The Royals

[8manpick]

I don't want Chris Young in the playoffs. I want Cueto/Duffy/Volquez/Ventura. Get Cueto, let Guts be 5th starter the rest of the year. Either Young or Blanton get Chen'd.

I don't want Ventura unless he starts pitching better than Young.

We get it, you hate Ventura

No, he's my favorite player.

Well I'm confused then.  He has had injury trouble, and the two ejections which has limited him to 10 starts that he was able to see through. He has had pretty terrible luck (or skill, depending on your POV) with sequencing and BABIP, but most of the metrics say he is the same pitcher he was last year.

[WildcatNkilt]

I don't want to give up crap for young talent for cueto though. like, I've fully convinced myself that we are building this thing for the long haul. remember all those yankees teams from before you were born and all those world serieses they won back then? that's us now and for the rest of our lives. but we will do it with our stud farm systems and hitting on like 95% of our draft picks and really smart trades and junk.

The biggest difference is the Yankees can and will spend the money on the high profile players to fill voids in addition to having a top tier farm system. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't want Chris Young in the playoffs. I want Cueto/Duffy/Volquez/Ventura. Get Cueto, let Guts be 5th starter the rest of the year. Either Young or Blanton get Chen'd.

I don't want Ventura unless he starts pitching better than Young.

We get it, you hate Ventura

No, he's my favorite player.

Well I'm confused then.  He has had injury trouble, and the two ejections which has limited him to 10 starts that he was able to see through. He has had pretty terrible luck (or skill, depending on your POV) with sequencing and BABIP, but most of the metrics say he is the same pitcher he was last year.

He has some mental/injury issues he needs to work through. He is by far the most talented player on the roster, but he's our worst option at starting pitcher right now. I'd love for him to return to his old form and stop giving up so many runs, but until that happens, I'd rather we pitch people who aren't falling apart every time somebody gets on base.

[420seriouscat69]

For some reason, most ppl in this thread don't want to admit that half of ventura's problem is mental.

[WildcatNkilt]

I have a coworker who thinks Ventura is on cocaine.  Mentioned how (compared to the other players) he was sweating his ass off, looked like he dropped 10 lbs. and thought his complexion was a bit green.  Compared him to Quin Snyder.

[420seriouscat69]

Interesting take.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I have a coworker who thinks Ventura is on cocaine.  Mentioned how (compared to the other players) he was sweating his ass off, looked like he dropped 10 lbs. and thought his complexion was a bit green.  Compared him to Quin Snyder.

Your coworker is full of crap, imo.

I just think that Ventura put too much pressure on himself when he was named the number 1 pitcher, and now has trouble handling adversity. Baseball is the hardest sport mentally (easiest sport physically) that I've ever played. He's young enough and talented enough that I think he'll eventually get it straightened out and become one of the best pitchers in baseball.

[Cartierfor3]

didn't know you worked at 810WHB with Kevin Keitzman WildcatNKilt

[8manpick]

What I'm saying is that Yordano effectively is pitching almost just like he did last year.  He has given up an effectively unsustainable outlier percentage of hits per ball put in play, and an abnormal amount of those have happened with people on base (BABIP .406, which is unheard of).  His FIP is essentially the same as last year, his K rate is the same, his BB rate is down, his velocity is slightly down, but pitch movement is slightly up.  I don't see much reason to think that Yordano won't be effective going forward.

[WildcatNkilt]

didn't know you worked at 810WHB with Kevin Keitzman WildcatNKilt

Easy......

[Rage Against the McKee]

What I'm saying is that Yordano effectively is pitching almost just like he did last year.  He has given up an effectively unsustainable outlier percentage of hits per ball put in play, and an abnormal amount of those have happened with people on base (BABIP .406, which is unheard of).  His FIP is essentially the same as last year, his K rate is the same, his BB rate is down, his velocity is slightly down, but pitch movement is slightly up.  I don't see much reason to think that Yordano won't be effective going forward.

I haven't paid close attention to his pitch location throughout most of the season, but in his last game, a lot of the hits he gave up were on pitches right down the middle. He just isn't locating his pitches well enough. He also isn't throwing strikes with his curve ball, which limits the effectiveness of his triple digit velocity.

[Cartierfor3]

The idea that BABIP is a luck based stat is stupid FYI. Maybe BABIP on rocket hard line drives or something.

[mocat]

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2nd to last: Wacky (+1)
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[The Big Train]

where am I at mocat?

[mocat]

where am I at mocat?

if this was the ncaa tourney you'd be on the right side of the bubble 

[The Big Train]

isnt the right side not in the tourny 

[star seed 7]

Looks like the roys being awesome has made all of baseball's ratings go up.

[mocat]

isnt the right side not in the tourny 

would you rather be on the wrong side of the bubble?

[Rage Against the McKee]

mocat's updated royals thread poster rankings:

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2nd to last: Wacky (+1)
last: Rage against the McKee (-1)

Wacky is really good in this thread.

[The Big Train]

isnt the right side not in the tourny 

would you rather be on the wrong side of the bubble?

nope 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Looks like the roys being awesome has made all of baseball's ratings go up.

Everyone's except the Dodgers. That one was pretty  to me. They are in first place.

[420seriouscat69]

mocat's updated royals thread poster rankings:

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2nd to last: Wacky (+1)
last: Rage against the McKee (-1)

Wacky is really good in this thread.

Thank you!

[8manpick]

The idea that BABIP is a luck based stat is stupid FYI. Maybe BABIP on rocket hard line drives or something.

It isn't an entirely luck based stat by any means, but there is a ton of variance in small sample sizes and you can be on the unlucky end of that.  Ventura isn't likely to continue to turn hitters into Ted Williams while runners are on.  It will regress to a reasonable level, and everyone will talk about how Yordano has gotten himself back on track.

Season   Situational   IP   ERA   TBF   H   2B   3B   R   ER   HR   BB   IBB   HBP   SO   AVG   OBP   SLG   wOBA
2015   Bases Empty   46.0   - - -   192   35   7   1   3   3   3   15   0   4   45   .202   .281   .306   .266
2015   Men on Base   30.1   - - -   130   43   11   1   41   41   4   10   1   0   20   .358   .411   .586   .421

Season   Situational   K/9   BB/9   K/BB   HR/9   K%     BB%   K-BB%   AVG   WHIP   BABIP   LOB%   FIP   xFIP
2015   Bases Empty   8.80   2.93   3.00   0.59   23.4 %   7.8 %   15.6 %   - - -   1.09   .256   100.0 %   3.19   3.41
2015   Men on Base   5.93   2.97   2.00   1.19   15.4 %   7.7 %   7.7 %   - - -   1.75   .406   25.3 %   4.45   4.11

[mocat]

Looks like the roys being awesome has made all of baseball's ratings go up.

Everyone's except the Dodgers. That one was pretty  to me. They are in first place.

yeah they have garbage fans

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

[420seriouscat69]

That and the cable deal the Dodgers have is Eff'd up. Heard on the radio the other day that it's through one of the cable providers there, that is hard to get in many places in the surrounding area.