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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2024, 07:03:16 AM »
Here are three summaries from three different AI LLM’s on the key changes proposed by Project 2025



From X Gronk AI:

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**Project 2025**, spearheaded by the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation, is a policy blueprint intended for implementation in a potential future Republican administration, notably associated with Donald Trump's potential second term, though it claims to be independent of any specific candidate. Here are some of the key changes proposed:

- **Government Structure and Civil Service:**
  - Proposes a significant overhaul of federal agencies by reclassifying tens of thousands of federal workers as political appointees. This would allow for their replacement with individuals loyal to the president, aiming to dismantle what they perceive as a "deep state" or unaccountable bureaucracy.

- **Social Policies:**
  - **Abortion:** Suggests reversing FDA approval of abortion pills, tightening regulations around the mailing of abortion-related materials, and promoting a "biblically based" definition of family, without explicitly calling for a national abortion ban.
  - **LGBTQ+ Rights:** Aims to remove diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, supports traditional nuclear family structures, and seeks to limit protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

- **Environmental Policy:**
  - Proposes to dismantle or significantly reduce the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), eliminate NOAA, and undo federal climate policies like the Paris Climate Agreement. It advocates for promoting oil and natural gas over renewable energy sources.

- **Immigration:**
  - Calls for stringent immigration policies including mass deportations, ending birthright citizenship, and reinstating policies like the "Remain in Mexico" program. It also seeks to reduce the number of visas issued to students from certain countries.

- **Economic and Labor Policies:**
  - Suggests changes to labor laws that could reduce overtime pay, weaken worker safety rules, and potentially increase workplace discrimination by altering existing regulations.

- **Education:**
  - Advocates for the elimination of the Department of Education, shifting more control to states and local governments, and redirecting public funds towards private and religious schooling.

- **Public Broadcasting and Media:**
  - Recommends defunding the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, potentially removing noncommercial status for NPR, and allowing more media consolidation by altering FCC rules.

- **Executive Power:**
  - Embraces a "unitary executive theory," which would give the president more direct control over the executive branch, significantly increasing executive power and reducing the independence of federal agencies.

- **Other Areas:**
  - Proposes ending student loan forgiveness programs, altering Medicaid with work requirements, and changing the structure and focus of departments like Housing and Urban Development and Homeland Security.

Project 2025 has been criticized for its authoritarian tendencies, its potential to erode checks and balances, and for promoting policies that could significantly reshape American governance and society in a conservative direction. Despite Trump's claims of not being involved, numerous former Trump administration officials contributed to the document, indicating significant overlap with his political sphere.




From ChatGPT:

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Project 2025’s 180-Day Playbook proposes several key changes focused on aligning federal government operations with conservative principles. Here’s a summary of the primary proposed changes:

   1.   Restructuring Federal Agencies: Streamline agencies to reduce bureaucracy and remove roles viewed as unnecessary or redundant. This includes reorganizing departments to emphasize accountability and align with conservative priorities.
   2.   Personnel Overhaul: Appoint personnel who are committed to conservative policies and reduce the influence of career bureaucrats, targeting the so-called “deep state.” This includes establishing a robust vetting and training program to ensure appointees are prepared to implement the agenda effectively.
   3.   Fiscal Responsibility: Reduce government spending by cutting budgets across federal agencies, focusing on eliminating what is seen as wasteful or excessive spending. The goal is to shrink the overall size and cost of government.
   4.   Energy Independence and Deregulation: Prioritize policies that promote domestic energy production, reduce reliance on foreign energy sources, and roll back environmental regulations that are seen as overly restrictive to the energy sector.
   5.   Education and Cultural Policies: Shift federal education policy towards promoting school choice, parental rights, and a curriculum that emphasizes traditional American values. This includes reducing federal influence over local education systems.
   6.   Border and National Security: Strengthen border security measures, enforce stricter immigration policies, and redirect resources to ensure robust enforcement of immigration laws.
   7.   Economic Deregulation: Roll back regulations affecting businesses, especially small businesses, to promote economic growth and reduce government intervention in the market. This includes easing rules on sectors like finance, manufacturing, and agriculture.

The overarching vision is to reduce federal government influence, promote conservative values, and ensure policies are executed by individuals aligned with these goals within the first 180 days of a conservative administration.



From Perplexity AI

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Project 2025 proposes significant changes, including:

- **Federal Agencies**: Abolishing the Departments of Education and Homeland Security, and scaling down others like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration[1][2][3].
- **Economy**: Cutting corporate and personal income taxes, potentially abolishing the Federal Reserve, and moving towards a consumption tax[2][3].
- **Healthcare**: Repealing Medicare drug cost caps and imposing Medicaid lifetime coverage limits[1][2].
- **Education**: Eliminating Head Start and promoting school choice by dismantling the Department of Education[1][3].
- **Climate Policy**: Reducing climate regulations and promoting fossil fuels[2][3].

Sources
[1] Project 2025 Summary https://www.afscme93.org/system/files/project_2025_summary_final.pdf
[2] Project 2025 - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
[3] Project 2025 Explained: What To Know About The Right-Wing Policy ... https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/10/01/project-2025-explained-what-to-know-about-the-right-wing-policy-map-ahead-of-tonights-vp-debate/
[4] The People's Guide to Project 2025 - Democracy Forward https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-2025/
[5] Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project https://www.project2025.org
[6] What is Project 2025? What to know about the conservative ... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-project-2025-trump-conservative-blueprint-heritage-foundation/
[7] Project 2025, Explained | American Civil Liberties Union https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained
[8] How Project 2025 would change American life - Axios https://www.axios.com/2024/07/20/project-2025-trump-what-to-know



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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2024, 12:26:14 PM »
https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1854164649433858119?s=19

Yep. I hope you like your Jesus involved in every aspect of your life. That and really dirty water.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2024, 12:27:55 PM »
are thoughtful, measured dissenting opinions allowed ITT or are we strictly stanning P25?

Idea: separate doom thread to only crap talk p25
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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2024, 12:28:51 PM »
https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1854164649433858119?s=19

Yep. I hope you like your Jesus involved in every aspect of your life. That and really dirty water.
Probably part of the small business support plan (purified water door to door salesmen)

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2024, 12:49:56 PM »
That Oklahoma public school bible guy has got to be pissed about totally nailing the audition to be a very Trump-worthy Secretary of Education, only to have the Department of Education abolished.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2024, 02:41:13 PM »
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or troll on this.  How is Project 2025 different than any candidates campaign platform? Obviously it has an ominous sounding name but doesn't everyone run on a platform of proposed polices, ideas, plans, etc.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2024, 02:49:19 PM »
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or troll on this.  How is Project 2025 different than any candidates campaign platform? Obviously it has an ominous sounding name but doesn't everyone run on a platform of proposed polices, ideas, plans, etc.
I’m guessing what’s in it. But again, just a guess.

And note that while I am trying to be sarcastic, I am not trolling.
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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2024, 02:49:58 PM »
I'm confused by the question, who has argued otherwise? It's the substance people find objectionable.
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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2024, 02:50:25 PM »
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or troll on this.  How is Project 2025 different than any candidates campaign platform? Obviously it has an ominous sounding name but doesn't everyone run on a platform of proposed polices, ideas, plans, etc.
I think you are mostly right on this. I think it became an issue when democrats were like "omg, look at all this stuff that close Trump associates are planning as part of Project 2025" and trump was like "I don't know anything about these ideas or these people". Not weird or bad for a political party or think tank to have a policy agenda but Trump doesn't really like to be tied to any policy specifics beyond what feels expedient to say in the next 5 minutes.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2024, 02:50:46 PM »
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or troll on this.  How is Project 2025 different than any candidates campaign platform? Obviously it has an ominous sounding name but doesn't everyone run on a platform of proposed polices, ideas, plans, etc.

It's not, but #blueanongE are a very simple people who don't get that most of these people who write up this stuff (on both sides) all have lunch and happy hours with each other, and visit each others homes along the Potomac and down in the Northern OBX . . .

They think it's just unique to one side.


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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2024, 03:13:41 PM »
i mean just for example they are going to abolish the department of education.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2024, 03:18:43 PM »
Sure, a "final solution to the Jewish question" sounds ominus but isn't it just part of a political platform? Everyone has those.
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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2024, 03:21:47 PM »
StalkerBot2000: After sitting around for 4 years and watching his favorite politicians ratchet up global conflict exponentially . . . is now suddenly very concerned about the Jews, Arabs and Iranians.






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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2024, 03:23:22 PM »
Dax, you're confused again and the adults are talking
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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2024, 03:26:19 PM »
Dax, you're confused again and the adults are talking

You have posted some absolutely amazing bullshit today, more than normal. Which is really saying something.

Now you're tripling down on this Project 2025 stuff . . .  :lol:


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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2024, 09:19:20 PM »
Less investment in NATO and more investment in domestic defense such as nukes.

I love NATO, but all NATO members should honor their commitments to required spending levels. 

I think it’s wise to invest in an iron clad defense of our domestic borders. This seems indisputable and in line with our founders.  Arguably the best defense of our borders from foreign invasion are nukes. Bigger, faster stronger “Atoms for Peace,” as fellow Kansan Ike used to say.

What exactly is your concern domestically? The US can already defend against a global invasion.
I just mean that we need to stay cutting edge on the ability to quickly wipe all other nations off the planet all at once if they rough ridin' touch our soil.  Going to need hypersonics and lasers and god knows what to stay current and we should always stay current.

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Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2024, 09:23:55 PM »
https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1854164649433858119?s=19

Yep. I hope you like your Jesus involved in every aspect of your life. That and really dirty water.
If it’s any comfort, I can promise you that these guys have no desire to implement any policy based on Jesus’s socialist agenda.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2024, 09:25:24 PM »
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or troll on this.  How is Project 2025 different than any candidates campaign platform? Obviously it has an ominous sounding name but doesn't everyone run on a platform of proposed polices, ideas, plans, etc.

Aren't you an educator. That's the only part of project 2025 that isn't an economic provision that could have every day effect on my household. I'm married to a public educator in a red state with limited private education. We already have a voucher system here, that isn't going well. We really need to have the ability to have a federal check to balance the state's power here.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2024, 09:29:51 PM »
Yeah I was for 11 years. My last year teaching was 2018 though.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2024, 09:31:19 PM »
Also the porn ban is stupid and has failed before. Kids today have no more access to unfettered porn than I did in the early 90s. We're now 2 and a half generations into the internet age. There are a significant amount of people in Washington who grew up with porn on the internet, that's a lame excuse for pushing a part of a nonsecular agenda. Putting all these zealots in the judiciary who have little to no interest in actually abiding by the constitution just might work.

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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2024, 09:31:52 PM »
Yeah I was for 11 years. My last year teaching was 2018 though.

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2024, 10:27:02 PM »
Also the porn ban is stupid and has failed before. Kids today have no more access to unfettered porn than I did in the early 90s. We're now 2 and a half generations into the internet age. There are a significant amount of people in Washington who grew up with porn on the internet, that's a lame excuse for pushing a part of a nonsecular agenda. Putting all these zealots in the judiciary who have little to no interest in actually abiding by the constitution just might work.
Yeah i think the porn thing is just so they can ban more books

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2024, 11:01:44 PM »
Also the porn ban is stupid and has failed before. Kids today have no more access to unfettered porn than I did in the early 90s. We're now 2 and a half generations into the internet age. There are a significant amount of people in Washington who grew up with porn on the internet, that's a lame excuse for pushing a part of a nonsecular agenda. Putting all these zealots in the judiciary who have little to no interest in actually abiding by the constitution just might work.
Yeah i think the porn thing is just so they can ban more books

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Re: Project 2025 - Will it happen?
« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2024, 07:24:23 AM »
Kids today have no more access to unfettered porn than I did in the early 90s.
I must be misunderstanding you. You think porn in the early 90s is accessible as it is today?


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