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.... are you still going to try to convince everyone that ku and K-State have the same talent level?
:rolleyes:
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Called out!
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and why wouldn't you skip going to the game so you can go beg for validation on a non-rival's website 5 minutes after your super bowl?
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.... are you still going to try to convince everyone that ku and K-State have the same talent level?
:rolleyes:
It will look that way once he coaches up the D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dancin:
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Ben is pretty sad.
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How's the weather out there at Arrowhead, Benji? Looks pretty cold. Did you have good seats?
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How's the weather out there at Arrowhead, Benji? Looks pretty cold. Did you have good seats?
too cold to start the bandwagon.
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I thought 52-21 might have been a good indication that ku was more talented, but I think the win over #13 Mizzou seals it. What do you guys think?
:billypopcorn:
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How's the weather out there at Arrowhead, Benji? Looks pretty cold. Did you have good seats?
:dunno:
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I thought 52-21 might have been a good indication that ku was more talented, but I think the win over #13 Mizzou seals it. What do you guys think?
:billypopcorn:
#13 Mizzou :lol:
way over rated
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I thought 52-21 might have been a good indication that ku was more talented, but I think the win over #13 Mizzou seals it. What do you guys think?
:billypopcorn:
Mizzou isn't that good. See the ass raping by Texas over them.
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Name the good teams Mizzou beat this year....
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I thought 52-21 might have been a good indication that ku was more talented, but I think the win over #13 Mizzou seals it. What do you guys think?
:billypopcorn:
7-5 (4-4)
:dunno:
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mizzou is the least retardiest of the nortards.
ku=2 games better than ksu.
:dunno:
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(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/sport028.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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dunno how you can watch this game and honestly say KSU is close in terms of talent (2008 season)
:dunno:
QFT
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I thought 52-21 might have been a good indication that ku was more talented, but I think the win over #13 Mizzou seals it. What do you guys think?
:billypopcorn:
Hooray! ku has still never represented the weak-ass Big 12 North in the Conference Championship Game! The Hawks is the best! :dancin:
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there were like 400 or so ku fans there....so, that was totally awesome for their superbowl.
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If they would have won this game last year, they could have gone to the NC.
But this years game means maybe a poinsetta bowl for the hawks, so that's pretty big too.
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such an awesome win (in their minds) and yet no mention on the ESPN frontpage. Sad, really.
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bmw wins. ksufansers horrible message boarders (and low fbiqers).
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bmw wins. ksufansers horrible message boarders (and low fbiqers).
This coming from the worst KSUFANS poster on the board that also has the lowest FBIQ of anyone on here. Get back to the basketball board and insult someone over there.
Thanks.
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i love the bball board posters. couldn't bear to insult them.
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I guess ku fans can be proud of this season, 7 wins, bowl eligible. It should also give them a better understanding of how hard it is to win consistently in the Big XII and perhaps help open their eyes as to how truly amazing the DoD was.
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If they would have won this game last year, they could have gone to the NC.
But this years game means maybe a poinsetta bowl for the hawks, so that's pretty big too.
they would of had to play the big12 championship game still..... OU would have laid the smack down on uk just like they did mizzu
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I think BMW cares more about proving TP wrong then he actually cares about ku winning. "I can't wait to run to KSUfans.com and totally call out TP! That'll show'em. BMW, you are the coolest."
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I'm still waiting to hear how Ben's seat was for his team's biggest game of the year. Do they have dippin dots at Arrowhead?
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The answer will be apparent next year.
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.... are you still going to try to convince everyone that ku and K-State have the same talent level?
:rolleyes:
You went 7-5 and 4-4 in the league matching Ron Prince's first year at KSU. The only difference is the Texas team we beat was much better then this overated Missouri team that peaked about 4 games into the season. TP has been saying all along that Missouri isn't very good so I doubt he's all that impressed with your win.
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Do they have dippin dots at Arrowhead?
Arrowhead doesn't deserve DD.
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After next weekend moo may be struggling to hang on to the Top 25.
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After next weekend moo may be struggling to hang on to the Top 25.
Will that validate your claim that Mangino can't beat a top 25 team, 'Pad?
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After next weekend moo may be struggling to hang on to the Top 25.
Will that validate your claim that Mangino can't beat a top 25 team, 'Pad?
How were your seats to the big game, Ben?
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After next weekend moo may be struggling to hang on to the Top 25.
Will that validate your claim that Mangino can't beat a top 25 team, 'Pad?
Finally..... :lol:
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After next weekend moo may be struggling to hang on to the Top 25.
Will that validate your claim that Mangino can't beat a top 25 team, 'Pad?
You don't read very well Captain Validator . . . the caveat is a regular season win against a Final Top 25 team. After SEVEN years Mangino just might have ONE . . . too bad ku can't get 2-3-4-5 weeks to prepare for every big game. Briscoe was a stud today.
But I LOL . . . you're such a pissant, over here one week talking about how ku is such a fraud, it was all smoke and mirrors, saying you wouldn't mind if Mangino resigned . . . now you want everyone to kiss your ass (5 minutes after the game today) because ku beat a team that will have 4 losses after next weekend.
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Remember when we tried to convince ourselves that Lamark was better than Briscoe? That was hilarious. I blame Manhatter.
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After next weekend moo may be struggling to hang on to the Top 25.
Will that validate your claim that Mangino can't beat a top 25 team, 'Pad?
You don't read very well Captain Validator . . . the caveat is a regular season win against a Final Top 25 team. After SEVEN years Mangino just might have ONE . . . too bad ku can't get 2-3-4-5 weeks to prepare for every big game. Briscoe was a stud today.
But I LOL . . . you're such a pissant, over here one week talking about how ku is such a fraud, it was all smoke and mirrors, saying you wouldn't mind if Mangino resigned . . . now you want everyone to kiss your ass (5 minutes after the game today) because ku beat a team that will have 4 losses after next weekend.
Don't take it so personal, 'Pad. I'm just asking Mr. Pierce if he still believes that ku and K-State are equal in terms of talent. Yes, I've been critical of Mangino lately. I was disappointed with the way the '08 season had turned out.
Also, I will never buy your "smoke and mirrors" argument. Last year's ku team was different than this year's team. The '07 version had players like Talib, Collins, Fine, Henry, McAnderson, McClinton, etc. That was a damn good football team. Would they have gone 11-0 with this year's schedule? I doubt it, but I think that team would have beaten last year's Tech and last year's Texas.
As for the caveat, I remembered. If Mizzou wins their bowl game, they'll finish top 25. They're 5-3 in the Big 12, so you can mark that one off the check list. You'll need to come up with more and more as Mangino continues to build and continues to improve ku's football program.
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So let me get this straight . . . you just spent 25 minutes on a Saturday night coming up with that response??
Like I said, after SEVEN years, Mangino just might have gotten his first regular season win over a Final Top 25 team.
But what happened when the schedule bowed up on ku . . . . 5 losses, including several absolute debacles.
Winning 10-11 games a year for multiple years is . . . hard.
Congrats to ku for sowing up the 6th or 7th best team in the Big 12 position.
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bmw wins. ksufansers horrible message boarders (and low fbiqers).
Go lose to Iowa or something. :jerkoff:
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bmw wins. ksufansers horrible message boarders (and low fbiqers).
Go lose to Iowa or something. :jerkoff:
go ardcah a goat and i taquqtastion you r kstiatpirotism bithc .? /
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bmw wins. ksufansers horrible message boarders (and low fbiqers).
Go lose to Iowa or something. :jerkoff:
go ardcah a goat and i taquqtastion you r kstiatpirotism bithc .? /
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Why have you all of a sudden appeared on the KSU borad after you just beat Mizzou?
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:popcorn:
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TP is the answer. :thumbsup:
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ku's 2009 defense should be hilarious. Stucky and....ummm...errr...laptad? :rofl:
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ku's 2009 defense should be hilarious. Stucky and....ummm...errr...laptad? :rofl:
Next year could see the return of Nebraska and KSU back atop the north division... that is if we have a smooth transition into next season and the new system is quickly picked up.
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ku's 2009 defense should be hilarious. Stucky and....ummm...errr...laptad? :rofl:
Next year could see the return of Nebraska and KSU back atop the north division... that is if we have a smooth transition into next season and the new system is quickly picked up.
LOL, go research first year coaches inheriting back to back losing teams.
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.... are you still going to try to convince everyone that ku and K-State have the same talent level?
:rolleyes:
:kstatriot:
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.... are you still going to try to convince everyone that ku and K-State have the same talent level?
:rolleyes:
I love it when stupid fans get on the board and prepare themselves to look like complete dumbasses. I have been away from the board for the Holidays but I come back to this? Dude, Mizzou is not very good at all #1. #2 KSU is bad more because of coaching than talent and that still holds true. Look at the question you asked...Talent is what is in question, not the your teams performance in one game vs. a rival, in bad weather, and on neutral ground. We played Mizzou at MU on their Senior Day. 24-41 does not tell the entire story. You would know that if you watched the game. We had kids playing with no motivation, with a fired coach at the helm. I would hardly call that comparable circumstances. Very stupid post! Is this because you want people to know who you are? Hey everyone BMWHjawk is on our board! Does that make you feel better? You gotta be kidding me! If you are going to compare talent spend some time doing the research, you may be able to come up with a good argument if you did, but this is a waste of the boards time... :ksu:
You're calling me stupid, yet you're the one who thinks ku and K-State have the same talent level? Ron Prince loaded up on Juco scrubs and failed miserably at recruiting o-line and d-line. If you can't see that, you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. You're in for a rude awakening if you think Old Balls Snyder is going to come in and turn that around in one season. You might be more delusional than Manhatter, Mr. Pierce, and that is saying something.
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How's the weather out there at Arrowhead, Benji? Looks pretty cold. Did you have good seats?
:dunno:
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Don't mess with Ben. He is going to make a six figure income out of school. I believe he is interested in investments and securities.
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Don't mess with Ben. He is going to make a six figure income out of school. I believe he is interested in investments and securities.
that's his friend (who seems pretty stupid, and i don't understand why ben associates with him). not ben.
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okay, let's talk talent.
qb: ku > ksu
rb: ku >>> ksu
wr: ku >> ksu
ol: ku > ksu
dl: ku = ksu
lb: ku >>> ksu
cb's: ksu >> ku
safeties: ku >> ksu
result? 52-21. Makes sense to me.
Good thing is that rosters/talent level change wildly from year to year.
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Don't mess with Ben. He is going to make a six figure income out of school. I believe he is interested in investments and securities.
that's his friend (who seems pretty stupid, and i don't understand why ben associates with him). not ben.
I'll have to look the thread up. I'm pretty sure Ben said it too.
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Nope . . . Ben has said many times as soon as he graduates he's headed off to six figures easy, and weekends on his yacht smoking Cohiba's.
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Nope . . . Ben has said many times as soon as he graduates he's headed off to six figures easy, and weekends on his yacht smoking Cohiba's.
While wearing argyle clothing...
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okay, let's talk talent.
qb: ku > ksu
rb: ku >>> ksu
wr: ku >> ksu
ol: ku > ksu
dl: ku = ksu
lb: ku >>> ksu
cb's: ksu >> ku
safeties: ku >> ksu
result? 52-21. Makes sense to me.
Good thing is that rosters/talent level change wildly from year to year.
hardly the truth here.
QB- with a better coach Freeman is leaps and bounds more TALENTED than Reesing, But Reesing is a winner
RB- With an actual running game Brown is as good as Sharp or better TALENT wise
WR-Even, Yeah I said it. Based on TALENT. Briscoe is good, Meier is decent, so are Banks, Pierce, and Murphy and Quarles
OL-Equal, horrible blocking schemes and no running game makes ku SEEM more TALENTED, that's all
DL-I would argue that KSU's is better if we'd been running a 4-3 Defense. ku's Ends are horrible, The worst in the Big 12
LB-ku is better here, experience has a lot to do with that, definitely not all talent though
Safeties-ku is better here only because of Stuckey
CB-KSU much better
Returners-KSU is much better based on TALENT
All in All this Seems pretty equal to me, Based on TALENT. Not based on wins and losses. not based on coaching,not based on stats, but TALENT
52-21 When last years score was much closer (30-24) explains a lot of horrible coaching, in my opinion. But, I can definitely see why you would say what you said. I was talking about TALENT-a characteristic feature, aptitude, or disposition of a person or animal
3: the natural skill of a person
4 a: a special often athletic, creative, or artistic aptitude as explained by Websters...
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thanks for the reply tp.
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imo, college football success is about 60% talent and 40% coaching.
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imo, college football success is about 60% talent and 40% coaching.
yes, bob and mack are simply football geniuses that have all the x's and o's answers the others don't.
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imo, college football success is about 60% talent and 40% coaching.
yes, bob and mack are simply football geniuses that have all the x's and o's answers the others don't.
Hey, I agree, I said talent is more important but I also think coaching goes a long way toward success too..for instance, remember when Texas sucked last year(their standards) and then got Muschamp? They are basically the same team only now they are contending for a National Championship.
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venzy steals signals.
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Mr. Pierce, you are beyond delusional.
QB: ku >>> K-State
- Reesing is much more talented than Josh Freeman. Not even close. Freeman has the NFL size and that's about it.
RB: ku >> K-State
- Look at what Jake Sharp did to K-State's defense. It was a complete joke. ku's got more depth at this position as well with Crawford and Quigley.
WR: ku >>> K-State
- Briscoe, Meier, and Wilson are better than anything K-State puts on the field. Banks is a midget with speed and that's about it.
TE: K-State > ku
- Mastrud is pretty good, so I'll give it to K-State. Biere will be a good player for ku though.
OL: ku >>>> K-State
- In the ku/K-State game, ku had 280 rushing yards to K-State's 91. Those are facts. Say what you want about coaching, but K-State has very little talent up front. Your o-line got dominated up front, while ku's made it look easy. Spikes and Hatch, the two freshman o-tackles, are getting better each week. Mangino has done a great job of assembling talent on the o-line.
DL: ku >> K-State
- ku's d-line pretty much dominated K-State once again this year. Jamal Greene, Richard Johnson, Darius Parish, and Caleb Blakesley are all very solid up front. The d-ends have had trouble getting pressure, but Laptad and Onyegbule are both starting to come along nicely. Brorsen has had some great games over the past couple of years against K-State as well. ku also has some redshirt freshman who have a chance to be really good in the next few years. Campbell and Harold are about all K-State has on the d-line.
CB: ku >> K-State
- Josh Moore is good. Aside from that, K-State's cornerbacks are pretty weak. Thornton and Patterson have been an improvement for ku over Harper and Harris. ku has young, high school players in the program like Ryan Murphy and Greg Brown who could develop into good players down the road. K-State, thanks to Ron Prince, has a bunch of Juco's at this position.
S: ku >>>> K-State
- Darrell Stuckey is a beast. This one isn't even close. Phillip Strozier and Chris Harris are both solid as well. For K-State, Herndon and Carney are decent, but Hartman is horrible. ku is bringing in a nice group of safeties in the '09 recruiting class, so this position will continue to be a strong area for ku.
LB: ku >>>>> K-State
- Once again, not close. James Holt is playing like a 1st-team All-Big 12 perfromer this year. Rivera and Mortensen are both solid, and there's depth with guys like Arist Wright and Justin Springer. Against ku, K-State's best linebacker was a freshman walk-on.
KR/PR: K-State >>> ku
- Banks and Murphy have taken a couple kicks back this year while ku has struggled in this area. Still, Marcus Herford was a 1st-team AA last season and Daymond Patterson returned a punt for a TD in his first college game.
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Ben is in full on Validation mode.
You know you're not really going anywhere when you're a ku fan over on a ksu board trying to validate the ku football program.
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ku is going to the Ft. Worth/Insight.com bowl and he's on the board with the validation gas pedal to the floor.?
What a douche.
btw...I'd like to see you smart off the Pierce in person. Would be funny to see.
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Mr. Pierce, you are beyond delusional.
QB: ku >>> K-State
- Reesing is much more talented than Josh Freeman. Not even close. Freeman has the NFL size and that's about it.
RB: ku >> K-State
- Look at what Jake Sharp did to K-State's defense. It was a complete joke. ku's got more depth at this position as well with Crawford and Quigley.
WR: ku >>> K-State
- Briscoe, Meier, and Wilson are better than anything K-State puts on the field. Banks is a midget with speed and that's about it.
TE: K-State > ku
- Mastrud is pretty good, so I'll give it to K-State. Biere will be a good player for ku though.
OL: ku >>>> K-State
- In the ku/K-State game, ku had 280 rushing yards to K-State's 91. Those are facts. Say what you want about coaching, but K-State has very little talent up front. Your o-line got dominated up front, while ku's made it look easy. Spikes and Hatch, the two freshman o-tackles, are getting better each week. Mangino has done a great job of assembling talent on the o-line.
DL: ku >> K-State
- ku's d-line pretty much dominated K-State once again this year. Jamal Greene, Richard Johnson, Darius Parish, and Caleb Blakesley are all very solid up front. The d-ends have had trouble getting pressure, but Laptad and Onyegbule are both starting to come along nicely. Brorsen has had some great games over the past couple of years against K-State as well. ku also has some redshirt freshman who have a chance to be really good in the next few years. Campbell and Harold are about all K-State has on the d-line.
CB: ku >> K-State
- Josh Moore is good. Aside from that, K-State's cornerbacks are pretty weak. Thornton and Patterson have been an improvement for ku over Harper and Harris. ku has young, high school players in the program like Ryan Murphy and Greg Brown who could develop into good players down the road. K-State, thanks to Ron Prince, has a bunch of Juco's at this position.
S: ku >>>> K-State
- Darrell Stuckey is a beast. This one isn't even close. Phillip Strozier and Chris Harris are both solid as well. For K-State, Herndon and Carney are decent, but Hartman is horrible. ku is bringing in a nice group of safeties in the '09 recruiting class, so this position will continue to be a strong area for ku.
LB: ku >>>>> K-State
- Once again, not close. James Holt is playing like a 1st-team All-Big 12 perfromer this year. Rivera and Mortensen are both solid, and there's depth with guys like Arist Wright and Justin Springer. Against ku, K-State's best linebacker was a freshman walk-on.
KR/PR: K-State >>> ku
- Banks and Murphy have taken a couple kicks back this year while ku has struggled in this area. Still, Marcus Herford was a 1st-team AA last season and Daymond Patterson returned a punt for a TD in his first college game.
Well, I've read TP's analysis of the TALENT, and BMW's talent analysis......please go home and lick your wounds....or whatever you lick BMW. TP has woned you again. Try for validation with your own little cronies.
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All Big 12 and NFL linebacker >>>>> Argyle wearing ku fan.
What more needs to be said...
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All Big 12 and NFL linebacker >>>>> Argyle wearing ku fan.
What more needs to be said...
:cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist:
QFT :kstatriot:
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K-State's players don't execute the plays correctly because they suck. They lack talent. Snyder won't change that. 52-21 wasn't just because of coaching, you incompetent f*cking morons. ku called off the dogs or else the score could have been 70-14.
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don't you have friends or something? you know that you can talk to about your big win?
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don't you have friends or something? you know that you can talk to about your big win?
haha...but really, we already know the answer to this. around ku fans bmw is just another clueless football fan, but here he is the center of attention. he's a princess who loves attention, good or bad. why we humor him is beyond me. i guess we all like to laugh at the court jester.
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I guess ku fans can be proud of this season, 7 wins, bowl eligible. It should also give them a better understanding of how hard it is to win consistently in the Big XII and perhaps help open their eyes as to how truly amazing the DoD was.
:lol: DoD. what a joke.
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Ben is near meltdown again.
$2.3 million a year and all we got was a win over a 9-4 mu team. :lol:
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I guess ku fans can be proud of this season, 7 wins, bowl eligible. It should also give them a better understanding of how hard it is to win consistently in the Big XII and perhaps help open their eyes as to how truly amazing the DoD was.
:lol: DoD. what a joke.
Your best season was 2nd in the north. :lol:
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I guess ku fans can be proud of this season, 7 wins, bowl eligible. It should also give them a better understanding of how hard it is to win consistently in the Big XII and perhaps help open their eyes as to how truly amazing the DoD was.
:lol: DoD. what a joke.
Your best season was 2nd in the north. :lol:
yeah..we are getting a YoD dvd ready. is the bad teams in the B12N all you dominated? just trying to clarify
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
huh? i thought it was an entire decade? You mean in 10 years of domination you only won 1 conference title and no BCS bowls? You at least played for a NC during that time right?
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Don't play dumb jayhawks. :rolleyes: Just think the DOD was developing and then happening when CU and NU won a combined 4 National Titles, and played for 3 more.
Just think . . . ku is paying Mangina $2.3 million a year, and after 7 years his best win might be a win over an MU team that will have to win its bowl game to cling to a Top 25 spot.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
Understood.
Amazing how badly the North has fallen . . . after next Saturday, barring a miracle, the North won't have won a big 12 title since 2003.
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Don't play dumb jayhawks. :rolleyes: Just think the DOD was developing and then happening when CU and NU won a combined 4 National Titles, and played for 3 more.
Just think . . . ku is paying Mangina $2.3 million a year, and after 7 years his best win might be a win over an MU team that will have to win its bowl game to cling to a Top 25 spot.
So it should be NU and CU claiming DoD?
PS> I think a coach taking a team to 12-1 and an BCS bowl win is worth at least 2mil. this MU win was just icing on the cake. hell, after Sat might as well tack on another 500000. Sad that after your DoD you could only pull a coach from the coordinator ranks and only one that would take 750G a year. Kinda funny though how you guys are always trying to copy nub.
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Okay there Leawood.
Smoke and Mirrored their way to 12-1, and then when the schedule bowed up a little . . . splat . . . 5 losses.
Just think . . Ron Effing Prince has more wins over final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
We aren't talking about basketball. We are talking about the sport where ku hasn't seen an outright conference title in nearly 90 years.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
huh? i thought it was an entire decade? You mean in 10 years of domination you only won 1 conference title and no BCS bowls? You at least played for a NC during that time right?
just curious... when did the BCS form?
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
When in doubt change the sport.
We'll just chalk you up as another squawktard who just doesn't "get it".
Sad . . .
Ron Prince has more wins over Final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Okay there Leawood.
Smoke and Mirrored their way to 12-1, and then when the schedule bowed up a little . . . splat . . . 5 losses.
Just think . . Ron Effing Prince has more wins over final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina. :lol: :lol: :lol:
kus' success just eats you alive huh bro.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
We are talking about the sport where ku hasn't seen an outright conference title in nearly 90 years.
but still has the same amount as KSU.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
huh? i thought it was an entire decade? You mean in 10 years of domination you only won 1 conference title and no BCS bowls? You at least played for a NC during that time right?
just curious... when did the BCS form?
1998. 4 years into your DoD
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
We are talking about the sport where ku hasn't seen an outright conference title in nearly 90 years.
but still has the same amount as KSU.
Congrats dude. Maybe your dead gamps can detail that 1930 big six title.
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Okay there Leawood.
Smoke and Mirrored their way to 12-1, and then when the schedule bowed up a little . . . splat . . . 5 losses.
Just think . . Ron Effing Prince has more wins over final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina. :lol: :lol: :lol:
kus' success just eats you alive huh bro.
Quit going to the overused squawktard play book.
The fact that Mark Mangina has fewer wins over Top 10 teams than Ron Prince has got to be painful. Last year ku's SOS was 77 at the end of the regular season . . . this year its 24 and ku losses 5 games.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
When in doubt change the sport.
We'll just chalk you up as another squawktard who just doesn't "get it".
Sad . . .
Ron Prince has more wins over Final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Didn't know DoD only applies to football. I love how you guys narrow it down to make it seam like your university is a top notch sports program. But outside of your DoD in football you have absolutely nothing, and even in your DoD you only have 1 conf title and nothing else.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
huh? i thought it was an entire decade? You mean in 10 years of domination you only won 1 conference title and no BCS bowls? You at least played for a NC during that time right?
just curious... when did the BCS form?
1998. 4 years into your DoD
If the BCS allowed 4 at-large teams instead of two (which was the case leading int 2006) KSU would have made a BCS bowl in 1998, 1999 and 2002. That would have given us 4 total BCS bids.
KSU has gone 6-2 or better seven (7) times in the big 12's history. ku has done better than .500 once.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
When in doubt change the sport.
We'll just chalk you up as another squawktard who just doesn't "get it".
Sad . . .
Ron Prince has more wins over Final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Didn't know DoD only applies to football. I love how you guys narrow it down to make it seam like your university is a top notch sports program. But outside of your DoD in football you have absolutely nothing, and even in your DoD you only have 1 conf title and nothing else.
Congrats on your DoD in basketball. Too bad it's basketball. Hell, we were just as dominant heading into the 90's. BFD, basketball will always be 2nd tier.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
When in doubt change the sport.
We'll just chalk you up as another squawktard who just doesn't "get it".
Sad . . .
Ron Prince has more wins over Final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Didn't know DoD only applies to football. I love how you guys narrow it down to make it seam like your university is a top notch sports program. But outside of your DoD in football you have absolutely nothing, and even in your DoD you only have 1 conf title and nothing else.
Congrats on your DoD in basketball. Too bad it's basketball. Hell, we were just as dominant heading into the 90's. BFD, basketball will always be 2nd tier.
not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
When in doubt change the sport.
We'll just chalk you up as another squawktard who just doesn't "get it".
Sad . . .
Ron Prince has more wins over Final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Didn't know DoD only applies to football. I love how you guys narrow it down to make it seam like your university is a top notch sports program. But outside of your DoD in football you have absolutely nothing, and even in your DoD you only have 1 conf title and nothing else.
BFD, basketball will always be 2nd tier.
if that makes you feel better about your DoD in football
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kidding? thought you'd realize how hard it is to do what we did after this year.
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Actually we went into Austin and beat Texas who won the South that year beat USC and Carson Palmer who won the Orange Bowl that year, beat #4 Nebraska, beat #1 OU . . . oh yeah beat #10 ku.
Dax, no. It's pointless to try to explain a DoD to a person who has never experienced one. They just can't wrap their brains around it.
I don't know. We could claim 5 or 6 DoD in Bball. I've experienced 2 NC in my life, and seen them play for 2 others. How bout yourself? My confusion comes from KSU and it's claim of domination over 10 years that saw 9 different Conf champions and 10 diff national champs. None with KSU on their jerseys. If a DVD is all you have after your great DoD then i'm just not impressed. I get the joke, but i'm not impressed.
When in doubt change the sport.
We'll just chalk you up as another squawktard who just doesn't "get it".
Sad . . .
Ron Prince has more wins over Final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Didn't know DoD only applies to football. I love how you guys narrow it down to make it seam like your university is a top notch sports program. But outside of your DoD in football you have absolutely nothing, and even in your DoD you only have 1 conf title and nothing else.
BFD, basketball will always be 2nd tier.
if that makes you feel better about your DoD in football
So your saying, Football<Basketball
GMAFB
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
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Okay there Leawood.
Smoke and Mirrored their way to 12-1, and then when the schedule bowed up a little . . . splat . . . 5 losses.
Just think . . Ron Effing Prince has more wins over final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina. :lol: :lol: :lol:
kus' success just eats you alive huh bro.
Quit going to the overused squawktard play book.
The fact that Mark Mangina has fewer wins over Top 10 teams than Ron Prince has got to be painful. Last year ku's SOS was 77 at the end of the regular season . . . this year its 24 and ku losses 5 games.
Doesn't bother me at all. Concrats to prince. what did it get him? a sorry ass program dumping him after 2 years and going back in time hoping to reclaim the magic. So after jumping up 50 places in SoS we only lost 4 more games. By they way 4 of our 5 losses are to top 20 teams with 3 being top 5. I'm sorry if i'm not all that disappointed. What was your SoS this year?
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
oh, don't get me wrong. i'm impressed with what snyder did, but to claim domination without winning a single Title is laughable to me and everyone outside the KSU fandom.
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can't believe this thread exists.
this is terry &@#%ing pierce you &@#%ing morons. they gave him more money as a signing bonus just to be associated with football than all of you &@#%tards will make in a lifetime. his pinkie toe has more football knowledge than you. you should be paying him money just to speak to him.
congrats on your first back to back bowl seasons EVER in the history of your program..yep, the talent there is overwhelming! now go eat a dick you &@#%ing &@#%s.
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Hell, ku fans are celebrating this season as a success at 7-5. Remember how pissed we were in 2001? Well they just had our 2001 and they are celebrating. They don't get it.
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Big 12 North schools during the DOD . . . 4 conference titles, 3 National Titles, played for 1 more. Big 12 North since 2003 . . . no conference titles, only a brief sniffage of a national title from a smoke and mirrors schedule.
The old schedule gets a little tough . . . and ku football program coming off a 12-1 smoke and mirrors season drops 5 games.
K-State's SOS was 54 BTW.
sqauwktards find out you have to do a little more than "talk" to be able to say you're just going to "reload".
Big 12 North at its lowest point ever, and ku still can't find its way into the CCG. :lol:
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
oh, don't get me wrong. i'm impressed with what snyder did, but to claim domination without winning a single Title is laughable to me and everyone outside the KSU fandom.
Mack Brown has been at texas 11 years, and has one single big 12 title. This isn't hoops where 3 different teams are given a trophy every year, and a conference tournament also gives out a trophy.
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Wow . . . the highest paid coach in the Big 12 North goes 7-5 this year.
Heh Hoax.
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
oh, don't get me wrong. i'm impressed with what snyder did, but to claim domination without winning a single Title is laughable to me and everyone outside the KSU fandom.
Mack Brown has been at texas 11 years, and has one single big 12 title. This isn't hoops where 3 different teams are given a trophy every year, and a conference tournament also gives out a trophy.
^perspective^ :eek:
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Hell, ku fans are celebrating this season as a success at 7-5. Remember how pissed we were in 2001? Well they just had our 2001 and they are celebrating. They don't get it.
The big 12 North was 10 times more difficult in 2001 as well.
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I think it's funny that ku fans are talking about how much farther along they are than K-State in football when in reality, we just finished 9th in the conference and fired our coach, and they just finished 7th in the exact same conference and are celebrating like they won a championship. Kinda puts things into perspective.
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I think it's funny that ku fans are talking about how much farther along they are than K-State in football when in reality, we just finished 9th in the conference and fired our coach, and they just finished 7th in the exact same conference and are celebrating like they won a championship. Kinda puts things into perspective.
Hey $2.3 million a year for a 43-41 record.
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Okay there Leawood.
Smoke and Mirrored their way to 12-1, and then when the schedule bowed up a little . . . splat . . . 5 losses.
Just think . . Ron Effing Prince has more wins over final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina. :lol: :lol: :lol:
kus' success just eats you alive huh bro.
Quit going to the overused squawktard play book.
The fact that Mark Mangina has fewer wins over Top 10 teams than Ron Prince has got to be painful. Last year ku's SOS was 77 at the end of the regular season . . . this year its 24 and ku losses 5 games.
Not painful at all. Mangino won National Coach of the Year last season while Ron Prince was struggling to go 5-7. Thanks to Ron Prince, K-State's football program is at the bottom of the Big 12. Talk about smoke and mirrors... those wins over Texas were complete flukes. It's hilarious though how much that 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still eating you up inside. ku had a damn good football team last year. This season, everyone has a different team. Maybe if K-State fielded a decent football team every once in a while, ku's SOS would be even higher.
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
:lol:
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
:lol:
K-state's 1998 team would have killed ku last year. ku hasn't even gone to a Big 12 title game. You guys had one fluke season and finally beat a ranked team this year....Mizzou. Before the Mizzou game you yourself wouldn't shut up about how this team couldn't beat anyone that the 2004 team couldn't beat. One fluke win against Missouri sure changed your story around, huh?
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and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.
srsly?
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and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.
srsly?
Awesome.
Most ku fans I know would settle for winning a North at least once. This guy thinks they are Florida all of the sudden.
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
:lol:
That 07 team sucked. Our 2001 team was still the #4 ranked Defense in the country. Your 07 team wouldnt have even scored. Best case scenario vs our 01 team with your 07 would be 0-0. Although Im sure our defense would have scored, and we would have ran the ball down your throat with that soft ass defense you guys had. You need to learn Football 101 cause ku 07 wouldnt have stood a chance against against any ksu team from 97-2003. This isn't even arguable!
It's arguable when you are in complete denial of how good we were during those years and how incredibly flukey their season was last year.
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
:lol:
:rofl:
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
:lol:
Wow BMW, just......wow.
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
:lol:
:rofl:
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Actually this makes a lot of sense. This proves BMW is really only like 8 years old. He doesn't remember anything past 04.
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Mr. Pierce, you are beyond delusional.
QB: ku >>> K-State
- Reesing is much more talented than Josh Freeman. Not even close. Freeman has the NFL size and that's about it.
RB: ku >> K-State
- Look at what Jake Sharp did to K-State's defense. It was a complete joke. ku's got more depth at this position as well with Crawford and Quigley.
WR: ku >>> K-State
- Briscoe, Meier, and Wilson are better than anything K-State puts on the field. Banks is a midget with speed and that's about it.
TE: K-State > ku
- Mastrud is pretty good, so I'll give it to K-State. Biere will be a good player for ku though.
OL: ku >>>> K-State
- In the ku/K-State game, ku had 280 rushing yards to K-State's 91. Those are facts. Say what you want about coaching, but K-State has very little talent up front. Your o-line got dominated up front, while ku's made it look easy. Spikes and Hatch, the two freshman o-tackles, are getting better each week. Mangino has done a great job of assembling talent on the o-line.
DL: ku >> K-State
- ku's d-line pretty much dominated K-State once again this year. Jamal Greene, Richard Johnson, Darius Parish, and Caleb Blakesley are all very solid up front. The d-ends have had trouble getting pressure, but Laptad and Onyegbule are both starting to come along nicely. Brorsen has had some great games over the past couple of years against K-State as well. ku also has some redshirt freshman who have a chance to be really good in the next few years. Campbell and Harold are about all K-State has on the d-line.
CB: ku >> K-State
- Josh Moore is good. Aside from that, K-State's cornerbacks are pretty weak. Thornton and Patterson have been an improvement for ku over Harper and Harris. ku has young, high school players in the program like Ryan Murphy and Greg Brown who could develop into good players down the road. K-State, thanks to Ron Prince, has a bunch of Juco's at this position.
S: ku >>>> K-State
- Darrell Stuckey is a beast. This one isn't even close. Phillip Strozier and Chris Harris are both solid as well. For K-State, Herndon and Carney are decent, but Hartman is horrible. ku is bringing in a nice group of safeties in the '09 recruiting class, so this position will continue to be a strong area for ku.
LB: ku >>>>> K-State
- Once again, not close. James Holt is playing like a 1st-team All-Big 12 perfromer this year. Rivera and Mortensen are both solid, and there's depth with guys like Arist Wright and Justin Springer. Against ku, K-State's best linebacker was a freshman walk-on. KR/PR: K-State >>> ku
- Banks and Murphy have taken a couple kicks back this year while ku has struggled in this area. Still, Marcus Herford was a 1st-team AA last season and Daymond Patterson returned a punt for a TD in his first college game.
This actually shows me and everyone on the board how much you dont know about talent.
QB-Reesing is a winner like I said, but talented he is not. NFL teams dont like Freeman bc of size. They like him because he can make every throw on the field. Something Reesing cannot. Reesing is a winner as long as the OC calls the play from the sideline just like all the other spread QB's. This shouldnt even be a discussion, if we are talking about Talent.
RB-Yes, look at what Jake sharp did to KSU defense, then look at what everyone else did to it. Performance against the #117 ranked defense does not make you talented. I suspect that Lamark Brown got the starting job bc of what he did to the defense in practice. Sharp is a good football player, but talented he is not
WR-Dude are you kidding me? Briscoe, Meier and wilson are good players just good. So are our wr's. playing with your offense, they'd probably have far better stats. Meier is slow, Briscoe is average at best. I don't even know why you brought up Wilson.
OL-Because they dominated our defense you are calling them talented? Gotta be kidding...Everyone dominated our d-line. How many times does this have to be discussed. We are talking about talent. your ot's are better, but that's where it ends. We dont even run the damn ball enough for you to make this comparison. This is a wash. Get your head out of your ass
DL-KSU is much better talent wise. Your DE's are the worst in the Big 12. Ours were getting double teamed every play in the 3-4. Harold, Childs, Campbell are leaps and bounds better than your DE's and both our DT's aren't very good. Ours is because of scheme. I have no doubt that even our DT's are more TALENTED. YOu are waaaaay off base here buddy. The players on your D-line are coming along because of better coaching.And why are you talking about Freshman who hadn't played. We dont know how talented they are yet, and that doesn't help you win the argument
LBs-Mortenson is a leader with no talent, a solid football player with absolutely no speed and they come a dime a dozen. Rivera has good speed but will only hit guys who arent looking. Not to mention is the worst Blitzing LB in the Big 12. Holt is only playing like a 1st team All Big 12 player from DE in passing situations, definitely not at pure LB. But I give you the nod because of experience, much better coaching, and much better scheme. Not TALENT! And quit talking about guys no ones heard of...
Safeties-Stuckey wins this for you, and I will state that every single safety I played with at KSU was better aside from j. tetuan. A beast is a safety like OU's SS. The rest are extremely comparable to our Safeties. And there you go again talking about recruits who have proven nothing. Dont let those star ratings fool you either. Hartman is a Fr. dude. He will be better next year with a damn coach.
CB-Dude you're crazy if you think your corners are the least bit good. Moore wins this one by himself just like Stuckey won it for your safeties. Are you still talking about young players in the program? This discussion is about the talent we have seen, not talent the jayhawk slant says you have in the pipeline. With better coaching we'd blow you out of the water, based on talent
Oh TE- Mastrud is much better than any ku TE will ever be, we just didn't use him. I didn't even know you had a TE on the roster, that's how bad you suck in this category
:nono: nice try but not even close. You are speaking as a fan of ku. I'm speaking as neutral guy evaluating talent. Know what you are talking about before you challenge me SON! :bitchslap: And while you are at it, learn what football TALENT is... :bootyshake:
Now as a Fan... :ksu:
:jail: Do not pass go, Do not collect $200
Wow... thanks for the laughs. Like I already pointed out, K-State's o-line and d-line suck. Your skill positions are full of Juco scrubs. ku has young, talented depth at just about every position. Mortensen might not be that talented but he's a hell of a lot better than that walk-on scrub who was leading your team in tackles. Mort was a 1st-team All Big 12 last season. You are beyond delusional, Mr. Pierce. LOL @ calling yourself "neutral."
PS. How many top 5 teams did you guys beat and how many BCS bowls did you win? How many 12-win seasons did you guys have? ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.
PSS. I provide facts. You provide hyperbole. Look at the score of the ku/K-State game... 52-21, and it wasn't that close. ku is much more talented. Deal with it.
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Yeah! Take that TP! You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!
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Yeah! Take that TP! You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!
I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).
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"This really isn't surprising, coming from BMW. One week he's bagging on Mangino all over the Internet, the next he's on ksufans.com touting how much progress the program has made under him."- PittsburgJayhawk
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Well, ku does have a lot more talent than we do.
But the comment about the '07 ku team being better than any KSU DoD squad has to be a joke. Stop being so silly BMW.
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PS. How many top 5 teams did you guys beat and how many BCS bowls did you win? How many 12-win seasons did you guys have? ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.
you're losing it. :rolleyes:
But TP is kind of a homer. I mean, I can see the argument for Freeman no doubt, but WR's??? No way. O-line? You cannot even come close to defending that thing. RB? No way. We don't have a running back. LB? LOL, ours are complete garbage.
this doesn't mean we won't be more talented than ku in 2009.
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Yeah! Take that TP! You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!
I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).
Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.
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PS. How many top 5 teams did you guys beat and how many BCS bowls did you win? How many 12-win seasons did you guys have? ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.
you're losing it. :rolleyes:
But TP is kind of a homer. I mean, I can see the argument for Freeman no doubt, but WR's??? No way. O-line? You cannot even come close to defending that thing. RB? No way. We don't have a running back. LB? LOL, ours are complete garbage.
this doesn't mean we won't be more talented than ku in 2009.
I thought you were talking about ku's '07 basketball team at first, then I kinda ran with it. I'm trying my best to get under TP's skin. But yeah, the dude's a complete homer.
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Irony:
But yeah, the dude's a complete homer.
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Yeah! Take that TP! You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!
I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).
Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.
So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it. I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.
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A guy who played at K-State being a "complete homer" for K-State? No!!
This from the same guy who demands validation for ku on a K-State board at every turn.
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Hey BMW,
It's pps not pss. You are welcome.
Sincerely,
Catchup
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So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it. I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.
Glad to help.
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This thread has been incredibly entertaining, but I am curious about a couple of things:
1) What are we talking about, when we evaluate someone's "talent?" Is it just their overall athleticism?
2) What throws is Todd incapable of making, exactly? Isn't part of a QBs "talent" his ability to go through the progressions, find a receiver, and deliver the ball accurately? Freems has a stronger arm (Though Todd can still chuck it 60+ yards, so he's no slouch), but I'm struggling to come up with another area in which he's inherently more "talented" than Todd.
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
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Yeah! Take that TP! You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!
I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).
Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.
So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it. I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.
So when ku travels to K-State this upcoming season, ku will have no trouble winning because they more talented by such a wide margin - right?
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
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That 07 team sucked. Our 2001 team was still the #4 ranked Defense in the country. Your 07 team wouldnt have even scored. Best case scenario vs our 01 team with your 07 would be 0-0. Although Im sure our defense would have scored, and we would have ran the ball down your throat with that soft ass defense you guys had. You need to learn Football 101 cause ku 07 wouldnt have stood a chance against against any ksu team from 97-2003. This isn't even arguable!
That #3 Va Tech team they beat in the Orange Bowl had more talent than most, if not all, of your K-State teams during the DoD.
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Yeah! Take that TP! You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!
I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).
Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.
So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it. I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.
So when ku travels to K-State this upcoming season, ku will have no trouble winning because they more talented by such a wide margin - right?
Correct. I mean honestly, have you seen Ron Prince's recruiting classes?
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
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Lets just stop it right now . . . one day you talk to Ben and he'll pull out the phogtardlogic about how they could all see the difference Mangino made from day one . . . thus emphasizing coaching up players. Now, Ben's trying to tell us its all about the talent and nothing to do with the coaching.
Ben as per usual is all over the map.
Damn . . . :rolleyes:
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
Yes, strange how that "monitoring" seems to pick up when things go better for ku. :rolleyes:
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
you have to atleast agree that Ben is one of the worst ku posters when it comes to bandwagon mouth running.
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
Yes, strange how that "monitoring" seems to pick up when things go better for ku. :rolleyes:
Not really sure what to tell you, Dax. Speaking for myself, the number of times I visit ksufans.com hasn't really changed at all. After the game in Lawrence this year, for example, I checked the board but didn't see anything worth a comment.
This thread is both funny and worthy, for a number of reasons – not the least of which is that it's an excellent display of BMW's manic nature. One minute he's chastising the posters on Phog for not sending an angry mob to the Mangino house, the next he's over here touting how much progress the program has made under him. It's absolutely bizarre.
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We're not all BMW.
And for that, be thankful!
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BMW all that talent in ku's greatest team got you what conference title again? Just remember that you got in by the back door (no gay joke thats how serious I am) and you were waxed by the team who should have been in your place.
And do I need to make you look like a fool again for pointing out that BS number next to VT?
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That #3 Va Tech team they beat in the Orange Bowl had more talent than most, if not all, of your K-State teams during the DoD.
Keep dreaming princess. The 1998 team had talent coming out of its ears.
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
Yes, strange how that "monitoring" seems to pick up when things go better for ku. :rolleyes:
I will defend Pitt in this case - it's much more entertaining to peruse Phog.net when ku is getting their ass kicked, or if K-State is doing well. I mean, didn't all of us go check it out after 84-75?
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Saying that you provide facts is ridiculous. The argument was about talent. ku had one 12 win season in the worst year of the Big 12 north. We had 6 11 win seasons and 10 with 9 or more wins. KSU 03 would blow ku 07 away! :lol: This is funny...Fatty can get on your side all he wants but you guys are about the same when it comes to defending what you say. TALENT! Is what we are talking about here. And that is it. While we are on the subject ku 07 didnt have the Talent to even get on the field with the KSU 97-03. O-line? I said your OT's were better, but that's where it ends. When we are talking about Talent, we are talking about NATURAL ABILITY. I guess you guys just wanna skip over that fact and keep talking about the 09 recruiting class, your record, and how you did against our defense...
Everyone knows that AllBig 12 is put to a vote. The teams with the best record have the most All Big 12 players, that doesn't mean that they are more talented. And just to reassure me how stupid you are, you still say head to head, total yards, and All Americans should decide talent? Now ask your dumb ass self this...Are head to head games, total yards, and All American status the sole determining factor for talent? I guess coaching and scheme have nothing to do with that...If what your saying is correct, the most talented team will always have more yards and win every game. So Florida, USC, Texas, OU and many others should never lose. :jerkoff:
Complete idiots when it comes to knowing anything about football.
Can you define "talent?" I'd just like to understand the terms under discussion here.
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Can you define "talent?" I'd just like to understand the terms under discussion here.
Intangible and near impossible to quantify. Which is kind of the point, you know? That's what makes this circular argument circular.
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
Yes, strange how that "monitoring" seems to pick up when things go better for ku. :rolleyes:
Not really sure what to tell you, Dax. Speaking for myself, the number of times I visit ksufans.com hasn't really changed at all. After the game in Lawrence this year, for example, I checked the board but didn't see anything worth a comment.
This thread is both funny and worthy, for a number of reasons – not the least of which is that it's an excellent display of BMW's manic nature. One minute he's chastising the posters on Phog for not sending an angry mob to the Mangino house, the next he's over here touting how much progress the program has made under him. It's absolutely bizarre.
We can agree on that Pitt.
Like I said, it used to be all about Mangino "coaching them up" . . . and thus that would mean a premium is being placed on good coaching, now its all about talent.
There's no doubt in my mind that had KSU not had a joke of a staff that KSU could have won 6 or 7 games, and would not have been so totally embarrassed in all of the losses. Poor technique, bad pursuit angles, over pursuit and bad schemes is coaching, not talent. Good coaching with decent to good talent (ku), coupled with motivation . . . will beat the heck out of mediocre to decent talent being coached poorly almost every time (KSU) . . . any normal ku fan would understand that completely.
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So Florida, USC, Texas, OU and many others should never lose.
JMO, but those teams don't always have the most talent. Rivals rankings aren't 100% correct. For example, ND get's highly recruited classes, but it's garbage. They are not a talented team.
KSU from 97-03 was absurdly talented. Hence, the absurd success. (mostly on defense...LOADED) Think about it TP, we look at our 2000 LB's as "weak" during the DoD (kazar, lott, young leber/tp), but those LB's would blow the door out of any group we've had since 2003 (outside of 06, maybe) Do you remember the amount of talent that we had stocked in our sercondaries during DoD? Remember how Terence Newman was a friggin backup in 2000? Carter, Butler, Newman, faggins, cooper, tyler...Dear God!
Complete idiots when it comes to knowing anything about football.
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It's an excellent display of BMW's manic nature. One minute he's chastising the posters on Phog for not sending an angry mob to the Mangino house, the next he's over here touting how much progress the program has made under him. It's absolutely bizarre.
he's prob. the best poster on either board. maybe you should stfu.
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bmw has me convinced that this 2 year run by the hawks might have actually dwarfed nubbs's mini run of MNCs in the mid 90s.
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There is a reason why Mangino won "coach" of the year last year and it wasn't because his team was talented. If you listened to broadcasts of their games during the '07 season neutral observers with lots of experience watching great teams never said anything about how talented the jayhawks were. They always said how well coached and disciplined they were and mentioned how their offensive scheme provided great balance that made it difficult to stop. You can't list numbers and accolades and say it was because of talent and then ignore any of the coaching factors that played a part in them.
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I just skip everyone elses reponses to get to TP. :notworthy: You all should just stop now.
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So Florida, USC, Texas, OU and many others should never lose.
JMO, but those teams don't always have the most talent. Rivals rankings aren't 100% correct. For example, ND get's highly recruited classes, but it's garbage. They are not a talented team.
saying rivals is wrong only when their rankings don't make sense on the field is too convenient to those who tout talent as the end all be all to success in college football. Like I said before, talent is most important overall but coaching also plays a big part in a program's success. I feel that in this age of modern cfb it's about 60/40 talent to coaching. Poor coaches do not tap into all of their players talents nor do they put them in the best situations to showcase them. You can't just roll 'em out there and win in this age of the game..there is far too much parity and good players are spread too far across the board for that to happen like it used to. Now it's becoming more and more about how well you're exploiting your players' talents, how you're motivating them, how you're scheming them, how disciplined they are, how mentally tough they are, how you're developing them in the off-season, how prepared they are week in and week out, etc. You still need good players to win but coaching is becoming that much more important as the years go by. imo.
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saying rivals is wrong only when their rankings don't make sense on the field is too convenient to those who tout talent as the end all be all to success in college football.
that's true, but it is true.
what, was bill snyder a bad coach for the majority of his 4/5 stars in his latter years being busts? No, they were overrated talents.
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saying rivals is wrong only when their rankings don't make sense on the field is too convenient to those who tout talent as the end all be all to success in college football.
that's true, but it is true.
what, was bill snyder a bad coach for the majority of his 4/5 stars in his latter years being busts? No, they were overrated talents.
His leftover assistants were lazy fracks that nobody wanted so you could argue those players were poorly coached. Good players won't look so good when they are being lead by poor and uninspired coaching. How do you know it wasn't the coaching? How do you know it was just a talent issue in 04-05? Haven't we concluded that our talent level was far greater then than it is now? if so, it couldn't have been that bad.
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saying rivals is wrong only when their rankings don't make sense on the field is too convenient to those who tout talent as the end all be all to success in college football.
that's true, but it is true.
what, was bill snyder a bad coach for the majority of his 4/5 stars in his latter years being busts? No, they were overrated talents.
His leftover assistants were lazy fracks that nobody wanted so you could argue those players were poorly coached. Good players won't look so good when they are being lead by poor and uninspired coaching. How do you know it wasn't the coaching? How do you know it was just a talent issue in 04-05? Haven't we concluded that our talent level was far greater then than it is now? if so, it couldn't have been that bad.
you mean the same staff that won the big 12 title in 2003, outside of brett bielena? Or the same staff that went 11-2 and had one of the most dominating teams in big 12 history (2002) outside of Ron Hudson and the o-line coach? The same Ron Hudson Kentucky whacked?
Good players make coaches look good. Not the other way around. Never the other way around.
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saying rivals is wrong only when their rankings don't make sense on the field is too convenient to those who tout talent as the end all be all to success in college football.
that's true, but it is true.
what, was bill snyder a bad coach for the majority of his 4/5 stars in his latter years being busts? No, they were overrated talents.
His leftover assistants were lazy fracks that nobody wanted so you could argue those players were poorly coached. Good players won't look so good when they are being lead by poor and uninspired coaching. How do you know it wasn't the coaching? How do you know it was just a talent issue in 04-05? Haven't we concluded that our talent level was far greater then than it is now? if so, it couldn't have been that bad.
you mean the same staff that won the big 12 title in 2003, outside of brett bielena? Or the same staff that went 11-2 and had one of the most dominating teams in big 12 history (2002) outside of Ron Hudson and the o-line coach? The same Ron Hudson Kentucky whacked?
Good players make coaches look good. Not the other way around. Never the other way around.
Beliema (sp?) was kind of a big deal to lose on the defensive side. That allowed Elliot to have his dirty hands all over the defense.
I gotta ask though. Who the hell expected us to be really good in '04 after you lose that many contributors from a Championship team? You look around and see this happen everywhere in college football more frequently now. Team goes on great run one season and then takes a huge step backward the next after losing a bunch of starters. Look at LSU this year, they are terribly average and just lost to rebuilding Arkansas, finishing 7-5, and they are loaded with top recruits that they were just suppose to reload with. The point is it doesn't happen in a year in good conferences and looking back at 04-05, it wasn't as big of a surprise as it should have been. It was a rebuilding phase. I still feel that assistants held us back from being bowl teams, at least in '05, and Snyder was burnt out trying to right the ship himself when he should have brought in better assistants to help get back on track rather than save his bums and do it all himself.
Bottom line for me, better, more inspiring assistants would have got us back to bowl season in '05 and probably would have recruited better beforehand which also would have helped get us back to contending in the North sooner.
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Bottom line for me, better, more inspiring assistants would have got us back to bowl season in '05 and probably would have recruited better beforehand which also would have helped get us back to contending in the North sooner.
agreed dude. 4-7 in 2004, could have been 6-5 maybe. 5-6 in 2005 could have also been 6-5. A 1.5 game difference in terms of coaching is very believable.
Now, 11-4 to 4-7 is a difference coaching had no part of. Do you see what I'm trying to say? A 60/40 ratio is absurd.
Also, coaching is not just X's and O's. It's also motivation. I think motivation is a much bigger deal than "gameday coaching" or x's and o's. Which coach can motivate a player to be the best? That's a bigger deal than technique n sh*t, imo.
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Bottom line for me, better, more inspiring assistants would have got us back to bowl season in '05 and probably would have recruited better beforehand which also would have helped get us back to contending in the North sooner.
agreed dude. 4-7 in 2004, could have been 6-5 maybe. 5-6 in 2005 could have also been 6-5. A 1.5 game difference in terms of coaching is very believable.
Now, 11-4 to 4-7 is a difference coaching had no part of. Do you see what I'm trying to say? A 60/40 ratio is absurd.
Also, coaching is not just X's and O's. It's also motivation. I think motivation is a much bigger deal than "gameday coaching" or x's and o's. Which coach can motivate a player to be the best? That's a bigger deal than technique n sh*t, imo.
2004.
1)lost Beilema
2)I admit, we failed at recruiting a reliable quarterback to replace Roberson, which that caused instability on offense by platooning Meier/Webb
3)O-Line decimated with injuries. wasn't this the year where everyone got injured on the line?
I think these factors greatly contributed to a 4 win season instead of a respectable 6-5 season. Had we recruited a better quarterback and did not suffer so many injuries, KSU is in a bowl for sure that season with Sproles running the ball. 4 wins was bad but let's also remember that is equivalent to 5 wins now.
I agree on the motivation part..it's a very underrated part of coaching. You have to play with confidence and swagger or you're not going to beat anybody that's good. Beilema was the last assistant to leave that brought swagger to the defense. Elliot seemed like a pussy.
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Saying that you provide facts is ridiculous. The argument was about talent. ku had one 12 win season in the worst year of the Big 12 north. We had 6 11 win seasons and 10 with 9 or more wins. KSU 03 would blow ku 07 away! :lol: This is funny...Fatty can get on your side all he wants but you guys are about the same when it comes to defending what you say. TALENT! Is what we are talking about here. And that is it. While we are on the subject ku 07 didnt have the Talent to even get on the field with the KSU 97-03. O-line? I said your OT's were better, but that's where it ends. When we are talking about Talent, we are talking about NATURAL ABILITY. I guess you guys just wanna skip over that fact and keep talking about the 09 recruiting class, your record, and how you did against our defense...
Everyone knows that AllBig 12 is put to a vote. The teams with the best record have the most All Big 12 players, that doesn't mean that they are more talented. And just to reassure me how stupid you are, you still say head to head, total yards, and All Americans should decide talent? Now ask your dumb ass self this...Are head to head games, total yards, and All American status the sole determining factor for talent? I guess coaching and scheme have nothing to do with that...If what your saying is correct, the most talented team will always have more yards and win every game. So Florida, USC, Texas, OU and many others should never lose. :jerkoff:
Complete idiots when it comes to knowing anything about football.
You are confusing speed with talent. Kerry Meier is more talented than any receiver on K-State's roster, and it's not because he's faster. It's because he has better hands, better natural instincts, and is just an all-around better football player. It's an overall collection of talent. You are basing everything on how fast a guy can run down the field. Leo Bookman was the fastest guy on the field for ku, but he couldn't catch a pass to save his life.
As for coaching, I'm not saying it's not important. I'm not saying scheme isn't a factor. I'm saying that ku has more talent than K-State, and it's really not that close. I don't know why you can't get it through your head.
PS. '07 was not even close to the worst year for the North. You are a complete moron if you truly believe that. ku and Mizzou were both top 5 at one point and both finished 7-1 in the Big 12. Go back and look at the North division from '04-06.
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Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.
Hard as it may be to believe, Dax, not all ku fans spend every waking minute monitoring what goes on over here. I usually pop by once, maybe twice a week to see what you guys are talking about, and comment when the discussion is interesting and/or entertaining. This thread qualifies.
We're not all BMW.
Yes, strange how that "monitoring" seems to pick up when things go better for ku. :rolleyes:
Not really sure what to tell you, Dax. Speaking for myself, the number of times I visit ksufans.com hasn't really changed at all. After the game in Lawrence this year, for example, I checked the board but didn't see anything worth a comment.
This thread is both funny and worthy, for a number of reasons – not the least of which is that it's an excellent display of BMW's manic nature. One minute he's chastising the posters on Phog for not sending an angry mob to the Mangino house, the next he's over here touting how much progress the program has made under him. It's absolutely bizarre.
It's called wearing your heart on your sleeve. I was disappointed after 4 out of 5 losses to bring the team to 6-5. I'm still disappointed with losses like South Florida, Nebraska, and the 63-21 drubbing by Texas Tech. As a fan, you take the good with the bad. This thread is simply asking Terry Pierce if he still believes that ku and K-State are equal in terms of talent, which he clearly still does. I would have argued that ku has more talent than K-State, regardless of what happened against Mizzou.
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this is interesting.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=1764
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if our roster is better in 2009.
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Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
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dude, i will, i love watching K-State basketball.
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There is a reason why Mangino won "coach" of the year last year and it wasn't because his team was talented. If you listened to broadcasts of their games during the '07 season neutral observers with lots of experience watching great teams never said anything about how talented the jayhawks were. They always said how well coached and disciplined they were and mentioned how their offensive scheme provided great balance that made it difficult to stop. You can't list numbers and accolades and say it was because of talent and then ignore any of the coaching factors that played a part in them.
I've always said Mangino learned from the best and is a good coach. After saying that if it was the coaching and not the talent why the drop off this year after a few graduated and left early for the NFL? Is it the defensive coach who left? If so then the success had nothing to do with Mangino. If not the coach must of had something to do with talent as I see it. Only a Beaker can spin things where they make no sense.
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I would like to stop the back-and-forth nonsense of this thread and propose a bet to Ben.
If uk beats KSU next year, then I give mjrod permission to ban my ip.
BUT
when KSU beats uk, Ben gets banned.
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bans are for pussies; a gamble of humility is the only answer.
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How dumb are you, BMW? Can't you just go back to studying for History 101, especially considering Mr. Pierce's credentials. Starting LB multiple years @ KSU, along with NFL experience, makes him hands down more knowledgeable then anyone on this board.
Please stop now. You are making a fool of yourself.
Terry: Is there a chance that you can snag a position on Snyder's staff???
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I think it's pretty obvious that BMW has mental problems. He has emotional breakdowns at least once a month. The guy is insane. Pretty much everyone on ksufans and phog.net can tell.
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Please stop now. You are making a fool of yourself.
Terry: Is there a chance that you can snag a position on Snyder's staff???
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BMW is a dipcrap for coming on your message board and CALLING TERRY PIERCE OUT on his knowledge of football..
Go study, look for a job or try and get laid..
Jesus H already.
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Like I said BmW...To me this discussion is over. The only and best response you have is Kerry Meier's Talent? Kerry knows the offense in and out. He survives by settling into zones in your spread offense. If you knew anything about Football you would know this for sure. Kerry isn't very slow he plays pretty fast actually, because he knows where he is going and it allows him to use all of his speed. But, he is not talented. He is a QB that moved to WR which a lot of QBs have success with because they know the offense and what the qb should be thinking. With that they have lot of trust from QB and he HC, that they will know where they need to be. This is especially important in a spread. You must be a complete retard, because you are still talking about Big12 rankings as a barometer for measuring talent. Still after the entire board has told you that doesnt measure talent. But I guess I'm the complete moron...
As if it doesn't get any worse, you add a P.S. stating that 2007 wasn't the worst year in the North Division. The same year perennial North leaders KSU, Neb, CU were all down. HOw do you think Mizzou and ku ended in the top. At the same time MU gets there ass blown out by OU in the championship, one of the least competitive ever. And you guys go and beat the ACC champion, in the worst season of that Conference in the Orange Bowl. Then you wonder why you dont repeat this year... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BMW you are hilarious! And last thing. It's not called wearing your heart on your sleeve when you come to a rival teams message board and bash your team. It called being a bandwagoner...Except the bandwagon you jumped on had a bad wheel :lol:
Nice try, but again, finding holes in the zone isn't the only thing Meier has. He has better hands, better natural instincts, better overall football skills. I don't know why you can't admit that, but then again, you're a blind K-State homer who actually thinks last year was the worst year ever for the Big 12 North because K-State wasn't at the top of the division. News flash: K-State hasn't done sh*t in the North division since '03, and your school is a traditional loser. Your school was the first program to reach 500 losses. You have no tradition outside of a 10-year span. Aside from that, look at the Big 12 North in '04-'06. The North winner didn't go 7-1 in conference, let alone finish top 5 in the country. Let alone have two teams competing for a spot in the BCS National Championship.
As for calling me a bandwagoner, there's another good laugh. I actually like many posters on this site, and I came here to vent after my Jayhawks lost back-to-back games to Nebraska and Texas. I still believe Mangino is slightly overpaid. However, I will never stop cheering for ku. I will never cheer against my 'hawks. You have a very twisted view of reality, and I think it's sad that you can't see things from someone else's perspective.
Look, later I will go and highlight each and every reason why ku is more talented. I will use statistics, detailed examples, and recruiting info. If you still can't see where I'm coming from after that, then nothing will open your eyes.
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Look, later I will go and highlight each and every reason why ku is more talented. I will use statistics, detailed examples, and recruiting info. If you still can't see where I'm coming from after that, then nothing will open your eyes.
Go to class you putz. I am sure Mangino appreciates you defending his team to the core.
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Like I said BmW...To me this discussion is over. The only and best response you have is Kerry Meier's Talent? Kerry knows the offense in and out. He survives by settling into zones in your spread offense. If you knew anything about Football you would know this for sure. Kerry isn't very slow he plays pretty fast actually, because he knows where he is going and it allows him to use all of his speed. But, he is not talented. He is a QB that moved to WR which a lot of QBs have success with because they know the offense and what the qb should be thinking. With that they have lot of trust from QB and he HC, that they will know where they need to be. This is especially important in a spread. You must be a complete retard, because you are still talking about Big12 rankings as a barometer for measuring talent. Still after the entire board has told you that doesnt measure talent. But I guess I'm the complete moron...
As if it doesn't get any worse, you add a P.S. stating that 2007 wasn't the worst year in the North Division. The same year perennial North leaders KSU, Neb, CU were all down. HOw do you think Mizzou and ku ended in the top. At the same time MU gets there ass blown out by OU in the championship, one of the least competitive ever. And you guys go and beat the ACC champion, in the worst season of that Conference in the Orange Bowl. Then you wonder why you dont repeat this year... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BMW you are hilarious! And last thing. It's not called wearing your heart on your sleeve when you come to a rival teams message board and bash your team. It called being a bandwagoner...Except the bandwagon you jumped on had a bad wheel :lol:
Nice try, but again, finding holes in the zone isn't the only thing Meier has. He has better hands, better natural instincts, better overall football skills. I don't know why you can't admit that, but then again, you're a blind K-State homer who actually thinks last year was the worst year ever for the Big 12 North because K-State wasn't at the top of the division. News flash: K-State hasn't done sh*t in the North division since '03, and your school is a traditional loser. Your school was the first program to reach 500 losses. You have no tradition outside of a 10-year span. Aside from that, look at the Big 12 North in '04-'06. The North winner didn't go 7-1 in conference, let alone finish top 5 in the country. Let alone have two teams competing for a spot in the BCS National Championship.
As for calling me a bandwagoner, there's another good laugh. I actually like many posters on this site, and I came here to vent after my Jayhawks lost back-to-back games to Nebraska and Texas. I still believe Mangino is slightly overpaid. However, I will never stop cheering for ku. I will never cheer against my 'hawks. You have a very twisted view of reality, and I think it's sad that you can't see things from someone else's perspective.
Look, later I will go and highlight each and every reason why ku is more talented. I will use statistics, detailed examples, and recruiting info. If you still can't see where I'm coming from after that, then nothing will open your eyes.
I am seriously considering 'mercy' banning old Benny for his own protection. Ben you call out Terry, he pwns you everytime he posts a reply to your inane posts and yet you come back for more !
Seek help ! I'm serious. Seek help !
BTW, on the mercy banning, I'm too classless to to stop you from making even more of an ass of yourself in this thread or elsewhere on these boards...
:Pool: <---Ben is the smiley face and TP is the cue stick.
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Like I said BmW...To me this discussion is over. The only and best response you have is Kerry Meier's Talent? Kerry knows the offense in and out. He survives by settling into zones in your spread offense. If you knew anything about Football you would know this for sure. Kerry isn't very slow he plays pretty fast actually, because he knows where he is going and it allows him to use all of his speed. But, he is not talented. He is a QB that moved to WR which a lot of QBs have success with because they know the offense and what the qb should be thinking. With that they have lot of trust from QB and he HC, that they will know where they need to be. This is especially important in a spread. You must be a complete retard, because you are still talking about Big12 rankings as a barometer for measuring talent. Still after the entire board has told you that doesnt measure talent. But I guess I'm the complete moron...
As if it doesn't get any worse, you add a P.S. stating that 2007 wasn't the worst year in the North Division. The same year perennial North leaders KSU, Neb, CU were all down. HOw do you think Mizzou and ku ended in the top. At the same time MU gets there ass blown out by OU in the championship, one of the least competitive ever. And you guys go and beat the ACC champion, in the worst season of that Conference in the Orange Bowl. Then you wonder why you dont repeat this year... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BMW you are hilarious! And last thing. It's not called wearing your heart on your sleeve when you come to a rival teams message board and bash your team. It called being a bandwagoner...Except the bandwagon you jumped on had a bad wheel :lol:
Nice try, but again, finding holes in the zone isn't the only thing Meier has. He has better hands, better natural instincts, better overall football skills. I don't know why you can't admit that, but then again, you're a blind K-State homer who actually thinks last year was the worst year ever for the Big 12 North because K-State wasn't at the top of the division. News flash: K-State hasn't done sh*t in the North division since '03, and your school is a traditional loser. Your school was the first program to reach 500 losses. You have no tradition outside of a 10-year span. Aside from that, look at the Big 12 North in '04-'06. The North winner didn't go 7-1 in conference, let alone finish top 5 in the country. Let alone have two teams competing for a spot in the BCS National Championship.
As for calling me a bandwagoner, there's another good laugh. I actually like many posters on this site, and I came here to vent after my Jayhawks lost back-to-back games to Nebraska and Texas. I still believe Mangino is slightly overpaid. However, I will never stop cheering for ku. I will never cheer against my 'hawks. You have a very twisted view of reality, and I think it's sad that you can't see things from someone else's perspective.
Look, later I will go and highlight each and every reason why ku is more talented. I will use statistics, detailed examples, and recruiting info. If you still can't see where I'm coming from after that, then nothing will open your eyes.
I am seriously considering 'mercy' banning old Benny for his own protection. Ben you call out Terry, he pwns you everytime he posts a reply to your inane posts and yet you come back for more !
Seek help ! I'm serious. Seek help !
BTW, on the mercy banning, I'm too classless to to stop you from making even more of an ass of yourself in this thread or elsewhere on these boards...
:Pool: <---Ben is the smiley face and TP is the cue stick.
It's really surprising that you hang from TP's nut sack like that, but once again, I'm right. You guys are wrong. 52-21.
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Like I said BmW...To me this discussion is over. The only and best response you have is Kerry Meier's Talent? Kerry knows the offense in and out. He survives by settling into zones in your spread offense. If you knew anything about Football you would know this for sure. Kerry isn't very slow he plays pretty fast actually, because he knows where he is going and it allows him to use all of his speed. But, he is not talented. He is a QB that moved to WR which a lot of QBs have success with because they know the offense and what the qb should be thinking. With that they have lot of trust from QB and he HC, that they will know where they need to be. This is especially important in a spread. You must be a complete retard, because you are still talking about Big12 rankings as a barometer for measuring talent. Still after the entire board has told you that doesnt measure talent. But I guess I'm the complete moron...
As if it doesn't get any worse, you add a P.S. stating that 2007 wasn't the worst year in the North Division. The same year perennial North leaders KSU, Neb, CU were all down. HOw do you think Mizzou and ku ended in the top. At the same time MU gets there ass blown out by OU in the championship, one of the least competitive ever. And you guys go and beat the ACC champion, in the worst season of that Conference in the Orange Bowl. Then you wonder why you dont repeat this year... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BMW you are hilarious! And last thing. It's not called wearing your heart on your sleeve when you come to a rival teams message board and bash your team. It called being a bandwagoner...Except the bandwagon you jumped on had a bad wheel :lol:
Nice try, but again, finding holes in the zone isn't the only thing Meier has. He has better hands, better natural instincts, better overall football skills. I don't know why you can't admit that, but then again, you're a blind K-State homer who actually thinks last year was the worst year ever for the Big 12 North because K-State wasn't at the top of the division. News flash: K-State hasn't done sh*t in the North division since '03, and your school is a traditional loser. Your school was the first program to reach 500 losses. You have no tradition outside of a 10-year span. Aside from that, look at the Big 12 North in '04-'06. The North winner didn't go 7-1 in conference, let alone finish top 5 in the country. Let alone have two teams competing for a spot in the BCS National Championship.
As for calling me a bandwagoner, there's another good laugh. I actually like many posters on this site, and I came here to vent after my Jayhawks lost back-to-back games to Nebraska and Texas. I still believe Mangino is slightly overpaid. However, I will never stop cheering for ku. I will never cheer against my 'hawks. You have a very twisted view of reality, and I think it's sad that you can't see things from someone else's perspective.
Look, later I will go and highlight each and every reason why ku is more talented. I will use statistics, detailed examples, and recruiting info. If you still can't see where I'm coming from after that, then nothing will open your eyes.
I am seriously considering 'mercy' banning old Benny for his own protection. Ben you call out Terry, he pwns you everytime he posts a reply to your inane posts and yet you come back for more !
Seek help ! I'm serious. Seek help !
BTW, on the mercy banning, I'm too classless to to stop you from making even more of an ass of yourself in this thread or elsewhere on these boards...
:Pool: <---Ben is the smiley face and TP is the cue stick.
It's really surprising that you hang from TP's nut sack like that, but once again, I'm right. You guys are wrong. 52-21.
I'm sorry if the truth hurts, Ben. You'll be a better person for accepting it.
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Like I said BmW...To me this discussion is over. The only and best response you have is Kerry Meier's Talent? Kerry knows the offense in and out. He survives by settling into zones in your spread offense. If you knew anything about Football you would know this for sure. Kerry isn't very slow he plays pretty fast actually, because he knows where he is going and it allows him to use all of his speed. But, he is not talented. He is a QB that moved to WR which a lot of QBs have success with because they know the offense and what the qb should be thinking. With that they have lot of trust from QB and he HC, that they will know where they need to be. This is especially important in a spread. You must be a complete retard, because you are still talking about Big12 rankings as a barometer for measuring talent. Still after the entire board has told you that doesnt measure talent. But I guess I'm the complete moron...
As if it doesn't get any worse, you add a P.S. stating that 2007 wasn't the worst year in the North Division. The same year perennial North leaders KSU, Neb, CU were all down. HOw do you think Mizzou and ku ended in the top. At the same time MU gets there ass blown out by OU in the championship, one of the least competitive ever. And you guys go and beat the ACC champion, in the worst season of that Conference in the Orange Bowl. Then you wonder why you dont repeat this year... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BMW you are hilarious! And last thing. It's not called wearing your heart on your sleeve when you come to a rival teams message board and bash your team. It called being a bandwagoner...Except the bandwagon you jumped on had a bad wheel :lol:
Nice try, but again, finding holes in the zone isn't the only thing Meier has. He has better hands, better natural instincts, better overall football skills. I don't know why you can't admit that, but then again, you're a blind K-State homer who actually thinks last year was the worst year ever for the Big 12 North because K-State wasn't at the top of the division. News flash: K-State hasn't done sh*t in the North division since '03, and your school is a traditional loser. Your school was the first program to reach 500 losses. You have no tradition outside of a 10-year span. Aside from that, look at the Big 12 North in '04-'06. The North winner didn't go 7-1 in conference, let alone finish top 5 in the country. Let alone have two teams competing for a spot in the BCS National Championship.
As for calling me a bandwagoner, there's another good laugh. I actually like many posters on this site, and I came here to vent after my Jayhawks lost back-to-back games to Nebraska and Texas. I still believe Mangino is slightly overpaid. However, I will never stop cheering for ku. I will never cheer against my 'hawks. You have a very twisted view of reality, and I think it's sad that you can't see things from someone else's perspective.
Look, later I will go and highlight each and every reason why ku is more talented. I will use statistics, detailed examples, and recruiting info. If you still can't see where I'm coming from after that, then nothing will open your eyes.
I am seriously considering 'mercy' banning old Benny for his own protection. Ben you call out Terry, he pwns you everytime he posts a reply to your inane posts and yet you come back for more !
Seek help ! I'm serious. Seek help !
BTW, on the mercy banning, I'm too classless to to stop you from making even more of an ass of yourself in this thread or elsewhere on these boards...
:Pool: <---Ben is the smiley face and TP is the cue stick.
It's really surprising that you hang from TP's nut sack like that, but once again, I'm right. You guys are wrong. 52-21.
It's not like he actually played the game or anything.
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I just want to sit back and admire this.
On one side; a ku frat boy pissant. On the other side; a former D1 football player, the Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year, an Academic All Big 12 team member, and a 2nd round NFL draft pick.
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Mr. Pierce, you are beyond delusional.
How many 12-win seasons did you guys have? ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.
You do realize BMW that it used to be an 11 game regular season....or do you honestly believe that given an extra cream puff opponent (like ku's 07 non-con) KSU teams in 97, 98, 99 wouldn't have won an extra game pushing their win total to 12. What a ridiculously stupid comment.
And for the record.....you can NEVER.....EVER....try and compare a ku 07 team that wasn't good enough to win its own division outright to teams that either won their division or won their conference. You lost to the only big 12 team you played with a pulse last year. You did not have the opportunity to play for your own conference title....yet you want to compare that team to KSU teams in 98, 2000, and 2003 that earned that right and in one case was the best the conference had to offer. You want to compare ku 07 to a team that wiped the floor with an OU squad that the computers and voters placed in the national title game. You want to compare ku 07 to a 98 KSU team that actually did win all of their games in the regular season...that got it done on the field...that earned the right to play for their conference championship. You want to compare ku 07 to a 2002 KSU squad that soundly beat an Orange Bowl winning USC squad....with a heisman trophy qb. That USC team's "talent" would run circles around the product Va. Tech put on the field last January.
Seriously BMW. Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. I personally agree with you that ku 08 has more "talent" than KSU 08...but your posts about how great your 07 squad was are just terrible.
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
I think you make a good point- wtf kind of talent are people arguing about here? But if you read between the not so narrow lines, it's obvious that TP thinks a lot of ku's success last year comes from a weak schedule and players who are benefitting from their individual roles in Mangino's system. Indirectly, he's complimenting ku's coaching staff, by attributing your player's and team's success with Mangino. What would you rather have, a 2 year talented pothead like Talib, or a staff that can turn above average athletes like Meier into winners of college football games year in and year out? Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
And FWIW, no one here is above being questioned, and BMW should feel free to fire away at TP without fear of being banned. Some of you posters are on TP's nuts like ants on candy, which is understandable in an EMAW type of way, but because of his connection to K-State he undoubtably carries more homerism that a lot of us.
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
Obvious set-up aside, what, exactly, makes you so sure of this? I'm not saying he's a lock for NFL stardom or anything, but a 6'3", 220 lb. athlete of his caliber, with his hands, will get a long, hard look.
Derek Fine has started a couple of games at TE this year for the Bills, as a rookie, and he's doing exceedingly well. I'm not sure there were many folks who thought he was capable of playing in the league either.
Kerry's injury history could keep him out, but I think an absolute "He won't succeed at the NFL level" is silly.
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Forum bet: 1,000 ksufans.com points on the line- Meier and Nick Reid share drive thru window duties at the Hays Wendy's within 2 years.
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added- props on defending golden boy 2 and ignoring the rest of the post. i'd do the same thing after last weekend. :jerkoff:
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I just want to sit back and admire this.
On one side; a ku frat boy pissant. On the other side; a former D1 football player, the Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year, an Academic All Big 12 team member, and a 2nd round NFL draft pick.
That's the beauty of message boards. I can argue with a guy who I greatly respect as far as his football talent and as a human being, but who I fundamentally disagree with on certain issues. Mike Leach never played college football, but he's a hell of a football coach. Just because I wasn't out there making tackles doesn't mean I can't have an opinion or be right about certain things.
Reverse the roles, 'Pad... imagine a ku fan tryin to convince K-State fans that after losing 52-21, ku was just as talented. That ku fan would be crucified and called moron. There's a double standard at play here, and instead of K-State fans using their own common sense, you're resorting to personal attacks and blind homerism.
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
Obvious set-up aside, what, exactly, makes you so sure of this? I'm not saying he's a lock for NFL stardom or anything, but a 6'3", 220 lb. athlete of his caliber, with his hands, will get a long, hard look.
Derek Fine has started a couple of games at TE this year for the Bills, as a rookie, and he's doing exceedingly well. I'm not sure there were many folks who thought he was capable of playing in the league either.
Kerry's injury history could keep him out, but I think an absolute "He won't succeed at the NFL level" is silly.
I dont know Kerry's speed but I can tell you that GM's are going to pass on him just because he has only been there for two years now. There are more talented (here we go again) then Kerry Meier out there for NFL gm's to draft. Now thats not saying he wont get a shot but what role would he play, dont think he is tough enough to be a Dallas Clark. He defenitly isnt a number one type reciever, and the only role I can see him in is something like Gonzalez from OSU. He will defenitly get a shot just like Pat White will but I dont think either will make it. I hope they prove me wrong.
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
Obvious set-up aside, what, exactly, makes you so sure of this? I'm not saying he's a lock for NFL stardom or anything, but a 6'3", 220 lb. athlete of his caliber, with his hands, will get a long, hard look.
Derek Fine has started a couple of games at TE this year for the Bills, as a rookie, and he's doing exceedingly well. I'm not sure there were many folks who thought he was capable of playing in the league either.
Kerry's injury history could keep him out, but I think an absolute "He won't succeed at the NFL level" is silly.
I dont know Kerry's speed but I can tell you that GM's are going to pass on him just because he has only been there for two years now. There are more talented (here we go again) then Kerry Meier out there for NFL gm's to draft. Now thats not saying he wont get a shot but what role would he play, dont think he is tough enough to be a Dallas Clark. He defenitly isnt a number one type reciever, and the only role I can see him in is something like Gonzalez from OSU. He will defenitly get a shot just like Pat White will but I dont think either will make it. I hope they prove me wrong.
Meier's only a reshirt-junior. He has another season to improve and gain more experience at the position. He'll definitely get a shot in the NFL.
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added- props on defending golden boy 2 and ignoring the rest of the post. i'd do the same thing after last weekend. :jerkoff:
The rest of your post contained nothing of interest to me, clams. Sorry. :ohno:
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
Obvious set-up aside, what, exactly, makes you so sure of this? I'm not saying he's a lock for NFL stardom or anything, but a 6'3", 220 lb. athlete of his caliber, with his hands, will get a long, hard look.
Derek Fine has started a couple of games at TE this year for the Bills, as a rookie, and he's doing exceedingly well. I'm not sure there were many folks who thought he was capable of playing in the league either.
Kerry's injury history could keep him out, but I think an absolute "He won't succeed at the NFL level" is silly.
I dont know Kerry's speed but I can tell you that GM's are going to pass on him just because he has only been there for two years now. There are more talented (here we go again) then Kerry Meier out there for NFL gm's to draft. Now thats not saying he wont get a shot but what role would he play, dont think he is tough enough to be a Dallas Clark. He defenitly isnt a number one type reciever, and the only role I can see him in is something like Gonzalez from OSU. He will defenitly get a shot just like Pat White will but I dont think either will make it. I hope they prove me wrong.
Meier's only a reshirt-junior. He has another season to improve and gain more experience at the position. He'll definitely get a shot in the NFL.
Sooooooooooooooo.... you just took what I said and added a sentence????? :thumbsup: READ THE POST, I said he would get a shot. Lets be honest he isnt an NFL athlete, sorry!
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NFLDraftScout.com has him listed currently as the #17 WR in the 2010 NFL Draft, FWIW.
His career may not be more productive than Nick Reid's, but I don't get the point of speaking in absolutes. He's going to get a shot, and not as a UFA.
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NFLDraftScout.com has him listed currently as the #17 WR in the 2010 NFL Draft, FWIW.
His career may not be more productive than Nick Reid's, but I don't get the point of speaking in absolutes. He's going to get a shot, and not as a UFA.
I was never bashing Meier, I just dont think he is going to be a good reciever in the NFL. I HOPE HE GETS A GREAT CHANCE! :banghead:
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
Obvious set-up aside, what, exactly, makes you so sure of this? I'm not saying he's a lock for NFL stardom or anything, but a 6'3", 220 lb. athlete of his caliber, with his hands, will get a long, hard look.
Derek Fine has started a couple of games at TE this year for the Bills, as a rookie, and he's doing exceedingly well. I'm not sure there were many folks who thought he was capable of playing in the league either.
Kerry's injury history could keep him out, but I think an absolute "He won't succeed at the NFL level" is silly.
I dont know Kerry's speed but I can tell you that GM's are going to pass on him just because he has only been there for two years now. There are more talented (here we go again) then Kerry Meier out there for NFL gm's to draft. Now thats not saying he wont get a shot but what role would he play, dont think he is tough enough to be a Dallas Clark. He defenitly isnt a number one type reciever, and the only role I can see him in is something like Gonzalez from OSU. He will defenitly get a shot just like Pat White will but I dont think either will make it. I hope they prove me wrong.
Meier's only a reshirt-junior. He has another season to improve and gain more experience at the position. He'll definitely get a shot in the NFL.
Sooooooooooooooo.... you just took what I said and added a sentence????? :thumbsup: READ THE POST, I said he would get a shot. Lets be honest he isnt an NFL athlete, sorry!
First of all, you said Meier had only played the position two years, implying this was his last season. Next, you haven't been watching much ku football if you don't think Meier is a good athlete. He's got good speed and good size for an NFL tight end/possession receiver. Derek Fine is playing a lot for the Buffalo Bills, and Meier is both faster and more athletic than Fine.
Once again, K-State fans are letting their bias get in the way of common sense.
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NFLDraftScout.com has him listed currently as the #17 WR in the 2010 NFL Draft, FWIW.
His career may not be more productive than Nick Reid's, but I don't get the point of speaking in absolutes. He's going to get a shot, and not as a UFA.
I was never bashing Meier, I just dont think he is going to be a good reciever in the NFL. I HOPE HE GETS A GREAT CHANCE! :banghead:
Wasn't responding to you directly. Just putting a little more information out there.
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I still don't understand what constitutes "talent," as it pertains to this discussion. Kerry Meier isn't talented? By what measure? He's big, a great overall athlete, and has outstanding hands – to say nothing of his natural understanding of the game of football. He's a likely NFL draft pick after next season. Does the NFL draft kids that don't have talent?
Meier won't succeed at the NFL level, even your most crimson colored glasses should allow you to see that, but he sure played a big role in beating MU last Saturday.
Obvious set-up aside, what, exactly, makes you so sure of this? I'm not saying he's a lock for NFL stardom or anything, but a 6'3", 220 lb. athlete of his caliber, with his hands, will get a long, hard look.
Derek Fine has started a couple of games at TE this year for the Bills, as a rookie, and he's doing exceedingly well. I'm not sure there were many folks who thought he was capable of playing in the league either.
Kerry's injury history could keep him out, but I think an absolute "He won't succeed at the NFL level" is silly.
I dont know Kerry's speed but I can tell you that GM's are going to pass on him just because he has only been there for two years now. There are more talented (here we go again) then Kerry Meier out there for NFL gm's to draft. Now thats not saying he wont get a shot but what role would he play, dont think he is tough enough to be a Dallas Clark. He defenitly isnt a number one type reciever, and the only role I can see him in is something like Gonzalez from OSU. He will defenitly get a shot just like Pat White will but I dont think either will make it. I hope they prove me wrong.
Meier's only a reshirt-junior. He has another season to improve and gain more experience at the position. He'll definitely get a shot in the NFL.
Sooooooooooooooo.... you just took what I said and added a sentence????? :thumbsup: READ THE POST, I said he would get a shot. Lets be honest he isnt an NFL athlete, sorry!
First of all, you said Meier had only played the position two years, implying this was his last season. Next, you haven't been watching much ku football if you don't think Meier is a good athlete. He's got good speed and good size for an NFL tight end/possession receiver. Derek Fine is playing a lot for the Buffalo Bills, and Meier is both faster and more athletic than Fine.
Once again, K-State fans are letting their bias get in the way of common sense.
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The rest of your post contained nothing of interest to me, Pitt. Sorry. :lol:
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The rest of your post contained nothing of interest to me, Pitt. Sorry. :lol:
Haha, why are you apologizing? I'm not the one crying about your failure to respond to my posts.
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I just want to sit back and admire this.
On one side; a ku frat boy pissant. On the other side; a former D1 football player, the Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year, an Academic All Big 12 team member, and a 2nd round NFL draft pick.
PROVE ME WRONG and I can possibly see things your way.
I don't see how it's possible for someone to prove you wrong here. Not only is the concept of "talent" completely open to interpretation and different definitions, but you've failed to provide your baseline definition of the term. Until I know, specifically, what you're talking about when you're evaluating a player's talent, it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
Is it simply athleticism?
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Just to clarify, I'm not interested in the Webster's definition of the term. As you yourself said, "talent" is entirely subjective. In order to have a discussion on your terms, I need to know what your personal definition is.
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I just want to sit back and admire this.
On one side; a ku frat boy pissant. On the other side; a former D1 football player, the Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year, an Academic All Big 12 team member, and a 2nd round NFL draft pick.
That's the beauty of message boards. I can argue with a guy who I greatly respect as far as his football talent and as a human being, but who I fundamentally disagree with on certain issues. Mike Leach never played college football, but he's a hell of a football coach. Just because I wasn't out there making tackles doesn't mean I can't have an opinion or be right about certain things.
Reverse the roles, 'Pad... imagine a ku fan tryin to convince K-State fans that after losing 52-21, ku was just as talented. That ku fan would be crucified and called moron. There's a double standard at play here, and instead of K-State fans using their own common sense, you're resorting to personal attacks and blind homerism.
Here's whats amazing to me...Everyone says that I'm arguing with a bias, when I have asked several times for BMW to prove me wrong. I think we forget that he called me out. I am looking at this from a pure talent based level. OK, Meier has been productive, but I-not U, believe it comes more from his football knowledge and the type of defense that must be played vs. the spread. I still hadn't seen him beat guys one-on-one, something talented guys do. I keep being called a homer when credit has been given to the success of ku players, which I attribute more to great coaching and the ability to their individual jobs within their offense, not talent. I am explaining where I am coming from. BMW says that the board is resorting to personal attacks, yet when he is proved wrong he calls me moron, ridiculous, homer and many others without ever proving me wrong. Even when he says that he will comeback with research, he still says he will come back with STATS, RECRUITING INFO, and Specific examples. When I have been asking for specific examples this entire thread. Stats and recruiting info mean jack to me as far as talent. A more talented receiver can play for a running team and not have the stats to match up. A more talented guy can have less stars than another guy and still be more talented. Even worse, you made the comment BMW, that ku was more talented and you are just now going to find specific examples. No one ever said ku was not a good TEAM. EVER. I did say ku 07 was not as good as they think, and still stand by that statement. Meier doesnt have to be the most talented to do well in the nFL which is exactly my point. He just like everyone else would need a team that asks him to do good at what he does well, like find the hole in the zone based on the coverage. I can guarantee you that he will not be asked to beat guys 1 on 1.
I believe you guys are letting your bias get in the way. It's understandable because you are proud of your team but that you shouldn't overlook when the discussion was about to begin with. I would make the same argument with any two teams that I have watched closely. But it's my opinion. Dont get pissed because you cant prove it.
ku ranks 23 in total offense and KSU ranks 35 . Total Defense ku ranks 95 and KSU ranks 117 These are the facts about the stats. You mean to tell me with a better coach KSU couldnt move from 35 to 23 or 117 to 95. This is the reason why I say what you guys believe is a talent difference is really a difference in coaching. PROVE ME WRONG and I can possibly see things your way. You cant believe that you or your friends have done that up to this point... :nahnah:
It seems to me BMW and his buddies get pissed at me disagreeing with them, not the other way around. But, getting pissed is not the way for you to prove yourself when someone disagrees. Continuing to ask me what is talent after I posted the Websters definition. The talent of a guy would be exactly what you perceive the talent to be and is very subjective. I have only asked for proof. He gave me one with Meier. One. Which I disagreed with and gave the reason why.
Terry, I think most of this argument is based on two different interpretations of the word "talent." I believe talent is more than just athletic ability. I think there's an inherent "it" factor with some players that allows them to consistently make the big play and be in the right place at the right time. I think ku has more of those types of players than K-State. I also believe that ku has more potential NFL prospects than K-State. I agree with you that ku is more well-coached under than Mangino than K-State was under Ron Prince. Where I disagree, and I think others disagree as well, is that K-State's recruiting classes and current group of players are on par with ku.
I apologize for some of the harsh words, and I don't mean it literally in the sense that you're a "moron." I just find certain arguments that you make "moronic," such as your argument that K-State's receivers and d-line are better than ku's. I think it's "ridiculous" when you say that '07 was the worst year ever for the Big 12 North. I'm criticizing your statements, not you as a person. I have a high amount of respect for anyone who has played football at the high D-1 level. I'm sorry to call you out like this, but I really wanted to know why someone with such football knowledge, such as yourself, would honestly believe K-State and ku were even in talent level.
In the ku vs. K-State game, ku outrushed K-State, ~ 280 to ~ 90. To me, that showed a correlation between each team's o-line and d-line. When I watched the game, to me, it looked like ku dominated both lines of scrimmage. Watching the ku/K-State game as someone who has never played college football, ku looked to have a more physical, more deep, overall more talented football team. I've seen K-State fans consistently say that Freeman is more talented than Reesing. On a purely physical standpoint, that's true. On a purely skill and talent standpoint, that's ridiculous. Look at the numbers. They don't lie. Freeman, against ku, has had something like 1 TD and 13 TO's. That's a fact.
I haven't even talked about Dezmon Briscoe yet. The guy's only a true sophomore, and he has already broken ku's all-time record for receiving yards and receiving TD's. This is a kid who came from a high school program (Cedar Hill) that went 16-0 his senior year. He had offers to Mizzou, Iowa, and Oklahoma State. He's a finesse receiver who can beat you down field or he can beat you underneath. There's not a single player on K-State's team as dynamic and as difficult to defend as Dezmon Briscoe.
Finally, let's talk depth. There are two huge differences between ku and K-State: (1) recruiting high school prospects vs Juco prospects, and (2) in-state recruiting and establishing Texas pipelines. ku is prioritizing high school prospects, while winning most of the in-state recruiting battles vs. K-State. ku is also getting a nice pipeline going through Dallas and other parts of Texas. Here's an example of the last two recruiting classes for ku and K-State (Jucos in bold):
ku:
'07:
Isiah Barfield ATH 6-0 175 - 5.4 Haven, KS
Dezmon Briscoe WR 6-2 180 4.7 5.5 Cedar Hill, TX
Anthony Davis DB 5-11 184 4.5 5.5 Tulsa, OK
Patrick Dorsey DT 5-11 263 5.22 5.5 Houston, TX
Drew Dudley LB 6-2 212 4.6 5.5 College Station, TX
Steven Foster RB 6-3 230 4.68 5.5 Sedgwick, KS
Kendrick Harper DB 5-10 187 4.45 5.5 El Dorado, KS
Chris Harris ATH 6-0 180 4.4 5.2 Bixby, OK
Chet Hartley OL 6-4 310 5.07 5.6 El Dorado, KS
Jeremiah Hatch OL 6-3 301 - 5.5 Dallas, TX
Richard Johnson Jr. DE 6-4 255 5 5.6 Jefferson City, MO
Jake Laptad DE 6-4 215 - 5.2 Jenks, OK
Rell Lewis ATH 5-10 180 4.5 5.5 Muskogee, OK
Ryan Murphy DB 5-10 171 4.4 5.8 Lawrence, KS
Patrick Resby DB 6-2 195 - 5.7 Corsicana, TX
Jeff Spikes OL 6-5 316 5.77 5.2 Painesville, OH
Justin Springer LB 6-4 220 - 5.5 Los Fresnos, TX
A.J. Steward QB 6-4 210 4.6 5.4 St. Louis, MO
Johnathan Wilson WR 6-3 185 4.6 5.2 Houston, TX
'08:
Tim Biere TE 6-4 226 4.8 5.7 Omaha, NE
Greg Brown DB 5-11 164 - 5.6 Cedar Hill, TX
Jocques Crawford RB 6-1 220 4.55 5.9 Cisco, TX
Nathan D'Cunha OL 6-7 307 - 5.8 Santa Barbara, CA
Rod Harris WR 6-2 190 4.5 5.6 Brenham, TX
Tanner Hawkinson TE 6-6 230 4.8 5.7 McPherson, KS
Ben Lueken OL 6-5 318 5.1 5.5 St. Louis, MO
Trevor Marrongelli OL 6-4 285 5.1 5.5 Round Rock, TX
D.J. Marshall DE 6-4 230 4.75 5.6 Mesquite, TX
Darius Parish DT 6-3 325 5.08 5.5 Wichita, KS
Daymond Patterson WR 5-8 165 4.43 5.7 Mesquite, TX
Kale Pick QB 6-1 198 4.5 5.6 Dodge City, KS
Nicholas Plato DE 6-6 228 4.82 5.5 Edwardsville, IL
Corrigan Powell DB 5-10 161 4.5 5.5 Garland, TX
Sean Ransburg ATH 6-1 185 4.5 5.5 Harrisonville, MO
Josh Richardson LB 6-4 195 4.45 5.5 Dublin, OH
Alonso Rojas K 6-3 195 - 5.5 Miami, FL
Lubbock Smith DB 5-11 182 4.4 5.6 Dallas, TX
John Williams OL 6-4 335 - 5.7 Tulsa, OK
Duane Zlatnik DE 6-4 260 - 5.6 Rossville, KS
K-State:
'07:
Mike Abana DT 6-6 290 - 5.5 Santa Monica, CA
Corey Adams OL 6-4 235 - 5.2 Monument, CO
Alesana Alesana OL 6-6 318 - 5.6 San Francisco, CA
Clyde Aufner OL 6-7 260 - 5.6 Peculiar, MO
Demetrius Bell RB 5-8 158 4.4 5.4 Olathe, KS
Lamark Brown ATH 6-3 215 4.55 6.0 St. Louis, MO
Gary Chandler DB 5-11 186 4.43 6.0 Coffeyville, KS
Josh Cherry K 6-1 170 4.8 5.5 McCook, NE
Kaleb Drinkgern OL 6-7 260 4.9 5.2 Marysville, KS
Colten Freeze OL 6-6 270 5.1 5.4 Liberty, MO
Raphael Guidry DE 6-4 245 4.7 5.4 La Marque, TX
Brian Harris LB 6-4 220 4.6 5.3 East St. Louis, IL
Tysyn Hartman ATH 6-3 191 4.65 5.5 Wichita, KS
Reggie Haynes DB 6-1 170 4.65 5.3 Apopka, FL
Danny Hogan WR 6-2 185 4.4 5.4 Dallas, TX
Payton Kirk DE 6-5 250 4.8 5.3 Liberty, MO
Ben Liu OL 6-6 325 5.2 5.5 Sacramento, CA
Kendrick Matthews DB 5-11 180 4.5 5.4 Missouri City, TX
Jerrell McDaniel WR 6-1 185 4.5 5.5 East St. Louis, IL
Deon Murphy ATH 5-10 165 4.36 5.6 Coffeyville, KS
Ernie Pierce WR 6-4 215 4.5 5.6 Santa Barbara, CA
Jake Roepke OL 6-7 298 5.1 5.1 Hoyt, KS
Kevin Rohleder LB 6-1 205 4.4 5.5 Wichita, KS
Eldridge Sims OL 6-6 288 5.1 5.5 Compton, CA
Xzavier Stewart DT 6-1 260 4.7 5.2 Chicago, IL
Dahrnaz Tigner DB 6-3 210 4.5 5.0 Pampano Beach, FL
Brandon Walls LB 6-0 205 4.49 5.6 Irving, TX
Justin Woods DB 5-10 180 4.3 5.5 Shawnee, KS
'08:
Brandon Banks WR 5-8 160 4.4 5.6 Bakersfield, CA
Dustin Bell DB 6-0 180 4.45 5.6 Bakersfield, CA
Josh Berard LB 6-2 220 4.7 5.6 Torrance, CA
Daniel Calvin DT 6-3 322 4.9 5.9 Bakersfield, CA
Jarell Childs RB 6-3 216 4.5 5.4 Kansas City, MO
William Cooper OL 6-5 260 - 5.3 Hayti, MO
Logan Dold ATH 6-1 200 4.54 5.6 Garden Plain, KS
Ethan Douglas OL 6-6 285 - 5.3 Basehor, KS
Antonio Felder DE 6-3 245 4.5 5.6 El Dorado, KS
John Finau DT 6-1 295 5 5.6 Torrance, CA
Zach Hanson OL 6-8 310 - - Sacramento, CA
Brandon Harold DE 6-5 260 - 5.6 East St. Louis, IL
Jack Hayes DE 6-4 255 - 5.4 Perkinston, MS
Adrian Hilburn WR 6-2 190 4.4 5.7 San Francisco, CA
Blair Irvin DB 5-11 185 4.4 5.6 Coffeyville, KS
Joseph Kassanavoid ATH 6-6 215 4.7 5.5 Lawson, MO
Collin Klein QB 6-4 202 4.65 5.6 Loveland, CO
Billy McClellan DB 5-9 180 4.4 5.5 Wilmington, CA
George Pierson K 6-0 180 - 5.4 Tyler, TX
Ulla Pomele LB 6-1 235 - 5.8 Santa Rosa, CA
Edward Prince OL 6-5 280 4.8 5.6 Wesson, MS
Aubrey Quarles WR 6-2 190 4.4 5.9 Santa Rosa, CA
Hansen Sekona LB 6-0 230 4.6 5.6 San Mateo, CA
Attrail Snipes WR 6-1 180 4.4 5.5 Bakersfield, CA
Grant Valentine DE 6-3 240 4.5 5.6 Glendale, CA
Wade Weibert OL 6-5 300 5.12 5.6 El Dorado, KS
Braden Wilson LB 6-4 220 - 5.0 Smith Center, KS
Many of the commitments from K-State's classes didn't show up, or either transferred or quit the team. ku, meanwhile, is building depth through high school prospects. I have no doubt that the aftermath from these past two recruiting classes will come back to bite K-State. Snyder has his work cut out for him.
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The rest of your post contained nothing of interest to me, Pitt. Sorry. :lol:
Haha, why are you apologizing? I'm not the one crying about your failure to respond to my posts.
crying? simply pointing out that you have nothing. enjoy having nothing.
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I just want to sit back and admire this.
On one side; a ku frat boy pissant. On the other side; a former D1 football player, the Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year, an Academic All Big 12 team member, and a 2nd round NFL draft pick.
PROVE ME WRONG and I can possibly see things your way.
I don't see how it's possible for someone to prove you wrong here. Not only is the concept of "talent" completely open to interpretation and different definitions, but you've failed to provide your baseline definition of the term. Until I know, specifically, what you're talking about when you're evaluating a player's talent, it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
Is it simply athleticism?
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Just to clarify, I'm not interested in the Webster's definition of the term. As you yourself said, "talent" is entirely subjective. In order to have a discussion on your terms, I need to know what your personal definition is.
Hey what a smart guy! Since the term is subjective how can I give you exactly what it means?
To me talent is not only athleticism but a persons natural ability to play the game that exceeds that of a "normal" player. I try to take scheme, coaching, and overall team success away to get to the players real talent. It's like Matt Leinart and Ken Dorsey...Most normal QBs would have been good at Miami or USC at those times not because of their own talent, but because Coaching and the Talent they had around them. Take that away and you have two regular QBs, no matter what their Star rating was for Rivals.
If its athleticism to you...Explain why ku players are more athletic. I stated that the talent is what you perceive already. It is possible to prove anyone wrong with the right proof to back up your statements no matter your definition. BMW has tried to use stats, overall record, and recruiting info to prove talent. If talent is athleticism to you, explain why you believe they are more athletic. Pretty simple if you ask me. I was called out here by a guy who had nothing to back his statements up with, who obviously got excited after watching the ku MU game. Hell, I made the statement when KSU played ku. It took a win over MU for any of you to ever challenge the statement until now...
And you with all the things you're "not interested" in...Like anyone cares
Terry,
It's going to be difficult to get anyone to believe that you're not biased, or that you're interested in honest discussion, if this is how you're going to respond to a simple question.
On topic, you keep asking people to "prove you wrong," but you've set up a system where that's impossible. You say that KSU is the more talented team, but when asked to define "talent," you admit that it's entirely subjective. Okay...so how, exactly, does one go about proving you wrong?
You're relying entirely on your reputation as a former player to make the case for your expertise and authority. There's no way anyone is going to be able to reasonably argue against that, because your own stance is completely illogical – based in opinion rather than the facts that you keep harping on BMW to provide.
The difference here is that I recognize that my opinion on what defines talent can't be disproved, and therefore wouldn't expect anyone to be able to do so. It's an opinion, a take on an admittedly subjective term. There's no "proof" involved. All I can do is explain what makes me think the way that I do.
I think that talent is a combination of things. Athleticism is part of it, but so is intelligence – and not in a "book smarts" sense, but in their ability to analyze and understand the game of football. It's why I think a guy like Kerry Meier is exceedingly talented. Not only does he possess the physical tools to excel (hands, size, and speed), but he instinctively understands how to play the game. The final touchdown against Missouri is a great example. Not only did he physically beat the safety with whom he was matched up, but he possessed the wherewithal to break off his route and head upfield when the situation demanded.
I suppose I could try to breakdown the players on both sides, but I really doubt anyone is going to change the other's mind here. And that's fine. I just found it interesting that you kept asking BMW to prove, or disprove, something for which you were unwilling to provide your own definition.
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PJ, evaluating talent is very subjective, and hence, difficult job. Its why recruiters that are good at it get paid the big bucks. There are some objective measures such as 40 times, bench press numbers, etc, but there are other things that are much more difficult to quantify.
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One: 1805
Chapter I
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Chapter IV
Chapter V
Chapter VI
Chapter VII
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Chapter IX
Chapter X
Chapter XI
Chapter XII
Chapter XIII
Chapter XIV
Chapter XV
Chapter XVI
Chapter XVII
Chapter XVIII
Chapter XIX
Chapter XX
Chapter XXI
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Chapter XXIII
Chapter XXIV
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Chapter XXVI
Chapter XXVII
Chapter XXVIII
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Chapter I
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Chapter IV
Chapter V
Chapter VI
Chapter VII
Chapter VIII
Chapter IX
Chapter X
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Chapter XII
Chapter XIII
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Chapter XV
Chapter XVI
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Chapter I
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Very :kstatriot: thread.
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Seriously pitt, this is troubling coming from you. Go :crybaby: about it dude. I never once said that KSU was more talented. I said they were just as talented. He called me out because ku won a game against mizzou,and its obvious because i said that 5 or 6 weeks ago. now back to the subject...Because he called me out, I told him to prove me wrong. He went on to tell me that ku was more talented because you guys beat us 52-21, you guys beat mizzou, and he believes you guys have better guys that we hadnt seen before(recruits). Believe me dude, the crap he was talking was hardly proving that ku was more talented. And you? Why would you screw a good response up with such nonsense. "I am making it impossible for anyone to prove wrong, my stance which is completely illogical." Sounds smart but really just whining. Based on what you just described as being talented (instead of repeatedly asking, "then what is talent?"), i guess kerry meier is more talented than i thought (still not that talented though). YOu gave a good example of why I should think so. But you ruin it with all the b**chin and moanin about your own gripe that you just proved wrong
Toughen up! That was good conversation before you went booohooo'd on me... :kstatriot: had to end with that!
Honestly, Terry, I'm not even sure what half of this post means. Well done.
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this thread needs to :suicideispainless:
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
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That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
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not claiming a DoD. just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.
I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.
but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.
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That's not even close to a good comparison. ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field. Period. You never even competed for a National Championship. You had six straight 11-win seasons. Congrats. That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me. You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself.
ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years. ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season. K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke.
Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.
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Its unreal how much dumb sh*t BMW said this past year.
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Great bump. Take notes, cubs.
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lets keep this thread at the top...mods can we like pin this thread or something....i know bmw has said some really stupid stuff but this takes the cake and any time you have a retard fan calling out a former all conference player u have to pin it. i heard it is the law!!!!
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17-10
with no talent
14-4 against ku
with Snyder back just accept it ku phans.
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In BMW's defense, he did get the part right about "Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball"
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