How good is Freeman going to get?

[michigancat]

I think the different color shirts in practice does so. 

I don't remember hearing about that in the media.

I think Meier was definitely held more responsible for his mistakes then Freeman ever was.  No way does Meier stay in the ku game as long as Freeman does.

A freshman should be given more leeway than a 5th year senior.  As for the ku game, when do you pull Freeman?  Down by a touchdown in the 4th?

[chum1]

IIRC, Prince said something like, "We're going to be good.  Some of these seniors won't be around to see it.  And that's a shame.  We're going to get some dunkers and some leapers and...Hold on, I've gotta take this call from Richard Katz.  It's long distance.  Morgantown."

[catzacker]

I think Meier was definitely held more responsible for his mistakes then Freeman ever was.  No way does Meier stay in the ku game as long as Freeman does.

A freshman should be given more leeway than a 5th year senior.  As for the ku game, when do you pull Freeman?  Down by a touchdown in the 4th?

You probably pull Freeman after the first half where he managed to throw 2 INT (one resulted in a TD) and Fumbled twice (one resulted in a TD another in a FG) and KSU was down 10 at half (and managed only 10 pts of offense).   

[michigancat]

I think Meier was definitely held more responsible for his mistakes then Freeman ever was.  No way does Meier stay in the ku game as long as Freeman does.

A freshman should be given more leeway than a 5th year senior.  As for the ku game, when do you pull Freeman?  Down by a touchdown in the 4th?

You probably pull Freeman after the first half where he managed to throw 2 INT (one resulted in a TD) and Fumbled twice (one resulted in a TD another in a FG) and KSU was down 10 at half (and managed only 10 pts of offense).   

For Dylan?

[tmramrod91]

There is no qb controversy and wont be one outside of message boards an occasional retarded media report.  Freeman is the guy, and wont be pulled unless he is hurt.
However, I do agree that Freeman appears to be coddled and sheltered from criticism by RP, but its not like RP has exactly ripped other players publicly.  
RP's tenure at ksu will more than likely be judged on where Freeman takes the program in the next 3 years. Hopefully his career isnt shaped by Freeman (meaning RP is here a while and wins a lot), but I would not be shocked if it was.

Expecatations for Freeman (this year mostly) need to be scaled waaay back. He is young, makes poor decisions, and will not be an all conference type qb this year. After the last 3 games watching him play, I'm not going to expect a whole lot out of him this year. I think JJ and Patton will be the identity of the offense, and the OL has to get better to have any success whatsoever.

[catzacker]

I think Meier was definitely held more responsible for his mistakes then Freeman ever was.  No way does Meier stay in the ku game as long as Freeman does.

A freshman should be given more leeway than a 5th year senior.  As for the ku game, when do you pull Freeman?  Down by a touchdown in the 4th?

You probably pull Freeman after the first half where he managed to throw 2 INT (one resulted in a TD) and Fumbled twice (one resulted in a TD another in a FG) and KSU was down 10 at half (and managed only 10 pts of offense).   

For Dylan?

I'm just saying when a coach would've made the move.  Didn't Ron put Freeman in after half time during the Baylor game down by 4 (and I don't even think DM had turned it over, he just looked terrible)?

[ECN]

freeman has yet to impress me.

[ChicagoCat]

I'll agree that the Fresh should have a different game called for him than Dylan but I think that Dylan didn't have the best game called from the sidelines.  I think he was set up to fail and then prince called a much more conservative game for Freeman.  I agree with J-mart where you mine as well play Freeman if the job is going to be his anyways.  The shirt thing at practice sure wasn't a secret and it was fairly public who wasn't making the grade.  Am I saying Freeman should've been pulled in the ku game? No.  But you're crazy if you think Dylan would've finished that game with the same #s.

[Trim]

This is where my problem with the situation arises.  Prince has shown no fear in throwing other players under the bus in regards the media and yet he coddles Freeman. 

Who?  I don't remember him throwing under a player under the bus in front of the media because of their play.

PUP list?

[michigancat]

I'm just saying when a coach would've made the move.  Didn't Ron put Freeman in after half time during the Baylor game down by 4 (and I don't even think DM had turned it over, he just looked terrible)?

Gotcha...I still think you give the true frosh more leeway.

This is where my problem with the situation arises.  Prince has shown no fear in throwing other players under the bus in regards the media and yet he coddles Freeman. 

Who?  I don't remember him throwing under a player under the bus in front of the media because of their play.

PUP list?

That's calling players out for laziness, not on the field performance.

[ksuno1stunner]

I think Meier was definitely held more responsible for his mistakes then Freeman ever was.  No way does Meier stay in the ku game as long as Freeman does.

A freshman should be given more leeway than a 5th year senior.  As for the ku game, when do you pull Freeman?  Down by a touchdown in the 4th?

You probably pull Freeman after the first half where he managed to throw 2 INT (one resulted in a TD) and Fumbled twice (one resulted in a TD another in a FG) and KSU was down 10 at half (and managed only 10 pts of offense).   

For Dylan?

And right after the Texas game?

[cireksu]

I'm just saying when a coach would've made the move.  Didn't Ron put Freeman in after half time during the Baylor game down by 4 (and I don't even think DM had turned it over, he just looked terrible)?

Gotcha...I still think you give the true frosh more leeway.

This is where my problem with the situation arises.  Prince has shown no fear in throwing other players under the bus in regards the media and yet he coddles Freeman. 

Who?  I don't remember him throwing under a player under the bus in front of the media because of their play.

PUP list?

That's calling players out for laziness, not on the field performance.

It doesn't bother me at all that the players on the PUP were released.  That's their only job over the summer.