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http://www.kitchenkc.com/2011/05/maryland-dalonte-hill-will-talk-or-have.html
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Good, will make for some great assistant coach BBS speculation.
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We're okay with this right? The guy has been a pretty awful investment for the last couple years, correct?
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We're okay with this right? The guy has been a pretty awful investment for the last couple years, correct?
Probably one of the best we have ever made
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we could only be so lucky.
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Good, will make for some great assistant coach BBS speculation.
pastrana forever.
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Shouldn't we hire someone connected to one amazing recruit?
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Shouldn't we hire someone connected to one amazing recruit?
They made a ku rule about doing that.
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Really hoping this happens. Good move for him and the ksu gatos.
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Really hoping this happens. Good move for him and the ksu gatos.
yes, he has passed his expiration date.
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Shouldn't we hire someone connected to one amazing recruit?
They made a ku rule about doing that.
only applies to dobos and other non-coaching staff. can still hire the crap out of connected asst coaches (kstate rule).
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I wish Pat Knight had known of this potential opening on our staff before he took that gig at Lamar. He would have been here in a heartbeat. :bang:
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the hensonator will be here is less than a heartbeat. probably already here.
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if Hill leaves, hopefully Frank has the presence of mind to hire DSR's AAU coach.
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Wow . . . well, what should we do with the $225K a year we're going to save??
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Ship in UCLA/USC Sorititutes for the recruiting weekends
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if Hill leaves, hopefully Frank has the presence of mind to hire DSR's AAU coach.
too late already :ohno:
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Dalonte Hill can eff off.
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Hope he doesn't get super celebratory and decides to drive to Maryland.
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Shouldn't we hire someone connected to one amazing recruit?
does mike leach have a brother or sister who has watched basketball before?
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consolidating the story from various kstate & maryland sites - hill interviewed today and received an offer believed to be for over 300k. he is expected to accept, it should be known by monday.
if hill accepts and spinelli isn't offered a hc job, both of which appear probable, turgeon's staff will be ranson (retained from williams' staff), hill and spinelli. pretty bad ass, and undoubtedly, pretty pricey.
will be interesting to see if the elite 2013 dcas head to maryland w. hill. the pg, at least, always looked earmarked for duke.
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if hill accepts and spinelli isn't offered a hc job, both of which appear probable, turgeon's staff will be ranson (retained from williams' staff), hill and spinelli. pretty bad ass, and undoubtedly, pretty pricey.
if so (and based on te300k+), that's pricey indeed. i secretly hope turd assembles an all-star cast to at least challenge for things every few years or something in the acc.
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judging from some Maryland sites...they have some tucks of their own in their fanbase.
Frank Martin's program is dirty
Are we really getting excited about this guy? Hill basically auctioned himself off to the highest bidder in exchange for Beasley’s services, and at the time numerous fans and journalists highlighted the transaction as an example of how dirty college bball recruiting had gotten. I do not want Maryland to be associated with someone like that, and I don’t see how anyone else could, either. It is not encouraging that Turgeon wants to bring someone like Hill onboard while at the same time letting go of Ehsan, who is actually a good coach and, from everything I’ve read, a good guy.
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judging from some Maryland sites...they have some tucks of their own in their fanbase.
yes, they are a pleasure to peruse.
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judging from some Maryland sites...they have some tucks of their own in their fanbase.
Frank Martin's program is dirty
Are we really getting excited about this guy? Hill basically auctioned himself off to the highest bidder in exchange for Beasley’s services, and at the time numerous fans and journalists highlighted the transaction as an example of how dirty college bball recruiting had gotten. I do not want Maryland to be associated with someone like that, and I don’t see how anyone else could, either. It is not encouraging that Turgeon wants to bring someone like Hill onboard while at the same time letting go of Ehsan, who is actually a good coach and, from everything I’ve read, a good guy.
Someone should really get the Maryland tucks rolling by mentioning Hill's DUI a coupe years back. Terrible influence and role model.
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So, did 'Te just voluntarily take (at least) a 120k paycut or did Frank do what he does best and show him the door? Would be great to include a rotating staff with our rotating roster.
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Except Greenie. He gets to stay.
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half a mill should get a pretty good aau guy with connections to a really good soon to be soph.
bonus should be that it is a team we haven't pissed off yet
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I think Hill took the paycut because
A) Parts of our fanbase were growing impatient with his recruiting
B) Maryland is higher profile for a future head coach gig (more money in long run)
C) He can recruit better there to help his stock
Regardless, he can up and eff off
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I'm just excited for the threads that someone here will absolutely make about all the 4 and 5* recruits he's pulling in at Maryland and pretend like he would be doing that here.
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Hill was a part of some great things. Let's part ways with his handsome mustache with respect. He is doing us a favor.
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FP, TC, etc.
seriously though, we didn't make him the highest paid assistant in all of college basketball to recruit a team full of 3 stars. thanks for the first few years, but you're not really worth 300k anymore.
agree with the premise of having a rotating door on these types of recruiters. maybe three years or so. once they lose their AAU influence with the premier recruits, send them back to AAU land and pick up the latest guy who can bring in the big prospects in.
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Hill was a part of some great things. Let's part ways with his handsome mustache with respect. He is doing us a favor.
I agree with Limestone. Can't we handle this with the class and respect expected of a bunch of young wealthy athletics supporters? Hill leaving is in no way a negative for us.
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I wish Pat Knight had known of this potential opening on our staff before he took that gig at Lamar. He would have been here in a heartbeat. :bang:
Oh god no, Dalonte much better than Knight.
I don't understand why so many haters in regards to Dalonte. The guy was basically part of the Huggs/Frank/Beas package that brought us back. If I thought any of you were anti-Dalonte because of the absurd notion that an asst. basketball coach gets paid this much by a public university, then I'd understand. But, I think it is clear that 90% of this board remains in the "eff it, I just want to win" camp. So, I assume many of you just like to hate, hate, hate, hate....
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I wish Pat Knight had known of this potential opening on our staff before he took that gig at Lamar. He would have been here in a heartbeat. :bang:
Oh god no, Dalonte much better than Knight.
I don't understand why so many haters in regards to Dalonte. The guy was basically part of the Huggs/Frank/Beas package that brought us back. If I thought any of you were anti-Dalonte because of the absurd notion that an asst. basketball coach gets paid this much by a public university, then I'd understand. But, I think it is clear that 90% of this board remains in the "eff it, I just want to win" camp. So, I assume many of you just like to hate, hate, hate, hate....
The Dalonte hire and salary was absolutely worth it. He brought in Beasley, Dom, Wally, and Rodney, all of whom contributed significantly to the revival of our program.
That being said, he's not delivering anymore. Time to trade him in for the newer model of the same car.
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people, try to post smarter. we have a self-bestowed reputation to maintain.
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You know who would make a great assistant?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hickory-high.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Fquin2.jpg&hash=4684cf2f2ec5b9c9f0b82e4c56e056c6bfe24a55)
Except for the fact that I can't think of anything besides American Psycho when I look at him.
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Love Jack Harry asking Frank if he would make a counter offer. Frank said yeah, but not what. I'm thinking a pay cut.
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Love Jack Harry asking Frank if he would make a counter offer. Frank said yeah, but not what. I'm thinking a pay cut.
What are we going to do, just bid against ourselves?
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Love Jack Harry asking Frank if he would make a counter offer. Frank said yeah, but not what. I'm thinking a pay cut.
What are we going to do, just bid against ourselves?
we may have to allow him to retain a higher percentage of his salary, although that could have disastrous effects on recruiting. i'm afraid it looks like a frying pan/fire conundrum.
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Hope he doesn't get super celebratory and decides to drive to Maryland.
I hope he does
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Hope he doesn't get super celebratory and decides to drive to Maryland.
I hope he does
I'm sorry, but I can't see how you can live with yourself. Promoting drinking and driving and all....
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K-State basketball... it was fun while it lasted.
:cry:
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Beems, bringin' the butt hurt strong tonight!
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Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
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Nope I dont believe it is that big of a deal either. We can get someone else to bring in 3star players as well.
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Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
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You know who would make a great assistant?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hickory-high.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Fquin2.jpg&hash=4684cf2f2ec5b9c9f0b82e4c56e056c6bfe24a55)
Except for the fact that I can't think of anything besides American Psycho when I look at him.
:love:
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Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
He will get kids to go there and Turg can't possible rack up a body count higher than (Ron Anderson, Dominique Sutton, Wally Judge) Frank.
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Let the BBS speculation begin! (http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Maryland-Coach-Mark-Turgeon-Hires-Kansas-States-Dalonte-Hill-25774)
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Let the BBS speculation begin! (http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Maryland-Coach-Mark-Turgeon-Hires-Kansas-States-Dalonte-Hill-25774)
:emawkid:
:pbj: :horrorsurprise: :excited: :runaway:
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www.kitchenkc.com (http://www.kitchenkc.com/2011/05/dalonte-hill-joins-maryland-leaves-k.html)
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this might be fun.
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Are the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) tucks melting down about this??
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www.kitchenkc.com (http://www.kitchenkc.com/2011/05/dalonte-hill-joins-maryland-leaves-k.html)
ouch
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:lol:
dax is fist pumping like crazy right now
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:zzz:
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lots of "wow, he took a demotion and a paycut" posts at gopowerrespect
kinda appears to be leaning towards a "why do people think maryland is a better job than ksu" meltdown.
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# of months before 320K'TE boats his first 5 star at MD? I'm going to go with 3.
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Warm up the next pipeline to rupture
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Are the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) tucks melting down about this??
i figured it would be worse. I think they've had enough warning about this though.
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not gonna lie, pretty excited about this.
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For those who only know the program from a distance, it seems somewhat out-of-place that K-State would be so comfortable in letting go of the coach responsible for the lynch pin piece of talent needed to save a program that, prior to the new staff's arrival, had fallen to French volleyball and African rec leagues just to try (and fail) to find players.
But, reality is that the KSU relationship between Hill and the fan base, while never strained, had begun to show some frayed outer threads of discontent. Hill's role, and his paycheck, dictated that he not just recruit, but regularly bring in the best of the best. Lately, that hadn't been the case.
LOL. Sidike Sidibe FTW.
http://www.kitchenkc.com/2011/05/time-right-for-hillk-state-breakup.html#more
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:driving:
Maybe recruiting an asst coach will be easier than recruiting actual players :dunno:
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
I'm assuming you think Frank will do something stupid like spread out the money te made to figs and undy and hire another florida community college head coach?
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I think 'Te was way underperforming. I don't care how much we were paying him either way. I just want somebody pulling in good talent, he mostly wasn't doing that anymore. If Frank hires a dud or nobody at all, 'Te leaving is a negative. If he hires someone who recruits better, then it's a positive. How this move is ultimately graded is on Frank's shoulders.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
meh. in what way? you think our already mediocre recruiting will take a big hit? i don't.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
I'm assuming you think Frank will do something stupid like spread out the money te made to figs and undy and hire another florida community college head coach?
that and/or the fear that as soon as Hill lands back in MD he will begin pulling in 4/5*s which firmly places his lack of recruiting success at the feet of Frank and KSU, which ultimately means that the program has hit its peak.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
I'm assuming you think Frank will do something stupid like spread out the money te made to figs and undy and hire another florida community college head coach?
that and/or the fear that as soon as Hill lands back in MD he will begin pulling in 4/5*s which firmly places his lack of recruiting success at the feet of Frank and KSU, which ultimately means that the program has hit its peak.
Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
it's just the ownership bias talking. if martin wanted to retain hill, he would have.
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if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
He will get kids to go there and Turg can't possible rack up a body count higher than (Ron Anderson, Dominique Sutton, Wally Judge) Frank.
just like when cox moved to rutgers from g'town. getting farther away from dc wasn't what let him rack up the dca recruits, it was getting away from screaming lunatic jt3 and settling in under nice, calm, kittens & sugar rice.
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frank actually approached turgeon and offered him hill.
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
I'm assuming you think Frank will do something stupid like spread out the money te made to figs and undy and hire another florida community college head coach?
that and/or the fear that as soon as Hill lands back in MD he will begin pulling in 4/5*s which firmly places his lack of recruiting success at the feet of Frank and KSU, which ultimately means that the program has hit its peak.
Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
to be honest, your opinions on most matters are worthless so I don't read them.
*reads the above repost*
yep, I was right to ignore them the first time
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
it's just the ownership bias talking. if martin wanted to retain hill, he would have.
i guess, i am worried about his replacement
its more an appearances thing than anything else
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Lon Floyd should be happy about this. (stands in the back nodding his head approvingly)
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Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
he couldn't get them to come to ksu anymore because of his boss, not his location. maryland wasn't keeping the local talent for the same reason. hopefully the blood clot moves its way up.*
*probably over the line
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i guess, i am worried about his replacement
its more an appearances thing than anything else
appearances don't matter (aside from maybe providing some threads worth reading on rival big 12 boards). martin's strength is how well he gets along with other coaches, and how plugged in he is to their little secret coaching society. he'll hire well.
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Opens the door for Oppenheimer to turn down Frank a second time.
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Frank actually told Delonte that he could do his job better at Maryland and encouraged him to go.
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i guess, i am worried about his replacement
its more an appearances thing than anything else
appearances don't matter (aside from maybe providing some threads worth reading on rival big 12 boards). martin's strength is how well he gets along with other coaches, and how plugged in he is to their little secret coaching society. he'll hire well.
I guess we'll see how connected he is with this hire.
i think i know that appearance isn't that important, but when the (highest?) paid assistant coach takes a pay cut and a lateral move it doesn't make me think "hey this is a positive development for this program". (moving home be-damned)
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goddamnit, i was all going to support Chingon, then sys made a good point. I'm on the fence. I've been down on Frank lately, for whatever reason...so i might ride the "this sucks" train.
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I think 'Te was way underperforming. I don't care how much we were paying him either way. I just want somebody pulling in good talent, he mostly wasn't doing that anymore. If Frank hires a dud or nobody at all, 'Te leaving is a negative. If he hires someone who recruits better, then it's a positive. How this move is ultimately graded is on Frank's shoulders.
K-State's two best players next season are Dalonte recruits (McGruder and Samuels). You guys are f*cked.
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frank = bill
no one wants to work for him. :ohno: maybe next time frank won't cuss 'te out for handing him a soda instead of a water.
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I think 'Te was way underperforming. I don't care how much we were paying him either way. I just want somebody pulling in good talent, he mostly wasn't doing that anymore. If Frank hires a dud or nobody at all, 'Te leaving is a negative. If he hires someone who recruits better, then it's a positive. How this move is ultimately graded is on Frank's shoulders.
K-State's two best players next season are Dalonte recruits (McGruder and Samuels). You guys are f*cked.
it's sad that you think samuels is our second best player or that he really is.
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Frank actually spoonfed Scott Van Pelt secret info about Dalante.
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I think 'Te was way underperforming. I don't care how much we were paying him either way. I just want somebody pulling in good talent, he mostly wasn't doing that anymore. If Frank hires a dud or nobody at all, 'Te leaving is a negative. If he hires someone who recruits better, then it's a positive. How this move is ultimately graded is on Frank's shoulders.
K-State's two best players next season are Dalonte recruits (McGruder and Samuels). You guys are f*cked.
it's sad that you think samuels is our second best player or that he really is.
Samuels and McGruder are your top two returning scorers/rebounders. They are your two best returning players, without question.
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More harm than good. Frank will hire a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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I think 'Te was way underperforming. I don't care how much we were paying him either way. I just want somebody pulling in good talent, he mostly wasn't doing that anymore. If Frank hires a dud or nobody at all, 'Te leaving is a negative. If he hires someone who recruits better, then it's a positive. How this move is ultimately graded is on Frank's shoulders.
K-State's two best players next season are Dalonte recruits (McGruder and Samuels). You guys are f*cked.
it's sad that you think samuels is our second best player or that he really is.
Samuels and McGruder are your top two returning scorers/rebounders. They are your two best returning players, without question.
at ksu, we don't count players as returning until the first tip of the first game. until then they're possible transfers, thank you very much.
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More harm than good. Frank will hire a respect.
looking down the bench, you're probably right. i mean, underwood and figgs? sprads and russell (T.I.P.).
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not 100% sure this is a positive development
i'm not 100% sure either, but I definitely think the odds are good that it's not a negative development at this point.
i am leaning 75% negative right now.
I'm assuming you think Frank will do something stupid like spread out the money te made to figs and undy and hire another florida community college head coach?
that and/or the fear that as soon as Hill lands back in MD he will begin pulling in 4/5*s which firmly places his lack of recruiting success at the feet of Frank and KSU, which ultimately means that the program has hit its peak.
Am I wrong in saying that if Hill leaves KSU that it isn't really that big of a deal?
hill leaving won't be that big of a deal. but when he starts getting kids from dca to go to maryland, the logical conclusion of why that would happen will/should be.
if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
to be honest, your opinions on most matters are worthless so I don't read them.
*reads the above repost*
yep, I was right to ignore them the first time
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he's at chipotle right now eating with some dude from southside stength & fitness and that little bald headed guy on staff. He was still wearing a kstate shirt. Sounded like the fitness guy was giving a pitch? Weird stuff for dalonte to be doing right now..
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:star: :star: :star: :star: :star: players are more enjoyable to watch play basketball.
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What are some names that should start circulating for the open job? It might be respected of me but the idea of going and getting another AAU guy that is attached to a high level '12 recruit would excite me.
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whos the newer, hotter model 'te 420k we can hire?
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
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ART "rough ridin'" ALVAREZ come on down!!!
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
would take :dunno:
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
Good, Figs actually recruits.
ART "effING" ALVAREZ come on down!!!
sys brought up a good point awhile back that art is more valuable to us where he is. Then again Frank might just be that loyal(not smart) about it.
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
would take :dunno:
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that, I just think some of our fans think that we are going to get a package deal like we did with Beasley/Hill.
I'm just hoping we can get a decent younger recruiting coach with connections to either NYC or Texas.
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
would take :dunno:
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that, I just think some of our fans think that we are going to get a package deal like we did with Beasley/Hill.
I'm just hoping we can get a decent younger recruiting coach with connections to either NYC or Texas.
Texas plz.
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
would take :dunno:
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that, I just think some of our fans think that we are going to get a package deal like we did with Beasley/Hill.
I'm just hoping we can get a decent younger recruiting coach with connections to either NYC or Texas.
Do you not want an AAU package deal or are you saying no way it happens?
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I want a guy with ties to the Midwest. Give me Indiana, Ohio and Chicago kids all day long.
Why not look at a guy from Butler to fill that gap.
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I have a feeling the new model will look a lot more like Figs than a new version of Te.
would take :dunno:
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that, I just think some of our fans think that we are going to get a package deal like we did with Beasley/Hill.
I'm just hoping we can get a decent younger recruiting coach with connections to either NYC or Texas.
Do you not want an AAU package deal or are you saying no way it happens?
I don't think it will happen. Plus, Hill was already a D1 assistant and Huggins had pull. I don't think Frank has that kind of pull, even if that kind of guy is available.
I do think he's likely going to find a younger recruiter to fill the spot.
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I'm not sure who the "best" recruiter in the country is, but i would have a hard time believing that $500K (420+80 bonus) per wouldn't get them to KSU. For christ's sake, Maryland's ENTIRE assitant coaching staff was making $230K combined. Dalonte wasn't performing to his salary level...period.
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I'm just hoping we can get a decent younger recruiting coach with connections to either NYC or Texas.
illinois & pacific northwest. dad runs a chicago youth bball thing, plus has 5 star 2013 brother.
scratch the pacific northwest, bad info. but add connections to the best juco in the world.
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I'm not sure who the "best" recruiter in the country is, but i would have a hard time believing that $500K (420+80 bonus) per wouldn't get them to KSU. For christ's sake, Maryland's ENTIRE assitant coaching staff was making $230K combined. Dalonte wasn't performing to his salary level...period.
'te just left that salary for far less, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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I think 'Te was way underperforming. I don't care how much we were paying him either way. I just want somebody pulling in good talent, he mostly wasn't doing that anymore. If Frank hires a dud or nobody at all, 'Te leaving is a negative. If he hires someone who recruits better, then it's a positive. How this move is ultimately graded is on Frank's shoulders.
K-State's two best players next season are Dalonte recruits (McGruder and Samuels). You guys are f*cked.
Thanks for proving my point, both recruited a long time ago (in the college sports world). If you're getting half a mill, you need to bring at least one solid guy per year as an assistant. He wasn't doing that. I don't think our team, from the last two years, changes with him gone. We'll recruit just like we have (average) unless we bring someone in that is good. We would have been average had he stayed. So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think him leaving really hurts us as he wasn't exactly pulling in blue-chippers lately. If we get another 'Te (circa 2008ish) it will be a good thing.
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I think its time we called in a few favors. Mr. Jackson, if you're nasty. :gocho:
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IT'S PHIL!*
*thanks Tex!
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Rob on 610 now talking about this.
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goddamnit, i was all going to support Chingon, then sys made a good point. I'm on the fence. I've been down on Frank lately, for whatever reason...so i might ride the "this sucks" train.
ya... i just want to be good at basketball, damnit!! :bawl:
:pray: for someone with some connections.
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
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What sucks about all this is that if this happened 3 years ago, we could have hired another AAU guy and been knocking out recruits again.
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
your fights over dax.
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
So I take it you think Turg is a huge respect for making him 300KTe?
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
So I take it you think Turg is a huge respect for making him 300KTe?
Very worth while investment for Turg.
Great move for 'te, especially if he can start moving kids again.
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frank actually said, "Sayonara, Te450PLUSK."
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
So I take it you think Turg is a huge respect for making him 300KTe?
Very worth while investment for Turg.
Great move for 'te, especially if he can start moving kids again.
dax is a big boy I think we can let him answer this one for himself
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
So I take it you think Turg is a huge respect for making him 300KTe?
:ck: and don't really care.
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The problem which most Te450PLUSK supporters have . . . is that they have to go great lengths trying to explain what Te450PLUSK was bringing to the table. Let's be honest the Te450PLUSK direct pipeline dried up 3 years ago. When a school is paying an assistant $450KPLUS a year, you shouldn't need more than about 10 words to explain what he is bringing to the table, and most of that should be names of extremely high quality recruits. What Te450KPLUSK supporters have been left with is a lot of mumbling and stumbling around, with protracted responses and elongated diatribes about what Te450PLUSK was actually getting accomplished.
So I take it you think Turg is a huge respect for making him 300KTe?
:ck: and don't really care.
tapout noted
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Why should I care that Turd is paying Hill $300K?
Apparently you're quite upset about it.
. . . . and what exactly does "turg is a huge respect" mean.
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Why should I care that Turd is paying Hill $300K?
Apparently you're quite upset about it.
. . . . and what exactly does "turg is a huge respect" mean.
i was asking if you think Turgeon is out of his mind stupid for hiring our worthless dried up lazy hasn't recruited anyone since 2007 assistant coach. I mean why would you pay someone 300k who hasn't even sniffed a 4 star recruit since rod commited four years ago? I guess all the recruiting types who think it was a monster move are respected as well.
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Well if that wasn't a response straight out of Powertardville.
Apparently Wet Willie . . . u are mad.
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Nick Wright tweeted earlier today that losing Dalonte was HUGE for KSU.
He had Cassidy on earlier. Did anyone hear if Cassidy confirmed the horrific perdicament this has put KSU basketball in?
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This is no where near as bad for KSU as it is good for Maryland.
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oh, man. frank just played turg like a plantain.
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oh, man. frank just played turg like a plantain.
Agreed. Frank has to be pretty ecstatic that he gets to dump this loser. 'Te sucked big time.
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oh, man. frank just played turg like a plantain.
Agreed. Frank has to be pretty ecstatic that he gets to dump this loser. 'Te sucked big time.
I say we give frank 200 of te's 500k if he can explain this concept to bill. :dunno:
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I'm not sure who the "best" recruiter in the country is, but i would have a hard time believing that $500K (420+80 bonus) per wouldn't get them to KSU. For christ's sake, Maryland's ENTIRE assitant coaching staff was making $230K combined. Dalonte wasn't performing to his salary level...period.
'te just left that salary for far less, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
It's Fuktard, asswipe. and who gives a crap if he left for less money, contrary to popular opinion, some people ARE motivated by money.
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so w/ regard to the "someone like figgs" things, who has figgs been responsible for getting to set foot at ksu?
russell (T.I.P.)
gipson
jones
myles?
excuse me if I don't punch my clown with anticipation for the next figgs.
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I think 'Te will bring in good recruits to Maryland. He is in an area where he is known better and has better connections. He is selling players on a team with a pretty good recent history that is right down the street. It'll be a lot easier than selling kids on heading to some city they've never heard of in Kansas. Not to mention, I'd imagine Frank had just as much to do with DCA drying up, between his coaching style and player transfers.
I'm going to laugh when 'Te brings in badass recruits to Maryland and people start getting jealous thinking he would've done the same thing here
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oh, man. frank just played turg like a plantain.
I googled "plantain," but still have no idea what this means. :dunno: I do like the sound of it!
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dalonte probably wasn't going to be bringing in much over the next few years anyway and my guess is that he and frank's relationship had somewhat run it's course. it's not like frank hired the guy to begin with and it was a somewhat odd package deal with the two were paired together initially almost like co-coaches.
probably time to move on and see what happens. the minus is that it probably confirms that frank was the issue in lack of dca attention over the past couple of years and that's sad. hopefully try to get a guy with some kind of pull somewhere else and try not to f that up as well i guess.
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The dude doesn't seem to do much actual coaching and his recruiting has sucked balls lately so I say: "eff him."
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dalonte probably wasn't going to be bringing in much over the next few years anyway and my guess is that he and frank's relationship had somewhat run it's course. it's not like frank hired the guy to begin with and it was a somewhat odd package deal with the two were paired together initially almost like co-coaches.
probably time to move on and see what happens. the minus is that it probably confirms that frank was the issue in lack of dca attention over the past couple of years and that's sad. hopefully try to get a guy with some kind of pull somewhere else and try not to f that up as well i guess.
Te liked Frank better than huggz. source a+
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dalonte probably wasn't going to be bringing in much over the next few years anyway and my guess is that he and frank's relationship had somewhat run it's course. it's not like frank hired the guy to begin with and it was a somewhat odd package deal with the two were paired together initially almost like co-coaches.
probably time to move on and see what happens. the minus is that it probably confirms that frank was the issue in lack of dca attention over the past couple of years and that's sad. hopefully try to get a guy with some kind of pull somewhere else and try not to f that up as well i guess.
Te liked Frank better than huggz. source a+
ok. and? :dunno:
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eff You Miami, why couldn't you have just hired Frank.
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I've been pretty critical of Frank's recruiting, but I blame the Joel Bell thing for the DCA suckiness more than anything.
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I've been pretty critical of Frank's recruiting, but I blame the Joel Bell thing for the DCA suckiness more than anything.
if it was all joel bell, then why would turgeon seek out dalonte?
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I've been pretty critical of Frank's recruiting, but I blame the Joel Bell thing for the DCA suckiness more than anything.
single handedly saving this board from retardation. welcome back, traversecitygolfcat.
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I've been pretty critical of Frank's recruiting, but I blame the Joel Bell thing for the DCA suckiness more than anything.
single handedly saving this board from respectation. welcome back, traversecitygolfcat.
god damnit. stop being so nice and break apart and kill me for my previous breakdown.
also, if the joel thing is legit (yes/prob?) then why does it just affect frank and ksu and not dalonte? or does it affect all and if so, then why would turg go and get dalonte? seems weird. no? frank has to be to blame in this scenario right? correct/incorrect?
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I blame Frank mostly but think a number of people mumped the pipeline up. Dalonte will be fine in Maryland, but he was not doing 400K worth of work for KSU anymore. He wasn't going to succeed here, but he more than likely will there. Will be a good fit for him and good move for both teams.
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then why does it just affect frank and ksu and not dalonte?
i can't explain the mind of curtis malone. but i can see that the exact same thing happened with cox/jt3 at g'town/rutgers. the human mind is hardwired to seek and identify patterns, explanations are secondary.
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-i'll try to explain the mind of curtis malone: money talks, bullshit walks
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frank actually informed turg about malone, the money, and the bullshit.
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We need to hire Sidney Lowe as an assistant.
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if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.
He will get kids to go there and Turg can't possible rack up a body count higher than (Ron Anderson, Dominique Sutton, Wally Judge) Frank.
just like when cox moved to rutgers from g'town. getting farther away from dc wasn't what let him rack up the dca recruits, it was getting away from screaming lunatic jt3 and settling in under nice, calm, kittens & sugar rice.
This is my favorite sys post ever. Well done mate
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I say go after that new WSU assistant that has ties to PE. Shirley part of $450K could get him from the shucks.
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Most of you are fairly stupid. It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.
When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank. Hill has something completely different to sell. What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to. Curtis Malone has no rough ridin' choice than to get over whatever his beef was. It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.
Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program. I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread.
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I say go after that new WSU assistant that has ties to PE. Shirley part of $450K could get him from the shucks.
You're likely to meet your ultimate demise by wakeboarding on I-70 behind a '96 F-150.
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I say go after that new WSU assistant that has ties to PE. Shirley part of $450K could get him from the shucks.
You're likely to meet your ultimate demise by wakeboarding on I-70 behind a '96 F-150.
Sounds like fun. Break out a case of BL pounders and lets get after it.
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love it when dumbasses call out other people for being dumbasses. love it even more when they congratulate themselves on belonging to a small group of non-dumbasses.
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Most of you are fairly stupid. It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.
When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank. Hill has something completely different to sell. What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to. Curtis Malone has no effing choice than to get over whatever his beef was. It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.
Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program. I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread.
Thank you MIR.
Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan, but its harder to recruit to Manhattan. Not impossible, but harder. I think that's why Frank went down the 3-star road eventually, especially after the many swing and misses in the Awaji class. I would hope we can get some connections to pull in a few more 4 star type kids, but we'll see.
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Most of you are fairly stupid. It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.
When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank. Hill has something completely different to sell. What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to. Curtis Malone has no effing choice than to get over whatever his beef was. It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.
Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program. I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread.
Thank you MIR.
Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan,
:dubious:
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Most of you are fairly stupid. It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.
When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank. Hill has something completely different to sell. What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to. Curtis Malone has no effing choice than to get over whatever his beef was. It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.
Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program. I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread.
Thank you MIR.
Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan,
:dubious:
At some point you have to face reality. Beasley, Walker was likely once in a lifetime for the K-State fan. McGruder, Judge was really darn good.
However, Pullen, Kelly, Clemente is doable on a consistent basis. Pull in good 3 stars (and hopefully a few 4 stars) and develop them, then add in good transfers that produce. Its not a bleak outlook, its just reality.
JMHO.
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Then we have hit our peak :dunno:
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Then we have hit our peak :dunno:
No, I don't necessarily think so. I think this staff could put together a team similar to the 09-10 team; a clear Final 4 caliber team.
I'm just saying that formula is repeatable b/c that wasn't a team based on having multiple 4/5 star players that we recruited as FR as the key parts of the team. It was developed 3 stars and transfers as the core and I think you can win at K-State with that. I'm just not expecting K-State to pull in Top 20 recruiting classes year after year. I suppose I had hoped that at one point, and maybe if Huggs had stayed it would be possible, but I'm not sure its possible with Frank. If you don't want that, then you may as well root for Frank to fail and hope Currie can get a better option.
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I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing. IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.
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I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing. IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.
Well Dax loses a talking point, so that may be a good thing or a bad thing as well.
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I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing. IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.
I agree with that. The positive I see is the possibility of some intriguing BBSing the next week or so, not that losing Hill was good for K-State basketball.
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hell, yes, it's wishful thinking. we wish we can get someone better. and when we don't, we're going to bitch about it. is that okay with everyone?
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also, thanks to fan for his wonderful insight that grcoat ain't happening every year.
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hell, yes, it's wishful thinking. we wish we can get someone better. and when we don't, we're going to bitch about it. is that okay with everyone?
Of course, its a message board.
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Thank you MIR.
Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan, but its harder to recruit to Manhattan. Not impossible, but harder. I think that's why Frank went down the 3-star road eventually, especially after the many swing and misses in the Awaji class. I would hope we can get some connections to pull in a few more 4 star type kids, but we'll see.
this point is, imo, decimated when you look/think about why maryland can't/hasn't gotten the local talent to stay in maryland, relatively speaking. you could point to increased competition (i.e. pitt, gt, etc.) but the university of maryland has, as far as I know, not changed locations over the past 5 years. neither has st. john's. and location certainly never kept other dca kids (regardless of their ability or lack thereof) from coming to manhattan
it might be hard/difficult to recruit to manhattan, but Frank/the head coach can make/has made it hardER with his nfl free agency version of college recruiting and however he was blamed for beasley's agent. curtis can keep kids from maryland or send them to ksu, location be damned.
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You know what's frustrating?
Baylor.
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Thank you MIR.
Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan, but its harder to recruit to Manhattan. Not impossible, but harder. I think that's why Frank went down the 3-star road eventually, especially after the many swing and misses in the Awaji class. I would hope we can get some connections to pull in a few more 4 star type kids, but we'll see.
this point is, imo, decimated when you look/think about why maryland can't/hasn't gotten the local talent to stay in maryland, relatively speaking. you could point to increased competition (i.e. pitt, gt, etc.) but the university of maryland has, as far as I know, not changed locations over the past 5 years. neither has st. john's. and location certainly never kept other dca kids (regardless of their ability or lack thereof) from coming to manhattan
it might be hard/difficult to recruit to manhattan, but Frank/the head coach can make/has made it hardER with his nfl free agency version of college recruiting and however he was blamed for beasley's agent. curtis can keep kids from maryland or send them to ksu, location be damned.
I can see that, but its clear that Gary Williams thought he was above and beyond using recruiters like Dalonte Hill to recruit locally. He could have easily got a Dalonte himself if he wanted to with DC connections.
That said, I do agree that Frank doesn't always make things easy on himself for recruiting for the reasons you said, but I also don't think he's going to change.
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You know what's frustrating?
Baylor.
Baylor is in TX and uses good TX connections to bring in good TX kids. I don't find Baylor frustrating at all, and if anything we'd probably have better luck using connections like theirs (if we can find some) than east coast or Florida connections b/c you could at least promise that a player will come back home 2-3 times per season.
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i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan. I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all. Anyone have any theories?
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i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan. I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all. Anyone have any theories?
They suck and don't have better options.
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i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan. I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all. Anyone have any theories?
They are 3 star players. I think we can get 3 star talent from about anywhere with decent connections. Plus his Florida connections with Shaky and Art are about as good as you can get, and its with the head coach. If we can find an assistant with those types of connections that would be great, but I think its harder to do and maintain, just as our connections with Hill and DC eventually ran out.
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Do you think maybe Hill was getting tired of Franks act? I could see him getting tired of being the guy that has to tell the kids that are getting there scholarship ripped for a incoming transfer that nobody knows anything about.
Delonte - Um, yeah, Juvole can I talk to you for a second?
Myles - yeah coach whats up, I've been working on those moves you showed me.
Delonte - Oh yeah? That's great.
Myles - Yeah I can't wait to show what I've got next year.
Delonte - HMMM. Listen, you're a great kid and I hate doing this to you but we will not be giving you a sholarship next year.
Myles :frown: :cry:
Frank enters room
Frank- Juvole what's wrong?
Myles-So I'm not going to be on scholarship next year?
Frank- Well I gave that choice to Delonte you will have to take it up with him.
Delonte- :angry: :shakesfist: :curse:
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Do you think maybe Hill was getting tired of Franks act? I could see him getting tired of being the guy that has to tell the kids that are getting there scholarship ripped for a incoming transfer that nobody knows anything about.
Delonte - Um, yeah, Juvole can I talk to you for a second?
Myles - yeah coach whats up, I've been working on those moves you showed me.
Delonte - Oh yeah? That's great.
Myles - Yeah I can't wait to show what I've got next year.
Delonte - HMMM. Listen, you're a great kid and I hate doing this to you but we will not be giving you a sholarship next year.
Myles :frown: :cry:
Frank enters room
Frank- Juvole what's wrong?
Myles-So I'm not going to be on scholarship next year?
Frank- Well I gave that choice to Delonte you will have to take it up with him.
Delonte- :angry: :shakesfist: :curse:
I always envisioned Frank relishing in their anguish and living for the moment he gets to run off a couple of guys. Sweet tears kind of stuff etc.
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the biggest question now is who is going to get frank his rough ridin' water.
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I seriously cannot believe how many K-State fans still spell his name as "Delonte."
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I seriously cannot believe how many K-State fans still spell his name as "Delonte."
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-i'll try to explain the mind of curtis malone: money talks, bullshit walks
I CAN attest to the fact that Clams knows a guy in Canada, you don't know him, who is very learned on this topic.
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So is this the thread where we start talking about potential replacements, or am I in the wrong one?
Overall, I agree with the "neutral" assessment. Dalonte had value, but not $450K value (at least not that could be observed from the outside). Also, for him, this gives him a shot at a program closer to where his ties will have an impact, and maybe it will get him closer to a shot at being a HC (if that's his ultimate goal).
Is Pastrana an option to replace? Or to expand on the Texas connections piece, someone down there with AAU connections that is looking for a shot?
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So is this the thread where we start talking about potential replacements, or am I in the wrong one?
Overall, I agree with the "neutral" assessment. Dalonte had value, but not $450K value (at least not that could be observed from the outside). Also, for him, this gives him a shot at a program closer to where his ties will have an impact, and maybe it will get him closer to a shot at being a HC (if that's his ultimate goal).
Is Pastrana an option to replace? Or to expand on the Texas connections piece, someone down there with AAU connections that is looking for a shot?
If we hire Marcus Smarts AAU coach or high school coach can we get him to come here? I know he is not a 5* or anything but I really wanted Smart and it seems he is not looking at us right now.
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So is this the thread where we start talking about potential replacements, or am I in the wrong one?
Overall, I agree with the "neutral" assessment. Dalonte had value, but not $450K value (at least not that could be observed from the outside). Also, for him, this gives him a shot at a program closer to where his ties will have an impact, and maybe it will get him closer to a shot at being a HC (if that's his ultimate goal).
Is Pastrana an option to replace? Or to expand on the Texas connections piece, someone down there with AAU connections that is looking for a shot?
I attempted to put some names together here http://goEMAW.com/forum /index.php?topic=12992.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum /index.php?topic=12992.0) but those were really just a few of sys's suggestions and a collection of guys around Texas AAU programs
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I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing. IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.
Yeah it can't be anything but neutral, his replacement will decide if Hill leaving was a good thing or bad thing. Anyone who thinks Hill leaving is a good thing just isn't rational. Just assume that Hill wasn't worth his salary, I hate that take by the way, what if the next guy isn't earning his $175,000 salary? Dalonte leaving would look terrible for KSU in retrospect.
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Jorge Fernandez?? (http://www.kitchenkc.com/2011/05/jorge-fernandez-k-state-assistant.html)
If he just has Florida ties...seems kind of pointless :dunno:
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i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan. I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all. Anyone have any theories?
How do you not understand this? No one is saying that you can't get kids here. The point is that you have to SELL coming to recruits. There has been two players that Frank & his staff have landed that they didn't have to sell location to. Dalonte no longer has to sell location to DMV kids. No one is claiming that you can't get kids to Manhattan, there is just an additional hurdle that some schools don't have. Stop acting inferior about it, having to sell location isn't unique to KSU. Most schools who recruit nationally have to sell their location, KU does.
It's really a big part of the problem with the football program. They recruit & land very few players that they have to sell location to. Most of that appears to be because of staff philosophy, but some of the reason can be attributed to the fact that the best college football programs are in America's Sun Belt and California, the same places where most of the players are. You don't think Ohio State has to sell Columbus freaking Ohio to Florida recruits?
College Basketball talent is much more spread out and there are many good to great programs in less than desirable locales. Ever been to Storrs, CT? Maryland is a rare case in college basketball where the program is a good to great program with enough talent to sustain the program within a 90 minute drive. They could dominate DC, MD, VA, and Philly and improve an already great program. The University of Maryland is as close to all of those basketball hotbeds as KSU is to KC.
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The University of Maryland is as close to all of those basketball hotbeds as KSU is to KC.
It really makes you wonder how much Gary Williams has been shooting himself in the foot all of these years.
Turgeon made a really good move. Succeed here and he'll be even higher on the short list for KU when the time comes.
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location absolutely matters in recruiting, and manhattan, kansas is not a great location for college basketball.
however, talking about location with respect to kstate and dca is missing the point. when malone liked kstate, kstate signed 6 dca players over a two year span, when malone didn't like kstate, kstate signed zero dca players. over that same period, the two nationally prominent power schools in the dmv area signed zero dca players. malone didn't like them. rutgers, located within the region, went from signing zero dca players over the previous five years to signing everyone they had available when they hired a coach that malone wanted them to hire.
like location, connections always matter in recruiting, however; in the specific case of players influenced by curtis malone, there is abundant evidence that connections are far more important than location.
those bringing up transfers & martin's demeanor also miss the point, although it is more understandable. we may not have seen it at the time, or at least, for a time, we tried to convince ourselves that we weren't seeing what we thought we were, but malone turned off the dca player spigot long before judge left, before sutton left, perhaps even before anderson left (can't recall, don't want to check, but i'm pretty sure). when malone stopped bringing players out for kstate elite camps, it was over. when malone stopped sending dca to mokan's tournament, it was over.
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location absolutely matters in recruiting, and manhattan, kansas is not a great location for college basketball.
however, talking about location with respect to kstate and dca is missing the point. when malone liked kstate, kstate signed 6 dca players over a two year span, when malone didn't like kstate, kstate signed zero dca players. over that same period, the two nationally prominent power schools in the dmv area signed zero dca players. malone didn't like them. rutgers, located within the region, went from signing zero dca players over the previous five years to signing everyone they had available when they hired a coach that malone wanted them to hire.
like location, connections always matter in recruiting, however; in the specific case of players influenced by curtis malone, there is abundant evidence that connections are far more important than location.
those bringing up transfers & martin's demeanor also miss the point, although it is more understandable. we may not have seen it at the time, or at least, for a time, we tried to convince ourselves that we weren't seeing what we thought we were, but malone turned off the dca player spigot long before judge left, before sutton left, perhaps even before anderson left (can't recall, don't want to check, but i'm pretty sure). when malone stopped bringing players out for kstate elite camps, it was over. when malone stopped sending dca to mokan's tournament, it was over.
Your point is well taken but there is a distinction that needs to be made. Gary got butt hurt and appeared to cut off his nose to spite his face as it relates to DCA. He was publicly calling people out. Frank, Dalonte, and K-State would have crawled over hot coals to get even DCA scraps. Malone didn't need to feel pressured to keep a kid or two at UMD because Williams was publicly burning bridges.
To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
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location absolutely matters in recruiting, and manhattan, kansas is not a great location for college basketball.
however, talking about location with respect to kstate and dca is missing the point. when malone liked kstate, kstate signed 6 dca players over a two year span, when malone didn't like kstate, kstate signed zero dca players. over that same period, the two nationally prominent power schools in the dmv area signed zero dca players. malone didn't like them. rutgers, located within the region, went from signing zero dca players over the previous five years to signing everyone they had available when they hired a coach that malone wanted them to hire.
like location, connections always matter in recruiting, however; in the specific case of players influenced by curtis malone, there is abundant evidence that connections are far more important than location.
those bringing up transfers & martin's demeanor also miss the point, although it is more understandable. we may not have seen it at the time, or at least, for a time, we tried to convince ourselves that we weren't seeing what we thought we were, but malone turned off the dca player spigot long before judge left, before sutton left, perhaps even before anderson left (can't recall, don't want to check, but i'm pretty sure). when malone stopped bringing players out for kstate elite camps, it was over. when malone stopped sending dca to mokan's tournament, it was over.
Your point is well taken but there is a distinction that needs to be made. Gary got butt hurt and appeared to cut off his nose to spite his face as it relates to DCA. He was publicly calling people out. Frank, Dalonte, and K-State would have crawled over hot coals to get even DCA scraps. Malone didn't need to feel pressured to keep a kid or two at UMD because Williams was publicly burning bridges.
To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
I am not 100% up to speed on Cox's leaving GT for Rutgers. Was the DCA spigot shut off at GT like it was at KSU when Cox was still there?
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude.
that's a good way to put it. that's what it feels like to me too. from malone's perspective though, i think he just doesn't give second chances.
as for williams, he won a nat'l championship and he knows what malone is. i have no idea how or when he learned, but if i had to guess, i'd guess he didn't take a eff malone attitude until he found out.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude.
that's a good way to put it. that's what it feels like to me too. from malone's perspective though, i think he just doesn't give second chances.
as for williams, he won a nat'l championship and he knows what malone is. i have no idea how or when he learned, but if i had to guess, i'd guess he didn't take a eff malone attitude until he found out.
Was GW some saint when he won at Maryland?
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I am not 100% up to speed on Cox's leaving GT for Rutgers. Was the DCA spigot shut off at GT like it was at KSU when Cox was still there?
g'town coach craig esherick signed dca recruit jeff green but was fired before coaching him. green stayed to play under jt3, left in 2007 spurning joel bell to hire a different agent.
in 2008, jt3 hired former dca coach david cox from pittsburg in an attempt to repair relations with dca. cox secured a verbal commit from 2011 dca jordan goodman, but left g'town for rutgers, taking goodman, following the 2009-2010 season. jt3 has never signed a dca recruit, before or after hiring cox.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
yeah, we got totally mumped in that deal.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
...Beaz telling all his original handlers to eff off?
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?
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Why does it matter that we get our mediocre recruits from DC Assault rather than from somewhere else?
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Jorge Fernandez?? (http://www.kitchenkc.com/2011/05/jorge-fernandez-k-state-assistant.html)
If he just has Florida ties...seems kind of pointless :dunno:
kitchen is a clown & bp has quashed this Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) idea.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?
How so? We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations. Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything. Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.
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Tonight's Real World makes me think Maryland is incredibly lame.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?
How so? We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations. Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything. Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.
no, the situations are, at the end of the day, the same: pissed off curtis = no players. the reasons are irrelevant. it wouldn't matter if frank got cut out because he wore a red shirt and curtis was formerly a crip or that gary williams wiped his ass on curtis' face. in the end, they are the same and curtis won't forgive (apparently). my point, you f'ing dumbass, is that it's on frank/the head coach, not 'te, not some stupid "we're in kansas we can't recruit" (as if f'ng lawrence is somehow located in maryland) bullsh*t.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?
How so? We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations. Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything. Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.
not some stupid "we're in kansas we can't recruit" (as if f'ng lawrence is somehow located in maryland) bullsh*t.
My God you are rough ridin' stupid, I specifically said that KU has to sell their location as well. I never said anything about not being able to recruit because we are in Kansas. Either you can't read or have real comprehension issues, whatever it is it amounts to you being real simple. Too simple to get as worked up as you do. I'm starting to think your perpetual butt hurt just comes from a lack of understanding basic crap.
Why do you care so much about whether or not we get another DCA player and how Frank is so culpable? You've convinced yourself of something that you have no working knowledge of. Just keep being mad, you're really good at it.
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I don't like it when 'zacker and MIR fight.
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I can see that, but its clear that Gary Williams thought he was above and beyond using recruiters like Dalonte Hill to recruit locally. He could have easily got a Dalonte himself if he wanted to with DC connections.
That said, I do agree that Frank doesn't always make things easy on himself for recruiting for the reasons you said, but I also don't think he's going to change.
Dalonte interviewed with Williams while he had Beas in his pocket. Gary hired one of his former BC players, Michael Adams, instead.
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To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude. I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3. I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.
both pissed curtis off. as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter. but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming. my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH. and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot.
It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.
also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?
How so? We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations. Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything. Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.
no, the situations are, at the end of the day, the same: pissed off curtis = no players. the reasons are irrelevant. it wouldn't matter if frank got cut out because he wore a red shirt and curtis was formerly a crip or that gary williams wiped his ass on curtis' face. in the end, they are the same and curtis won't forgive (apparently). my point, you f'ing dumbass, is that it's on frank/the head coach, not 'te, not some stupid "we're in kansas we can't recruit" (as if f'ng lawrence is somehow located in maryland) bullsh*t.
Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
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there's a november, 2009 gpc article that has malone talking about kstate. anyone care to share? would love to hear some "i don't keep kids from going to maryland" style bs.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
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I don't like it when 'zacker and MIR fight.
I, on the other hand, love it.
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I don't understand the points that half of the people I'm this thread are trying to make and actually feel number for having read it, which is tough because I already know that I'm not very smart.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
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Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.
I guess I don't care about the reasons why, just the results. If frank couldn't get recuits because everyone in america hated cuban coaches, then it wouldn't matter if that reason was out of frank's hands or illogical...it would only matter that frank couldn't get recruits.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
:powerespect:
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Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.
I guess I don't care about the reasons why, just the results. If frank couldn't get recuits because everyone in america hated cuban coaches, then it wouldn't matter if that reason was out of frank's hands or illogical...it would only matter that frank couldn't get recruits.
Tap out.
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You guys are having a hard time of handling this. We're supposed to be in the speculation stage. Not the be a bitch and argue over semantics and other useless crap stage.
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This isn't a bad thing for K-State unless we quit being able to get any top 150 recruits, which is unlikely. Our recruiting will probably not drop off any more than it already has the past couple years, and it's possible we hire someone that can recruit some good players for us. But the most likely scenario is that our recruiting stays the same.
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there's a november, 2009 gpc article that has malone talking about kstate. anyone care to share? would love to hear some "i don't keep kids from going to maryland" style bs.
I recall that was a rather limited year for high major talent at DCA.
As I remember it, Beasley and to some extent McGruder and Judge were coached by Dalonte when they were little kids (10 or 11 years old). It would seem reasonable it would take that kind of relationship to get kids from the DC metro to come to KSU and once all the kids Dalonte had established relationships with had matriculated through the system his effectiveness was going to be reduced.
Then you add in Joe Bell missing out on the nearly 500k from Beasley's rookie contract and one can make a case that Dalonte's value to KSU was on the decline. It will be most interesting to see if Dalonte immediately pulls DCA recruits to UMD but I feel the fact Dalonte's kids had all grown up was the greater factor for the KSU - DCA pipeline to dry up.
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but I feel the fact Dalonte's kids had all grown up was the greater factor for the KSU - DCA pipeline to dry up.
no puppet master? :eek:
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You guys are having a hard time of handling this. We're supposed to be in the speculation stage. Not the be a bitch and argue over semantics and other useless crap stage.
I'm kind of in this camp.
It's pretty clear that Frank is going to be here at least one more year, and that the DCA pipeline is dead. Reasons, backstory, etc. are irrelevant. We can't put the cat back in the bag.
I just want to know who fills that spot and what pipeline it opens up. Texas has started to look somewhat promising for us; is that where we're going next? Is there anyone with NYC connections that can help us continue our expansion there? I don't see a need to go back to the Miami/Florida camp to round out the staff; we're fine in that regard.
So, what's next?
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I'd like for sys and UW to be put on staff as administrative assistants and let them select anybody they want to carry out their recruiting wishes.
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I'd like for sys and UW to be put on staff as administrative assistants and let them select anybody they want to carry out their recruiting wishes.
LOL
"I can't coach a lick but I can sure recruit some guys that are hard to guard" - paraprhasing Guy Lewis, architect of Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma days.
That'd be my philosopy at least, but we'd probably end up mining the KS JC's in the Spring and searching for any academic casualties who might happen to also have some game.
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So, what's next?
we wait to see who franks hires next and we get into semantics about just how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) of a hire it is.
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I'd like for sys and UW to be put on staff as administrative assistants and let them select anybody they want to carry out their recruiting wishes.
LOL
"I can't coach a lick but I can sure recruit some guys that are hard to guard" - paraprhasing Guy Lewis, architect of Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma days.
That'd be my philosopy at least, but we'd probably end up mining the KS JC's in the Spring and searching for any academic casualties who might happen to also have some game.
that should be every coach's philosophy.
Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.
I guess I don't care about the reasons why, just the results. If frank couldn't get recuits because everyone in america hated cuban coaches, then it wouldn't matter if that reason was out of frank's hands or illogical...it would only matter that frank couldn't get recruits.
That's fine. I guess what I'm trying to say is be pissed at Frank for not picking up the lack of DCA recruits elsewhere, rather than being pissed at him for not landing DCA recruits any more. You know, semantics.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
:bball:
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
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i really don't know what it means, but i saw it and i like it...
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
this place is getting more and more MakItRainy every single day
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
this place is getting more and more MakItRainy every single day
I follow my insulting rants up with an actual point, I was really hoping the weirdo had one
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
this place is getting more and more MakItRainy every single day
I follow my insulting rants up with an actual point, I was really hoping the weirdo had one
can i call you fitz jr.? i mean, that's what you'll be known as from now on. fitz jr.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
this place is getting more and more MakItRainy every single day
I follow my insulting rants up with an actual point, I was really hoping the weirdo had one
can i call you fitz jr.? i mean, that's what you'll be known as from now on. fitz jr.
Sure. I have no idea what that means but sure call me whatever you want. I picture your real life interactions with people being this akward.
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beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008. judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007. we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008. if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?
The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.
if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.
Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted? Is that the source of all this angst?
it was sorta like that. at least that's what i've been told by racists that should know.
yeah, i slapped mir with a powerespect Approved for that shiz.
So using this logic we can deduce that KSU didn't want Nolan Smith and Arinze Onuaku? We had our pick right?
huh? you must be the village idiot in a village full of idiots or something. here's how this thing works. you tell me the powerespect Approved interpretation of a situation and i accept it without question. why the eff is that so hard for your way smaller than pea sized brain to comprehend? now, go back to your Gum Scraping Specialist job and don't come back until you have a rough ridin' clue.
this place is getting more and more MakItRainy every single day
I follow my insulting rants up with an actual point, I was really hoping the weirdo had one
can i call you fitz jr.? i mean, that's what you'll be known as from now on. fitz jr.
Sure. I have no idea what that means but sure call me whatever you want. I picture your real life interactions with people being this akward.
Trust me. Fitz Jr. is way better than MakeItRain. You're going to start getting a lot more popular now.
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"It's Lamont Evans"
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so who ended up winning this argument?
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so who ended up winning this argument?
goEMAW
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fitz jr tapped out. then fitz jr took an iq test for fun and scored another 60. then it was time for fitz jr to head to fitz jr's auto detailing job at the ford dealership.
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goEMAW currently still winning
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goEMAW currently still winning
At this point I guess I just feel like I'm going to need some more data.
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fitz jr tapped out. then fitz jr took an iq test for fun and scored another 60. then it was time for fitz jr to head to fitz jr's auto detailing job at the ford dealership.
You over played your hand in one post. I still have no idea what the eff this means though. Does the fitz jr. nickname have anything to do with your extreme awkwardness and apparent social anxiety? Keep it weird homeboy.
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fitz jr tapped out. then fitz jr took an iq test for fun and scored another 60. then it was time for fitz jr to head to fitz jr's auto detailing job at the ford dealership.
You over played your hand in one post. I still have no idea what the eff this means though. Does the fitz jr. nickname have anything to do with your extreme awkwardness and apparent social anxiety? Keep it weird homeboy.
I support this.
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fitz jr tapped out. then fitz jr took an iq test for fun and scored another 60. then it was time for fitz jr to head to fitz jr's auto detailing job at the ford dealership.
You over played your hand in one post. I still have no idea what the eff this means though. Does the fitz jr. nickname have anything to do with your extreme awkwardness and apparent social anxiety? Keep it weird homeboy.
tapout noted, fitz jr. your posts are like elephant diarrhea filled with chunks of short bus. but i understand it's not easy to be a mediocre door to door vaccuum cleaner sales assistant.
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oh my god
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So figger is now our top recruiter...
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So figger is now our top recruiter...
yeah luckily for us Frank is organizing his thoughts on what things he has to do each day to make everyone in our organization better. AWESOME