Fire LHC Bill Snyder Master Thread

[jtksu]

10 pt loss @ the #17 team is something Ron would not have done.  (Texas ownership aside.). And Nubb is great when the Mexican is healthy.

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10 pt loss @ the #17 team is something Ron would not have done.  (Texas ownership aside.). And Nubb is great when the Mexican is healthy.

9/1/2007*   6:45 p.m.   at #18 Auburn      Jordan-Hare Stadium • Auburn, AL   ESPN   L 13-23     86,439

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10/13/2007   6:05 p.m.   at Oklahoma State   #25   Boone Pickens Stadium • Stillwater, OK   None   L 31-41     41,725

[jtksu]

Guess Chings isn't good with math.  17<18 and 17>25.  Lol Chings not being able to count to 25.

[jtksu]

Holy crap-  the reason for shittiness of the CPU is suddenly so obvious.  Lol!!

[CHONGS]

so it your point is ONLY relevant for games when we played the EXACTLY RANKED #17 team on the road?  How many times did Ron Prince even play in a game like that?

[mcmwcat]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.

With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.

most amazing post of the most amazing thread of the year

[Saulbadguy]

Recruiting/transferring is better under LHC Bill Snyder.

[jtksu]

I said Ronny never beat a #17 team on the road.  (Outside of Texas.). You countered with results against a #18 and a #25.  I could see if the results had been from games against teams ranked higher than #17.  Why didn't you include every road win against every team?  I mean, an unranked team is lower than a #17 team, right?  Why stop at 25?

[CHONGS]

I said Ronny never beat a #17 team on the road.  (Outside of Texas.). You countered with results against a #18 and a #25.  I could see if the results had been from games against teams ranked higher than #17.  Why didn't you include every road win against every team?  I mean, an unranked team is lower than a #17 team, right?  Why stop at 25?

10 pt loss @ the #17 team is something Ron would not have done.  (Texas ownership aside.). And Nubb is great when the Mexican is healthy.

  I guess I don't see the huge difference between losing to the #18 and #17 team?  Sorry I just don't!

[jtksu]

Once again, I see whuy the CPU is such a POS.  What's one ranking mean, right?

[Cire]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.

With all due respect, this is a horsecac basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the cactyness of KU during their tenures.

most amazing post of the most amazing thread of the year

KU is the measuring stick for 97% of the fanbase, and 100% of the fanbase that has the AD's ear.

[jtksu]

Pretty sure we're the only team in the country that measures overall success with win/losses against their rival.  KSU is such a POS program.  rough ridin' embarrassing to even consider myself a fan these days.

[EMAFW]

Pretty sure we're the only team in the country that measures overall success with win/losses against their rival.  KSU is such a POS program.  rough ridin' embarrassing to even consider myself a fan these days.

please stop being a fan. we all rough ridin' hate you and your neverending shitty posts anyway.

[swish1]

LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad.  RP got fired.

didnt snyder beat ku?  i dont remember ron prince doing that....

[Farley Grudge]

LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad.  RP got fired.

didnt snyder beat ku?  i dont remember ron prince doing that....

Point Plank'r.

[catzacker]

I dunno Rusty.  Maybe you could ask one of the gazillion people involved with college football (who actually get paid to cover the sport) that consider him to be one of the finest coaches ever?  Sorry, bro, but a guy that hasn't said a positive anything about anything KSU football related since 2003 isn't exactly an unbiased source on Snyder.  But I suppose all those people are wrong, have been wrong for over a decade, and you just uncovered one of the biggest conpsiracies in college football history?  Either that or you're just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Yes.  they are wrong.  "Bill was a "great" coach when he had the bob stoops (left after '95), Leavitt (left after '95), M. Stoops, Venables, Mangino (all left after '98).  Once those guys were out of the system and the residual effects of those coaches and their recruiting wore off, and the retards that Snyder replaced those guys with (who we basically have on the staff now) got ahold of the program, bill's "coaching" came shining through with those awesome '04, '05 seasons...and followed up by '09 and this season.  

You can't simply dismiss '04 and '05 and just start counting from last year.  I'm taking into account the previous years prior to '04/'05 and giving you a reason for the success and the reason for the failure.  You're simply saying "hey geyse, we were good because of snyder", without even thinking about why were good when we were good.  It wasn't just about Bill.  He didn't do it alone and can't do it alone.  And he got a "do-over" yet he still brought back those cacty coaches.

[Pexikan]

I'm assuming that we can't keep decent coordinators around for very long any more because of LHC Bill Snyder.  Andy Ludwig got just a taste of Bill and chose to go to Cal, after only 2 months here, and for the same exact position he took here.  Tards thought OB just wanted to look at his playbook. Yeah, right. The guy bolted because Snyder is hard to work with.

Vic Koenning turned our defense around. 118th ranked total defense is what he inherited. In only one season, we jumped like 80 spots defensively. I don't know what went on behind closed doors, but Vic left very quickly to take a full-time defensive coordinator job at Illinois, Cosh then becomes full-time defensive coordinator here, and now we suck again. Hmmm.....IMO, either Koenning wanted more than he was getting, or Snyder believed Cosh was better. Who knows??

These examples really piss me the eff off.  As long as OB's around, the future of our program is being held hostage.

[jtksu]

Pretty clear the Zacker is about 19 yrs old and the other guy is Mexican.  Possibly an illegal Mexican.

[WillieWatanabe]

Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.

[kso_FAN]

Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.

Minds are made up on Snyder.  It is what it is, I can understand the frustration.

[GoodForAnother]

ksu fans 

[kso_FAN]

With all due respect, this is a horsecac basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the cactyness of KU during their tenures.

This isn't my basis long term of a good football program, but given K-State football since 2004, it was a step I wanted to see.  I don't think that's a poor evaluation given the talent level of our program. You've got to start by beating the .500 or worse teams, teams with similar or worse talent, before you move on to bigger and better things. JMHO.

[catzacker]

Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.

are you f'ing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?  because I don't want a punch in the gut doesn't mean I want a punch in the nuts.  i want a good coach with good assistants and if possible, I'd like for that coach not to use as a recruiting tool for everyone else that he's not sure when he's going to retire but he won't be doing this too long. 

[michigancat]

You've got to start by beating the .500 or worse teams, teams with similar or worse talent, before you move on to bigger and better things. JMHO.

I'm pretty sure Ron was doing that when we fired him.