Fire LHC Bill Snyder Master Thread

[MakeItRain]

Kinda like the guy that doesn't vote and then bitches about the president?  Common thread among retards.

wut

This is about your constant contradictions and inability to admit you're wrong.  You took a strong stance more than once about your expectations, they didn't match up.  I didn't make a prediction because I had no idea what to expect from the team or the opponents.  You should take my cue and occasionally shut up, thankfully for the entertainment of the board you won't. 

So are you relieved that the season is disappointing since you didn't buy in, or are you upset that the hall of fame coach isn't going to be 8-4 nor pick up a win against a bcs team with a winning record?  Considering everyone who didn't expect 8-4 are "bitches" I'm going to guess the latter.

[jtksu]

We could well end up @ 8-5, about what I predicted.  Obviously I did buy into the team a bit, hence the predicted record.  Thanks for spending so much of your time on the f-ball board worrying about me though.  And the majority of this aren't actually bitches, I just like to ruffle people's feathers.  You, on the other hand, are most definitely a bitch in every sense of the word.  My bitch.  Don't say nothin, just bite the pillow.

[seattlecat]

Sorry, not saying there are no answers.  Just wondering what people think are the best guys out there.  I keep wracking my brain and am only coming up with Leavitt and Venables. . 

[jtksu]

Think it was Michigancat that posted some nice candidates earlier in this thread. 

[Stupid Fitz]

Guys, first post after leaving the octogenarian confines of the scout board.  Seems to me the biggest issue for most fans is that, outwardly, we seem to have absolutely no long-term head coaching plan, and we're seriously worried there isn't anyone coming.  At this point, I don't think firing Snyder is the answer, but who do we realistically think could come in and work long-term?  Who wants to?  I'm of the opinion there are only a couple coaches in the entire country who could put us at the top of the new Big 12, and we aren't getting them.  Seriously, long-term, who do you want to lead us and what is our ceiling? 

Believe it or not, there will be qualified candidates interested in the head coaching position here when Snyder is gone.

Key phrase.  Problem is, I am afraid he will either never leave or try and have input on the new coach.  I want him and his cronies as far away from the process as possible. 

[steve dave]

I've heard rumblings that Currie isn't going to let him have any input whatsoever in the next coaching hire.  Which is another reason I like the crap out of Currie. 

[michigancat]

Jesus Christ, this "oh, no, what if we're worse" attitude just pisses me the eff off.  News flash people, we rough ridin' suck.  Oh, great we got to a bowl.  You know how many BCS schools are ineligible for a bowl right now?  TWELVE.  Whoopdy rough ridin' doo, we got to a bowl, something 4 out of 5 BCS teams have accomplished. 

[Stupid Fitz]

Jesus Christ, this "oh, no, what if we're worse" attitude just pisses me the eff off.  News flash people, we rough ridin' suck.  Oh, great we got to a bowl.  You know how many BCS schools are ineligible for a bowl right now?  TWELVE.  Whoopdy rough ridin' doo, we got to a bowl, something 4 out of 5 BCS teams have accomplished. 

Mods, please pin this post and ban anyone that thinks it is an accomplishment to beat a bunch of crapity teams to become bowl eligible. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I've heard rumblings that Currie isn't going to let him have any input whatsoever in the next coaching hire.  Which is another reason I like the crap out of Currie. 

How much money does Currie make? What are the odds that Currie takes a better offer at another school before we get rid of Snyder?

[Stupid Fitz]

I've heard rumblings that Currie isn't going to let him have any input whatsoever in the next coaching hire.  Which is another reason I like the crap out of Currie. 

How much money does Currie make? What are the odds that Currie takes a better offer at another school before we get rid of Snyder?

AD Old Ballz BS 

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.

When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now...   

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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.

When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now...   

I feel like we have nothing now.  Nothing accomplished, and no direction.  Everyone sucking each other's dicks over being bowl-eligible is depressing.

I don't think we can wait until we KNOW that we've got a coach who's been contending for a spot in the national championship the past 2 years ready to come to Manhattan.  Let's just have a job opening and competently interview candidates.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.

When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now...   

I am pretty sure that if another coach put out the performance that we have gotten this year, most of our fans would want him fired. Why should Snyder get special treatment? There are a ton of coaches we could get who would win 6-7 games per year at K-State because winning 6 games is just not impressive.

[michigancat]

I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.

You'll never be 100% sure that the next guy will improve on what you have now.  Even getting better under Patterson wouldn't be a 100% guarantee.  The difference is that with a guy like Fedora or Mahlzan, you at least have a chance at something better (and potentially great), even if there is a risk that it could get worse.  (Although there is not much room to get worse).

I mean, if our ceiling is 7 goddam wins, we should have joined the MWC when we had the chance.

I don't think we can wait until we KNOW that we've got a coach who's been contending for a spot in the national championship the past 2 years ready to come to Manhattan.  Let's just have a job opening and competently interview candidates.

Exactly.

[Saulbadguy]

The first "The NIT would be okay" post? 

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The first "The NIT would be okay" post? 

Every pro-OB post has been a "The NIT is okay" post.

[michigancat]

I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.

When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now...  

I am pretty sure that if another coach put out the performance that we have gotten this year, most of our fans would want him fired. Why should Snyder get special treatment? There are a ton of coaches we could get who would win 6-7 games per year at K-State because winning 6 games is just not impressive.

Actually, if Snyder was 20 years younger and didn't completely suck for two straight recruiting classes, I wouldn't be that upset with the results this season.  He will be 80 (roughly) by the time his first decent class is seniors (assuming this class ends up decent).  Then what?  At least with a younger coach you could have the illusion that a program is being built.  We are building nothing with Bill..

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I think I'll have time on Friday before the hoops game that night.  Iron-on Fire Snyder shirts for Trim and goEMAW kid Cole?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.

When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now...  

I am pretty sure that if another coach put out the performance that we have gotten this year, most of our fans would want him fired. Why should Snyder get special treatment? There are a ton of coaches we could get who would win 6-7 games per year at K-State because winning 6 games is just not impressive.

Actually, if Snyder was 20 years younger and didn't completely suck for two straight recruiting classes, I wouldn't be that upset with the results this season.  He will be 80 (roughly) by the time his first decent class is seniors (assuming this class ends up decent).  Then what?  At least with a younger coach you could have the illusion that a program is being built.  We are building nothing with Bill..

I would be more than willing to see what a younger coach could do in his 3rd year (I'm actually willing to give Snyder another year), but right now Snyder is probably only going to have one more win than Ron Prince did in his first 2 seasons. I know a lot of people who wanted Ron fired after his second year.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

The first "The NIT would be okay" post? 

If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that.  In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.

Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve.  I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.

[michigancat]

The first "The NIT would be okay" post? 

If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that.  In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.

If Pinkel beats KU or wins a bowl game, that will be 10+ wins in 3 out of 4 years.

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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?  

If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that.  In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.

Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve.  I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.

NIT is being bowl-eligible and going to the 1 or 2 lowest -tier bowls the big 12 has ties too.

[Saulbadguy]

Well, i'll throw my hat in the ring with my first "NIT is okay" post.

I'd like to see what Snyder can do next year.  Recruiting/transferring looks to be pretty good.  I'm willing to sit through one more year (or at least half a year) of this before I go in to full meltdown mode.  I was willing to give Prince 2.5 years so I'd think it would be fair to offer Old Balls the same.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The first "The NIT would be okay" post?  

If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that.  In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.

Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve.  I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.

NIT is being bowl-eligible and going to the 1 or 2 lowest -tier bowls the big 12 has ties too.

I actually think the NIT is more impressive than this.

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Well, i'll throw my hat in the ring with my first "NIT is okay" post.

I'd like to see what Snyder can do next year.  Recruiting/transferring looks to be pretty good.  I'm willing to sit through one more year (or at least half a year) of this before I go in to full meltdown mode.  I was willing to give Prince 2.5 years so I'd think it would be fair to offer Old Balls the same.

The problem is that had RP not sucked and shown himself in his 3rd year, he'd be a young coach with a bright future.  If OB shows himself next year, then what?