The Royals

[mocat]

James was our 3rd best starter and will be 4th best if Finnegan moves into the rotation. I don't think 5 for 80 makes any sense.

argued this this morning with my bros. he did have the lowest ERA and most innings among the starters. hes consistent... however, i agree with you. 5 years is too much for a 32 year old and $16M is too much for the Royals. id do 4 for 50 and thats probably as high as id go.

Duffy and Ventura had lower ERAs.

Ventura has a 0.01 lower ERA and yes, Duffy's was lower. He didn't show up bold as a starter for some reason on ESPN... my bad.

Duffy did not pitch enough innings to be bolded

[8manpick]

James was our 3rd best starter and will be 4th best if Finnegan moves into the rotation. I don't think 5 for 80 makes any sense.

Listen bud. I'm going crazy over Finnegan as well, but wait for him to have a full season under his belt before claiming he's better than big game James.

Probably not today, but over the next 5 years I'd take Big Game Brandon

That is highly optimistic pseudo-crazy talk

[mocat]

i am a stats guy and i do not like intangibles, but my god how can you not appreciate shields being in the ear of the young pitchers every single time they walk into the dugout after an inning?

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

its semantics here. for an entire season, hes undoubtedly our best pitcher. is he our best option in a one game playoff? idk. you could argue ventura or duffy and id listen to that. but hes our horse and hes worth quite a bit of money if we can resign him. just dont know if hes worth 5 for 80 kind of money... but that kind of offer says billy is 100% gone and theyre putting the money in shields trying to save one of the two.

[Cartierfor3]

Listen, I'd love to have James on the team next year. I just think 5 for 80 is too much for us.

[mocat]

if it came down to keeping shields or butler, who would you keep? playing GM is such a fun slash horrifying dream slash nightmare

[Rage Against the McKee]

I would love to see the Royals get Shields back, regardless of the cost. It is time for Glass to put all of his chips on the table and win a World Series. I don't really care if the whole thing falls apart and we go back to being one of the worst teams in baseball in 4 or 5 years.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Listen, I'd love to have James on the team next year. I just think 5 for 80 is too much for us.

no one is arguing that part of your post. im talking about the "shields is our 3rd best starter..."

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

if it came down to keeping shields or butler, who would you keep? playing GM is such a fun slash horrifying dream slash nightmare

shields and its not even close. would take billy if he took a pay cut.

[kso_FAN]

I'm all for keeping James. I agree that 5 for 80 would be pushing it quite a bit, but I like it as a sign of commitment to winning.

[mocat]

shields

pros: great nickname, devastating changeup, outstanding mental toughness

cons: looks terrible without a hat on

[Cartierfor3]

Listen, I'd love to have James on the team next year. I just think 5 for 80 is too much for us.

no one is arguing that part of your post. im talking about the "shields is our 3rd best starter..."

I stand by that post. He was our 3rd best starter this year. He was much more durable and threw more innings than Danny or Yordano, which is very very important. He's as durable as they come and a big key to our success. But Danny and Yordano when on the hill were better.

[Emo EMAW]

Guys, Shields is good.  Billy sucks.  It's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to even ask the question.

[PIPE]

Didn't Billy make like 12 mil this year?

He is worth like 1/12th of that.....offer him a 2 year/2 mil deal, otherwise see ya.

Shields, no more than a 3 year deal.

[420seriouscat69]

When is @#life going to come in here and tell us how big of a dumb eff he is?

[mocat]

i had this whole Friday night watch party planned and now what am i going to do? 

[8manpick]

5 for 80 is a pretty good deal & hometown discount. Remember when we gave Gil Meche 5 for 55? Our payroll is 200% of what it was then...

[mocat]

8MP is throwing fire today ITT

[Rage Against the McKee]

i had this whole Friday night watch party planned and now what am i going to do? 

Well, you still have a 10% chance of there being no rain, so just keep your fingers crossed, mocat.

[420seriouscat69]

I will be lost this weekend if we end up with no Royals or qatz. 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Listen, I'd love to have James on the team next year. I just think 5 for 80 is too much for us.

no one is arguing that part of your post. im talking about the "shields is our 3rd best starter..."

I stand by that post. He was our 3rd best starter this year. He was much more durable and threw more innings than Danny or Yordano, which is very very important. He's as durable as they come and a big key to our success. But Danny and Yordano when on the hill were better.

take out Venturas 1.2 IP against Detroit and just count his starts, he has a higher ERA as a starter than Shields. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Who is going to be available in free agency? Anyone even close to as good as Shields?

[8manpick]

What's next, are we going to talk about batting averages?

[8manpick]

Who is going to be available in free agency? Anyone even close to as good as Shields?

Not at $14M for next year. Assuming 5/80 is back loaded

[kso_FAN]

8MP is throwing fire today ITT

Yes. He's like the James Shields of Royals thread posting right now.