The Royals

[Cartierfor3]

I mean, Cain, Orlando, Dyson, Escobar, even maybe Hosmer is Gore's place and its probably the same outcome. The play at 3rd and the play at home were not close. Gore's pressense forced the bad plays from May, but we have a team where you can really only say Salvy and Morales are liabilities on the basepath. We have plenty of depth of baserunners and I'd prefer more well rounded depth from the bench when Dyson returns.

[Missouriscribe]

He's rarely been on the roster during the regular season, outside of September. The roster is delicate, and resting Cain and Gordon are good reasons to have an OF you're going to play more than Gore. I think we typically carry too many guys in the pen, though balancing innings in the pen is delicate also. It's an interesting debate. Wonder how many of our middle pen guys have options and can be shuffled around off days and spot starts from Duffy.

[pissclams]

nah, cain isn't stealing home on that play

[Cartierfor3]

nah, cain isn't stealing home on that play

like he wouldn't have attempted or he wouldn't have been sucessful?

[Missouriscribe]

And I don't see anyone outside of Gore or Dyson taking 2nd and 3rd on that overthrow.

[sys]

Gore can come up and down during the season. I value off days for Cain and Gordon too much to keep Gore on the 25 once Dyson is healthy. Plus, Gore needs to stay in AA and see if he can become a MLB player that can do more than run.

what is the argument that the fourth outfielder can't play enough to give cain and gordon off days?


i agree that gore needs to play everyday to develop.

[sys]

i guess the argument is that you don't want to play dyson against lefties, which would limit your flexibility too much in giving gordon days off against a lefty?  or just that you couldn't give two starters days off on the same day?

it really doesn't seem that unworkable.

[sys]

i think you could also shuffle merriefield or merriewether or whatever his name is in with colon to sometimes have the infielder be a guy that could also play the outfield.

[sys]

I agree that Gore can be a game changer, but when Dyson is healthy he gives us similar skills, but he can be trusted to platoon as an outfielder. Gore needs to prove that he can do that as well and continuing to develop as a hitter/fielder for a couple months in the minors would be good for him and the Royals. Then bring him back when the rosters expand and put him on the playoff roster.

dyson can't be the regular pinch runner if he's playing right field regularly.  he has similar skills, but you can only play one position at a time.

[sys]

I mean, Cain, Orlando, Dyson, Escobar, even maybe Hosmer is Gore's place and its probably the same outcome. The play at 3rd and the play at home were not close. Gore's pressense forced the bad plays from May, but we have a team where you can really only say Salvy and Morales are liabilities on the basepath. We have plenty of depth of baserunners and I'd prefer more well rounded depth from the bench when Dyson returns.

only dyson.  the difference between kinda fast and gore is as big as the difference between salvy and esky.

[sys]

what is the argument that the fourth outfielder can't play enough to give cain and gordon off days?

if the argument is that they can only carry 4 outfielders because they need another pitcher - didn't they keep 5 outfielders most of last year?  i don't recall exactly, but it feels like orlando was up for like 75% of the year or so.

[wetwillie]

Anyone have the pic of hoz bear hugging gore right after he gets up from his slide?

[Cartierfor3]

i guess the argument is that you don't want to play dyson against lefties, which would limit your flexibility too much in giving gordon days off against a lefty?  or just that you couldn't give two starters days off on the same day?

it really doesn't seem that unworkable.

I think they want 5 OF on the roster, but I am not sure.

5 OF
2 C
6 INF (including Morales)
5 SP
7 Pen

Just depends on if they want Gore to develop his entire game, and if they value having offense roster spots that they can insert into games and leave in the lineup.

[Cartierfor3]

I mean, Cain, Orlando, Dyson, Escobar, even maybe Hosmer is Gore's place and its probably the same outcome. The play at 3rd and the play at home were not close. Gore's pressense forced the bad plays from May, but we have a team where you can really only say Salvy and Morales are liabilities on the basepath. We have plenty of depth of baserunners and I'd prefer more well rounded depth from the bench when Dyson returns.

only dyson.  the difference between kinda fast and gore is as big as the difference between salvy and esky.

Cain and Orlando are not kinda fast.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I mean, Cain, Orlando, Dyson, Escobar, even maybe Hosmer is Gore's place and its probably the same outcome. The play at 3rd and the play at home were not close. Gore's pressense forced the bad plays from May, but we have a team where you can really only say Salvy and Morales are liabilities on the basepath. We have plenty of depth of baserunners and I'd prefer more well rounded depth from the bench when Dyson returns.

only dyson.  the difference between kinda fast and gore is as big as the difference between salvy and esky.

Cain and Orlando are not kinda fast.

They don't turn a walk into a double the same way Gore does.

[Cartierfor3]

You guys are making arguments trying to counter something I'm not saying. I'm not saying Gore is slow or Cain and Orlando are just as fast, I'm attempting to discuss the value of a roster spot and its impact on the team.

[kso_FAN]

You guys are making arguments trying to counter something I'm not saying. I'm not saying Gore is slow or Cain and Orlando are just as fast, I'm attempting to discuss the value of a roster spot and its impact on the team.

That's fair, but Gore is uncharted territory with his speed. This is from a blog in 2012 when Gore was still way down in the minors.

Gore’s speed is literally off the charts. He has been clocked as fast as 3.7 seconds going from home to first base. To put that in perspective, a player who can reach the 3.9 mark is assessed an 80 grade for speed, the highest that exists on the scouting scale.

http://baseballhistorian.blogspot.com/2012/07/royals-terrance-gore-trying-to-speed.html

[kim carnes]

Honestly you guys, no one needs any off days beyond what are built into the schedule except for the catcher.

[wetwillie]

Infante is like 40, he can't play 160 games

[pissclams]

Honestly you guys, no one needs any off days beyond what are built into the schedule except for the catcher.

the best way to protect your roster investment is to not play the roster

[star seed 7]

Honestly you guys, no one needs any off days beyond what are built into the schedule except for the catcher.

Exactly, you hardly do anything at all in baseball. An OF does like 15 sprints a game including offense. These are professional athletes people

[8manpick]

Gore clearly won that game on Sunday in a way that only Billy Hamilton and Dyson could, and I think that Gore worries pitchers even more than those two. 

FWIW, Lorenzo Cain is barely in the same ballpark as those guys.  He was a 65 grade speed.

[scottwildcat]

i value giving Gordon and Cain days off through the season, but I think I would personally send Fuentes down when Dyson is ready to come back. It is not like Fuentes has been setting the world a blaze in the games he has played. I think the value of Gore for situations like yesterday afternoon out weigh Fuentes' value over Orlando in a one-off situation to give Gordon or Cain a rest. 

[star seed 7]

Those are fantastic points sc 

[Cartierfor3]

Honestly you guys, no one needs any off days beyond what are built into the schedule except for the catcher.

the best way to protect your roster investment is to not play the roster

Not at all what I said Clams. This team has been very healthy heading into October the past 2 seasons, and it has been a big factor in their success.


Over time, players fatigue and don't produce as well. Cain's  4 ABs in a game, plus the 9 innings he plays CF are more impactful to a game's outcome than a PR. Doing everything they can to make sure our core players are productive is crucial. You don't have to buy in, but most baseball people think there is a wear and tear on a body and mind that should be monitored.

This is a good article about how the Pirates seem to be currently ahead of baseball in terms of avoiding injury. Its an interesting thing to watch.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=27584

FYI we won the World Series last year and Gore did not impact 1 single game.