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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21275 on: September 10, 2014, 04:17:05 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

butler's splits are better to the point that i'd give up a little defense to play him at first over hosmer against left handers or pitchers he has a good record against (tonight). also the willngham better bat stuff is pretty even. play them all the same amount from here on out as far as i'm concerned.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21276 on: September 10, 2014, 04:17:18 PM »
oh, and it better not rough ridin' get rained out tonight.  we have bgj scheduled to punch detroit in their fat rough ridin' faces, they aren't getting out of that because of a little goddamn rain.
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21277 on: September 10, 2014, 04:19:20 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

Its not just the Butler vs. Willingham thing. How many times will Dyson get picked off before Ned sees he has no baseball instinct? GO GET IN THERE AND RUN JARROD!

i mean, what are you going to do, not pr with one of the fastest guys in bball?  and aren't you simultaneously hating aoki all the time?  you can't hate everyone but gordon and butler.  they have to put at least 9 guys out there.


it does suck that dyson is always getting picked off, just like it sucks that hosmer sucks and it sucks that they don't have a better dh and it sucks that infante isn't hitting like he did last year.

All I'm saying is its inconsistent how the team is handled. When Billy plays poorly, he sits. When anyone else plays poorly, they play. Billy sits to "rest mentally" while the golden boys play regardless of results. Is it crazy with the roster we have now to start platooning Cain, or sit Hosmer, or not PR with Dyson when he's made 5 outs on the basepaths the last 2 weeks? It took Moose have a monumentally bad start for him to sit.

Billy has sucked, and if he sits for it, fine. But play Nix for a game, use one of the 40 outfielders on the roster for Cain for a night, or even sit Salvy down for Kratz for a game. There's 2 standards, 1 for Billy, 1 for everyone else.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21278 on: September 10, 2014, 04:19:45 PM »
oh, and it better not rough ridin' get rained out tonight.  we have bgj scheduled to punch detroit in their fat rough ridin' faces, they aren't getting out of that because of a little goddamn rain.

I hope they start the game at 10 PM in front of 500 fans

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21279 on: September 10, 2014, 04:21:32 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

butler's splits are better to the point that i'd give up a little defense to play him at first over hosmer against left handers or pitchers he has a good record against (tonight). also the willngham better bat stuff is pretty even.

it's faily close to even over their careers, willingham is significantly better this season.


hosmer v butler is immensely debatable.  you can't just compare numbers because defense doesn't really have numbers.  i'd be fine with playing butler some there, but i'm also fine with hosmer playing all the time.  i don't really see how or why someone could get worked up either way.  they've both been horrible in their own ways.  pick your poison.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21280 on: September 10, 2014, 04:23:12 PM »
There's 2 standards, 1 for Billy, 1 for everyone else.

every player should have a different standard from every other player.
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21281 on: September 10, 2014, 04:24:25 PM »
I hope they start the game at 10 PM in front of 500 fans

a west coast special.   :love:
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21282 on: September 10, 2014, 04:46:36 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

Its not just the Butler vs. Willingham thing. How many times will Dyson get picked off before Ned sees he has no baseball instinct? GO GET IN THERE AND RUN JARROD!

i mean, what are you going to do, not pr with one of the fastest guys in bball?  and aren't you simultaneously hating aoki all the time?  you can't hate everyone but gordon and butler.  they have to put at least 9 guys out there.


it does suck that dyson is always getting picked off, just like it sucks that hosmer sucks and it sucks that they don't have a better dh and it sucks that infante isn't hitting like he did last year.

All I'm saying is its inconsistent how the team is handled. When Billy plays poorly, he sits. When anyone else plays poorly, they play. Billy sits to "rest mentally" while the golden boys play regardless of results. Is it crazy with the roster we have now to start platooning Cain, or sit Hosmer, or not PR with Dyson when he's made 5 outs on the basepaths the last 2 weeks? It took Moose have a monumentally bad start for him to sit.

Billy has sucked, and if he sits for it, fine. But play Nix for a game, use one of the 40 outfielders on the roster for Cain for a night, or even sit Salvy down for Kratz for a game. There's 2 standards, 1 for Billy, 1 for everyone else.

Glad you could join us Ms. Butler.  He's fat, lazy, bad attitude, not a team guy, can't play a position....is that what you want to hear?  Yes Dyson makes poor decisions...he still has raw skill that has won us many games...would I rather someone HBBIQ and fast?  Sure.  They aren't on the team. 

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21283 on: September 10, 2014, 04:47:40 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

butler's splits are better to the point that i'd give up a little defense to play him at first over hosmer against left handers or pitchers he has a good record against (tonight). also the willngham better bat stuff is pretty even. play them all the same amount from here on out as far as i'm concerned.

Can you share those splits with us?  Which ones are you looking at?

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21284 on: September 10, 2014, 04:53:08 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

Its not just the Butler vs. Willingham thing. How many times will Dyson get picked off before Ned sees he has no baseball instinct? GO GET IN THERE AND RUN JARROD!

i mean, what are you going to do, not pr with one of the fastest guys in bball?  and aren't you simultaneously hating aoki all the time?  you can't hate everyone but gordon and butler.  they have to put at least 9 guys out there.


it does suck that dyson is always getting picked off, just like it sucks that hosmer sucks and it sucks that they don't have a better dh and it sucks that infante isn't hitting like he did last year.

All I'm saying is its inconsistent how the team is handled. When Billy plays poorly, he sits. When anyone else plays poorly, they play. Billy sits to "rest mentally" while the golden boys play regardless of results. Is it crazy with the roster we have now to start platooning Cain, or sit Hosmer, or not PR with Dyson when he's made 5 outs on the basepaths the last 2 weeks? It took Moose have a monumentally bad start for him to sit.

Billy has sucked, and if he sits for it, fine. But play Nix for a game, use one of the 40 outfielders on the roster for Cain for a night, or even sit Salvy down for Kratz for a game. There's 2 standards, 1 for Billy, 1 for everyone else.

Glad you could join us Ms. Butler.  He's fat, lazy, bad attitude, not a team guy, can't play a position....is that what you want to hear?  Yes Dyson makes poor decisions...he still has raw skill that has won us many games...would I rather someone HBBIQ and fast?  Sure.  They aren't on the team.

I don't know how I've been painted into the Billy apologist corner, but here we are. His attitude is fine, and he is a team guy IMO, not sure where you're arriving at a different conclusion. And which games, specifically, since there are many, has Dyson won for us with raw skill? I like Dyson, but lets not overstate his value. His biggest value is in centerfield when Cain moves to right, giving us a superb defensive outfield.

Man, if he just had Hosmer's attitude and Moose's work ethic I guess Billy would be fine.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21285 on: September 10, 2014, 04:56:15 PM »
Its not like I don't see Billy's lack of production this year. I see it guys. I know its there.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21286 on: September 10, 2014, 05:02:35 PM »
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200708240.shtml

They started a game one time in Detroit at 11 PM to avoid a trip back late in the year in 2007.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21287 on: September 10, 2014, 05:03:56 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

Its not just the Butler vs. Willingham thing. How many times will Dyson get picked off before Ned sees he has no baseball instinct? GO GET IN THERE AND RUN JARROD!

i mean, what are you going to do, not pr with one of the fastest guys in bball?  and aren't you simultaneously hating aoki all the time?  you can't hate everyone but gordon and butler.  they have to put at least 9 guys out there.


it does suck that dyson is always getting picked off, just like it sucks that hosmer sucks and it sucks that they don't have a better dh and it sucks that infante isn't hitting like he did last year.

All I'm saying is its inconsistent how the team is handled. When Billy plays poorly, he sits. When anyone else plays poorly, they play. Billy sits to "rest mentally" while the golden boys play regardless of results. Is it crazy with the roster we have now to start platooning Cain, or sit Hosmer, or not PR with Dyson when he's made 5 outs on the basepaths the last 2 weeks? It took Moose have a monumentally bad start for him to sit.

Billy has sucked, and if he sits for it, fine. But play Nix for a game, use one of the 40 outfielders on the roster for Cain for a night, or even sit Salvy down for Kratz for a game. There's 2 standards, 1 for Billy, 1 for everyone else.

Glad you could join us Ms. Butler.  He's fat, lazy, bad attitude, not a team guy, can't play a position....is that what you want to hear?  Yes Dyson makes poor decisions...he still has raw skill that has won us many games...would I rather someone HBBIQ and fast?  Sure.  They aren't on the team.

I don't know how I've been painted into the Billy apologist corner, but here we are. His attitude is fine, and he is a team guy IMO, not sure where you're arriving at a different conclusion. And which games, specifically, since there are many, has Dyson won for us with raw skill? I like Dyson, but lets not overstate his value. His biggest value is in centerfield when Cain moves to right, giving us a superb defensive outfield.

Man, if he just had Hosmer's attitude and Moose's work ethic I guess Billy would be fine.

" There's 2 standards, 1 for Billy, 1 for everyone else." sounds very Billy Butler Apology'y.
 
My examples were more what do you want to hear why he is different...but honestly, from my sources  :gocho: he isn't a team guy.

I honestly don't like Dyson that much but I see his benefit in speed.  In 2014, he has scored in 29 games.  Of those, 19 were wins...of those, 8 were 1 or 2 run games.  I can't remember if he was the winning run in those but in 3 of them he was a late inning PR.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=dysonja01&t=b&year=2014

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21288 on: September 10, 2014, 06:26:20 PM »
First pitch set for 6:50 CT   :)

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21289 on: September 10, 2014, 06:30:11 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

butler's splits are better to the point that i'd give up a little defense to play him at first over hosmer against left handers or pitchers he has a good record against (tonight). also the willngham better bat stuff is pretty even. play them all the same amount from here on out as far as i'm concerned.

Can you share those splits with us?  Which ones are you looking at?

i'm just talking about their numbers against left handers. butler is like 50 points higher. that combined with the fact that the last time hosmer did anything clutch was 2012 makes me ok w/ playing billy some at first against lefties.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21290 on: September 10, 2014, 06:53:06 PM »
I hope we win tonight, so that we don't go 2-4 on the road trip and fall out of first.  Good thing we've got Shields going tonight. 

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« Reply #21291 on: September 10, 2014, 06:55:52 PM »
Good thing we've got Shields going tonight.

if the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) offense can score two, and the newly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) defense doesn't gift detroit a bunch of outs, bgj will punch us to a win.
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21292 on: September 10, 2014, 07:02:57 PM »
We know challenges.   :)

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« Reply #21293 on: September 10, 2014, 07:20:27 PM »
it's not baffling at all.  willingham plays over butler because he is better at hitting.  hosmer plays over butler because he is better defensively.  all the other players play over butler because butler can't play their positions (and also some of them are better at hitting).  it's pretty basic math.

butler's splits are better to the point that i'd give up a little defense to play him at first over hosmer against left handers or pitchers he has a good record against (tonight). also the willngham better bat stuff is pretty even. play them all the same amount from here on out as far as i'm concerned.

Can you share those splits with us?  Which ones are you looking at?

i'm just talking about their numbers against left handers. butler is like 50 points higher. that combined with the fact that the last time hosmer did anything clutch was 2012 makes me ok w/ playing billy some at first against lefties.

Here are the numbers vs. LHP for those interested.
Career - .314 (1117 AB) vs. .265 (680 AB)
2014 - .320 (125 AB) vs. .264 (129 AB)

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21294 on: September 10, 2014, 07:31:15 PM »
even if the defense does give them a few runs, i think kc will win.  bgj is bging tonight.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21295 on: September 10, 2014, 07:37:15 PM »
someone hit a ball hard, please

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21296 on: September 10, 2014, 07:39:45 PM »
I want an "in play, run(s)" so bad guys. And I'm watching the game.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21297 on: September 10, 2014, 07:41:20 PM »
Dang it.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #21298 on: September 10, 2014, 07:42:29 PM »
for eff's sake, Aoki. get a ball to the outfield.

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Re: The Royals (#1royal thread)
« Reply #21299 on: September 10, 2014, 07:49:27 PM »
this shields guy seems like a stud