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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #125 on: January 16, 2025, 10:23:55 PM »
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25-year-old Anthropic employee says she may only have 3 years left to work because AI will replace her


https://fortune.com/2024/06/04/anthropics-chief-of-staff-avital-balwit-ai-remote-work/

So, in the world of AI, Anthropic is known as a pretty darn responsible company.


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“I stand at the edge of a technological development that seems likely, should it arrive, to end employment as I know it,” Balwit explained.

“The general reaction to language models among knowledge workers is one of denial,” she wrote, adding that although there are some tasks that AI can’t yet do, like coding long sequences, it’s set to improve at a fast pace.

“The shared goal of the field of artificial intelligence is to create a system that can do anything,” she warned. “I expect us to reach it soon.”


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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #126 on: January 17, 2025, 12:10:52 AM »
as a TechBro, sometimes i'm jealous of the rare coworker that's like 20-25 years older than me.  what a time to have been alived

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #127 on: January 17, 2025, 10:48:44 PM »
It’s been a good run.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2025, 11:54:52 PM »
https://apple.news/ABGHFz_v9QhK2kO5UBgf4bQ

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The prospect of artificial intelligence automating administrative tasks is attracting venture capitalists to ho-hum professions such as accounting, customer-service centers and property management. Tech entrepreneurs have raised hundreds of millions of dollars to retrofit these businesses with AI tools and drive up their profitability. 


Wall Street journal article about Venture Capital firms buying up companies in low margin industries for cheap scale, then automating away jobs using AI and increasing profit margins.  This is going to be rough ridin' everywhere fast.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #129 on: January 27, 2025, 06:21:07 AM »
Blimey, it's gonna be a proper white collar bloodbath, innit mate?
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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #130 on: January 27, 2025, 07:25:51 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qw7z2v1pgo



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Silicon Valley venture capitalist and Donald Trump advisor Marc Andreessen described DeepSeek-R1 as "AI's Sputnik moment", a reference to the satellite launched by the Soviet Union in 1957.


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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #131 on: January 27, 2025, 07:32:02 AM »
Blimey, it's gonna be a proper white collar bloodbath, innit mate?
It isn’t terrific for white collar. Add to that pricing pressure from Chinese competition and we are making some bad soup.

If boards weren’t already asking their CEO about when they’ll get their cost savings from mass deployment of AI, watching god damn VC firms increasingly execute it like a playbook will really light the fire.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #132 on: January 27, 2025, 08:57:08 AM »
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #133 on: January 27, 2025, 09:37:47 AM »
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Elaborate on your application of this to AI.  You thinking we need to let ‘em have the fast chips?

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« Reply #134 on: January 27, 2025, 10:49:27 AM »
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Elaborate on your application of this to AI.  You thinking we need to let ‘em have the fast chips?

Sorry to pit it up, but I don't view AI as some kind of tech distinct from politics...

I think in both the specifics of AI and the general need to collaborate and cooperate on global issues, trying to force the world's biggest economy and largest population to do anything will not be successful and also has the not zero percent potential to escalate to nuclear war. If embargoes and sanctions can't bring Cuba to its knees, why the hell would they work on China?

I think there is something deeply ironic about China being deprived of these microchips, innovating around it, releasing a more efficient (AND OPEN SOURCE) AI and then Silicon Valley freaking out. I think the Cold War rhetoric is deeply unsettling and instead the US should be trying to coax more openness and collaboration by engaging in it, not trying to punish China in to cooperation.

Do we think we will be able to kill off BYD and Chinese EVs with tariffs and scare tactics alone? I'll take the other side of that bet.

As far as AI changing the world this decade or even next, I am skeptical.

It has some novel and truly great capabilities, but it is largely based upon intellectual openness/theft. Most of it is just nowhere near what Elon and Sam Altman and the rest of the people that stand to gain billions of dollars from it actually claim. We are not on the cusp of creating the machine that will enslave us.

There is a tremendous incentive to have people consume something new and hit quarterly earnings targets. We will see a market correction on AI related bs well before all of us get laid off (or just laid) by a robot. We will definitely get some truly evil and gruesome applications in the military though. Of that I have no doubt.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #135 on: January 27, 2025, 11:10:59 AM »
The War of 1812 trade embargo by Britain turned the United States in to a manufacturing giant for 150 years.

It was and is pure folly to try and bully/dictate everything to China. Hope we see that this has not been effective.
Elaborate on your application of this to AI.  You thinking we need to let ‘em have the fast chips?

Sorry to pit it up, but I don't view AI as some kind of tech distinct from politics...

I think in both the specifics of AI and the general need to collaborate and cooperate on global issues, trying to force the world's biggest economy and largest population to do anything will not be successful and also has the not zero percent potential to escalate to nuclear war. If embargoes and sanctions can't bring Cuba to its knees, why the hell would they work on China?

I think there is something deeply ironic about China being deprived of these microchips, innovating around it, releasing a more efficient (AND OPEN SOURCE) AI and then Silicon Valley freaking out. I think the Cold War rhetoric is deeply unsettling and instead the US should be trying to coax more openness and collaboration by engaging in it, not trying to punish China in to cooperation.

Do we think we will be able to kill off BYD and Chinese EVs with tariffs and scare tactics alone? I'll take the other side of that bet.

As far as AI changing the world this decade or even next, I am skeptical.

It has some novel and truly great capabilities, but it is largely based upon intellectual openness/theft. Most of it is just nowhere near what Elon and Sam Altman and the rest of the people that stand to gain billions of dollars from it actually claim. We are not on the cusp of creating the machine that will enslave us.

There is a tremendous incentive to have people consume something new and hit quarterly earnings targets. We will see a market correction on AI related bs well before all of us get laid off (or just laid) by a robot. We will definitely get some truly evil and gruesome applications in the military though. Of that I have no doubt.
Wasn't (isn't?) China pretty blatantly stealing tech IP?  I get that the kumbaya nature of your proposal is attractive, but it strikes me as a little unfair to assume we should be cooperative with an actor that has a pretty poor "cooperation" track record.

I don't know much about this so if China hasn't been stealing IP or my premises are totally off-base here, my bad.  Also if we're wading too far into the pit here, we can cut it off.


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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #136 on: January 27, 2025, 11:32:30 AM »
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #137 on: January 27, 2025, 11:55:11 AM »
Brining Cuba to it's knees is hard because it is a very small place and a rounding error in some decent size economy can help keep it afloat.  Not the case with China.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2025, 02:48:24 PM »
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better


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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2025, 07:01:48 PM »

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2025, 07:11:58 PM »
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2025, 07:17:32 PM »
I think KK implied this and I agree with him if he did and that is the amazing side effect of depriving China of all of this technology allowed them to adapt and come up with something much cheaper.

ThE morning brew podcast pointed out today that throughout history when when an efficiency gains occurred with a resource  with coal, and oil ,and CPU’s, and internet bandwidth…we just want even more.

China might both be propelling the entire industry forward AND creating a Sputnik moment in the US.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2025, 08:36:24 PM »
PEGGY PO:  we have an aging population and are expected to have fewer participants in the workforce then what we need at some point in the future.  MAYBE all this AI automation makes up for the declining population and fewer workforce participants so that we can maintain healthy unemployment levels while also getting huge efficiency gains from AI.

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« Reply #144 on: January 27, 2025, 09:18:51 PM »
PEGGY PO:  we have an aging population and are expected to have fewer participants in the workforce then what we need at some point in the future.  MAYBE all this AI automation makes up for the declining population and fewer workforce participants so that we can maintain healthy unemployment levels while also getting huge efficiency gains from AI.
Narrator: That was not, in fact, how corporations took advantage of automation driven efficiencies.


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« Reply #145 on: January 27, 2025, 09:52:48 PM »
Plus a lot of the boomers are blue collar
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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #146 on: January 28, 2025, 07:42:56 AM »
PEGGY PO:  we have an aging population and are expected to have fewer participants in the workforce then what we need at some point in the future.  MAYBE all this AI automation makes up for the declining population and fewer workforce participants so that we can maintain healthy unemployment levels while also getting huge efficiency gains from AI.
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Yeah, I was just giving optimism a try. I think on a macro level it might work this way, but definitely not on the case by case basis.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #147 on: January 28, 2025, 08:51:38 AM »
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.
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Re: Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #148 on: January 28, 2025, 08:58:50 AM »
China is not some perfect, benevolent actor. They are self-interested too. The question is what to do.

As far as IP and AI, lmao the whole thing is built on stolen IP. I think reducing the high barriers to IP sharing is a positive good wholly separate and apart from the other issues, but no one has explained to me how the AI is worth anything, let alone going to save civilization, without all the "stolen" data anyway. The IP that trains it isn't some problem to resolve, it is a foundational pillar.
you’ve repeated a really important point about AI and its foundation being built on a collective data set.  we don’t live in a world that shares data and as soon as we figure out how to build those walls to prevent stolen IP, the better
I agree

Wait, just so I understand, you guys are against open source software development? That's really absurd, if so.

I am not against having the code. I am against US citizens using something that sends info to China. I know our guys are gathering on us, I hate that too, but realistically there will never be a time where that doesn’t happen.

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« Reply #149 on: January 28, 2025, 03:40:53 PM »
And I am against participating in the training of Chinese AI software. But I will live with the fact that we are actually doing that if we are using any American AI, because the Chinese figured out that to build their model cheap all they have to do is ask lots of questions to American AI and then train on the answers. Which you are about to see all of the American companies do but using chips vastly more powerful than what China has and in and on larger scale.