Dalonte

[MakeItRain]

if people actually melt down over him being able to get DC kids to stay home and go to Maryland when he couldn't get them to come to K-State, they're respected.

He will get kids to go there and Turg can't possible rack up a body count higher than (Ron Anderson, Dominique Sutton, Wally Judge) Frank.

just like when cox moved to rutgers from g'town.  getting farther away from dc wasn't what let him rack up the dca recruits, it was getting away from screaming lunatic jt3 and settling in under nice, calm, kittens & sugar rice.

This is my favorite sys post ever.  Well done mate

[KSUBrian]

I say go after that new WSU assistant that has ties to PE.  Shirley part of $450K could get him from the shucks.

[MakeItRain]

Most of you are fairly stupid.  It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.

When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank.  Hill has something completely different to sell.  What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to.  Curtis Malone has no rough ridin' choice than to get over whatever his beef was.  It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.

Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program.  I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread.  

[MakeItRain]

I say go after that new WSU assistant that has ties to PE.  Shirley part of $450K could get him from the shucks.

You're likely to meet your ultimate demise by wakeboarding on I-70 behind a '96 F-150.

[KSUBrian]

I say go after that new WSU assistant that has ties to PE.  Shirley part of $450K could get him from the shucks.

You're likely to meet your ultimate demise by wakeboarding on I-70 behind a '96 F-150.

Sounds like fun.  Break out a case of BL pounders and lets get after it.

[chum1]

love it when dumbasses call out other people for being dumbasses.  love it even more when they congratulate themselves on belonging to a small group of non-dumbasses.

[kso_FAN]

Most of you are fairly stupid.  It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.

When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank.  Hill has something completely different to sell.  What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to.  Curtis Malone has no effing choice than to get over whatever his beef was.  It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.

Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program.  I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread. 

Thank you MIR.

Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan, but its harder to recruit to Manhattan. Not impossible, but harder. I think that's why Frank went down the 3-star road eventually, especially after the many swing and misses in the Awaji class. I would hope we can get some connections to pull in a few more 4 star type kids, but we'll see.

[Cire]

Most of you are fairly stupid.  It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.

When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank.  Hill has something completely different to sell.  What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to.  Curtis Malone has no effing choice than to get over whatever his beef was.  It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.

Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program.  I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread. 

Thank you MIR.

Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan,

 

[kso_FAN]

Most of you are fairly stupid.  It's been explained to you dumbasses about 10 different ways in this thread but I'll give it a different try in hopes of getting through to you donkeys.

When 'Te has some recruiting success at Maryland it doesn't automatically reflect poorly on Frank.  Hill has something completely different to sell.  What he is now selling is a better fit for who he is selling to.  Curtis Malone has no effing choice than to get over whatever his beef was.  It's easy to blow Hill off when he is in Manhattan, KS; it will be impossible when he is coaching in the ACC, at a school literally 15 minutes down the street who won a national championship recently.

Turgeon wants him because his role and usefulness is completely different for that program.  I'm baffled as to how this seems to be obvious to about 4 people posting in this thread.  

Thank you MIR.

Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan,

 

At some point you have to face reality. Beasley, Walker was likely once in a lifetime for the K-State fan. McGruder, Judge was really darn good.

However, Pullen, Kelly, Clemente is doable on a consistent basis. Pull in good 3 stars (and hopefully a few 4 stars) and develop them, then add in good transfers that produce. Its not a bleak outlook, its just reality.

JMHO.

[CHONGS]

Then we have hit our peak

[kso_FAN]

Then we have hit our peak

No, I don't necessarily think so. I think this staff could put together a team similar to the 09-10 team; a clear Final 4 caliber team.

I'm just saying that formula is repeatable b/c that wasn't a team based on having multiple 4/5 star players that we recruited as FR as the key parts of the team. It was developed 3 stars and transfers as the core and I think you can win at K-State with that. I'm just not expecting K-State to pull in Top 20 recruiting classes year after year. I suppose I had hoped that at one point, and maybe if Huggs had stayed it would be possible, but I'm not sure its possible with Frank. If you don't want that, then you may as well root for Frank to fail and hope Currie can get a better option.

[CHONGS]

I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing.  IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.

[WillieWatanabe]

I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing.  IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.

Well Dax loses a talking point, so that may be a good thing or a bad thing as well.

[kso_FAN]

I just think it's wishful thinking on our part to think that losing Hill is a good thing.  IMHO at best its a neutral thing. Nothing to celebrate.

I agree with that. The positive I see is the possibility of some intriguing BBSing the next week or so, not that losing Hill was good for K-State basketball.

[chum1]

hell, yes, it's wishful thinking. we wish we can get someone better. and when we don't, we're going to bitch about it. is that okay with everyone?

[chum1]

also, thanks to fan for his wonderful insight that grcoat ain't happening every year.

[kso_FAN]

hell, yes, it's wishful thinking. we wish we can get someone better. and when we don't, we're going to bitch about it. is that okay with everyone?

Of course, its a message board.

[catzacker]

Thank you MIR.

Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan, but its harder to recruit to Manhattan. Not impossible, but harder. I think that's why Frank went down the 3-star road eventually, especially after the many swing and misses in the Awaji class. I would hope we can get some connections to pull in a few more 4 star type kids, but we'll see.

this point is, imo, decimated when you look/think about why maryland can't/hasn't gotten the local talent to stay in maryland, relatively speaking.  you could point to increased competition (i.e. pitt, gt, etc.) but the university of maryland has, as far as I know, not changed locations over the past 5 years.  neither has st. john's.  and location certainly never kept other dca kids (regardless of their ability or lack thereof) from coming to manhattan

it might be hard/difficult to recruit to manhattan, but Frank/the head coach can make/has made it hardER with his nfl free agency version of college recruiting and however he was blamed for beasley's agent.  curtis can keep kids from maryland or send them to ksu, location be damned.

[PoetWarrior]

You know what's frustrating?

Baylor.

[kso_FAN]

Thank you MIR.

Nobody likes to admit its harder to recruit to Manhattan, but its harder to recruit to Manhattan. Not impossible, but harder. I think that's why Frank went down the 3-star road eventually, especially after the many swing and misses in the Awaji class. I would hope we can get some connections to pull in a few more 4 star type kids, but we'll see.

this point is, imo, decimated when you look/think about why maryland can't/hasn't gotten the local talent to stay in maryland, relatively speaking.  you could point to increased competition (i.e. pitt, gt, etc.) but the university of maryland has, as far as I know, not changed locations over the past 5 years.  neither has st. john's.  and location certainly never kept other dca kids (regardless of their ability or lack thereof) from coming to manhattan

it might be hard/difficult to recruit to manhattan, but Frank/the head coach can make/has made it hardER with his nfl free agency version of college recruiting and however he was blamed for beasley's agent.  curtis can keep kids from maryland or send them to ksu, location be damned.

I can see that, but its clear that Gary Williams thought he was above and beyond using recruiters like Dalonte Hill to recruit locally. He could have easily got a Dalonte himself if he wanted to with DC connections.

That said, I do agree that Frank doesn't always make things easy on himself for recruiting for the reasons you said, but I also don't think he's going to change.

[kso_FAN]

You know what's frustrating?

Baylor.

Baylor is in TX and uses good TX connections to bring in good TX kids. I don't find Baylor frustrating at all, and if anything we'd probably have better luck using connections like theirs (if we can find some) than east coast or Florida connections b/c you could at least promise that a player will come back home 2-3 times per season.

[catzacker]

i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan.  I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all.  Anyone have any theories?

[kitten_mittons]

i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan.  I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all.  Anyone have any theories?

They suck and don't have better options.

[kso_FAN]

i wonder how frank gets florida kids to go to Manhattan.  I suppose it's magic, what with Manhattan's location and all.  Anyone have any theories?

They are 3 star players. I think we can get 3 star talent from about anywhere with decent connections. Plus his Florida connections with Shaky and Art are about as good as you can get, and its with the head coach. If we can find an assistant with those types of connections that would be great, but I think its harder to do and maintain, just as our connections with Hill and DC eventually ran out.

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

Do you think maybe Hill was getting tired of Franks act?  I could see him getting tired of being the guy that has to tell the kids that are getting there scholarship ripped for a incoming transfer that nobody knows anything about. 

Delonte - Um, yeah, Juvole can I talk to you for a second?
Myles - yeah coach whats up, I've been working on those moves you showed me.
Delonte - Oh yeah?  That's great.
Myles - Yeah I can't wait to show what I've got next year.
Delonte - HMMM.  Listen, you're a great kid and I hate doing this to you but we will not be giving you a sholarship next year.
Myles     
 Frank enters room
Frank- Juvole what's wrong?
Myles-So I'm not going to be on scholarship next year?
Frank- Well I gave that choice to Delonte you will have to take it up with him.
Delonte-