Dalonte

[MakeItRain]

To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude.  I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3.  I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.

both pissed curtis off.  as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter.  but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming.  my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH.  and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot. 

It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.

also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?

How so?  We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations.  Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything.  Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.

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Tonight's Real World makes me think Maryland is incredibly lame.

[catzacker]

To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude.  I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3.  I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.

both pissed curtis off.  as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter.  but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming.  my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH.  and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot. 

It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.

also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?

How so?  We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations.  Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything.  Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.

no, the situations are, at the end of the day, the same:  pissed off curtis = no players.  the reasons are irrelevant.  it wouldn't matter if frank got cut out because he wore a red shirt and curtis was formerly a crip or that gary williams wiped his ass on curtis' face.  in the end, they are the same and curtis won't forgive (apparently).  my point, you f'ing dumbass, is that it's on frank/the head coach, not 'te, not some stupid "we're in kansas we can't recruit" (as if f'ng lawrence is somehow located in maryland) bullsh*t. 

[MakeItRain]

To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude.  I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3.  I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.

both pissed curtis off.  as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter.  but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming.  my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH.  and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot. 

It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.

also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?

How so?  We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations.  Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything.  Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.

not some stupid "we're in kansas we can't recruit" (as if f'ng lawrence is somehow located in maryland) bullsh*t. 

My God you are rough ridin' stupid, I specifically said that KU has to sell their location as well.  I never said anything about not being able to recruit because we are in Kansas.  Either you can't read or have real comprehension issues, whatever it is it amounts to you being real simple.  Too simple to get as worked up as you do.  I'm starting to think your perpetual butt hurt just comes from a lack of understanding basic crap.

Why do you care so much about whether or not we get another DCA player and how Frank is so culpable?  You've convinced yourself of something that you have no working knowledge of.  Just keep being mad, you're really good at it.

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I don't like it when 'zacker and MIR fight.

[bozocat]

I can see that, but its clear that Gary Williams thought he was above and beyond using recruiters like Dalonte Hill to recruit locally. He could have easily got a Dalonte himself if he wanted to with DC connections.

That said, I do agree that Frank doesn't always make things easy on himself for recruiting for the reasons you said, but I also don't think he's going to change.

Dalonte interviewed with Williams while he had Beas in his pocket.  Gary hired one of his former BC players, Michael Adams, instead.   

[michigancat]

To put it crudely but succinctly; it seems to me that Gary Williams took a eff Curtis Malone attitude and Curtis Malone took a eff K-State attitude.  I have no idea what the dynamic is between DCA and JT3.  I know there are some fairly influential people who hate the crap out of his pops though.

both pissed curtis off.  as sys pointed out, when we were in curtis' favor, nothing seemed to matter.  but when frank, for whatever reason(s), pissed curtis off, they stopped coming.  my point is that it's not 'te, not manhattan, ks, not KSU.....it's FRANK/THE HEAD COACH.  and the reason(s), whether they are logical or illogical, are moot. 

It wasn't Frank that took us out of Curtis's favor. It was pretty much out of his control.

also, so I suppose 'te leaving to maryland will be a case study in whether or not curtis' hate is transferable?

How so?  We've spent the last two pages explaining the differences in the situations.  Seeing shades of gray will help you with your perpetual bitching and dissatisfaction with everything.  Not everything in the world is a zero sum game.

no, the situations are, at the end of the day, the same:  pissed off curtis = no players.  the reasons are irrelevant.  it wouldn't matter if frank got cut out because he wore a red shirt and curtis was formerly a crip or that gary williams wiped his ass on curtis' face.  in the end, they are the same and curtis won't forgive (apparently).  my point, you f'ing dumbass, is that it's on frank/the head coach, not 'te, not some stupid "we're in kansas we can't recruit" (as if f'ng lawrence is somehow located in maryland) bullsh*t. 

Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.

[chum1]

beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008.  judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007.  we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008.  if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?

[chum1]

there's a november, 2009 gpc article that has malone talking about kstate.  anyone care to share?  would love to hear some "i don't keep kids from going to maryland" style bs.

[michigancat]

beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008.  judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007.  we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008.  if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?

The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.

[chum1]

beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008.  judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007.  we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008.  if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?

The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.

if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.

[Johnny Wichita]

I don't like it when 'zacker and MIR fight.

I, on the other hand, love it. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

I don't understand the points that half of the people I'm this thread are trying to make and actually feel number for having read it, which is tough because I already know that I'm not very smart.

[MakeItRain]

beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008.  judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007.  we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008.  if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?

The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.

if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.

Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted?  Is that the source of all this angst?

[catzacker]

Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.

I guess I don't care about the reasons why, just the results.  If frank couldn't get recuits because everyone in america hated cuban coaches, then it wouldn't matter if that reason was out of frank's hands or illogical...it would only matter that frank couldn't get recruits.  

[chum1]

beasley dumped bell in fall of 2008.  judge and mcgruder committed for 2009 in fall of 2007.  we needed recruits in 2010, yet had none from dca for 2010 in fall of 2008.  if beasley dumping bell was the end of the pipeline, why did it seem to be dry a year prior?

The signing day for the 2010 class was in fall of 2009. Judge and McGruder committed really early. So there was a full AAU summer post-Bell-dumping before the 2010 fall signing period.

if malone was the puppet master and not yet sour on kstate, he should have had tranham all geared up to go by then and also had some other recruits to offer kstate.

Is it that you and zacker think that KSU and DCA had some kind of exclusive deal where KSU could just pick whomever they wanted?  Is that the source of all this angst?

 :powerespect:

[Johnny Wichita]

Do you seriously not understand the Joel Bell situation, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Because I think you're choosing to ignore it.

I guess I don't care about the reasons why, just the results.  If frank couldn't get recuits because everyone in america hated cuban coaches, then it wouldn't matter if that reason was out of frank's hands or illogical...it would only matter that frank couldn't get recruits.  

Tap out. 

[ew2x4]

You guys are having a hard time of handling this. We're supposed to be in the speculation stage. Not the be a bitch and argue over semantics and other useless crap stage.

[kitten_mittons]

This isn't a bad thing for K-State unless we quit being able to get any top 150 recruits, which is unlikely.  Our recruiting will probably not drop off any more than it already has the past couple years, and it's possible we hire someone that can recruit some good players for us.  But the most likely scenario is that our recruiting stays the same.

[Skipper44]

there's a november, 2009 gpc article that has malone talking about kstate.  anyone care to share?  would love to hear some "i don't keep kids from going to maryland" style bs.

I recall that was a rather limited year for high major talent at DCA.

As I remember it, Beasley and to some extent McGruder and Judge were coached by Dalonte when they were little kids (10 or 11 years old).  It would seem reasonable it would take that kind of relationship to get kids from the DC metro to come to KSU and once all the kids Dalonte had established relationships with had matriculated through the system his effectiveness was going to be reduced.

Then you add in Joe Bell missing out on the nearly 500k from Beasley's rookie contract and one can make a case that Dalonte's value to KSU was on the decline.  It will be most interesting to see if Dalonte immediately pulls DCA recruits to UMD but I feel the fact Dalonte's kids had all grown up was the greater factor for the KSU - DCA pipeline to dry up.

[chum1]

but I feel the fact Dalonte's kids had all grown up was the greater factor for the KSU - DCA pipeline to dry up.

no puppet master?   

[Panjandrum]

You guys are having a hard time of handling this. We're supposed to be in the speculation stage. Not the be a bitch and argue over semantics and other useless crap stage.

I'm kind of in this camp. 

It's pretty clear that Frank is going to be here at least one more year, and that the DCA pipeline is dead.  Reasons, backstory, etc. are irrelevant.  We can't put the cat back in the bag.

I just want to know who fills that spot and what pipeline it opens up.  Texas has started to look somewhat promising for us; is that where we're going next?  Is there anyone with NYC connections that can help us continue our expansion there?  I don't see a need to go back to the Miami/Florida camp to round out the staff; we're fine in that regard.

So, what's next?

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I'd like for sys and UW to be put on staff as administrative assistants and let them select anybody they want to carry out their recruiting wishes.

[Underdog Wildcat]

I'd like for sys and UW to be put on staff as administrative assistants and let them select anybody they want to carry out their recruiting wishes.

LOL

"I can't coach a lick but I can sure recruit some guys that are hard to guard" - paraprhasing Guy Lewis, architect of Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma days.

That'd be my philosopy at least, but we'd probably end up mining the KS JC's in the Spring and searching for any academic casualties who might happen to also have some game.

[catzacker]

So, what's next?

we wait to see who franks hires next and we get into semantics about just how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) of a hire it is.