The Royals

[star seed 7]

Because he wasn't allowed to. Ned 

[Cartierfor3]

It annoys me how little nuance is brought to a discussion sometimes. Its like if I think Hochevar is a valuable player and not Aaron Crow, and if I question the value of Terrance Gore on a 25 man roster long term, what is interpreted is that I'm a gian Hoch fan boy who hates Gore and wants him released. There's wiggle room on all these things. Its never either or.

i value giving Gordon and Cain days off through the season, but I think I would personally send Fuentes down when Dyson is ready to come back. It is not like Fuentes has been setting the world a blaze in the games he has played. I think the value of Gore for situations like yesterday afternoon out weigh Fuentes' value over Orlando in a one-off situation to give Gordon or Cain a rest. 

I can see this. I hope Fuentes gets some more opportunities before they decide on him though.

[Missouriscribe]

Right, nuance like "that is the dumbest thing ever written on a bbs,", and "you're wrong, dummy."  Good point.

[Cartierfor3]

Right, nuance like "that is the dumbest thing ever written on a bbs,", and "you're wrong, dummy."  Good point.

 

[Cartierfor3]

I mean, when you roll in here and throw around the name Crow, its gonna get a reaction.

[sys]

it is weird how you hate gore, which is really almost impossible to do.

[Missouriscribe]

I like the discussions you join in, but it seems like you develop really thin skin after someone poses an alternative viewpoint. I mean, "if poster so and so doesn't stop arguing I'm going to stop posting itt."

[Cartierfor3]

it is weird how you hate gore, which is really almost impossible to do.

I love him so much I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

[Powercat Posse]

what is the argument that the fourth outfielder can't play enough to give cain and gordon off days?

if the argument is that they can only carry 4 outfielders because they need another pitcher - didn't they keep 5 outfielders most of last year?  i don't recall exactly, but it feels like orlando was up for like 75% of the year or so.

We had 13 pitchers on the roster for a majority of the season.  Orlando was on the team a lot but most of his time up was 1) when Rios was out 6 weeks 2) When Gordon was out several weeks 3) the rosters expanded to 40.

Right now, I don't see a need to carry a 13th pitcher.  There may be a time where we do, but not right now.  So having 5 OFs is the best fit.  I would expect that Gore is the one likely sent down.  However, if they kept Gore I would be fine with that.   

[sys]

I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

playing cf every day for the royals would probably be better for him, and you don't want that.

[sys]

We had 13 pitchers on the roster for a majority of the season.  Orlando was on the team a lot but most of his time up was 1) when Rios was out 6 weeks 2) When Gordon was out several weeks 3) the rosters expanded to 40.

Right now, I don't see a need to carry a 13th pitcher.  There may be a time where we do, but not right now.  So having 5 OFs is the best fit.  I would expect that Gore is the one likely sent down.  However, if they kept Gore I would be fine with that.

you're right.  i kinda spaced on all of the outfielder injuries they had last year.

[Cartierfor3]

I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

playing cf every day for the royals would probably be better for him, and you don't want that.

na he'd get torn up. baseball takes a lot of reps against lower level competition.

[DQ12]

it is weird how you hate gore, which is really almost impossible to do.

I love him so much I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

I want what's best for the Royals, which IMO, is to have a speed demon waiting in the wings whenever we need one.

I don't know much about how TG is projected, but do people think he'll eventually be an everyday CF for a MLB club?

[sys]

na he'd get torn up. baseball takes a lot of reps against lower level competition.

he'd learn at a faster rate than he'd learn in the minors (better coaching, better scouting, better competition) and he'd get a full year of league min salary and a full year of service time.  speed doesn't age well, it'd probably be best for him to have a chance to use it while he still has it.


let's be honest, more likely than not, he's never going to improve enough as a hitter to make a mlb roster on that merit.  better for him to get paid now.

[kso_FAN]

it is weird how you hate gore, which is really almost impossible to do.

I love him so much I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

I want what's best for the Royals, which IMO, is to have a speed demon waiting in the wings whenever we need one.

I don't know much about how TG is projected, but do people think he'll eventually be an everyday CF for a MLB club?

I'm guessing the Royals have Gore pegged as the next (or simply another) Dyson.

Dyson was drafted in 06, was called up in 10, but has been (at best) a platoon guy since then. This year is his chance to be a more prominent player.

Gore was drafted in 11 and has had a more accelerated route after being called up in 14, but he hasn't gotten as much opportunity outside of being a baserunner compared to Dyson's early MLB experience.

I don't think Gore will ever get a chance to even reach a role as significant as Dyson's (so far) if he doesn't get more at bats in the minors and figure out how to be a viable platoon outfielder.

[Rage Against the McKee]

it is weird how you hate gore, which is really almost impossible to do.

I love him so much I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

I want what's best for the Royals, which IMO, is to have a speed demon waiting in the wings whenever we need one.

I don't know much about how TG is projected, but do people think he'll eventually be an everyday CF for a MLB club?

What kind of minor league stats does Gore need to produce to get a legitimate shot at being an MLB outfielder?

[scottwildcat]

it is weird how you hate gore, which is really almost impossible to do.

I love him so much I want what's best for him, which is to play ball in NW Arkansas so his career can go past the age of 26.

I want what's best for the Royals, which IMO, is to have a speed demon waiting in the wings whenever we need one.

I don't know much about how TG is projected, but do people think he'll eventually be an everyday CF for a MLB club?

I'm guessing the Royals have Gore pegged as the next (or simply another) Dyson.

Dyson was drafted in 06, was called up in 10, but has been (at best) a platoon guy since then. This year is his chance to be a more prominent player.

Gore was drafted in 11 and has had a more accelerated route after being called up in 14, but he hasn't gotten as much opportunity outside of being a baserunner compared to Dyson's early MLB experience.

I don't think Gore will ever get a chance to even reach a role as significant as Dyson's (so far) if he doesn't get more at bats in the minors and figure out how to be a viable platoon outfielder.

what did Dyson's minor league numbers look like early on? I don't know at all. Has he shown any real signs of being able to one day be a 4th outfielder or more than a specialized speed guy?

[kso_FAN]

What kind of minor league stats does Gore need to produce to get a legitimate shot at being an MLB outfielder?

Here are Dyson's stats and Gore's so far for comparison.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=dyson-001jar

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=gore--000ter

[sys]

dyson's early minor league numbers were about equally bad.


but, most guys with numbers like that don't develop like dyson did.  dyson defied overwhelming odds.  and in terms of tools, dyson had the advantage of a slightly bigger frame and more power potential.  defensively, dyson has an above average arm and gore has a poor arm.  i'm not sure, but i don't think arms are something that develops much, more an intrinsic ability.

all that said, gore supposedly developed a lot as a hitter and defender last year.

[Skipper44]

na he'd get torn up. baseball takes a lot of reps against lower level competition.

he'd learn at a faster rate than he'd learn in the minors (better coaching, better scouting, better competition) and he'd get a full year of league min salary and a full year of service time.  speed doesn't age well, it'd probably be best for him to have a chance to use it while he still has it.


let's be honest, more likely than not, he's never going to improve enough as a hitter to make a mlb roster on that merit.  better for him to get paid now.

Gore can 100% help this team right now vs 5 or 10% chance he improves enough in the next year or two in the minors to be the next Dyson?  I mean, isn't it a near certainty this Royals team is playing for this year and next and then rebuilding? #rungore

[DQ12]

well if the odds are low that gore is going to have much long term value for us, beyond his speed, then let's use him on the major league club if he'll help, and I think yesterday showed he'll help.  I'd hate to blow what would really be Gore's prime value period for us trying to turn him into something he's not (a great ball player). 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Gore's minor league numbers aren't that bad if you consider 1st base scoring position. I just don't know how well they translate to MLB numbers.

[scottwildcat]

#InNedAndDaytonITrust but the more I think about it, the more resolute i get in wanting Gore to stay on the 25-man.

[BW]

I think it's been discussed before, but Gore needs to learn to slide or else he won't be helping here or in AA. He enters the bag with such speed and violence, it's a wonder he hasn't snapped off his ankles.

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[8manpick]

Nope