Hey Terry Pierce...

[omahawildcat]

Hell, ku fans are celebrating this season as a success at 7-5.  Remember how pissed we were in 2001?  Well they just had our 2001 and they are celebrating.  They don't get it.

The big 12 North was 10 times more difficult in 2001 as well.

[FUKU]

I think it's funny that ku fans are talking about how much farther along they are than K-State in football when in reality, we just finished 9th in the conference and fired our coach, and they just finished 7th in the exact same conference and are celebrating like they won a championship. Kinda puts things into perspective.

[sonofdaxjones]

I think it's funny that ku fans are talking about how much farther along they are than K-State in football when in reality, we just finished 9th in the conference and fired our coach, and they just finished 7th in the exact same conference and are celebrating like they won a championship. Kinda puts things into perspective.

Hey $2.3 million a year for a 43-41 record.

[BMWJhawk]

Okay there Leawood.

Smoke and Mirrored their way to 12-1, and then when the schedule bowed up a little . . . splat . . . 5 losses. 

Just think . .  Ron Effing Prince has more wins over final Top 10 teams than Mark Mangina.   

kus' success just eats you alive huh bro.    

Quit going to the overused squawktard play book.

The fact that Mark Mangina has fewer wins over Top 10 teams than Ron Prince has got to be painful.   Last year ku's SOS was 77 at the end of the regular season . . . this year its 24 and ku losses 5 games.  

Not painful at all.  Mangino won National Coach of the Year last season while Ron Prince was struggling to go 5-7.  Thanks to Ron Prince, K-State's football program is at the bottom of the Big 12.  Talk about smoke and mirrors... those wins over Texas were complete flukes.  It's hilarious though how much that 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still eating you up inside.  ku had a damn good football team last year.  This season, everyone has a different team.  Maybe if K-State fielded a decent football team every once in a while, ku's SOS would be even higher.

[BMWJhawk]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

[catsdo]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

K-state's 1998 team would have killed ku last year.  ku hasn't even gone to a Big 12 title game.  You guys had one fluke season and finally beat a ranked team this year....Mizzou.  Before the Mizzou game you yourself wouldn't shut up about how this team couldn't beat anyone that the 2004 team couldn't beat.  One fluke win against Missouri sure changed your story around, huh?

[catdude33]

and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.

srsly?

[LimestoneOutcropping]

and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.

srsly?

Awesome. 

Most ku fans I know would settle for winning a North at least once.  This guy thinks they are Florida all of the sudden.

[cireksu]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

That 07 team sucked. Our 2001 team was still the #4 ranked Defense in the country. Your 07 team wouldnt have even scored. Best case scenario vs our 01 team with your 07 would be 0-0. Although Im sure our defense would have scored, and we would have ran the ball down your throat with that soft ass defense you guys had. You need to learn Football 101 cause ku 07 wouldnt have stood a chance against against any ksu team from 97-2003. This isn't even arguable!

It's arguable when you are in complete denial of how good we were during those years and how incredibly flukey their season was last year.

[DynastyCat]

 

[McGrowlTowelZac]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

[Brock Landers]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

Wow BMW, just......wow.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

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Actually this makes a lot of sense.  This proves BMW is really only like 8 years old.  He doesn't remember anything past 04.

[BMWJhawk]

Mr. Pierce, you are beyond delusional. 


QB:  ku >>> K-State
- Reesing is much more talented than Josh Freeman.  Not even close.  Freeman has the NFL size and that's about it.
RB:  ku >>  K-State
-  Look at what Jake Sharp did to K-State's defense.  It was a complete joke.  ku's got more depth at this position as well with Crawford and Quigley.

WR:  ku >>> K-State
- Briscoe, Meier, and Wilson are better than anything K-State puts on the field.  Banks is a midget with speed and that's about it. 

TE:  K-State >  ku

- Mastrud is pretty good, so I'll give it to K-State.  Biere will be a good player for ku though.

OL:  ku >>>> K-State

-  In the ku/K-State game, ku had 280 rushing yards to K-State's 91.  Those are facts.  Say what you want about coaching, but K-State has very little talent up front.  Your o-line got dominated up front, while ku's made it look easy.  Spikes and Hatch, the two freshman o-tackles, are getting better each week.  Mangino has done a great job of assembling talent on the o-line. 


DL:  ku >> K-State

- ku's d-line pretty much dominated K-State once again this year.  Jamal Greene, Richard Johnson, Darius Parish, and Caleb Blakesley are all very solid up front.  The d-ends have had trouble getting pressure, but Laptad and Onyegbule are both starting to come along nicely.  Brorsen has had some great games over the past couple of years against K-State as well.  ku also has some redshirt freshman who have a chance to be really good in the next few years.  Campbell and Harold are about all K-State has on the d-line.


CB:  ku >> K-State

-  Josh Moore is good.  Aside from that, K-State's cornerbacks are pretty weak.  Thornton and Patterson have been an improvement for ku over Harper and Harris.  ku has young, high school players in the program like Ryan Murphy and Greg Brown who could develop into good players down the road.  K-State, thanks to Ron Prince, has a bunch of Juco's at this position.


S:  ku >>>> K-State

-  Darrell Stuckey is a beast.  This one isn't even close.  Phillip Strozier and Chris Harris are both solid as well.  For K-State, Herndon and Carney are decent, but Hartman is horrible.  ku is bringing in a nice group of safeties in the '09 recruiting class, so this position will continue to be a strong area for ku.

LB:  ku >>>>> K-State

- Once again, not close. James Holt is playing like a 1st-team All-Big 12 perfromer this year.  Rivera and Mortensen are both solid, and there's depth with guys like Arist Wright and Justin Springer.  Against ku, K-State's best linebacker was a freshman walk-on.  KR/PR:  K-State >>>  ku
- Banks and Murphy have taken a couple kicks back this year while ku has struggled in this area.  Still, Marcus Herford was a 1st-team AA last season and Daymond Patterson returned a punt for a TD in his first college game. 

This actually shows me and everyone on the board how much you dont know about talent.
QB-Reesing is a winner like I said, but talented he is not. NFL teams dont like Freeman bc of size. They like him because he can make every throw on the field. Something Reesing cannot. Reesing is a winner as long as the OC calls the play from the sideline just like all the other spread QB's. This shouldnt even be a discussion, if we are talking about Talent.
RB-Yes, look at what Jake sharp did to KSU defense, then look at what everyone else did to it. Performance against the #117 ranked defense does not make you talented. I suspect that Lamark Brown got the starting job bc of what he did to the defense in practice. Sharp is a good football player, but talented he is not
WR-Dude are you kidding me? Briscoe, Meier and wilson are good players just good. So are our wr's. playing with your offense, they'd probably have far better stats. Meier is slow, Briscoe is average at best. I don't even know why you brought up Wilson.
OL-Because they dominated our defense you are calling them talented? Gotta be kidding...Everyone dominated our d-line. How many times does this have to be discussed. We are talking about talent. your ot's are better, but that's where it ends. We dont even run the damn ball enough for you to make this comparison. This is a wash. Get your head out of your ass
DL-KSU is much better talent wise. Your DE's are the worst in the Big 12. Ours were getting double teamed every play in the 3-4. Harold, Childs, Campbell are leaps and bounds better than your DE's and both our DT's aren't very good. Ours is because of scheme. I have no doubt that even our DT's are more TALENTED. YOu are waaaaay off base here buddy. The players on your D-line are coming along because of better coaching.And why are you talking about Freshman who hadn't played. We dont know how talented they are yet, and that doesn't help you win the argument
LBs-Mortenson is a leader with no talent, a solid football player with absolutely no speed and they come a dime a dozen. Rivera has good speed but will only hit guys who arent looking. Not to mention is the worst Blitzing LB in the Big 12. Holt is only playing like a 1st team All Big 12 player from DE in passing situations, definitely not at pure LB. But I give you the nod because of experience, much better coaching, and much better scheme. Not TALENT! And quit talking about guys no ones heard of...
Safeties-Stuckey wins this for you, and I will state that every single safety I played with at KSU was better aside from j. tetuan.  A beast is a safety like OU's SS. The rest are extremely comparable to our Safeties. And there you go again talking about recruits who have proven nothing. Dont let those star ratings fool you either. Hartman is a Fr. dude. He will be better next year with a damn coach.
CB-Dude you're crazy if you think your corners are the least bit good. Moore wins this one by himself just like Stuckey won it for your safeties. Are you still talking about young players in the program? This discussion is about the talent we have seen, not talent the jayhawk slant says you have in the pipeline. With better coaching we'd blow you out  of the water, based on talent
Oh TE- Mastrud is much better than any ku TE will ever be, we just didn't use him. I didn't even know you had a TE on the roster, that's how bad you suck in this category

  nice try but not even close. You are speaking as a fan of ku. I'm speaking as neutral guy evaluating talent. Know what you are talking about before you challenge me SON! And while you are at it, learn what football TALENT is...
Now as a Fan...
  Do not pass go, Do not collect $200

 

Wow... thanks for the laughs.  Like I already pointed out, K-State's o-line and d-line suck.  Your skill positions are full of Juco scrubs.  ku has young, talented depth at just about every position.  Mortensen might not be that talented but he's a hell of a lot better than that walk-on scrub who was leading your team in tackles.  Mort was a 1st-team All Big 12 last season.  You are beyond delusional, Mr. Pierce.  LOL @ calling yourself "neutral."


PS.  How many top 5 teams did you guys beat and how many BCS bowls did you win?  How many 12-win seasons did you guys have?  ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.


PSS.  I provide facts.  You provide hyperbole.  Look at the score of the ku/K-State game... 52-21, and it wasn't that close.  ku is much more talented.  Deal with it.

[CatsNChiefs]

Yeah!  Take that TP!  You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!

[BMWJhawk]

Yeah!  Take that TP!  You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!

I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).   

[catsdo]

"This really isn't surprising, coming from BMW.  One week he's bagging on Mangino all over the Internet, the next he's on ksufans.com touting how much progress the program has made under him."- PittsburgJayhawk

[catdude33]

Well, ku does have a lot more talent than we do.  

But the comment about the '07 ku team being better than any KSU DoD squad has to be a joke.  Stop being so silly BMW.

[fatty fat fat]

PS.  How many top 5 teams did you guys beat and how many BCS bowls did you win?  How many 12-win seasons did you guys have?  ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.

you're losing it. 


But TP is kind of a homer. I mean, I can see the argument for Freeman no doubt, but WR's??? No way. O-line? You cannot even come close to defending that thing. RB? No way.  We don't have a running back. LB? LOL, ours are complete garbage.

this doesn't mean we won't be more talented than ku in 2009.

[CatsNChiefs]

Yeah!  Take that TP!  You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!

I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).   

Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.

[BMWJhawk]

PS.  How many top 5 teams did you guys beat and how many BCS bowls did you win?  How many 12-win seasons did you guys have?  ku's '07 team would have wiped the field with you guys, especially in '03.

you're losing it. 


But TP is kind of a homer. I mean, I can see the argument for Freeman no doubt, but WR's??? No way. O-line? You cannot even come close to defending that thing. RB? No way.  We don't have a running back. LB? LOL, ours are complete garbage.

this doesn't mean we won't be more talented than ku in 2009.

I thought you were talking about ku's '07 basketball team at first, then I kinda ran with it.  I'm trying my best to get under TP's skin.  But yeah, the dude's a complete homer.  

[CatsNChiefs]

Irony:

But yeah, the dude's a complete homer.  

[BMWJhawk]

Yeah!  Take that TP!  You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!

I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).   

Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.

So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it.  I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.  

[sonofdaxjones]

A guy who played at K-State being a "complete homer" for K-State? No!!

This from the same guy who demands validation for ku on a K-State board at every turn.  

[catchup]

Hey BMW,

It's pps not pss. You are welcome.

Sincerely,

Catchup

[CatsNChiefs]

So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it.  I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.  

Glad to help.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

This thread has been incredibly entertaining, but I am curious about a couple of things:

1) What are we talking about, when we evaluate someone's "talent?" Is it just their overall athleticism?

2) What throws is Todd incapable of making, exactly?  Isn't part of a QBs "talent" his ability to go through the progressions, find a receiver, and deliver the ball accurately? Freems has a stronger arm (Though Todd can still chuck it 60+ yards, so he's no slouch), but I'm struggling to come up with another area in which he's inherently more "talented" than Todd.

[sonofdaxjones]

Funny how the resident squawktards always manage to just about completely disappear in the midst of losing streaks for ku, but they beat this years most overrated team by 3 points and suddenly they're all over the place again.

[Saulbadguy]

Yeah!  Take that TP!  You can't argue with adjectives and opinions!

I'm the one providing facts (ie 280 rushing yards for ku vs 91 for ksu, 52-21 final score, 1st team All Big 12 players, etc, etc.).   

Yeah, all of those facts are tremendously relevant to "talent" level.

So head-to-head, total yards, and All-Americans are irrelevant... got it.  I guess the only way to decide talent level is to point to a position and say it could improve with coaching.  

So when ku travels to K-State this upcoming season, ku will have no trouble winning because they more talented by such a wide margin - right?

[BMWJhawk]

not claiming a DoD.  just wondering how you guys claim it with a straight face.

I don't know. Imagine ku having the 2007 team for 11 straight years. Yeah, ku fans wouldn't celebrate that at all.

but alas, when you have one great year then fall back the next year like ku constantly does, it can be hard to relate...i understand.

That's not even close to a good comparison.  ku's '07 team was better than anything K-State football has put on the field.  Period.  You never even competed for a National Championship.  You had six straight 11-win seasons.  Congrats.  That doesn't compare to winning the National Championship, believe me.  You'll never understand what it's like until you experience one for yourself. 

ku has a chance to go 8-5 this year and will have been bowl eligible 4 out of the last 5 years.  ku should be one of the favorites to win the North again next year and I wouldn't be surprised if this program started winning 8-10 games a season.  K-State is in desperation mode after hiring a 70 year-old Bill Snyder and your '09 recruiting class is a joke. 

Enjoy bowl season sitting at home watching K-State basketball.

 

That 07 team sucked. Our 2001 team was still the #4 ranked Defense in the country. Your 07 team wouldnt have even scored. Best case scenario vs our 01 team with your 07 would be 0-0. Although Im sure our defense would have scored, and we would have ran the ball down your throat with that soft ass defense you guys had. You need to learn Football 101 cause ku 07 wouldnt have stood a chance against against any ksu team from 97-2003. This isn't even arguable!

That #3 Va Tech team they beat in the Orange Bowl had more talent than most, if not all, of your K-State teams during the DoD.