Fire LHC Bill Snyder Master Thread

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This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable. 

This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.

The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year. 

Death?

[steve dave]

This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable. 

This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.

The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year. 

Death?

We would get an amazing College Gameday video

[jtksu]

Marrone is 7-3 with 2 wins over FCS teams.  How exactly is that much better than where we are?  And the Big East rough ridin' sucks.  While we were playing Mizzou they were playing Rutgers.

[doom]

Marrone is 7-3 with 2 wins over FCS teams.  How exactly is that much better than where we are?  And the Big East effing sucks.  While we were playing Mizzou they were playing Rutgers.

The point is he took a shitty team out of absolute crap.  Warranted the Big East is garbage this year.

[chunkles]

The real problem that we both seem to be squabbling over is the complete lack of a direction for the program.

LHC Bill Snyder has his name on the stadium.  Prince was a terrible coach, but LHC Bill Snyder did him no favors during his time here.  Further, Bill has people inside the athletic department (it starts with his son) that he has chosen to protect and elevate to an "untouchable" status.  He backed up his word by stepping down on this front.

LHC Bill Snyder's age is no secret, and if he tells the truth as much as Leland, he is here to "calm the waters" and then dock his boat.  This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.  What the hell is a yes/no benchmark for whether Bill gets to say.  As sick as it is, only he could set the terms at the outset and I know of nothing that would change that outside of KU getting better.  We have created a situation where we feel so beholden to Bill, that we have sacrificed any planning for the future to live in a kind of nihilist nostalgia.  There is no plan.  There is no planning, because Bill is once again at the helm and he will remain there until he decides he will leave or until he is forced out by the powers that be.

Bill was the head coach during a wonderful time for many of us.  He did some amazing things and he deserves recognition and praise for the accomplishments that he guided the team to.

But the myopic worship of Bill will prevent any semblance of proportionality, and make no mistake, the history has already been written.  Any facts past or present to the contrary are dismissed because they do not fit the narrative.

What is there to root for at this juncure?  I am in no position to know.  If we can leverage a consistent bowl team in to a good hire, then that would be for the best and would be great.  If we lose and Bill retires I don't know the outcome would be much different.  Ultimately, Mr. Currie will have to stand up to Bill and Jack to make a decision that is best for the University.

But I won't send my money to support this quagmire.  Snyder has been very selfish towards the end of his career.  I don't think that he has put Kansas State first, I think he has placed his ego ahead.  I know that he missed the game, that he heard from his friends and his colleagues and that he thought he was doing what was right.  But Kansas State needs to move on.  I don't know how much longer Bill can coach, but unless there is a legitimate Head Coach in Waiting brought in for next year, then this miserable slog will march on.  With everyone lying to themselves and hoping for what once was.  If Bill wins 10 games it would be wonderful. 

But then what would we say when he asked for more time?  Or if he demands that his son stay on to transition the program over?  Or if he wants to bring in an old friend for the job because he "understands what it takes?"

The divorce needs to happen because Kansas State Football can no longer be synonymous with LHC Bill Snyder.  For both our sakes.  Here's hoping it is amicable for both parties.  Relax Bill, you've earned it.

DID READ

[Kat Kid]

This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.  

This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.

The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year.  If you do, your recruiting is DOA.  But Bill's kind of said that he was just here to calm the waters and he's old balls, so he kind of mumped himself that way, too.

What Bill is doing right now is not any better than what a ton of coaches 20-30 years younger could have done.  The differences is with those guys, you can have a REAL long term system in place.   With Bill, we're 2-3 years from Prince 2.0, (which, luckily, is only slightly shittier than what we have now).  That is my number one issue with Bill.


As for the 2 year thing, take a look at guys like Doug Marrone and Dan Mullen.   Both took over crap jobs and have easily passed Bill.

Meh, you can be really coy about it.  Like everyone thought with Koenning before he was run off.

[fatty fat fat]

The real problem that we both seem to be squabbling over is the complete lack of a direction for the program.

LHC Bill Snyder has his name on the stadium.  Prince was a terrible coach, but LHC Bill Snyder did him no favors during his time here.  Further, Bill has people inside the athletic department (it starts with his son) that he has chosen to protect and elevate to an "untouchable" status.  He backed up his word by stepping down on this front.

LHC Bill Snyder's age is no secret, and if he tells the truth as much as Leland, he is here to "calm the waters" and then dock his boat.  This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.  What the hell is a yes/no benchmark for whether Bill gets to say.  As sick as it is, only he could set the terms at the outset and I know of nothing that would change that outside of KU getting better.  We have created a situation where we feel so beholden to Bill, that we have sacrificed any planning for the future to live in a kind of nihilist nostalgia.  There is no plan.  There is no planning, because Bill is once again at the helm and he will remain there until he decides he will leave or until he is forced out by the powers that be.

Bill was the head coach during a wonderful time for many of us.  He did some amazing things and he deserves recognition and praise for the accomplishments that he guided the team to.

But the myopic worship of Bill will prevent any semblance of proportionality, and make no mistake, the history has already been written.  Any facts past or present to the contrary are dismissed because they do not fit the narrative.

What is there to root for at this juncure?  I am in no position to know.  If we can leverage a consistent bowl team in to a good hire, then that would be for the best and would be great.  If we lose and Bill retires I don't know the outcome would be much different.  Ultimately, Mr. Currie will have to stand up to Bill and Jack to make a decision that is best for the University.

But I won't send my money to support this quagmire.  Snyder has been very selfish towards the end of his career.  I don't think that he has put Kansas State first, I think he has placed his ego ahead.  I know that he missed the game, that he heard from his friends and his colleagues and that he thought he was doing what was right.  But Kansas State needs to move on.  I don't know how much longer Bill can coach, but unless there is a legitimate Head Coach in Waiting brought in for next year, then this miserable slog will march on.  With everyone lying to themselves and hoping for what once was.  If Bill wins 10 games it would be wonderful. 

But then what would we say when he asked for more time?  Or if he demands that his son stay on to transition the program over?  Or if he wants to bring in an old friend for the job because he "understands what it takes?"

The divorce needs to happen because Kansas State Football can no longer be synonymous with LHC Bill Snyder.  For both our sakes.  Here's hoping it is amicable for both parties.  Relax Bill, you've earned it.

LSAT

[sonofdaxjones]

UPKS is getting his new Presidential Suite even if someone has to die.   If someone does have to die, lets make sure our resident powerespect is at the top of the list.


I am not worried that Snyder will be asked to move on sooner rather than later if things quit progressing entirely.   The number of large donors they are going after far exceeds simply picking up the phone and calling Jack Vanier . . .  Schulz has opened it up to everyone. 

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Douche Cats.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2670&t=6711870

[OK_Cat]

Douche Cats.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2670&t=6711870

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.

With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.

I would add @Baylor, @NU during Callahan's last year, @Fresno State, and @Louisville. All of these games were on the road, but all of those teams were terrible, and they all blew us out. For me, the most frustrating thing about watching Ron Prince's teams were that his defense always sucked and he did nothing offensively to control the tempo of the game and help them out.

LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.

[kso_FAN]

LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.

Next year will be interesting, the schedule will be tough.

2011 K-State Football Schedule
September 3   Eastern Kentucky    Manhattan, Kan.
September 10  Open
September 17  Kent State          Manhattan, Kan.
September 24  at Miami            Dolphins Stadium, Miami, Fla.
October 1     Baylor*             Manhattan, Kan.
October 8     Missouri*           Manhattan, Kan.
October 15    at Texas Tech*      Lubbock, Texas
October 22    at Kansas*          Lawrence, Kan.
October 29    Oklahoma*           Manhattan, Kan.
November 5    at Oklahoma State*  Stillwater, Okla.
November 12   Texas A&M*          Manhattan, Kan.
November 19   at Texas*           Austin, Texas
November 26   Iowa State*         Manhattan, Kan.

8 wins will be a good season.  In fact, back to back 8 win regular seasons/bowl appearances and a roster in much better shape would be a great way to hand over the reigns to the next guy.

[felix rex]

It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.

[kso_FAN]

It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.

Agreed.

[felix rex]

8 wins will be a good season.  In fact, back to back 8 win regular seasons/bowl appearances and a roster in much better shape would be a great way to hand over the reigns to the next guy.

I was thinking the same thing. In 2011, we'd conceivably have a solid group of upperclassmen who have been grayshirted/redshirted, a senior QB in Tuggle and a redshirt soph QB in Sams. Seems like a good team to hand it off.

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.

We are with LHC Bill Snyder as head coach. I want to be a 10-11 win program like we used to be, and if it takes a different coach, so be it.

[mcmwcat]

it's wierd to think a legendary hall of fame coach would shart himself on the sideline costing his team a chance at a 9 win season.

[Rage Against the McKee]

it's wierd to think a legendary hall of fame coach would shart himself on the sideline costing his team a chance at a 9 win season.

We still can win 9 games this season. I don't think anybody is counting bowl games toward win totals. I know we haven't played in them for a while, but JFC, guys, they count.

[kso_FAN]

It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.

We are with LHC Bill Snyder as head coach. I want to be a 10-11 win program like we used to be, and if it takes a different coach, so be it.

It will take a different coach and a heck of a lot of things coming together for this to happen again.  Its only going to be more difficult in the new Big 12 as well.  I would love for this to happen, but I don't know if 93-03 level football will ever happen again at K-State, at least not under the current college football establishment.

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.

We are with LHC Bill Snyder as head coach. I want to be a 10-11 win program like we used to be, and if it takes a different coach, so be it.

It will take a different coach and a heck of a lot of things coming together for this to happen again.  Its only going to be more difficult in the new Big 12 as well.  I would love for this to happen, but I don't know if 93-03 level football will ever happen again at K-State, at least not under the current college football establishment.

Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.

[michigancat]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.

With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.

I would add @Baylor, @NU during Callahan's last year, @Fresno State, and @Louisville. All of these games were on the road, but all of those teams were terrible, and they all blew us out. For me, the most frustrating thing about watching Ron Prince's teams were that his defense always sucked and he did nothing offensively to control the tempo of the game and help them out.

Fresno State was a 9-4 team.  Can't count that.  @NU?  We should win?  Really?  

@UL was no worse than @UCLA, @BU involved a true freshman getting thrown to the wolves in the second half, and is clearly no worse than @ULL.

LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.

I would like him to just step down.  Unfortunately, I think he will stay until he dies and happily drive the program into the ground in an effort to cement his "only I can win here" status.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win.  I think he's done that.

With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation.  You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win.  (@ISU)

The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.

I would add @Baylor, @NU during Callahan's last year, @Fresno State, and @Louisville. All of these games were on the road, but all of those teams were terrible, and they all blew us out. For me, the most frustrating thing about watching Ron Prince's teams were that his defense always sucked and he did nothing offensively to control the tempo of the game and help them out.

Fresno State was a 9-4 teamfrom the WAC.  Can't count that.  @NU?  We should win?  Really? Everyone else did. 

@UL was no worse than @UCLA agreed, I never said losing at UCLA was acceptable, @BU involved a true freshman getting thrown to the wolves in the second half, and is clearly no worse than @ULL.No worse, but not any better.

LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.

I would like him to just step down.  Unfortunately, I think he will stay until he dies and happily drive the program into the ground in an effort to cement his "only I can win here" status.

[kso_FAN]

Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.

What makes you think this? 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.

What makes you think this? 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.

I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.

[CNS]

Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.

What makes you think this? 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.

I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.

You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?