Project 2025 - Will it happen?

[Pete]

This is a thread for honest steel-manning of the Project 2025 initiative put forward by the Heritage Foundation and former members of the Trump administration (who are likely members of a future Trump administration).



NOVEMBER 2024 EDIT: 



ANYTHING GOES, LET’S DISCUSS!

[Pete]

Outlawing porn…while arguably a first amendment right, it’s probably best if porn didn’t exist.  I do enjoy the occasional 2 minutes of porn, but I could live without it and I acknowledge that kids with unfettered access to internet porn is bad.

[Pete]

Limiting Immigration, and/or more strictly tying immigration to filling specific vocational needs.

….no objection from me, and it seems to make common sense to avoid using valuable domestic social service resources for non-citizens. Seems wise to bolster our workforce from a larger pool of candidates (eg global).

[Pete]

More Nuke power plants. 

Completely agree with this. The answer to our enter needs is “all of the above,” IMO.  Solar, Wind, Tidal, Gas, Nuke…you rough ridin' name it, we should do it.

Balance is key. Redundancies help national security.

[Pete]

Less investment in NATO and more investment in domestic defense such as nukes.

I love NATO, but all NATO members should honor their commitments to required spending levels. 

I think it’s wise to invest in an iron clad defense of our domestic borders. This seems indisputable and in line with our founders.  Arguably the best defense of our borders from foreign invasion are nukes. Bigger, faster stronger “Atoms for Peace,” as fellow Kansan Ike used to say.

[Pete]

Drastically reducing federal agencies, their headcount’s, budgets, and power.

Silver lining…humans seem to enact change most efficiently in the face of calamity.  Perhaps, in the long long long view of things, we Americans could benefit from a renewed appreciation of the benefits of federal regulations and programs. Might we in a 100 years say “wow the programs that came about in the 2040’s in response to corporate malfeasance were spot really effective?”  Have the current departments and programs become less efficient that their founders had planned? Could be that what we Americans need is a calamity or two to right size our federal programs and revive our appreciation of them.

[Pete]

From a high level, its absolutely amazing to watch #blueanon spread yet another conspiracy theory and while implying that the whole of conservatism agrees with and wants something like Project 2025.

This post does not conform to this threads rules. Please try rewording or refrain from posting in this thread.  I hope you do elect to participate in good faith, and I think you would agree that I attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 Last warning.

[steve dave]

Outlawing porn…while arguably a first amendment right, it’s probably best if porn didn’t exist.  I do enjoy the occasional 2 minutes of porn, but I could live without it and I acknowledge that kids with unfettered access to internet porn is bad.

Yes, I agree that strong limitations need to be put on this stuff. Good one here.


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[sonofdaxjones]

From a high level, its absolutely amazing to watch #blueanon spread yet another conspiracy theory and while implying that the whole of conservatism agrees with and wants something like Project 2025.

This post does not conform to this threads rules. Please try rewording or refrain from posting in this thread.  I hope you do elect to participate in good faith, and I think you would agree that I attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 Last warning.

It's perfectly applicable. But whatevs

Relative to NATO, it would help if NATO leadership would stop propagating this insane notion that Russia is going to move on the rest of Europe. They're not. There's no reason to operate in a manner that says that the United States needs to come to the rescue of Western Europe. The NATO membership's collective military spending even without the United States is far higher than Russia. The UK has nukes, France has nukes, Poland has dramatically increased military spending.  The Western side (non former Soviet Bloc) countries is teeming with first world weaponry.  On top of the fact that the U.S. has carriers, and is on the cusp of deploying prompt global strike capabilities. We don't need to keep spending billions on all the boots on the ground in Europe.

[star seed 7]

Outlawing porn…while arguably a first amendment right, it’s probably best if porn didn’t exist.  I do enjoy the occasional 2 minutes of porn, but I could live without it and I acknowledge that kids with unfettered access to internet porn is bad.

Yes, I agree that strong limitations need to be put on this stuff. Good one here.


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[Pete]

From a high level, its absolutely amazing to watch #blueanon spread yet another conspiracy theory and while implying that the whole of conservatism agrees with and wants something like Project 2025.

This post does not conform to this threads rules. Please try rewording or refrain from posting in this thread.  I hope you do elect to participate in good faith, and I think you would agree that I attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 Last warning.

It's perfectly applicable. But whatevs

Relative to NATO, it would help if NATO leadership would stop propagating this insane notion that Russia is going to move on the rest of Europe. They're not. There's no reason to operate in a manner that says that the United States needs to come to the rescue of Western Europe. The NATO membership's collective military spending even without the United States is far higher than Russia. The UK has nukes, France has nukes, Poland has dramatically increased military spending.  The Western side (non former Soviet Bloc) countries is teeming with first world weaponry.  On top of the fact that the U.S. has carriers, and is on the cusp of deploying prompt global strike capabilities. We don't need to keep spending billions on all the boots on the ground in Europe.

This seems reasonable to me.  I’d add that I only agree with the “Russia won’t attack Europe” part as long as NATO is at its current strength level…I just want other nato counties to step up pay their fair share.

[star seed 7]

Agree Pete. Russia could really embarrass NATO by not invading European countries.

[star seed 7]

More Nuke power plants. 

Completely agree with this. The answer to our enter needs is “all of the above,” IMO.  Solar, Wind, Tidal, Gas, Nuke…you rough ridin' name it, we should do it.

Balance is key. Redundancies help national security.

Go off king

[star seed 7]

Less investment in NATO and more investment in domestic defense such as nukes.

I love NATO, but all NATO members should honor their commitments to required spending levels. 

I think it’s wise to invest in an iron clad defense of our domestic borders. This seems indisputable and in line with our founders.  Arguably the best defense of our borders from foreign invasion are nukes. Bigger, faster stronger “Atoms for Peace,” as fellow Kansan Ike used to say.

What exactly is your concern domestically? The US can already defend against a global invasion.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

are thoughtful, measured dissenting opinions allowed ITT or are we strictly stanning P25?

[Pete]

are thoughtful, measured dissenting opinions allowed ITT or are we strictly stanning P25?

The spirit is stuff in Project 2025 that you’d be willing to support or at least see some benefit

[Pete]

Less investment in NATO and more investment in domestic defense such as nukes.

I love NATO, but all NATO members should honor their commitments to required spending levels. 

I think it’s wise to invest in an iron clad defense of our domestic borders. This seems indisputable and in line with our founders.  Arguably the best defense of our borders from foreign invasion are nukes. Bigger, faster stronger “Atoms for Peace,” as fellow Kansan Ike used to say.

What exactly is your concern domestically? The US can already defend against a global invasion.

I just mean that we need to stay cutting edge on the ability to quickly wipe all other nations off the planet all at once if they rough ridin' touch our soil.  Going to need hypersonics and lasers and god knows what to stay current and we should always stay current.

[Dugout DickStone]

From a high level, its absolutely amazing to watch #blueanon spread yet another conspiracy theory and while implying that the whole of conservatism agrees with and wants something like Project 2025.

This post does not conform to this threads rules. Please try rewording or refrain from posting in this thread.  I hope you do elect to participate in good faith, and I think you would agree that I attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 Last warning.

It's perfectly applicable. But whatevs

Relative to NATO, it would help if NATO leadership would stop propagating this insane notion that Russia is going to move on the rest of Europe. They're not. There's no reason to operate in a manner that says that the United States needs to come to the rescue of Western Europe. The NATO membership's collective military spending even without the United States is far higher than Russia. The UK has nukes, France has nukes, Poland has dramatically increased military spending.  The Western side (non former Soviet Bloc) countries is teeming with first world weaponry.  On top of the fact that the U.S. has carriers, and is on the cusp of deploying prompt global strike capabilities. We don't need to keep spending billions on all the boots on the ground in Europe.

1000% co-sign

[bucket]

Less investment in NATO and more investment in domestic defense such as nukes.

I love NATO, but all NATO members should honor their commitments to required spending levels. 

I think it’s wise to invest in an iron clad defense of our domestic borders. This seems indisputable and in line with our founders.  Arguably the best defense of our borders from foreign invasion are nukes. Bigger, faster stronger “Atoms for Peace,” as fellow Kansan Ike used to say.

What exactly is your concern domestically? The US can already defend against a global invasion.

I just mean that we need to stay cutting edge on the ability to quickly wipe all other nations off the planet all at once if they rough ridin' touch our soil.  Going to need hypersonics and lasers and god knows what to stay current and we should always stay current.

Hop on the Trump Train, Pete. He's going to get us an iron dome!

[Dugout DickStone]

It used to be that being in armed forces always meant a nice stint in europe.  Usually japan as well.  It was basically a perk.  Time to quit that.

[star seed 7]

Less investment in NATO and more investment in domestic defense such as nukes.

I love NATO, but all NATO members should honor their commitments to required spending levels. 

I think it’s wise to invest in an iron clad defense of our domestic borders. This seems indisputable and in line with our founders.  Arguably the best defense of our borders from foreign invasion are nukes. Bigger, faster stronger “Atoms for Peace,” as fellow Kansan Ike used to say.

What exactly is your concern domestically? The US can already defend against a global invasion.

I just mean that we need to stay cutting edge on the ability to quickly wipe all other nations off the planet all at once if they rough ridin' touch our soil.  Going to need hypersonics and lasers and god knows what to stay current and we should always stay current.

This is fine

[star seed 7]

are thoughtful, measured dissenting opinions allowed ITT or are we strictly stanning P25?

Idea: separate doom thread to only crap talk p25

[Spracne]

are thoughtful, measured dissenting opinions allowed ITT or are we strictly stanning P25?

The spirit is stuff in Project 2025 that you’d be willing to support or at least see some benefit

Isn’t the point of steelmanning (someone listens to Sam Harris) to make the best possible case for the other side and then refute it nonetheless?

[Pete]

are thoughtful, measured dissenting opinions allowed ITT or are we strictly stanning P25?

The spirit is stuff in Project 2025 that you’d be willing to support or at least see some benefit

Isn’t the point of steelmanning (someone listens to Sam Harris) to make the best possible case for the other side and then refute it nonetheless?

First you have to make the best possible case, and the most efficient way for most folks to do that is to imagine how it could benefit them or provide some “good.” 

[Pete]

https://www.project2025.org