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Massa Self does it again
« on: February 05, 2010, 01:06:51 PM »
His unbelievable ability at taking lottery talents and turning them into 4-year players strikes again!

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=5572606

What cracks me up is all their fans assume the guy is going to be around another season or 3 and think nothing of it ... and they're of course right because Self ruins careers.

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« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 01:13:29 PM by weird roberts foam finger »
"It could be best for his family for Cole to come back." -- Bill Self, NBA career killer

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 01:09:41 PM »
unbelievable.  what a slave driver.

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 01:23:46 PM »
How many times have we've seen this before? :opcat:

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 01:37:44 PM »
Who is a worse parent, Carl Henry or Toni Mitchell's mom?

I'd say Carl Henry because look at what Cal is letting Wall do.  He has basically turned him into the #1 overall pick. 

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 02:17:30 PM »
I don't see Wally Judge anywhere on this list.  Obviously Frank ruins 5-star recruits.



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   Nets    John Wall PG
Kentucky, Freshman
2   Timberwolves    Evan Turner SG/SF
Ohio State, Junior
3   Warriors    Derrick Favors PF/C
Georgia Tech, Freshman
4   Wizards    DeMarcus Cousins C
Kentucky, Freshman
5   76ers    Ed Davis PF
North Carolina, Sophomore
6   Pistons    Al-Farouq Aminu SF/PF
Wake Forest, Sophomore
7   Kings    Cole Aldrich C
Kansas, Junior

8   Pacers    Wesley Johnson SF/PF
Syracuse, Junior
9   Jazz    Patrick Patterson PF
Kentucky, Junior
10   Bucks    Willie Warren SG
Oklahoma, Sophomore
11   Clippers    Donatas Motiejunas PF/C
Benetton Treviso, International
12   Bulls    Stanley Robinson SF/PF
Connecticut, Senior
13   Timberwolves    Ekpe Udoh PF/C
Baylor, Junior
14   Raptors    Xavier Henry SG
Kansas, Freshma
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15   Heat    Elias Harris SF/PF
Gonzaga, Freshman
16   Rockets    Greg Monroe PF/C
Georgetown, Sophomore
17   Hornets    Solomon Alabi C
Florida State, Sophomore
18   Thunder    Larry Sanders PF/C
VCU, Junior
19   Grizzlies    Quincy Pondexter SF/PF
Washington, Senior
20   Thunder    Jan Vesely PF
KK Partizan Belgrade, International
21   Spurs    Elliot Williams SG
Memphis, Sophomore
22   Trailblazers    Devin Ebanks SF/PF
West Virginia, Sophomore
23   Timberwolves    Paul George SF/PF
Fresno State, Sophomore
24   Magic    Gordon Hayward SF/PF
Butler, Sophomore
25   Nets    Kalin Lucas PG
Michigan State, Junior
26   Hawks    Sherron Collins PG
Kansas, Senior

27   Grizzlies    Gani Lawal PF/C
Georgia Tech, Junior
28   Celtics    Damion James PF
Texas, Senior
29   Grizzlies    James Anderson SG/SF
Oklahoma State, Junior
30   Cavaliers    Artsiom Parakhouski C
Radford, Senior
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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 02:21:08 PM »
The poor kid isn't even projected in the 2011 NBA draft after having his career ruined by Frank.  Meanwhile, future KU commit Josh Selby and KU's own Tyshawn Taylor are projected to go lottery.   


1   Harrison Barnes  SG/SF
years old; 6'8"; 210 lbs.
Ames High School, HS Senior
2   Perry Jones  PF
years old; 6'11"; 220 lbs.
, HS Senior
3   Hassan Whiteside  PF/C
20 years old; 7'0"; 235 lbs.
Marshall, Freshman
4   Jonas Valanciunas  PF/C
17 years old; 6'10"; 230 lbs.
Lietuvos Rytas, International
5   Josh Selby  SG
years old; 6'1"; 180 lbs.
Dematha Catholic HS, HS Senior

6   Jeff Taylor  SF
20 years old; 6'6"; 200 lbs.
Vanderbilt, Sophomore
7   C.J. Leslie  SF/PF
years old; 6'8"; 205 lbs.
, HS Senior
8   Brandon Knight  PG
years old; 6'3"; 170 lbs.
Pine Crest HS, HS Senior
9   Mason Plumlee  PF
19 years old; 6'11"; 210 lbs.
Duke, Freshman
10   Jordan Hamilton  SF
19 years old; 6'7"; 210 lbs.
Texas, Freshman
11   Abdul Gaddy  PG
18 years old; 6'3"; 174 lbs.
Washington, Freshman
12   Kemba Walker  PG
19 years old; 6'0"; 180 lbs.
Connecticut, Sophomore
13   John Henson  PF
19 years old; 6'10"; 200 lbs.
North Carolina, Freshman
14   Tyshawn Taylor  PG
19 years old; 6'3"; 180 lbs.
Kansas, Sophomore

15   Enes Kanter  C
17 years old; 6'9"; 250 lbs.
Fenerbahce Ulker, International
16   Kevin Seraphin  C
20 years old; 6'9"; 258 lbs.
Cholet, International
17   JaMychal Green  PF/C
19 years old; 6'8"; 225 lbs.
Alabama, Sophomore
18   Chris Singleton  PF
20 years old; 6'8"; 210 lbs.
Florida State, Sophomore
19   Avery Bradley  SG
19 years old; 6'3"; 180 lbs.
Texas, Freshman
20   Wesley Witherspoon  SF
20 years old; 6'8"; 185 lbs.
Memphis, Sophomore
21   Malcolm Lee  SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 190 lbs.
UCLA, Sophomore
22   Arnett Moultrie  PF/C
19 years old; 6'11"; 220 lbs.
UTEP, Sophomore
23   Eric Bledsoe  PG
years old; 6'1"; 190 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman
24   Terrico White  PG/SG
19 years old; 6'5"; 211 lbs.
Mississippi, Sophomore
25   Aaric Murray  C
20 years old; 6'10"; 245 lbs.
La Salle, Freshman
26   Iman Shumpert  SG
19 years old; 6'4"; 200 lbs.
Georgia Tech, Sophomore
27   Tomas Satoransky  SG
18 years old; 6'6"; 190 lbs.
Cajasol Sevilla, International
28   Scotty Hopson  SG/SF
20 years old; 6'6"; 195 lbs.
Tennessee, Sophomore
29   Kevin Jones  PF
20 years old; 6'8"; 195 lbs.
West Virginia, Sophomore
30   Armon Johnson  PG/SG
20 years old; 6'3"; 195 lbs.
Nevada, Junior

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 02:23:21 PM »
To be fair, I don't think Seff has had enough time to ruin Selby yet

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 02:26:42 PM »
has self ever developed any of his players?  

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 02:29:34 PM »
has self ever developed any of his players?  





You've got to be kidding me.  Did you see the improvement of Kaun or Jackson from their freshman to senior years?  Hell, just look at the improvement of Marcus Morris from his freshman to sophomore year. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 02:30:43 PM »
BMW's KU Future commit Josh Selby....I see alot of those types on those lists...Harrison Barnes, Brandon Knight, Willie Warren, Greg Monroe.

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010, 02:39:53 PM »
You could also take the improvement of Aldrich from his freshman year to sophomore/junior year as an example.  This is exactly what I was talking about though when I said that Kietzman's message applies to a lot of posters on this board as well.  The idea that Bill Self and his staff don't develop players is as delusional as it gets. 

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 02:53:18 PM »
coaches help w/ development.  but if you don't get better from just playing in games from year to year then you're not going anywhere anyway.

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 02:54:23 PM »
has self ever developed any of his players? 

How are they doing in the NBA?

Also wasn't kaun 5 stars?





You've got to be kidding me.  Did you see the improvement of Kaun or Jackson from their freshman to senior years?  Hell, just look at the improvement of Marcus Morris from his freshman to sophomore year. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 02:54:44 PM »
You've got to be kidding me.  Did you see the improvement of Kaun or Jackson from their freshman to senior years?  Hell, just look at the improvement of Marcus Morris from his freshman to sophomore year. 

normal Mo Valley type development like.  nothing special.  did you see how much better Cartier Martin was as a Senior than as a Freshman .... Wooly!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 02:55:54 PM »
Schyler Thomas was incredible when he was a senior compared to when he was a freshman.  only great assistants like Chuckie Baker can make stuff like that happen.

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 02:58:14 PM »
Darren Kent got paid/is getting paid to play basketball.  That is player development.

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 02:59:04 PM »
I think the word around the NBA is that Cole is the white Emeka Okafor, probably not even worth the 6 spots lower.  Going to be brutal watching a Scalabrine with no offensive game.
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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 03:01:06 PM »

You've got to be kidding me.  Did you see the improvement of Kaun or Jackson from their freshman to senior years? 


When recruiting these players, KU fans clamor about the fact that they are bluechip NBA can't-miss players.  Yet, by the time they are done at KU, none of them do sh*t at the next level.  What gives? 


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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 03:06:47 PM »
Xavier USED to be a sure top 10 if not top 5 pick. Not anymore after a year of ball under Selfs' team.
Frank Martin- "I used to teach math in HS but didn't scream as much because nobody was keeping score."

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 03:25:59 PM »
Sasha is making millions in Russia, and Darnell is playing for the Cavaliers.  Pat yourselves on the back though for having no ability to put your bias aside and be objective. 

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 03:26:52 PM »
Cartier Martin is playing for Golden State ... Wooly!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 03:30:55 PM »
You could also take the improvement of Aldrich from his freshman year to sophomore/junior year as an example.  This is exactly what I was talking about though when I said that Kietzman's message applies to a lot of posters on this board as well.  The idea that Bill Self and his staff don't develop players is as delusional as it gets. 

Going from a zero to average is much easier than going from above average to hero.

Question remains:  has Seff ever developed any TALENT?


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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 03:33:51 PM »
I thought the powerespect talking points died along with KSUFans.  Guess not.
 




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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 03:42:04 PM »
BMW, your arguments are weak like the ukraine.  tons of players are making millions of dollars who had terrible coaches.  why do Kaun and Jackson (who were both elite recruits) not play professionally if they don't go to KU.  what happens to them if they go to Oklahoma St or South Florida that prevents them from playing for money?

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Re: Massa Self does it again
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2010, 03:47:56 PM »
You have no argument.