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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 17, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
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keep them in here or i will force choke you
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Luke Skywalker is Kylo Ren.
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I've never seen any of the star wars, but I bet someone dies in this one.
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https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/677347145423417344
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They are showing this thing here at 7 tonight. People all are Star Wars everything all the time always right now.
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Spoiler: Carrie Fischer smoked 10,000,000 packs of cigarettes between episode 6 and 7
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The plot is on the movie's wikipedia page. What a time-saver.
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Not great, but not bad either. Appropriate transition.
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Spoiler: Carrie Fischer smoked 10,000,000 packs of cigarettes between episode 6 and 7
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FreundinSonntag and i were debating, if her oscar Jenner face was the result of some work or from CGI. What were your thoughts?
Not great, but not bad either. Appropriate transition.
I concur
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Spoiler: Carrie Fischer smoked 10,000,000 packs of cigarettes between episode 6 and 7
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FreundinSonntag and i were debating, if her oscar Jenner face was the result of some work or from CGI. What were your thoughts?
:D
I think it's the result of some work, personally. Or perhaps just poor aging. Not everyone can be old Harrison Ford.
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i really liked it. first time i've set foot in a movie theater since 2010 (Inception). they've changed.
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I've never seen any of the star wars, but I bet someone dies in this one.
Was I right, dorks?
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yes
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I knew it! :billdance:
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I knew it! :billdance:
that poor stormtrooper :-(
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This one has an episode 4 feel to it. Setting up from some crazy stuff in the next two. Wasn't surprised to only see Luke for 30 seconds at the end of the movie. I hope he plays a major role in the next one or two but I have a feeling his fate will be similar to Yoda and Obi-Wan's. I think Rey and Ren are bro/sis but that wasn't eluded to at all. Just like when Yoda said there was another in episode 5, I feel like Rey is the other since Ren turned on Luke and went to the Dark Side.
Also I'm thinking Finn might be a Jedi as well. He is not a clone and had the courage to leave the New Order. He seemed to handle a light saber pretty good.
Is Poe just some badass pilot? Is he similar to Han Solo? Curious as to how his character will continue to develop.
Maz is a grandmother full of wisdom. I like this character and hope to see more. She is like Yoda minus Jedi (unless she is a liar).
I thought Gwendoline Christie's character would play a bigger part. It didn't but I'm also ok with that.
R.I.P Han. Chewbacca will miss you.
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It's pretty much like when they rebooted 90210.
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star wars blows. the original saga was great. everything after has sucked donkey gnads
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https://twitter.com/StorytellerMatt/status/677925675748069377
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Little Pete was heartbroken by this one. I mean, he was really torn up by the death of Han. Han was my favorite of all time as well, and if I had watched Han die when I was 8 years old I would have lost it too.
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We were thinking Rey is Luke's kid, Ren's cousin. And, that Fin and Poe (and Rey) were all some of the younglings in Luke's program when it was disbanded.
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We were thinking Rey is Luke's kid, Ren's cousin. And, that Fin and Poe (and Rey) were all some of the younglings in Luke's program when it was disbanded.
I'm on board with Rey being Luke's kid. I 100% agree. But there's no way that she nor Finn were in the jedi program. They would have remembered that crap.
I'm still not sure what to think of the movie overall. I think it was a good reboot, but maybe expected more. There were some things that happened that didn't make sense. Like, when they blew up the Republic, that was the first mention of the Republic even existing still. Much less being a huge enemy.
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I liked it a lot. Han's death was sad, but not unexpected. Abrams did a good job.
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I was in the "Luke stashed his daughter on Jakka in case some crap goes down" camp, but wouldn't Han and Leia know if Luke had a kid? She'd at least get a mention in the race to find Luke. Even if they thought Ren killed her in his massacre, you'd think they'd mention it when explaining why Luke went into exile.
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Rey is definitely Luke's kid. I dig the male/female, dark/light/, cousin vs cousin thing that will continue in the next 2
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Pretty good. Lots of fun. Bouncy. Maybe a little too much doofy hat tipping, but that should be expected. I wish they would not have chosen to go with a galactic superweapon again for the episode level plot
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Pretty good. Lots of fun. Bouncy. Maybe a little too much doofy hat tipping, but that should be expected. I wish they would not have chosen to go with a galactic superweapon again for the episode level plot
Yeah, agreed. I wish they could have found something new instead of deathstar 3.0. I loved when the resistance was like "Oh no, it's the deathstar again!" then someone showed the two next to each other, and it was essentially the same thing, just way bigger.
I did like the movie, but it was very recycled. Bad guy with a mask who is related to a good guy. Find the main character on a desert planet. Large spherical base that shoots lasers and blows up planets. The Droid carries secret messages.
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Rey is definitely Luke's kid. I dig the male/female, dark/light/, cousin vs cousin thing that will continue in the next 2
Or Obi-Wan's daughter?
:dunno:
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I feel like #9 will end with Rey bringing Ren to the light side somehow. Feels like this last trilogy will be about redemption. Luke will definitely make an obi-wan sacrifice at some point
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I feel like #9 will end with Rey bringing Ren to the light side somehow. Feels like this last trilogy will be about redemption. Luke will definitely make an obi-wan sacrifice at some point
I mean, it will essentially be 4-6 redone. So the first movie was about finding the next jedi. Next one will be about training etc. Third one will be about fighting the bad guy/converting him.
One other thing I don't get. Why did they have to change the name from "the rebel alliance" (bad ass name btw) to "the resistance"? I get why the Empire had to change, with them all being blown up, but the rebels were all very much alive. In fact, the leader of the rebels is now the leader of the resistance! Did their marketing team decide it was time for a brand change or something?
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i thought it was awesome and had a lot of fun watching it. it was pretty recycled but still really enjoyed it.
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I think I might go see it again tonight.
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I forced, pun intended the wife to watch 4,5,6 yesterday and today.
We are ready
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I just read where JJ was going to initial kill off Poe, and had even hired the actor with the actor knowing that the character was getting killed off. Then, JJ reconsidered, apparently, and told the actor that he was going to change some stuff and the actor was going to be in the full movie.
So, it would seem that Poe isn't part of some larger plot, unless JJ completely redid big plot aspects very late in the process.
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Are the next 2 movies' stories written yet? I'll take those spoilers right now if they exist.
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Are the next 2 movies' stories written yet? I'll take those spoilers right now if they exist.
I've seen that the general outline is written
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I thought it was p. decent.
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I really liked it, and lil CF3 loved it, although he had some serious Q's about a lot of stuff
I wanna know who is that supreme comander smoak guy? What's his deal?
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I really liked it, and lil CF3 loved it, although he had some serious Q's about a lot of stuff
I wanna know who is that supreme comander smoak guy? What's his deal?
snoke is Darth Plagueis
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I really liked it, and lil CF3 loved it, although he had some serious Q's about a lot of stuff
I wanna know who is that supreme comander smoak guy? What's his deal?
snoke is Darth Plagueis
I 100% don't believe this
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lil CF3 as I tucked him in: "Dad, why didn't chewbacca just shoot that bridge that Kylo Ren was on and make it fall down when Kylo Ren poked Hans solo with his red light saber? He just stood there and yelled weird noises."
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Rey is definitely Luke's kid. I dig the male/female, dark/light/, cousin vs cousin thing that will continue in the next 2
I thought that walking out of the theater but it almost seems too easy. I like the theory that the main characters were in Luke's Jedi training program.
I have a feel the new supreme leader guy is like super small (hence the really big hologram) and maybe related to Yoda?
C3P0 and Chewbacca need to go away.
The story overall felt too much like the same old script.
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Rey is definitely Luke's kid. I dig the male/female, dark/light/, cousin vs cousin thing that will continue in the next 2
I thought that walking out of the theater but it almost seems too easy. I like the theory that the main characters were in Luke's Jedi training program.
I have a feel the new supreme leader guy is like super small (hence the really big hologram) and maybe related to Yoda?
C3P0 and Chewbacca need to go away.
The story overall felt too much like the same old script.
3PO had like, 3 minutes of screen time. Chewy will probably see his role reduced without Solo around
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Rey is definitely Luke's kid. I dig the male/female, dark/light/, cousin vs cousin thing that will continue in the next 2
I thought that walking out of the theater but it almost seems too easy. I like the theory that the main characters were in Luke's Jedi training program.
I have a feel the new supreme leader guy is like super small (hence the really big hologram) and maybe related to Yoda?
C3P0 and Chewbacca need to go away.
The story overall felt too much like the same old script.
3PO had like, 3 minutes of screen time. Chewy will probably see his role reduced without Solo around
Yeah I know, just didn't see the need for any 3po at all.
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I liked the C3PO parts.
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I liked the C3PO parts.
Not like it ruined the movie or anything...I guess I had enough flashbacks with Han, Leia, R2D2, Luke, AT-ATs, Falcon, etc.
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C3PO and Chewbacca are part of the saga, of course they will be around.
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I liked the C3PO parts.
Not like it ruined the movie or anything...I guess I had enough flashbacks with Han, Leia, R2D2, Luke, AT-ATs, Falcon, etc.
I'm no mega fan, but I like the old movies. I thought they did a great job of mixing the old and new characters. Sets up the next one to be all about Rey
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I liked the C3PO parts.
Not like it ruined the movie or anything...I guess I had enough flashbacks with Han, Leia, R2D2, Luke, AT-ATs, Falcon, etc.
I'm no mega fan, but I like the old movies. I thought they did a great job of mixing the old and new characters. Sets up the next one to be all about Rey
Yes, the connections to the old movies were great. I went and saw it again yesterday with my son, it's definitely a movie I enjoyed watching twice and I rarely do that.
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I just read where JJ was going to initial kill off Poe, and had even hired the actor with the actor knowing that the character was getting killed off. Then, JJ reconsidered, apparently, and told the actor that he was going to change some stuff and the actor was going to be in the full movie.
So, it would seem that Poe isn't part of some larger plot, unless JJ completely redid big plot aspects very late in the process.
Characters' story lines get changed all of the time. It probably depends on what Rian Johnson wants to do with him.
Oscar Isaac had kind of blown up since Star Wars started casting. That could be good or bad. They may want him to stick around for a little star power (a la a new Harrison Ford), or they may want to save a little money. He's probably going to command a lot for fairly little screen time.
I mean, if he's just going to be a glorified Wedge, then cut him. But he was a pretty witty, entertaining character that they can get some use out of, so if they choose to expand his role, I think it would be good for the films. He seems like the kind of guy Rian Johnson, specifically, could get some mileage out of.
I think the challenge with this trilogy is that the first one dealt primarily with Han Solo, Luke, and Leia. Vader just popped in as an antagonist; there wasn't a lot of character development for him until ROTJ. I just don't think there's going to be a lot of room for "Poe-as-Han" in this series because they really want to (rightly) dive into Kylo/Ben.
Which is great because Adam Driver is great, the character is great, and the potential for the continued conflict with Rey is going to be fantastic. That girl was a badass.
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kylo ren sucks.
his reveal as leia/han's son was weak. they should have had this reveal on the bridge before he kills han.
he takes off his mask and is no longer intimidating to the audience after that. leave the mystery for the end of the movie, at least.
temper tantrums? gmafb. darth vader went around choking people left and right for screwing up and this dude just bashes stuff around him.
disney ruined the villain in this movie. loved most of everything but kylo ren is sucky.
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3PO mumped up Han and Leia's reunion which is bullshit.
and why the eff is that big baby, Chewey, walking right past his best friends widow so that she can run to a character she has no previous relationship with to grieve with?
Those are my two main gripes. Also, yes, that angsty teenager is a shitty villain who doesn't deserve to have been named after Obi Wan.
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it was still better than any of those rough ridin' prequels.
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I like ren because of everything you just said. He is trying so hard to be someone that he isn't, and it's great
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Pretty disappointed in this movie. It was formulaic and overly sentimental. Spent way too much time appeasing the Star Wars dorks that wanted to see the old band get back together. Overall, better than the last three, but a C.
Stark contrast to the absolute brilliance of Mad Max Fury Road. That's how it's done.
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Why wouldn't they connect to the old movies? Wasn't that the point of a continuation of the series?
I mean, Fury Road was a completely new movie unconnected to the old Mad Max.
I agree with OK, the internal struggle for Ren was good.
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Why wouldn't they connect to the old movies? Wasn't that the point of a continuation of the series?
I mean, Fury Road was a completely new movie unconnected to the old Mad Max.
I agree with OK, the internal struggle for Ren was good.
that struggle had better fully develop in the coming films. Otherwise, he's just a shithead teenager, mad at his dad and uncle for no good reason.
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they had to bridge a new hope with the force awakens, it kind of bugged me too b/c it was all too obvious but it had to be done
i expect the next 2 will be forward looking
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My big complaint is that there wasn't really anything memorable or unique.
It's like, "Hey, we know the Death Star worked, so this time let's just make a bigger one that shoots a laser and everybody likes the bridge scene at the end where a main character dies so let's do that one in this one too".
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kylo ren sucks.
his reveal as leia/han's son was weak. they should have had this reveal on the bridge before he kills han.
he takes off his mask and is no longer intimidating to the audience after that. leave the mystery for the end of the movie, at least.
temper tantrums? gmafb. darth vader went around choking people left and right for screwing up and this dude just bashes stuff around him.
disney ruined the villain in this movie. loved most of everything but kylo ren is sucky.
I liked him. I think tormented/emo/bipolar dark Jedi is an interesting Jedi.
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I'm excited to learn about what happened with Luke training Ren.
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I'm excited to learn about what happened with Luke training Ren.
He probably tried to make him lift an x-wing with his mind and Ren thought it was too tough. Pussification of the Jedi, amirite?
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Driver was phenomenal, his voice was great and the mask off time showed his conflict, he was nearly in tears every time it was off
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Driver was phenomenal, his voice was great and the mask off time showed his conflict, he was nearly in tears every time it was off
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The banging on his blaster shot wound and bleeding when he was fighting Finn was awesome. That really showed a guy who was trying to prove how tough he was, but he didn't really believe it.
I think what was really great, intended or not, was that they played Kylo Ren up to be this advanced dark Jedi, but he's really not that far along. The mask was done to cover up for his lack of training and internal emotional conflict.
I assume Snoke didn't want to go full Dark Jedi with him until he bought in and killed his dad. Now, he'll probably get trained up.
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Yes, he had to kill his dad to prove himself to snoke.
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How cool was it when rey found the light saber?. I cannot wait for the next
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Driver was phenomenal, his voice was great and the mask off time showed his conflict, he was nearly in tears every time it was off
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The banging on his blaster shot wound and bleeding when he was fighting Finn was awesome. That really showed a guy who was trying to prove how tough he was, but he didn't really believe it.
I think what was really great, intended or not, was that they played Kylo Ren up to be this advanced dark Jedi, but he's really not that far along. The mask was done to cover up for his lack of training and internal emotional conflict.
I assume Snoke didn't want to go full Dark Jedi with him until he bought in and killed his dad. Now, he'll probably get trained up.
I liked it when he lost his crap several times and trashed rooms with his light saber. The more I think about it, Ren is my favorite character/has the most potential for a great story
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oh hai guise wat's up itt?
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Driver was phenomenal, his voice was great and the mask off time showed his conflict, he was nearly in tears every time it was off
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The banging on his blaster shot wound and bleeding when he was fighting Finn was awesome. That really showed a guy who was trying to prove how tough he was, but he didn't really believe it.
I think what was really great, intended or not, was that they played Kylo Ren up to be this advanced dark Jedi, but he's really not that far along. The mask was done to cover up for his lack of training and internal emotional conflict.
I assume Snoke didn't want to go full Dark Jedi with him until he bought in and killed his dad. Now, he'll probably get trained up.
I liked it when he lost his crap several times and trashed rooms with his light saber. The more I think about it, Ren is my favorite character/has the most potential for a great story
I thought it was weird he just kept destroying stuff. Like when the guy told him they lost Rey and bb8 I thought for sure that guy was 100% dead. Nope. Just the computer screens.
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Smoke is Darth Plagueis, guys.
https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8 (https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8)
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When Rey grabs the light saber for the first time, if you listen carefully, you can hear the sentence, "Rey, these are your first steps." The voice saying the "Rey" part is none other than Sir Alec Guinness, dead since 2000. They edited his voice saying "afraid" from the original movies to gain the "Rey." The rest of the sentence was voiced by Ewan MacGregor, the second Obi Wan.
Pretty cool that was.
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You guys have convinced me that this movie is a pile of crap so I'm going to skip it and see Concussion instead. TY.
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You guys have convinced me that this movie is a pile of crap so I'm going to skip it and see Concussion instead. TY.
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Most people really liked it, and most die hards loved it. At least that's my interpretation.
Of course, I saw the movie while wearing a Millennium Falcon shirt, so that's going to say something about where I fall on the spectrum.
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I thought Abrams did an excellent job of balancing special effects with real actors, real sets, and real costumes. It looked and felt like episodes 4-6. Not the sensory overload cartoons that were episodes 1-3.
But yeah, I agree with the story being a bit bland and not terribly imaginative. Rylo wasn't impressive.
As part 1 of a trilogy, it did its job exceedingly well. But as a stand alone movie, it wasn't too exciting or memorable.
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I thought Abrams did an excellent job of balancing special effects with real actors, real sets, and real costumes. It looked and felt like episodes 4-6. Not the sensory overload cartoons that were episodes 1-3.
But yeah, I agree with the story being a bit bland and not terribly imaginative. Rylo wasn't impressive.
As part 1 of a trilogy, it did its job exceedingly well. But as a stand alone movie, it wasn't too exciting or memorable.
JJ is apparently in love with the script for Episode 8, and I think everyone is pretty confident in Rian Johnson.
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If anyone thought there was going to be Oscar dialogue or acting nominations from these movies then lol.
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If anyone thought there was going to be Oscar dialogue or acting nominations from these movies then lol.
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maybe like sound editing or something oscar
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Smoke is Darth Plagueis, guys.
https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8 (https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8)
Seems pretty deep to tie those together since Disney basically threw out all the old stuff (canon or whatever it's called) right?
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No they just narrowed it to a certain set of source material
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Smoke is Darth Plagueis, guys.
https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8 (https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8)
Seems pretty deep to tie those together since Disney basically threw out all the old stuff (canon or whatever it's called) right?
He's basically just a name if you go by canon. They don't have to make him a Munn if they don't want to.
However, they need to be careful of what they screw with. If those assholes change Revan, an army of fanboys will burn it down.
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Did you guys cry when Han said to Leia, "I saw him. I saw our son." ... I did.
Did you cry again when Han was killed? I did.
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I liked it a lot but Finn and Rey were both too proficient with the light saber. I don't think you can do mind control on your first day using the force.
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I liked it a lot but Finn and Rey were both too proficient with the light saber. I don't think you can do mind control on your first day using the force.
But was it her first day?
:dunno:
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Smoke is Darth Plagueis, guys.
https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8 (https://youtu.be/Kgirxblkje8)
Seems pretty deep to tie those together since Disney basically threw out all the old stuff (canon or whatever it's called) right?
He's basically just a name if you go by canon. They don't have to make him a Munn if they don't want to.
However, they need to be careful of what they screw with. If those assholes change Revan, an army of fanboys will burn it down.
My first thought with Snoke was he was like the polar opposite of Yoda...as good and pure Yoda was, he was the opposite...maybe even related? Maybe both small and he hated his smallness so much he made his hologram huge?*
* - My Star Wars fandom isn't very high on the scale so I have no place trying to tie all this together.
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Finn got his ass kicked twice with a light saber. I mean the dude was trained from birth to be a storm trooper. If you don't think he had basic in light
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Saber battle you are Cray Cray
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And rey is super Jedi, like picked it up pretty damn quick too
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Yep. Cire makes perfect sense here. JMHO.
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My first thought with Snoke was he was like the polar opposite of Yoda...as good and pure Yoda was, he was the opposite...maybe even related? Maybe both small and he hated his smallness so much he made his hologram huge?*
* - My Star Wars fandom isn't very high on the scale so I have no place trying to tie all this together.
They've done the large hologram before.
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And just to get geeky, Palpatine/Sidious was really the polar opposite of Yoda. He was so strong in the dark side that he viewed a lightsaber as a limitation to his power. He was really a badass.
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OK so Luke's nephew/apprentice turns against him, Luke goes into hiding. While in hiding, Like hooks up with a chick and has a daughter. Then he realizes the dark side is getting close to finding him so he has to leave and hide the daughter.......That is why Leia doesn't know about her.
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Here's some additional tidbits from the novelization:
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-force-awakens-novelization-highlights/ (http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-force-awakens-novelization-highlights/)
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did you see rey had a Luke doll in her crib?
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did you see rey had a Luke doll in her crib?
Yes, I saw that.
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How does Kylo get all of his hair in that helmet without getting it caught in the closing mechanism? I guess he has to use the force to push all the hair tight to his head every time he puts it on.
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How does Kylo get all of his hair in that helmet without getting it caught in the closing mechanism? I guess he has to use the force to push all the hair tight to his head every time he puts it on.
Manforcebun
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you would think the first order would have made him shave his head or something, right?
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you would think the first order would have made him shave his head or something, right?
It would appear that the First Order puts up with him because Snoke wants him there.
That's my interpretation.
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I read a theory that Rey is a reincarnation of Anakin.
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you would think the first order would have made him shave his head or something, right?
The first order are the Yankees of the Galaxy.
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you would think the first order would have made him shave his head or something, right?
The first order are the Yankees of the Galaxy.
if they were the yankees his hair would be short AF and he would have a great stache.
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Rebellion is the Royals.
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Rebellion is the Royals.
oh man.....
Yoda- Mr. K
Luke - George Brett
Han - UL Washington
Leia - Ken Brett
Vader - Bo Jackson
Admiral Akbar - Joe Randa
Ren - Hosmer
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Gooch's idea was that Rey is super strong in the force because both her parents are force sensitive (twincest). :dubious:
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Gooch's idea was that Rey is super strong in the force because both her parents are force sensitive (twincest). :dubious:
Welling the Phantom Menenace they threw the idea out there that Aniken's mom, the slave, never had sex and Aniken was born from a virgin as the product of the "force." So, maybe Luke had Rey without having sex, similar to his grandma, but kinda how Arnold Schwarzenegger did in the classic file, Twins.
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Gooch's idea was that Rey is super strong in the force because both her parents are force sensitive (twincest). :dubious:
Welling the Phantom Menenace they threw the idea out there that Aniken's mom, the slave, never had sex and Aniken was born from a virgin as the product of the "force." So, maybe Luke had Rey without having sex, similar to his grandma, but kinda how Arnold Schwarzenegger did in the classic file, Twins.
smh, that's Junior, man.
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Gooch's idea was that Rey is super strong in the force because both her parents are force sensitive (twincest). :dubious:
Welling the Phantom Menenace they threw the idea out there that Aniken's mom, the slave, never had sex and Aniken was born from a virgin as the product of the "force." So, maybe Luke had Rey without having sex, similar to his grandma, but kinda how Arnold Schwarzenegger did in the classic file, Twins.
It may just be coincidence in casting, but man...
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Rewatch ing phantom menace probably for the first timeas an adult and it is just mind blowingly horrible. The only good part is where that short armed worm alien pod racer is like "SQUAAAAAANT" and crashes and dies in the cave. The trade federation guys have a Japanese accent.
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Rewatch ing phantom menace probably for the first timeas an adult and it is just mind blowingly horrible. The only good part is where that short armed worm alien pod racer is like "SQUAAAAAANT" and crashes and dies in the cave. The trade federation guys have a Japanese accent.
So racist
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Saw it today. Wow! I loved it, I waited to even open this thread until I watched it. Agree with a lot of the theories and stuff ITT. Probably go watch it again
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Saw it again tonight. Wow. Much better second time.
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I was a fan of the film but I don't understand how Finn or Rey could compete in a light saber duel with someone who is trained in the art. Also is Rey the ultimate Jedi? How else could she be so strong with no training?
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I was a fan of the film but I don't understand how Finn or Rey could compete in a light saber duel with someone who is trained in the art. Also is Rey the ultimate Jedi? How else could she be so strong with no training?
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She's the real chosen one. Anakin was a fake.
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Watched it in imax 3D. It was well done and broadly appealing. Can't wait for the next and I think I've only seen three of the previous.
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I knew I should not have gone. My inner Luke Wookie is trying to get out. Making light saber noises when whizzing is not a healthy sign of stable mental health. Great movie. Renosweets is still mourning the heartless killing of Han. She wapped my son and said don't do that to your father. I will stay away from renoboy when I have nasal problems.
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Ok. Saw it tonight for first time and here are hot takes without having read this thread.
Overall I enjoyed it. Definitely better than Lucas's prequel CGI shitstorm.
The things I enjoyed most were:
1. Truer to the original series. Loved the bigger presence of physical set pieces, muppets, etc.
2. Good actors which actually had some good dialogue.
3. Lots of good humor, just like Ep 4.
4. Love the new droid.
5. Han was great.
Stuff I didn't like so much:
1. Not much of a story. It really doesn't stand on its own and was actually boring at times.
2. The new bad guy seemed like a whiny little bitch. Hope he gets a lot better.
3. At times this movie felt less like a new installment and more just a reunion of old friends and tribute to the old series. Which is great and all, but doesn't necessarily make for a great movie. I felt the same way about Indy 4 - but this was way better than Indy 4.
Finally, I was surprised we got almost nothing from Brienne. WTF?
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comparing that to Indy 4 is something a low would do
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I was a fan of the film but I don't understand how Finn or Rey could compete in a light saber duel with someone who is trained in the art. Also is Rey the ultimate Jedi? How else could she be so strong with no training?
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I think Rey and Finn are Jedi, who were trained for a bit at Luke's academy, and Rey is particularly talented with the force (Luke's kid, what).
I just saw it for a second time tonight. It really struck me how good the little things were in this film. Great side characters all over the place.
That Hitler-esque New Order general will be fun to hate going forward. Kylo is going in to "have his training completed" by the Supreme Leader, so he should mature quite a bit....I think it was very purposeful to have him be such a bitch.
One thing I am worried about is what they are going to do with Poe. There is a story out about how JJ was going to have him die in this episode, but later rethought that. If that's the case, then it seems hard to believe that Poe is a large part of the future movies, unless they totally re-write stuff. Without Poe, they really lack the "bad boy" element that Han gave them. Maybe Luke will make up for that going forward, which would be a fun twist to see, but I doubt it.
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They should've filmed all 3 movies at once.
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this isnt LOTR
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They should've filmed all 3 movies at once.
this isnt LOTR
Well yes and no. It is very clearly just the first installment of a larger story. It doesn't stand well on its own. So yeah, I wish they'd filmed them together, too.
Compare this to Episode 4. Or JJA's Star Trek reboots. You can tell those movies are part of a larger series, but they stand on their own. I submit that the first Star Trek reboot was a better movie, considered independently, than Force Awakens.
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They should've filmed all 3 movies at once.
this isnt LOTR
Well yes and no. It is very clearly just the first installment of a larger story. It doesn't stand well on its own. So yeah, I wish they'd filmed them together, too.
Compare this to Episode 4. Or JJA's Star Trek reboots. You can tell those movies are part of a larger series, but they stand on their own. I submit that the first Star Trek reboot was a better movie, considered independently, than Force Awakens.
No one gave a eff if Force Awakens stood on its own. It wasn't for them, it was for us.
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I think Luke is Rey's dad. Han will come back. Is Chewy male or female? This could have offspring possibilities. Who is the old turd map guy or the bugged eye gal with the lightsaber?
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I like the idea of Rey being in Luke's academy for a time before Kylo destroyed it. Then Luke (or somebody - probably that old map piece guy at the very beginning) hid her in the junkyard - where she's "waiting" for someone to come back and get her. Of course, there's that scene towards the beginning where she is surprised that Luke isn't just a myth but that could simply be because she was really young in the academy and now she's starting to think she dreamed the whole thing.
Anyway, that would all be way better than her being Luke's daughter.
I also agree with a lot of the other comments about this movie borrowing too heavily from the original series. There's a difference between paying tribute to, and totally ripping off, the preceding storyline. Let's see:
1. Starts with a kid in the desert, strong in the force, who stumbles upon a droid holding secret information.
2. Hi, this is Kylo, the New Darth Vader, who was a Jedi pupil before turning to the dark side and destroying the Jedi Order, just like Old Darth Vader.
3. Hey, it just so happens the Millennium Falcon is here, which we again think is garbage!
4. Hey, the Millennium Falcon has smuggler's holds - let's hide there!
5. Hey, we need to do some emergency repairs on the Millennium Falcon!
6. Next stop, New Mos Eisley Cantina!
7. Jump to New Rebel Base, about to be destroyed by a New Death Star, so let's do a New Mission to Disable the Shields! Bring back Admiral Lobster for extra grins!
8. Let's mention sending Brienne down to the trash compactor in the New Death Star (but not actually show it, or give Brianne any face time whatsoever)!
9. Ok, real quick, let's insert a bridge scene with a big family connection reveal between the good guy and the bad guy (even though we spoiled that earlier). Plus, Harrison Ford has only agreed to a one movie deal.
10. Ok - now let's blow up The New Death Star with a New Trench Run!
Bonus: Next up Kylo goes to Dagobah to complete his training (with a guy who'll actually be small like Yoda), only it will totally be different because he's training to be a Sith!
So I'm sure it was a lot of fun for most fans of the Star Wars franchise - I liked it - but it's just not a very filling dish.
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I'm holding out for the second installment before I rule it a nostalgic, money-grabbing, crock of crap.
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Doesn't irl Luke Skywalker stand a fair chance of getting naturally Luke Paulwalker'd before they finish filming the next 2?
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Kylo was a whiny bitch because he is really just coming into his powers and not fully trained yet (i.e. Luke in A New Hope and the beginning of Empire).
Are the Knights of Ren the followers of Kylo Ren or is Kylo Ren just one of the Knights of Ren?
Yes, the plot points were very similar to A New Hope but I didn't mind probably because I haven't seen that one is a really long time.
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Have we talked about the opening strolling text yet? Easily the worst part of the whole movie imo
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Have we talked about the opening strolling text yet? Easily the worst part of the whole movie imo
The words or the graphic nature?
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Have we talked about the opening strolling text yet? Easily the worst part of the whole movie imo
The words or the graphic nature?
Words. It was terrible
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Worth a read:
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/star-wars-force-awakens-novelization-highlights/
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I watched it a second time tonight. I enjoyed it even more this time. The thing I like best is this movie just fits with the original trilogy. It just feels like Star Wars in a way the prequels never did.
The bad guy is also growing on me. I like that he's immature and undisciplined. His sith training should be interesting in the next movie.
Probably my only remaining gripes are (1) they should have come up with something besides a third Death Star, and (2) Republic/Resistance/First Order thing is really poorly explained, which is odd for a movie that's supposed to be setting up the trilogy.
I don't get it. The First Order is just the Empire, down to the same ships and storm troopers. They appear to have hardly missed a beat since RotJ. So shouldn't the Republic be fighting them? Why do they need something called the Resistance? And if the Resistance is just a proxy for the Republic, why are they so woefully undersupplied?
Also, Rey is definitely Luke's daughter. That's why Luke's light saber went to her. It also explains why Luke banished her and shut down his new Jedi program after Ben flipped. If it could happen to his nephew, it could happen to his daughter. Kind of funny that Leia got the bad kid and Luke got the good one.
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Just watched it, can't believe there are dorks that think this movie wasn't great. It was easily the best of the series.
Also, I almost thought Rey was going to go dark after Kylo said she needed a teacher. MAYBE NEXT TIME
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Also I can't believe some morons say Kylo was just like Darth Vader. What the eff, Kylo's far more interesting
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Rey definitely trained by her father then he wiped her mind with a MIB pen when he wanted to protect her from the dark side and put her on Jakaru.
Being very serious here, did anyone get the feeling that Mark Hamilton was overacting his ass off and trying way too hard in his first 30 seconds of screen time? His facial expression was so unnatural. I felt like he was pissed that he hadn't been with the gang and he thought he was the guy everyone paid to see and so he was overselling it.
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Get 'em Rusty!
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Just watched it, can't believe there are dorks that think this movie wasn't great. It was easily the best of the series.
Also, I almost thought Rey was going to go dark after Kylo said she needed a teacher. MAYBE NEXT TIME
That would've been a great twist!
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Just watched it, can't believe there are dorks that think this movie wasn't great. It was easily the best of the series.
Also, I almost thought Rey was going to go dark after Kylo said she needed a teacher. MAYBE NEXT TIME
That would've been a great twist!
You all should go back and read the link I posted. This is one of the things from the novel based on the movie they released 12/18.
7) Rey doesn't just beat Kylo—she also beats the dark side
Rey's triumph over Kylo in their lightsaber duel is widely considered one of the film's greatest moments. But what you don't fully see on-screen is that, standing over a defeated Kylo, Rey faces a final challenge. The novelization portrays it thusly:
Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick.
Instead of killing Kylo, Rey "recoils" from the feeling, which the narration describes as the pull of the dark side.
This is a very significant moment. Every Force-strong Star Wars hero faces this kind of challenge. When the narration refers to "pure vengeful emotion," it's important to remember that part of what drove Rey was seeing Kylo brutally defeat her new friend Finn. She had just seen Kylo deal Finn what might have been a killing blow. She was no doubt furious in that moment—the perfect target for the lure of the dark side.
This is, in essence, the dark side's modus operandi. It's how Anakin Skywalker began his fall in Attack of the Clones, when he slaughtered a village full of Tusken Raiders after they kidnapped his mother, who died in his arms.
But Rey, like Luke, is stronger than Anakin. She resists the urge to deliver her own killing blow. In the movie, a chasm quickly opens up between her and her vanquished foe, appearing to foreclose the possibility of her killing him. In the novelization, she makes her choice before that happens. She runs to Finn, to her friend, instead of yielding to her rage. In refusing the dark side, she has just taken the biggest step of her life.
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Does Luke overact in the book, too?
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Get out of my face with that silly book
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Rusty, did you like BB8?
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Rey definitely trained by her father then he wiped her mind with a MIB pen when he wanted to protect her from the dark side and put her on Jakaru.
Being very serious here, did anyone get the feeling that Mark Hamilton was overacting his ass off and trying way too hard in his first 30 seconds of screen time? His facial expression was so unnatural. I felt like he was pissed that he hadn't been with the gang and he thought he was the guy everyone paid to see and so he was overselling it.
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He's really old and his face was totally reconstructed and I think it looked like that because it was hard as crap for him to stand up straight for 8 seconds
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Rusty, did you like BB8?
I loved him! so adorable.
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they should get rid of 3PO
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they should get rid of 3PO
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Rusty, did you like BB8?
I loved him! so adorable.
me too. greatest droid OAT
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I really like 3PO. Great comedy. But yeah, BB8 is probably the best ever.
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i can only stand "ah twoo don't say that!" for 6 movies. i draw the line at 6.
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I thought this was a great movie for the average fan like myself. Not sure how the mega star wars ppl felt about it and mrs yla who has never seen one liked it as well
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The bad guy is also growing on me. I like that he's immature and undisciplined. His sith training should be interesting in the next movie.
I like him too. Yes he is a bit whiny but his inability to handle stress and getting all pissed is what makes him go to the dark side. Anger leads to hate and so on....
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Is BB cp30 and r2d2's kid?
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I like 3PO pointing out that his arm his red, but no reasoning for his arm being red, or if it even mattered.
Me and Dmartinjr had a discussion on whether the sith is still around. I don't remember the sith being mentioned in any of the first three movies. After the prequels, I assumed it died off, and a new "evil" came to power (even though Palpetine is still around).
So is the sith still around or gone?
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I like 3PO pointing out that his arm his red, but no reasoning for his arm being red, or if it even mattered.
Me and Dmartinjr had a discussion on whether the sith is still around. I don't remember the sith being mentioned in any of the first three movies. After the prequels, I assumed it died off, and a new "evil" came to power (even though Palpetine is still around).
So is the sith still around or gone?
That is the mystery. They mention in the other movies that there are usually two at a time. But, if you go into some of the old canon, which may or may not be useful now since it was all "trashed", there used to be hundreds. You could study to become one. So it isn't crazy to think that someone new could come along and become one by studying it. IE how you become a jedi. etc.
That being said, there are a lot of people who think that Snoke is Darth Plageus who is the sith who trained Palpatine. Perhaps he has been in the background of this since the very beginning pulling strings. Ultimately setting him up to be the "big bad" in the ninth movie.
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My understanding is that Darth Vader and Darth Sidious were the last of the Sith. The new guys are using the dark side of the force but are not Sith (although that is really yet to be revealed).
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I like some of this, some of it is pretty bad
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-ostrower/rey-is-obi-wan-kenobis-granddaughter_b_8911656.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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That's great
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I'm in.
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i am finally going to go see this tomorrow afternoon :excited:
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i haven't seen it yet either
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I wish the last thing Han would've said to Kylo after Kylo ran him through was, "But Ben, I am your father."
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After seeing it twice i can say its easily #3
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good god but this is a shitty movie. i don't even like originality, but holy rough ridin' crap.
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After seeing it twice i can say its easily #3
I moved it up to #2
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After seeing it twice i can say its easily #3
I moved it up to #2
Nope, 4 and 5 will always be the top 2
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4 is pretty boring
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worst of the seven. one of the worst movies ever made. multiple scenes were lol bad.
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just got done. reserving judgment until i watch again but probably 4,5,3/7,6,2,1
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worst of the seven. one of the worst movies ever made. multiple scenes were lol bad.
lol, every movie in the series had multiple lol bad scenes
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every movie in the series had multiple lol bad scenes
yes.
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Just saw it this afternoon. Can't believe I made it this long with zero spoilers. Good times.
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Just saw it this afternoon. Can't believe I made it this long with zero spoilers. Good times.
watching any of the previous movies is a spoiler.
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Just saw it this afternoon. Can't believe I made it this long with zero spoilers. Good times.
watching any of the previous movies is a spoiler.
:lol:
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kylo ren is a true stud millennial
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i also have a really hard time not accidentally calling him rilo kiley
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Saw it. :blank:
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kylo ren is a true stud millennial
oh he's a millennial all right. pretty much waiting for a dark side participation ribbon
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kylo ren is a true stud millennial
oh he's a millennial all right. pretty much waiting for a dark side participation ribbon
Ha ha
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kylo ren is a true stud millennial
oh he's a millennial all right. pretty much waiting for a dark side participation ribbon
Ha ha
yeah, that's pretty funny.
Say it to his mentor's face!
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just watched it again :emawkid:
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i have no respect for you anymore
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Have we talked about the opening strolling text yet? Easily the worst part of the whole movie imo
The words or the graphic nature?
Words. It was terrible
Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
FIRST ORDER has risen
from the ashes of the Empire
and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.
With the support of the REPUBLIC,
General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE.
She is desperate to find her
brother Luke and gain his
help in restoring peace and
justice to the galaxy.
Leia has sent her most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Jakku, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Luke’s whereabouts . . . .
Yeah, it's bad. I LOL'd at the opening line.
You read that the First Order came out of the ashes of the Empire, so you think it's a little baby deer of an evil organization, just getting its legs, but nope, it's got a billion stormtroopers and identical, gigantic spaceships.
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She is desperate to find her
brother Luke and gain his
help . . . .
There are some people fixating on the fact that Luke is not surrounded by commas, indicating that he is not Leia's only brother.
Technically, if Luke is her only brother then putting his name is unnecessary and grammatically speaking should be in commas.
She is desperate to find her
brother, Luke, and gain his
help . . . .
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A good joke that the Star Wars movie makers could do is for the next movie just make the entire movie the scrolling text. Like it just tells the whole story for 2 hours. It would be funny to watch people to see when they realized that it wasn't just a long scrolling text intro but it was a whole scrolling text movie. Good joke.
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Going pretty far to stir up some nerd rage.
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