CHIEFS

[Cartierfor3]

WC08 part of why this thread has become what it has become is that you've decided that Alex Smith is the hill you're going to die on, so you troll many of us, and we troll you back. I'd love if the thread was more than just a ground for arguing the merits of mediocre QB.

[420seriouscat69]

I would too, but we're dealing with two extremes. I don't think he deserves the aggressive backlash you guys throw at him. There's a lot of things that are effed up with this team and it's not all on him. I mean, he had that kind of year with the worst receiving core in the league. Imagine that and I know he dumped it down to Jamaal a lot, but he had to improvise a lot.

[joda]

you stated the exact opposite bud, but i'm not gonna quibble. if you bring in andre johnson you're paying for who he was. not who he is.

the objective should be to find the next andre johnson. actually the objective should be to find the next great quarterback but this is kc and we don't do that.

the most pressing issues in kc are as follows: 1. find one of the next great qb's. and then, ya know, DRAFT HIM. 2. sign justin houston to a long term deal. 3. cut bowe and his bloated contract asap, and i hate to say it but tamba too . 4. continue acquiring cb's, pass rushers, fortify the o-line and get a couple stud te's and wr's after alex leaves town and we have a guy who will actually throw it to them. 5. cut all other bloated contracts asap.

Unfortunately, if I've read the contract info right, it actually costs more to cut Bowe than keep him. At this point the best option with Bowe is ride it out and hope he playes better.

[j-dub]

you stated the exact opposite bud, but i'm not gonna quibble. if you bring in andre johnson you're paying for who he was. not who he is.

the objective should be to find the next andre johnson. actually the objective should be to find the next great quarterback but this is kc and we don't do that.

the most pressing issues in kc are as follows: 1. find one of the next great qb's. and then, ya know, DRAFT HIM. 2. sign justin houston to a long term deal. 3. cut bowe and his bloated contract asap, and i hate to say it but tamba too . 4. continue acquiring cb's, pass rushers, fortify the o-line and get a couple stud te's and wr's after alex leaves town and we have a guy who will actually throw it to them. 5. cut all other bloated contracts asap.

Unfortunately, if I've read the contract info right, it actually costs more to cut Bowe than keep him. At this point the best option with Bowe is ride it out and hope he playes better.

that's why i said asap. i think we can cut him after this season and save some cap room. if i remember correctly..

[joda]

you stated the exact opposite bud, but i'm not gonna quibble. if you bring in andre johnson you're paying for who he was. not who he is.

the objective should be to find the next andre johnson. actually the objective should be to find the next great quarterback but this is kc and we don't do that.

the most pressing issues in kc are as follows: 1. find one of the next great qb's. and then, ya know, DRAFT HIM. 2. sign justin houston to a long term deal. 3. cut bowe and his bloated contract asap, and i hate to say it but tamba too . 4. continue acquiring cb's, pass rushers, fortify the o-line and get a couple stud te's and wr's after alex leaves town and we have a guy who will actually throw it to them. 5. cut all other bloated contracts asap.

Unfortunately, if I've read the contract info right, it actually costs more to cut Bowe than keep him. At this point the best option with Bowe is ride it out and hope he playes better.

that's why i said asap. i think we can cut him after this season and save some cap room. if i remember correctly..

Gotcha, haven't looked how the cap figures work for next season so that might be right

[Asteriskhead]

Nicname's thread got me thinking. If you were to reflect on Neil Smith's career, would you consider him a Chief or a Bronco?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Nicname's thread got me thinking. If you were to reflect on Neil Smith's career, would you consider him a Chief or a Bronco?

Chief

[mocat]

i saw neil smith a while back on a flight to kansas city. i don't know how that factors into your debate but i think it should a little bit at least

[Asteriskhead]

Nicname's thread got me thinking. If you were to reflect on Neil Smith's career, would you consider him a Chief or a Bronco?

Chief

The majority of his career was played in KC and two of his three pro bowl selections were as a Chief, but he earned two super bowl rings with the Broncos, one pro bowl bid and had two iconic fumble recoveries in the playoffs for the Broncos. How do you make that choice? I think it's clear that the highest point of his career was in Denver.

[j-dub]

he was a chief. his peak years were in kc. he was an average player in denver.

[Institutional Control]

Neil Smith is dead to me.

[Asteriskhead]

he was a chief. his peak years were in kc. he was an average player in denver.

You were a Denver fan back then, right? As a Denver fan then, and now, I consider him a Bronco. I don't know. I really don't know how to compare his time with both ball teams. I think he was more important to the Chiefs' defense than he was Denver's. Is that how one should make their choice?

[j-dub]

he was a chief. his peak years were in kc. he was an average player in denver.

You were a Denver fan back then, right? As a Denver fan then, and now, I consider him a Bronco. I don't know. I really don't know how to compare his time with both ball teams. I think he was more important to the Chiefs' defense than he was Denver's. Is that how one should make their choice?

yeah. quick backstory: j-dub's mom decorated little j-dub's room in blue and orange without considering the possibility that it could backfire. the first nfl game i ever saw/remember seeing was in oct. of '88, broncos vs. 9er's. broncos were blue and orange  9er's were woof. so little j-dub rooted for his favorite colors. he started looking for his favorite colors every week and pretty soon he recognized that john elway is the greatest football player the world has ever seen. so from that point on, i was a diehard elway/bronco (but really elway, as i would discover in the wake of his retirement) fan in the midst of chiefs fans as far as the eye could see.

so i grew up hating neil smith. absolutely hating his stupid ugly bandaid on his nose wearing home run swing swinging dorky dorkstore spindly girl legged sack machine. and i was beyond psyched when he came to denver. beyond. psyched.

and he was as meh as it gets. he wasn't the same player, or maybe it was because he didn't have derrick on the other side. although, alfred williams had a hell of a couple years when neil was in denver.. so, i think neil had just peaked in kc and was clearly on the downside of his career.

either way. he was a chief. the band aid. the swing. derrick and him being bff. when i think of neil, i think of him sacking john elway. not hugging him as john walked off the field victorious for the very last time 

[Asteriskhead]

he was a chief. his peak years were in kc. he was an average player in denver.

You were a Denver fan back then, right? As a Denver fan then, and now, I consider him a Bronco. I don't know. I really don't know how to compare his time with both ball teams. I think he was more important to the Chiefs' defense than he was Denver's. Is that how one should make their choice?

yeah. quick backstory: j-dub's mom decorated little j-dub's room in blue and orange without considering the possibility that it could backfire. the first nfl game i ever saw/remember seeing was in oct. of '88, broncos vs. 9er's. broncos were blue and orange  9er's were woof. so little j-dub rooted for his favorite colors. he started looking for his favorite colors every week and pretty soon he recognized that john elway is the greatest football player the world has ever seen. so from that point on, i was a diehard elway/bronco (but really elway, as i would discover in the wake of his retirement) fan in the midst of chiefs fans as far as the eye could see.

so i grew up hating neil smith. absolutely hating his stupid ugly bandaid on his nose wearing home run swing swinging dorky dorkstore spindly girl legged sack machine. and i was beyond psyched when he came to denver. beyond. psyched.

and he was as meh as it gets. he wasn't the same player, or maybe it was because he didn't have derrick on the other side. although, alfred williams had a hell of a couple years when neil was in denver.. so, i think neil had just peaked in kc and was clearly on the downside of his career.

either way. he was a chief. the band aid. the swing. derrick and him being bff. when i think of neil, i think of him sacking john elway. not hugging him as john walked off the field victorious for the very last time 

I think I'm too young to remember him has a Chief. My first memories of football are the 97 and 98 seasons. I remember how much it pissed my dad off that I loved the Broncos, but they were so fun to watch for a kid that didn't understand the game yet.

That's why I was asking for your guys' opinions. I don't remember him as a Chief. I just remember him as a Bronco. To be fair, J-Dub I think you are underselling him in Denver. That defense was good, but the stars were the linebackers and the secondary, not the d line.

[Cartierfor3]

Calling Neil Smith a Bronco is like calling Wade Boggs* a Yankee. He's a chief.










*Boy that son of a bitch Boggs can really hit!

[Cartierfor3]

Also it mattered zero how Neil Smith performed in Denver. Elway won those super bowls all by himself. He's not only the greatest football player ever, but the greatest creature God ever crafted. You could've put a defense out there of Oprah, Roseanne, and Mr. Rodgers and Elway was great enough to overcome it and hoist the lombardii trophy.

[420seriouscat69]

Chiefs: Neil Smith, T Gonz, and Marcus Allen.

Non-Chiefs (They won't make the hall of fame, but still): Gannon and Joe horn

CASE CLOSED!

[Cartierfor3]

I dunno Wacky.

Can we get a ruling on if Marcus Allen is a Chief or a Raider?

[420seriouscat69]

I dunno Wacky.

Can we get a ruling on if Marcus Allen is a Chief or a Raider?

He made the ruling himself. He's always said he's going to go into the HOF as a Chief. It's in his blood, bro.

[Cartierfor3]

Meh. Wade Boggs* went into the Hall of Fame as a Devil Ray







*Boy that son of a bitch Boggs can really hit!

[j-dub]

it's not even close.

neil as a chief:

games - 138
games started - 127
sacks - 85.5
tackles - 503
forced fumbles - 28

neil as a bronco:

games - 43
games started - 35
sacks - 19
tackles - 74
forced fumbles - 2

[Institutional Control]

My favorite Bronco of all time was Dale Carter with Eddie Kennison being a close second.

[420seriouscat69]

Joe Montana = Chief 

[Cartierfor3]

@J-Dub: Marcus Allen: Chief or Raider. It cannot be both.

[420seriouscat69]

@J-Dub: Marcus Allen: Chief or Raider. It cannot be both.

It's not j-dub's decision, it's marcus's.