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Re: CHIEFS
« Reply #2400 on: February 27, 2013, 12:09:08 PM »
A guy who is mediocre who had his two best yrs under a fantastic coach with fantastic defense. 

I hate this talking point.  If you think that's how they got to the NFC championship game, then get Alex Smith in here and do it the same way.  The Chiefs have a defense that truly is not far away from a very, very good one.  Get another impact linebacker, another starting corner and maybe a defensive end in here and let's go (they have the cap room to be able to legitimately do this in free agency, not to mention the draft). 
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« Reply #2401 on: February 27, 2013, 12:09:43 PM »
it's as simple as this. we either get Alex Smith or draft a QB first overall. there are no other options. this is a shitty draft to have the first pick if you want a QB and the new regime decided that it wasn't worth it to take a QB to get the first pick. this is not meltdown worthy, good grief.

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« Reply #2402 on: February 27, 2013, 12:12:19 PM »
No - the point is not what they gave up for him its the fact that this is the guy they are rolling with for the foreseeable future. Alex Smith. You have to ask yourself is he going to win playoff games. If not then it is a complete disaster. Then you throw in the 34th pick on top of that. He is 29 years old.
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« Reply #2403 on: February 27, 2013, 12:15:30 PM »
No - the point is not what they gave up for him its the fact that this is the guy they are rolling with for the foreseeable future. Alex Smith. You have to ask yourself is he going to win playoff games. If not then it is a complete disaster. Then you throw in the 34th pick on top of that. He is 29 years old.

which quarterback could we get right now that you could definitively say "he will win playoff games"?

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« Reply #2404 on: February 27, 2013, 12:18:03 PM »
Here are the top 15 QB prospects per CBS Sports.  There will be plenty of QB's to choose from when the 3rd round starts.  Hell, lets just draft Rogers and hope that he is a late bloomer and is as awesome as his brother.  My point is these guys don't stand out from one another as being the elite QB in the class.  They pretty much all suck per the experts.  So we can draft the 12th best QB in the 3rd round and hope he pans out or at least can be a legit backup.  None of these guys are worthy enough to waste 1st pick of the draft. 

I see the Chiefs cleaning house and getting one of these guys to go along with Smith in the 3rd or 4th round.

8   Geno Smith   QB   1   West Virginia   Sr   6-2   218   1
21   Matt BarkleyInjured   QB   2   Southern California   Sr   6-3   227   1
38   Mike Glennon   QB   3   North Carolina State   rSr   6-7   225   1-2
44   Tyler Wilson   QB   4   Arkansas   rSr   6-2   215   2
47   Ryan Nassib   QB   5   Syracuse   rSr   6-2   227   2
62   EJ Manuel   QB   6   Florida State   rSr   6-5   237   2
84   *Tyler Bray   QB   7   Tennessee   Jr   6-6   232   2-3
111   Landry Jones   QB   8   Oklahoma   rSr   6-4   225   3-4
146   Zac DysertInjured   QB   9   Miami (Ohio)   rSr   6-3   231   4-5
167   Matt Scott   QB   10   Arizona   rSr   6-2   213   5
219   Sean RenfreeInjured   QB   11   Duke   rSr   6-3   219   6-7
239   Jordan Rodgers   QB   12   Vanderbilt   rSr   6-1   212   7
263   Ryan Griffin   QB   13   Tulane   rSr   6-4   216   7-FA
275   Jeff Tuel   QB   14   Washington State   Sr   6-3   221   7-FA
279   Brad Sorensen   QB   15   Southern Utah   rSr   6-5   229   7-FA
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« Reply #2405 on: February 27, 2013, 12:20:22 PM »
No - the point is not what they gave up for him its the fact that this is the guy they are rolling with for the foreseeable future. Alex Smith. You have to ask yourself is he going to win playoff games. If not then it is a complete disaster. Then you throw in the 34th pick on top of that. He is 29 years old.

which quarterback could we get right now that you could definitively say "he will win playoff games"?

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« Reply #2406 on: February 27, 2013, 12:22:16 PM »
A guy who is mediocre who had his two best yrs under a fantastic coach with fantastic defense. 

I hate this talking point.  If you think that's how they got to the NFC championship game, then get Alex Smith in here and do it the same way.  The Chiefs have a defense that truly is not far away from a very, very good one.  Get another impact linebacker, another starting corner and maybe a defensive end in here and let's go (they have the cap room to be able to legitimately do this in free agency, not to mention the draft).

The guy got hurt then healthy and never saw the field again.  Is Kapernick(SP) brady, manning, brees, rogers, etc?  Nope.

We had the worst qb in the league and you guys are saying we improved so we should be happy.  With the money, cap space, and draft picks we had available, I would expect us to do something more splashy than grabbing a guy slightly better than matt cassell.  Make someone an offer they can't refuse.

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« Reply #2407 on: February 27, 2013, 12:23:13 PM »
Hell, lets just draft Rogers and hope that he is a late bloomer and is as awesome as his brother.

I have long been on this bandwagon.
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« Reply #2408 on: February 27, 2013, 12:25:38 PM »
Remember when Alex Smith was a complete laughing stock from 2005-2011, had one good season, then lost his job the next one? (Albeit from injury, but Kaepernick is clearly better)

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This is just history repeating itself. Trade for a back up QB that never lived up to his potential from a decade ago.
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« Reply #2409 on: February 27, 2013, 12:29:52 PM »
He had played 16 games TWICE in 8 years. The other 6 he played an average of 8 games. A career rating of 79.1. At least when you draft a QB you are taking a chance on someone who MIGHT be great. Everyone knows exactly what Alex Smith is.

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« Reply #2410 on: February 27, 2013, 12:31:33 PM »
When one person, for whatever reason, has a chance to lead an exceptional life, he has no right to keep it to himself.

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« Reply #2411 on: February 27, 2013, 12:32:36 PM »
A guy who is mediocre who had his two best yrs under a fantastic coach with fantastic defense. 

I hate this talking point.  If you think that's how they got to the NFC championship game, then get Alex Smith in here and do it the same way.  The Chiefs have a defense that truly is not far away from a very, very good one.  Get another impact linebacker, another starting corner and maybe a defensive end in here and let's go (they have the cap room to be able to legitimately do this in free agency, not to mention the draft).

The guy got hurt then healthy and never saw the field again.  Is Kapernick(SP) brady, manning, brees, rogers, etc?  Nope.

We had the worst qb in the league and you guys are saying we improved so we should be happy.  With the money, cap space, and draft picks we had available, I would expect us to do something more splashy than grabbing a guy slightly better than matt cassell.  Make someone an offer they can't refuse.

I was referring to 2011 when Smith was healthy and took the Niners to the NFC Champ game.

And I agree that we aren't improved to the point where we should be "happy", but I think that we filled a hole that clearly was the biggest thing that was holding this team back from being competitive last year.  Not saying that we solved the problem long term, but for next year and the year after, we improved the QB position significantly.  Now we can go use that cap room and those draft picks to fill other significant but far less glaring holes that we had for next year.  Then next year after we go 8-8 or whatever, we can draft a more legitimate QB prospect like Aaron Murray or Teddy Bridgewater or AJ McCarron or whoever with the 15th overall pick and he can be our QB of the future. 

I don't love the trade, but like emawblast has pointed out, it's not something to melt down about either.  Before the free agency period has even started or the draft even ocurred, the 2013-14 Chiefs are already significantly better than the 2012-13 Chiefs ever were.
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« Reply #2413 on: February 27, 2013, 12:33:12 PM »
Lot of rough ridin' retards posting in this thread.  The Chiefs have made one move so far....one rough ridin' move.   They still get to release players, draft players, and pick up FA's.  For fucks sake let time play out a bit.

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« Reply #2415 on: February 27, 2013, 12:37:05 PM »
You dumbasses realize SF was a shitty team before 2011 right? They had one of the worst defenses in the league up through 2010

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« Reply #2416 on: February 27, 2013, 12:39:18 PM »
everybody here is losing sight of one very crucial thing:

JAMES SHIELDS!  :excited:

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« Reply #2417 on: February 27, 2013, 12:42:59 PM »
Lot of rough ridin' retards posting in this thread.  The Chiefs have made one move so far....one rough ridin' move.   They still get to release players, draft players, and pick up FA's.  For fucks sake let time play out a bit.

Will any subsequent move make Alex Smith better than he has been for like 8yrs?  Nope.

If this was us letting Albert go, I would totally be where you are here, but it is easy to look at Smith's history and not be happy that he will most likely be the guy running our team regardless of who the other moves are unless one of the other moves is to pick up a better qb and make smith our back up.

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« Reply #2418 on: February 27, 2013, 12:54:07 PM »
Yeah, we gave up the 33rd pick in the draft but got 1st pick talent.


am i taking crazy pills?

YOU HEARD ME!

I think Alex Smith is fully capable of winning playoff games.

Would you have said Joe Flacco was capable of winning before the season started? Give the guy a chance.

I love this trade. Think Alex is going to do very well!
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« Reply #2419 on: February 27, 2013, 12:56:33 PM »
Lot of rough ridin' retards posting in this thread.  The Chiefs have made one move so far....one rough ridin' move.   They still get to release players, draft players, and pick up FA's.  For fucks sake let time play out a bit.

Will any subsequent move make Alex Smith better than he has been for like 8yrs?  Nope.

If this was us letting Albert go, I would totally be where you are here, but it is easy to look at Smith's history and not be happy that he will most likely be the guy running our team regardless of who the other moves are unless one of the other moves is to pick up a better qb and make smith our back up.

Nobody is saying Smith is great...but he is significantly better than Cassell. 

There is always that chance that Smith could be our Flynn and we pick up a Wilson in the 3rd.  Who knows...

We need two new QB's however you look at it and not just a Cassell replacement.  I predict we will draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round, and pick up a legit FA WR (we have the cap room and WR's love Reid's WC Offense). 
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« Reply #2420 on: February 27, 2013, 01:04:20 PM »
You don't give up 2 2nd round picks so he can tutor another QB. Alex Smith will be the guy going forward and that rough ridin' sucks.
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« Reply #2421 on: February 27, 2013, 01:06:37 PM »
You don't give up 2 2nd round picks so he can tutor another QB. Alex Smith will be the guy going forward and that rough ridin' sucks.

Dude its not 2 2nd round picks

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« Reply #2423 on: February 27, 2013, 01:08:47 PM »
I can't think of many worse moves that grabbing Alex Smith and then drafting a qb in the 4th and going forward with those two individuals given our issues at qb in the past. 

That most likely won't solve much. 

The difference between Smith and Cassell is pretty small when you look at their careers.

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« Reply #2424 on: February 27, 2013, 01:10:55 PM »
You don't give up 2 2nd round picks so he can tutor another QB. Alex Smith will be the guy going forward and that rough ridin' sucks.

One second round pick and a mid-round.  And it was definitely worth it.  Once again, everyone here seems to think the Chiefs need one QB.  Chiefs need two QB's.  Whether A. Smith starts or not...they still need two QB's.  If they didn't pick up Smith, when would they have gotten the 2nd QB?  Take two in the draft?  Keep Quinn?  When would we have drafted our first QB?...as the 1st overall?  In the 2nd?

Jesus guys come on....
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