be the easy option.  The option that about 5,000 fans choose for every non-con game.  You know, those games where Frank calls out the fans for "sleeping"?? 

They're bored out of their mind and so they stay home and watch X FActor.  Can't really blame em if that's the product Frank's content marching out onto the floor. 

I choose the option of attending the games even though I don't like what I see in some games.  I just hope that Frank changes his ways.  That's all. 

If you want butts in the seats for the non-con, schedule really good teams or **bear with me here** play really good basketball. 

If you play like crap against shitty teams, don't be surprised when the average fan doesn't come back out to the Octagon. 

Would you really be more entertained if KSU won by 50 Monday night? I guess you might, because you're kind of a corncob. I just don't think any games against shitty teams are particularly interesting.

[fatty fat fat]

wow. another stupid bball board argument. #teamangel

[catzacker]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. 

it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank. 

completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. 

it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank. 

completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.

i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.

[catzacker]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. 

it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank. 

completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.

i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.

I took the 7-6 in the OOC as a bit of hyperbole (<---I don't exactly know what that word means, but it seems like to should fit).

[Belvis Noland]

Would you really be more entertained if KSU won by 50 Monday night?

Yeah, I would be much more entertained.  Because you don't beat another DI team by 50 unless you are playing awfully good basketball on both of ends of the floor.  Conversely, you're not in a dog fight with teams like CSU and Loyola unless you're playing awful basketball on both ends of the floor. 

So, to be clear.  Good basketball = entertaining.  Bad basketball = not entertaining. 

Don't equte it with wins and losses.  A team can look very good in a loss and very bad in a win.  I just want us to look good to very good whether we win or lose.  Give me some consistent, fundamental basketball.     

[bakerman]

Don't equte it with wins and losses.  A team can look very good in a loss and very bad in a win.  I just want us to look good to very good whether we win or lose.  Give me some consistent, fundamental basketball.     

Sounds miserable. "Yeah, I know we lost, but god dammit, our bounce passes were crisp!"

[pissclams]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season.  

it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank.  

completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.

i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.

I took the 7-6 in the OOC as a bit of hyperbole (<---I don't exactly know what that word means, but it seems like to should fit).

and it was meant as hyperbole, but the truth is we won't be much better than that.  

also, *Pro TiP*- there isn't a chance in hell this team goes .500 in conference.  

[steve dave]

The problem is that 1% of our fans would know good basketball if they saw it. Neither would your enemies on the phog.

[Belvis Noland]

Sounds miserable. "Yeah, I know we lost, but god dammit, our bounce passes were crisp!"

A loss is a loss.  Some are easier to accept than others, though.  pretty easy premise for nonretards.  

Take the football team as an example.  I wasn't as upset with the OSU loss as I was with the OU loss.  Or, I wasn't as upset with the Elite 8 loss to Butler as I was with the 30 point loss to Xavier a few years ago.  

PS.  this is also miserable - "Yeah, I know we barely beat CSU, and we looked like meat dicks for 38 minutes, but that's just Frank being Frank!"  **chuckles and slaps buddy on the back while exiting OOD**
  

[kstate4life]

This argument is ridiculous.  It is pretty apparent that A LOT of teams struggle at the beginning of the year (West Virginia, Pittsburg, crap even Okie St).  It's the first competitive games these kids have played together as a team, they're not going to magically be amazing.

I would rather have a not so good November team, and an awesome March team under Frank; than the not so good all year team that we had consistently before Frank.

[Fuktard]

I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with.  It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something.  (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough".  meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football.  eff OFF.

[kstate4life]

I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with.  It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something.  (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough".  meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football.  eff OFF.

 

[Dr Rick Daris]

i guess what the frankoligists are saying is that they love shitty looking basketball.  this opinion is quite contrarian and edgy.

i'm sure they'll be singing the same tune when we're 7-6 going into conference season. 

it's hard for a non-frankoligist like myself to understand how the frankologists can't differentiate novembers when we had talented teams who just needed time to weed through frank's early season bullshit, and this november when we don't have a talented team and need more than just to weed through frank being frank. 

completely agree with everything that was typed in the quoted post above.

i agree w/ a decent amount of it. i don't think they'll be 7-6 though. predicting it and agreeing w/ it makes you 180 edgy. congrats. it does make it more challenging to gauge how good they are.

I took the 7-6 in the OOC as a bit of hyperbole (<---I don't exactly know what that word means, but it seems like to should fit).

and it was meant as hyperbole, but the truth is we won't be much better than that. 

also, *Pro TiP*- there isn't a chance in hell this team goes .500 in conference. 

i don't disagree on the "much better than that". i do disagree on the chance in hell about .500. i think it's very possible. unless this is another hyperbole... in which case i just give up and declare you the victor of "kstate bball hyperboles" that other kstate fans don't "get".

[hemmy]

I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with.  It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something.  (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough".  meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football.  eff OFF.

No, we just care more about ksu than you do.  We aren't content with mediocrity and anything but excellence pisses us off.

[michigancat]

Would you really be more entertained if KSU won by 50 Monday night?

Yeah, I would be much more entertained.  Because you don't beat another DI team by 50 unless you are playing awfully good basketball on both of ends of the floor.  Conversely, you're not in a dog fight with teams like CSU and Loyola unless you're playing awful basketball on both ends of the floor.  

So, to be clear.  Good basketball = entertaining.  Bad basketball = not entertaining.  

Don't equte it with wins and losses.  A team can look very good in a loss and very bad in a win.  I just want us to look good to very good whether we win or lose.  Give me some consistent, fundamental basketball.      

I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.

[michigancat]

I think this board must be full of the most miserable people on earth to hang out with.  It seems like most on here aren't happy if they aren't constantly bitching about something.  (in a very whiney, annoying voice) "we aren't winning by enough" "snyder won't recruit anyone" "franks basketball isn't fun to watch" "my vagina hurts when i cough".  meanwhile we're fresh off an elite 8 and very nearly a sweet 16 season (after years of futility) and we are 8-2 and ranked in the top 15 in football.  eff OFF.

this was probably the whiniest post in this thread.

[Belvis Noland]

I personally find the FHSU's, Loyolas, and Presby's very entertaining. I mean moments like "Buy in or Quit" just make the inevitable late season runs that much more enjoyable. The development over the course of the season is a lot of fun if you let yourself enjoy it. I don't think you will, though. At least now you're admitting you just wanting to see pretty basketball.

How many games do you attend per year? 

In my experience, it's not very entertaining to rush out of work on weekdays, drive 1.5 hours to manhattan from KC and watch Jeremy jones learn how to play basketball.  Or, to drive up and watch Frank not coach the team for an entire half against charleston southern. 

I guess could understand ur position if I was just a casual, non paying fan who reads about the games on the Internet.

Again, I expect some hiccups and growing pains.  I guess I just didn't expect that 5 years into martins program, we'd still be suffering from the same level of non-con ineptitude. I guess I'm wrong.  And I guess I should just accept it and be happy. 

[michigancat]

I don't attend any, but I make time to watch them. And my time is very valuable.



Personally, I think it's silly to drive 1.5 hours to watch KSU play a team from the SWAC or DII on a regular basis. Even if they look really really good.


And based on Frank's fondness of running off players, you shouldn't expect his teams to look refined in November, even though it's year five. *Note: Frank's fondness of running off players (and not replacing them with anyone better than a shitty juco) bugs me way more than the way his teams look in November. I mean, he honestly does have a shitload of youth every year (and it's his fault).