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Re: ksu ladycats
« Reply #2375 on: February 05, 2025, 08:18:14 PM »
Tcu baiting Walker into taking jumpers - now 1-for-9 from the floor
yup, I hoped she’d figure out why tcu was giving her all the shots she wanted but no


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« Reply #2376 on: February 05, 2025, 08:19:27 PM »
The Sundell game
great senior year memory for her tonight

she balled hard


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« Reply #2377 on: February 05, 2025, 08:20:03 PM »
we had 12 steals tonight and forced 17 turnovers


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« Reply #2378 on: February 05, 2025, 08:20:17 PM »
The Sundell game
great senior year memory for her tonight

she balled hard
She’s been so good this season.

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« Reply #2379 on: February 05, 2025, 08:43:14 PM »
Crazy stats in this game...

10 ksu offensive rebounds... zero second chance points

20 layup/point blank attempts for ksu... 10 misses

5 3-pt makes for ksu... haven't had fewer than 8 in more than a month

I still have awful flashbacks about Mittie's coaching, but he ran circles around TCU with both his offensive and defensive game plans.

We make 5 more of those bunnies and we win by 20... without Yoki.

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« Reply #2380 on: February 05, 2025, 08:52:01 PM »
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« Reply #2381 on: February 06, 2025, 07:48:29 AM »
Crazy stats in this game...

10 ksu offensive rebounds... zero second chance points

20 layup/point blank attempts for ksu... 10 misses

5 3-pt makes for ksu... haven't had fewer than 8 in more than a month

I still have awful flashbacks about Mittie's coaching, but he ran circles around TCU with both his offensive and defensive game plans.

We make 5 more of those bunnies and we win by 20... without Yoki.

The second half (other than that one stretch to start the 4th), just felt like Sundell decided to make sure everyone knew that even with Yoki is out, K-State still has the best player in the conference.


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« Reply #2382 on: February 06, 2025, 07:58:45 AM »
Sides dropping a 'too small' celebration after one of Sundell's finishes over Van Lith was amaze

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« Reply #2383 on: February 06, 2025, 08:22:35 AM »
Crazy stats in this game...

10 ksu offensive rebounds... zero second chance points

20 layup/point blank attempts for ksu... 10 misses

5 3-pt makes for ksu... haven't had fewer than 8 in more than a month

I still have awful flashbacks about Mittie's coaching, but he ran circles around TCU with both his offensive and defensive game plans.

We make 5 more of those bunnies and we win by 20... without Yoki.

The second half (other than that one stretch to start the 4th), just felt like Sundell decided to make sure everyone knew that even with Yoki is out, K-State still has the best player in the conference.
Any rumblings on when / if Lee could return?

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« Reply #2384 on: February 06, 2025, 08:34:14 AM »
Late February hopefully

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« Reply #2385 on: February 06, 2025, 08:46:00 AM »
Crazy stats in this game...

10 ksu offensive rebounds... zero second chance points

20 layup/point blank attempts for ksu... 10 misses

5 3-pt makes for ksu... haven't had fewer than 8 in more than a month

I still have awful flashbacks about Mittie's coaching, but he ran circles around TCU with both his offensive and defensive game plans.

We make 5 more of those bunnies and we win by 20... without Yoki.

The second half (other than that one stretch to start the 4th), just felt like Sundell decided to make sure everyone knew that even with Yoki is out, K-State still has the best player in the conference.

As I watched Sundell back down a TCU player for the 20th time last night in the fourth quarter I found myself thinking that the TCU coach must be a ginormous dumbass to not do something - anything! - to stop it. You've got a 6-foot-7 shot blocker guarding non-offensive threats at the the three-point line while Sundell just keeps backing down players and scoring. Why even guard Maupin/Taylor/Lester/Sanchez out there? Sanchez can hit the 3, but she's under 30% for the year, so maybe take your chances there. Or, throw out a 2-3 zone and take your chances with KSU shooting 3s. Do SOMETHING.

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« Reply #2386 on: February 06, 2025, 09:13:10 AM »
Crazy stats in this game...

10 ksu offensive rebounds... zero second chance points

20 layup/point blank attempts for ksu... 10 misses

5 3-pt makes for ksu... haven't had fewer than 8 in more than a month

I still have awful flashbacks about Mittie's coaching, but he ran circles around TCU with both his offensive and defensive game plans.

We make 5 more of those bunnies and we win by 20... without Yoki.

The second half (other than that one stretch to start the 4th), just felt like Sundell decided to make sure everyone knew that even with Yoki is out, K-State still has the best player in the conference.

As I watched Sundell back down a TCU player for the 20th time last night in the fourth quarter I found myself thinking that the TCU coach must be a ginormous dumbass to not do something - anything! - to stop it. You've got a 6-foot-7 shot blocker guarding non-offensive threats at the the three-point line while Sundell just keeps backing down players and scoring. Why even guard Maupin/Taylor/Lester/Sanchez out there? Sanchez can hit the 3, but she's under 30% for the year, so maybe take your chances there. Or, throw out a 2-3 zone and take your chances with KSU shooting 3s. Do SOMETHING.
Watched the replay this morning, was very comical. Love that we have the confidence to back anyone down in the paint. Also very funny as a head coach that you are just sitting there dumbfounded like “well we can’t do anything, looks like we will just sit here and take it!”


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Re: ksu ladycats
« Reply #2387 on: February 06, 2025, 10:56:48 AM »
I appreciate the Sundell post-ups and most of our offense to Lee for it's effectiveness and simplicity.  Nobody is trying to be clever, we're just here for the points.

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« Reply #2388 on: February 06, 2025, 01:29:07 PM »
Sides dropping a 'too small' celebration after one of Sundell's finishes over Van Lith was amaze

Haha I missed that. You have to think that as a competitor, all the HVL hype has to bother Serena. She nor anyone else from K-State has won even a weekly conference award yet. Hell Addy Brown was co player of the week for last week after going 0-2. If they are playing with a chip on their shoulders, and frankly they should, that's great. Edge has been missing from this program for a long time.

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« Reply #2389 on: February 06, 2025, 01:45:06 PM »
Y'all should watch again, they weren't just beasting Serena in the post, except for when HVL switched onto her, but Mittie ran several unique different sets to isolate her and try to mitigate help coming. You can see this the best on the last three that Poindexter hit, that was designed to give TCU a choice, they decided to double and Poindexter hit what was the game winning dagger. TCU had every reason to be worried about Serena passing out of doubles, if you go back and look at previous games, she's looking to do that more often than not, but the last two or three games she's been so unstoppable in the post, primarily because we have three dead eye shooters on the perimeter, and teams don't want to leave them. Even Gis, whose minutes last night drove me bat crap, has been 7-18 the last 7 games, that's 39%.

Another Serena post iso that I loved was one in the fourth quarter, the double did come from Prince and Serena went to Prince to get the shot off. She missed it but I think it goes to what her mentality was last night.

The best part about this new found pressing style and isolating Serena is that these two things can continue after Ayoka returns. The post iso will be a little more complicated, but they can just pull Ayoka to the opposite high post. They actually compliment each other very well in a double post because Serena prefers to work on the left side and Ayoka prefers the left.

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« Reply #2390 on: February 06, 2025, 07:25:47 PM »
Y'all should watch again, they weren't just beasting Serena in the post, except for when HVL switched onto her, but Mittie ran several unique different sets to isolate her and try to mitigate help coming. You can see this the best on the last three that Poindexter hit, that was designed to give TCU a choice, they decided to double and Poindexter hit what was the game winning dagger. TCU had every reason to be worried about Serena passing out of doubles, if you go back and look at previous games, she's looking to do that more often than not, but the last two or three games she's been so unstoppable in the post, primarily because we have three dead eye shooters on the perimeter, and teams don't want to leave them. Even Gis, whose minutes last night drove me bat crap, has been 7-18 the last 7 games, that's 39%.

Another Serena post iso that I loved was one in the fourth quarter, the double did come from Prince and Serena went to Prince to get the shot off. She missed it but I think it goes to what her mentality was last night.

The best part about this new found pressing style and isolating Serena is that these two things can continue after Ayoka returns. The post iso will be a little more complicated, but they can just pull Ayoka to the opposite high post. They actually compliment each other very well in a double post because Serena prefers to work on the left side and Ayoka prefers the left.

In the third quarter, K-State ran sets on 13 possessions (not counting transition possessions, etc.). Of those, KSU ran iso on 6 possessions. Of those, 5 were Sundell (the other was Sanchez). TCU made zero attempt to double on all 6 possessions regardless of who was guarding Sundell. KSU scored on 5 of those possessions (4 for Sundell).

In the fourth quarter, not counting the final minute when the game was over, KSU ran sets on 12 possessions. Of those, KSU ran iso 8 times (8 of the last 9 possessions). Of those, 7 were Sundell (1 was Poindexter). Of those isos that were in the paint, TCU made zero attempts to double team. One was outside of the paint and Sundell passed it out to Poindexter for a made 3 after the double came. The other was a flukey play were Sanchez nearly turned the ball over, Sundell picked it up in the lane, started to iso and because Prince hadn’t followed Sanchez out to the corner, she did run toward Sundell before Sundell kicked it out to Sanchez for a made corner 3-pointer (doesn’t count as an intentional double team in my book).

So, to recap, in the second half:

25 KSU possessions with sets
14 isos (all within the last 20 possessions when sets were run)
0 double teams on isos in the paint (unless you count the flukey unintentional double team)
1 double team on iso outside of the paint
12 made baskets (9 by Sundell)


In all of these cases, it didn't matter who was guarding Sundell - the tactic was the same. In nearly every case, Sundell either posted up in the paint or posted just outside the paint (to your point - mostly on the left side/lower block) and then backed down her defender (leaving ample time to double). Yes, Mittie ran some different actions to get her into those iso spots, but I don't think we're talking Tex Winter stuff there.

If you want to give credit to TCU for being in a tough spot, that's certainly fine. Given that KSU entered the game after being on fire against KU, defending the 3 makes sense.

I think the point being made was that KSU essentially kept doing the same thing over and over and TCU didn't change their approach, switch things up, etc. after they were getting destroyed and that the decision by TCU was probably a bad choice.

I do agree on the prospects for the offense was Lee's back - we'll be awfully tough to defend with this dedication to running these sets.

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« Reply #2391 on: February 06, 2025, 08:04:40 PM »
nice work on the analysis, KitH


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« Reply #2392 on: February 06, 2025, 10:20:22 PM »
Y'all should watch again, they weren't just beasting Serena in the post, except for when HVL switched onto her, but Mittie ran several unique different sets to isolate her and try to mitigate help coming. You can see this the best on the last three that Poindexter hit, that was designed to give TCU a choice, they decided to double and Poindexter hit what was the game winning dagger. TCU had every reason to be worried about Serena passing out of doubles, if you go back and look at previous games, she's looking to do that more often than not, but the last two or three games she's been so unstoppable in the post, primarily because we have three dead eye shooters on the perimeter, and teams don't want to leave them. Even Gis, whose minutes last night drove me bat crap, has been 7-18 the last 7 games, that's 39%.

Another Serena post iso that I loved was one in the fourth quarter, the double did come from Prince and Serena went to Prince to get the shot off. She missed it but I think it goes to what her mentality was last night.

The best part about this new found pressing style and isolating Serena is that these two things can continue after Ayoka returns. The post iso will be a little more complicated, but they can just pull Ayoka to the opposite high post. They actually compliment each other very well in a double post because Serena prefers to work on the left side and Ayoka prefers the left.

In the third quarter, K-State ran sets on 13 possessions (not counting transition possessions, etc.). Of those, KSU ran iso on 6 possessions. Of those, 5 were Sundell (the other was Sanchez). TCU made zero attempt to double on all 6 possessions regardless of who was guarding Sundell. KSU scored on 5 of those possessions (4 for Sundell).

In the fourth quarter, not counting the final minute when the game was over, KSU ran sets on 12 possessions. Of those, KSU ran iso 8 times (8 of the last 9 possessions). Of those, 7 were Sundell (1 was Poindexter). Of those isos that were in the paint, TCU made zero attempts to double team. One was outside of the paint and Sundell passed it out to Poindexter for a made 3 after the double came. The other was a flukey play were Sanchez nearly turned the ball over, Sundell picked it up in the lane, started to iso and because Prince hadn’t followed Sanchez out to the corner, she did run toward Sundell before Sundell kicked it out to Sanchez for a made corner 3-pointer (doesn’t count as an intentional double team in my book).

So, to recap, in the second half:

25 KSU possessions with sets
14 isos (all within the last 20 possessions when sets were run)
0 double teams on isos in the paint (unless you count the flukey unintentional double team)
1 double team on iso outside of the paint
12 made baskets (9 by Sundell)


In all of these cases, it didn't matter who was guarding Sundell - the tactic was the same. In nearly every case, Sundell either posted up in the paint or posted just outside the paint (to your point - mostly on the left side/lower block) and then backed down her defender (leaving ample time to double). Yes, Mittie ran some different actions to get her into those iso spots, but I don't think we're talking Tex Winter stuff there.

If you want to give credit to TCU for being in a tough spot, that's certainly fine. Given that KSU entered the game after being on fire against KU, defending the 3 makes sense.

I think the point being made was that KSU essentially kept doing the same thing over and over and TCU didn't change their approach, switch things up, etc. after they were getting destroyed and that the decision by TCU was probably a bad choice.

I do agree on the prospects for the offense was Lee's back - we'll be awfully tough to defend with this dedication to running these sets.

Great analysis and film review.

I wasn't saying they weren't doubling, I was saying they weren't willing to because they didn't want to give up open 3s and considering one of the times that they did, they gave up a huge open 3 it's kind of hard to fault them. If the metrics say you're better off taking 3s than lower percentage 2s, I don't think it's far fetched to coach your team to defend that way when you're playing a team that hits a good percentage of them, playing at home. In this case you have a point guard playing in the post when you have the nations leader in shot blocks. If Prince gets one or two of those, you'd think that K-State changes posting Sundell up, but that never came. I think that's a credit to Sundell for morphing into Hakeem Olajuwon. It was just a week ago that we blew a 7 point lead in two minutes against Iowa State doing the very same thing, they absolutely saw that on film. I think they really put Campbell in a tough spot and Serena's execution, when she failed the last time we tried that, was the take away for me, more than their unwillingness or inability to stop what she was doing.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out if we see them again in Kansas City.

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« Reply #2393 on: February 07, 2025, 01:12:39 PM »
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« Reply #2394 on: February 08, 2025, 02:23:50 PM »
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« Reply #2395 on: February 08, 2025, 02:35:43 PM »
Ran into a well-rested buzz saw today

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« Reply #2396 on: February 08, 2025, 03:04:44 PM »
just switched over and yikes


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« Reply #2397 on: February 08, 2025, 03:08:24 PM »
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« Reply #2398 on: February 08, 2025, 09:43:14 PM »
So... moving past the colossal crap show today (has a top 15 ever been down by nearly 40 points in a game ever - thanks to Iowa State earlier this year, we can be sure we aren't the only ones!).

We have two sleepwalk games in the next week (@Cincy, vs. UCF) and then what is probably going to be a tough turnaround from playing at home vs. UCF next Saturday to playing @WVU at 1 p.m. on President's Day. That's going to be a tough one.

Right now, it's a 3-way tie at 10-2 for first (us, TCU, Baylor). After WVU, we have KU, Baylor & @ISU. Baylor has a tough schedule as well (WVU, ISU, KSU, TCU) with TCU in the best position with only two decent opponents left (WVU & Baylor). That CU loss might end up costing us the title unless we can beat WVU.

Don't want to kick someone when they're down, but Walker has got to play better. She's down to 34% from the field, 16%(!) from 3 and 50% from the line in Big 12 play. When you're the No. 3 shot taker on the team, you've got to shoot better.

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« Reply #2399 on: February 10, 2025, 04:07:04 PM »